.357 Mag VS 45 ACP+P Liberty Civil Defense WOW 💣 

357 should be faster than 9mm in my book as well! :) thanks!

"There is no bologna anywhere, 'cept on me." 🤣🤣

Impressive 45 acp load. But in 357 magnum, I would choose the old 125 Sjhp remington/federal load any day. That load made by Liberty lacks of penetration. Thanks.

That was a very impressive presentation. I want some of that. Thanks again for your hard work.

Awsome video!! Thank you for testing this stuff! I’m not sold on the 357 but wow that 45!

Thanks Sam. That's incredible velocities out of both, maybe the fastest I'm seen from handguns. Maybe the forcing of the particle board/ plywood into the first jug limited bullet penetration.

I want a round that consistently reads 1776 through a chronograph....from all barrel lengths.

Sam that was an awesome great amazing test my friend 👏👏, keep them coming

Of all the "professional testing" it seems I come back to you time and time again for your wisdom

It may not have met FBI protocols, but OMG can you imagine the wound channel, after seeing those bologna packs?!

Another helpful review. Seems like another novelty product to me. A little off topic but it might be interesting to paint a visible measurement scale down the length of your ballistics target. It could help stream line your test introduction.

Excellent test. RE: defensive rounds, I like 3" barrels which are obviously limiting. I just bought some 50 grin Liberty ammo and some Fort Scott Munitions 357 MAGNUM 125 Grain for a Colt King Cobra which I got because I like its feel and balance and trigger and compactness. But I went into the store to get a 3" S&W 44 magnum and after watching this I'm sorry I didn't. G2 R.I.P. ammo looks interesting and I can't find Glazer anywhere. I like 357 magnum, and these days I target shoot more with revolvers when for decades it was always semis. Usually, with 357 magnum, I like 125 grain SJHP and even more so the 158 grain SJHP. Those are surely powerful but also overpenetrating for "safe" defensive shooting. There is such a big product choice thee days, combined with huge production shortages, so you get the added pleasure of combining confusion with frustration. Too, all these rounds make astounding promises. It looks like the Liberty 45 does just what it's supposed to do, and so it looks like I'll just buy another 44 magnum. I find it hard to be brief, but I'd like to ask, with 357 magnum with a 3" barrel, what ammo would you favor for defense, in the event you win the "bad lottery", which happily has never occurred to me.

This is why I carry Liberty in my HK45C. There is no need for 12-16" of penetration when the first 9" of someone is missing.

They need to change the name to Bologna Grenade lol

This clip is a bunch of bologna............literally!

Interesting. Glad you brought up the point about the decibels. Otherwise I would have thought it a perfect home defense round. Still an interesting concept.

A very good video sir. Doesn't beat traditional ammo, but would be very devastating to anyone.

These bullets are not about penetration but rather energy dumping at the point of entry, which they fragment and the impact gives damaging results. Not for hunting or deep penetration, I think that's what you have to realise before buying these bullets.

They seem like they would be good for varmints. But you would be better served using any other bullet in a self defense situation. As always great video!

Good video. Nice test and nice test setup. Take care.

Thanks for the bullet testing

Nosler has been putting out some 9, 40, and 45 offerings in their “match handgun” line. 50 count boxes on midway for around 50 cents a pop. Might turn out to be very affordable carry ammo if velocities and expansion are where they need to be. Great video!

The bullets are more faster, they have less recoil and they explode the inside of a target without armor and dont over penetrate but 1 bullet is enough to take down. Very good round. Thats the purpose of them

Would love to have both for my carabines . 20 inch 357 and a 17.5 45 acp . Would be cool .

The horrors of the bologna massacre! Great video and test.

These loadings going off indoors would crack your wisdom teeth... Like a rifle indoors. A 12 Gauge shotgun 6 lanes away in an indoor range wearing double hearing protection gives you a sense of the concusion energy involved in shooting indoors... Been there done that. The report from these loading in house sized rooms would be horrible.

This ammo seems to be able to penetrate IIIA Body armor and below as well as dumping all of its energy into a single target and preventing over penetration.

I "rediscovered" your site recently after my old computer gave up the ghost. I have shot the Liberty Civil Defense 9mm, 45acp, 38Special and 357Magnum. They all scream out of whatever firearm I used. The 78gr 45acp was my favorite round. Much like the 22TCM from a 5" 1911 virtually none of them generated much recoil. I recently tried to buy some from the manufacturer but was told that they don't ship to Illinois. I wonder how I bought some in an Illinois gun store.

That is some impressive Oscar Mayer destruction from the .45 and good trigger control over the chronograph nice shooting Sam.

Very impressive shallow wound possibilities for the 45 from a long barrel. But with lack of penetration and the fact that my 45 is a S&W performance center shield, I doubt it would be a round that I would use. I wasn't able to afford the S&W 686 that I wanted, even if this round had performed better in it. Awesome video though. I really appreciate your work. 😎👍

Just discovered this ammo about a year ago. Have done some testing with my chronograph. .9mm with various barrel lengths. When shooting through 2 different.9mm carbine’s with 16” barrel I was getting 2460-2511 FPS.

Back when I was an armed security officer I carried the 9mm CorBon 90 grain +P+ and it was only rated at 1,500 fps. My daily carry was CorBon DPX 115 grain +P but now if I carry a 9mm I usually use Hornaday Critical Duty 135 grain +P. This ammo is crazy fast especially for .45 Lol... Thanks for the upload!!! #StaySafe & #StayBlessed 😎👍 #10mmIsKing 👑 #Lol 👊😂

complete waste in 357. would be much better off with any regular round, hp or not

He doesn't stand for bologna.

I wouldn't hesitate to carry either one of these loads!

Out of all the ammo and calibers you have tested thrugh time what would be your pick of caliber and ammo for a home defence would you use ?

Maybe Buffalo Bore ought to load that .357 Liberty.

This ammo is to not go thru and hit someone else with over penetration it dumps all in first 7" with a 14" shock round shock wave and a 5" round and 7" deep wound cavity plus 12" of 1" wound channel and the 14" round shock wave damage is hard to fix so this is a good ammo for home or store defense.

Would be nice to see the 357 mag crack 2200 fps. From what I understand 2200 and beyond is where rifle cartridges start to do their best work. Great job as usual! Keep'em coming!

Good watermelon rounds... for sure. A head shot with either would not be pretty. It does show that those two guns are too big to conceal and carry, but as your nightstand gun it may be effective and perhaps not go through dry wall.As long as Federal keeps making the 45acp HST I am not tempted to change.

Good video. I wonder how they perform at greater distance.

Keep doing what you're doing, I would like to see the Jug-or-Not included in new videos sometimes.

I think the energy that this ammo bring to the table in semi auto calibers is great. However something isn't right when the 45 acp and 9mm beat a 357 magnum with the same ammo and barrel length. While the energy in semi autos is impressive though, my issue is the apparent lack of penetration. Maybe they could use a harder copper alloy to delay the fragmentation just enough to gain few extra inches of penetration. If that's at all possible, I don't know. I don't build bullets, I just shoot them. However on a side note. My uncle carries this ammo in his glock 19. Not because of the energy, but because they make the gun noticeably lighter with a fully loaded magazine.

Both great calibers 45acp is one of the most versatile for reloading ;)

I see a lot of comments about penetration but the round is made to not over penetrate. They will blow through hard objects but once it hits wet or soft tissue then it gives up the ghost!!

Cool stuff man! :-)

hey man ,do not listen to the naysayers, i learn a lot from you, and enjoy all of your videos. i love the technical stuff, i am a scientist!

Great video. I've never seen these before.

That 0.45 ACP did very well. It is a low penetration round, but explosive impact.

I just bought some of the 45 ACP, and intend to use it in my FNX-45 (5.3" barrel), and plan on having one round chambered, and one at the top of its 15 round mag, followed by deeper penetrating (but a lot slower @ 1080FPS and with only a slightly lower 518 FPE) Speer Gold Dots +P 200 Grain JHP. That way, the first 2 shots will have caught the intruder's attention, and the Gold Dots will make sure he's taught a lesson to stay out of my home until he's invited. And recoil with both rounds should be quite manageable, which is always a concern.

The 45acp would probably be great for home defense but is it a lot louder than a normal 230 grain cartridge?

Some would say that this is super shallow penetration... I'm more of the opinion that if this was say a shot to the gut, or lungs... You'd be in serious trouble. One main benefit not often talked about is the light felt recoil, keeps muzzle rise down for rapid follow up shots. I've got some of this stuff in .45 Colt, in a 6 inch barrel it's similar to that .45 ACP load. In an 18 inch barrel, it picks up some on the core's penetration and over velocity which makes that initial wound much larger.

Nice tests, as always. Seems like one of the selling points for copper bullets is the "barrier blindness" aspect. My concern is that a typical barrier would suck up the energy from these rounds upon initial impact; since they are so light. In other words, you'd destroy the windshield and then not have any energy left to stop the person; or you'd throw a big hole in the outer steel of a car door and then skin somebody's knee with what's left of the bullet, if the bullet were to even go that far. When it comes to 45 ACP, I usually carry about 152 grains heavier and call it a day. Federal Law Enforcement ammo (tactical bonded 230 grain in +p) is a great expander. When it comes to lighter copper projectiles, I really like the solid copper Lehigh Defense rounds in the x-treme series (defender and penetrator). While the results look impressive in a simulated environment, I would not be convinced to change to Liberty's Civil Defense based on those tests. For 357, I'd just hand-load some Rim Rock 158 grain, gas checked, SWC-JHPs with a BHN hardness of 5 and let them expand into massive mushroom caps. Sometimes, you just can't beat sticking with old school (I load those same Rim Rock rounds in 38 special with a .5cc scoop of Power Pistol equaling about 5.5 grains.....and I'm getting about 840 FPS out of my j frame model 638 that is always in my front pocket).

Awesome!

Can't say I'm impressed. I'd like to see it against regular hollowpoints on something meaty like a ham. I'm not convinced it would do much damage.

if anything Sam it's more of a bullet race vs one shot stops...but it does beat the super vel like it was standing still, thou penetration was minimal i bet the surface wounds would be horrendous and the shock to inter organs would cause massive puree of lungs kidneys, heart and liver even a head shot would be lights out for good. great video sam, i was able to book a reservation to a gun range up in the los gatos mountains saturday the 13th of june, so i can get my .32 cal range test finally under way, thanks 4 another great video.

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Just curious if that kind of velocity would be damaging in the long-term to handgun (45 ACP, for example) which is normally lucky to reach 1000fps. How did the recoil of 78gr 45ACP compare to standard ammo?

I am really confused and obviously missing something. you shoot a round with 1/3 the standard bullet weight. In the 45 it did what was expected. Make for a faster round. the 357 on the other hand we off by a couple hundred feet per second vs a standard weight round (157 grn) which means, of course, that the bullet energy is lower. Why would you ever load a 50 grn bullet into a 357 if it is going to produce less velocity? Why are these so loud when they seem to be using a lighter charge? Why is everyone so high on this round? Please educate me.

Thanks for a fun vid. Downsized from a Colt1911 to a Ruger .357. With .38s, much easier on these old hands. Stay safe-Be Well Everyone!

No Baloney! This is a good video. You can destroy the guts of a fat person who is a fat bad guy.

I think this ammunition wasn't totally great, it was okay but it was more along the lines of Liberty Biberty.

I have not seen the video yet I have used the old bat copper bullets .. I am like Paul Harrel .. old school , I like basic HP the 45 acp Ranger T is one of the best of them .

You had me at bologna! 🤘

I hit comment too quick. My 686+ Talo has a 5" barrel.

Raccoons hear the shots: "Boys, we're having shredded baloney for dinner tonight!"

I love the 45acp!

Not at th4e end yet, but I keep expecting for you to say "Oh wait - those bullet sizes were wrong!" 50grn 357? 45 ACP 78 grn? really? There us not a 1 missing in front of both of those?

“There is a lot of bologna up there” - you figure it out

I'd love to see you test the G2 Research Civic Duty 10mm ammo if you can get your hands on some

Those 45s are puting out 7.5inch ar15 556 energies thats crazy so a 25 round mag in your pistol is almost better than a whole pistol ar15

Love this vids

Wow. For busting water jugs, that stuff is clearly a winner. I wouldn't use it for self defense myself. They could get more penetration by redesigning the hollow points to have slightly thicker walls and increased bullet mass. They could always score the walls if they are afraid they won't get any expansion. Not to the extent of the R.I.P. round though. That thing is also kinda useless, IMO.

I think Liberty CD is awesome in traditionally lower velocities( .38spl, 45acp, 380acp,ect.) In magnum loads though, performance is marginal simply because the magnum is already pushing a traditional weight bullet at high velocity. The trick with this ammo is immediate energy dump. I would imagine it would look like a bomb went off inside the thoracic cavity of the unfortunate recipient. Check out Paul Harrell shooting the meat target with 9mm.

Do you have a video of the 357 Liberty Civil defense in short barrel?

I'll bet the local raccoon population absolutely loves your ballistic gel alternative.

Are you still going to test the winchester ranger?

Would love to try those rounds in my carbine's . 20 inch Rossi 92 in 357 . And a 17.5 inch Hi Point 4595 in 45 ACP .

If you start using ballistic gel with maybe a rack of ribs in front in these videos instead of bologna i think it would make for a better watch, just my opinion. think it would definitely pull some more subscribers

Favorite bologna used to be “fried”, need to update that to “shot”.

This ammunition was improperly named and marketed. It should be called "Varmint Grenade - Pest control". I think for personal defense, it would turn the first 3-4" of flesh into splatter and leave the rib cage exposed with fully functional organs beneath. hahaha

It would be great to see 2 pork shoulders with bone. Looks like a one shot stop

I don't think I would use either. Not enough penetration....9", and that's gel not human. Most people think 9" of penetration in gel is the same as 9" in a human, it's not. Those light weight bullet high velocity rounds never seem to penetrate enough. Great presentation by you though.

Looks like they would removed a knee cap

Anyone having problems manually cycling the .45 ACP version of this ammo through their .45's? It does nothing but jam in both my FNX-45 and Colt 1911. They aren't being fully extracted, and it would appear that possibly the fact that each case's bottom is 0.1mm narrower in diameter than my Federal or Gold Dot ammo (which cycles just fine) might be screwing up the ejection.

It's a interesting load, I don't think a human would advance any further or be getting up after being hit with it. Over penetration most likely wouldn't be a issue. Most bodies are not much thicker than a foot. Thanks

no belloni except on me" that's what rick would say in twd

All it needs is a tougher made bullet at the same speed.

Not impressed, I will continue to use more traditional ammo, specially in 357 Mag. At today's ammo prices, gimmicks are not in my budget.

The rating for the 45acp was a G21 4.6" barrel

Devastating on the surface, but I think a good Gold Dot is better all around.

Maybe if you were an Air Marshal and were worried about decompression. Not for me.

Penetration is good but 6 to 10 inches of penetration is destroying any human being. You don't need 16 inches to pierce a lung or heart. The way these rounds dump all of the energy into the target would be catastrophic. The only time these might not get the job done is if someone was behind sufficient cover. Apparently all of the civil defense ammo defeats soft 3a armor.

Is this a repost? I feel like I’ve seen this. Anyway, thanks for making this!

People - it doesn’t penetrate like regular ammo. “Capable of penetrating 3a armor “ People - but not much damage after it goes through

You lost me on the barrel lengths. 5.3 is longer to than 4.

Played around with some reloads today and found a really accurate load with hornady 125xtp with 7.6gr Unique in 357mag cases that would be better than what you just used. The lyman 47th book shows these loads to produce 1072fps with 24000cup out of a 4in barrel. They have very little recoil and sounds are that of a 38spl.

Surprised at the low velocity for a .357 given the 9mm 50gr makes 1900 out of A G19

I bet the rats love the minced bologna.

These rounds tested in actual gel is pretty impressive…I use the 9mm for home defense…I shot a 350 pound hog with it and it dropped instantly with its lungs turned to hamburger