PRICING UPDATE: It's been brought to my attention that some of my pricing for out-of-warranty repairs are outdated values. The values I quoted were from forum posts that are likely older, and as more shops begin offering repair services for EVs, pricing will fluctuate and fall over time. So here are some general prices one might pay (in 2021) to replace the following: Door handle: $150-$540 (with a third party shop being on the lower end, and Tesla direct replacement on the higher end) Battery pack: $15,000-$20,000 (where a single module replacement may cost $5,000) Drive unit: $7,000-$9,000 (or have it rebuilt for ~$4,000) MCU: $1,500 (add $500 for older models to retain AM/FM radio) Let me know if you agree with these prices! I can update or add to this list as needed with more feedback. It can serve as a good source for future buyers. Thanks!
I upgraded my MCU on my 2015 model s. The new MCU is much quicker and includes a lot of new features likes games/ Netflix/ Disney +. It was 1500. The door handle replacement was a tad over 300 from Tesla.
@@mattglenn6224 good to know! When you upgraded the MCU, were you able to keep AM/FM radio, or is that still $500 extra for an updated antenna and adapter?
2015 Model S 70D here with 221k miles. Original battery and drive trains. Original screens. Tesla says battery health is very good. Charges fully to 230. Original was 240 new. Flawless car
Being an engineer agreed they engineered so well to last they make a fantastic long term second-hand purchase without reason..Like any car all the parts in the video can be bought at a fraction of the price .. and then find a local garage to fit level or do it yourself.. this really is the best second-hand high mileage car you can buy in the world
@@gregchristie2763 the battery chemistry is a mystery cant see shit all you can do it whatever the computer tells you whatever the status is. Cant trust them thats why i m not going to switch to ev.
Decent for an American car. American cars I keep for 200k and they still run fine. Now a well maintained Toyota or Honda.. double that. But I remember a time where 100k was the end for most cars. And electric cars are still new technology. So given that 250k is impressive.
@@micker9830 - Math challenged much? The average ICE vehicle gets 27 mpg and will need 9,300 gallons of gas to reach the same lifetime in miles. At $3.50/gallon that's nearly $32,500 for fuel alone not to mention oil changes, more frequent brake jobs and other routine maintenance. All together the average ICE will easily cost you over $40,000 to get to 250,000 miles. Throw in an engine rebuild and your well over $45,000. The EV would need about 62,500 kWh of juice which costs about $8750 in my state, $0.14/kWh (although many Tesla owners have free charging for life). A Model 3 battery warranty for the 75kWh version is 8 years and 120,000 miles. Replacement cost is about $13,000.
@@samkelo27 - Just don't park next to a gasoline vehicle or especially a Hybrid. According to the most recent insurance industry study gasoline vehicles and especially hybrid vehicle are statistically FAR more likely to catch fire. Google is your friend: "gas-vs-electric-car-fires"
Also, with door handles replacements that used to be $1200 a pop are now $160 rebuild guts kit. Ranger came to my shop last week and did two in like 1.5 hour. Snip, snap, snip. #rEVolution
I updated the door handle pricing in the pinned comment. Unfortunately, in my research, I had found outdated sources for prices, thus the $1000 quote. It's great that the prices have come down so much over the years
Hey any more info on this? My door handle stopped working on the driver side. Where can I purchase the kit and or have someone come by? Tesla still prices it at 1000+.
Nice video and I haven't read every comment but just wanted to add I did the MCU upgrade on my 2015 Model S for $1600 and they replaced not only the tablet but the dashboard screen as well along with all the other components. One month ago someone tried to use a flat piece of metal to break into my car and broke both door handle mechanisms on the driver's side. Tesla came to my house and replaced them both in about an hour and a half for I think about $238 each. Mostly I'm just going to keep driving it until the Cybertruck comes out.
Almost 50K miles on my Model Y and all I’ve done is swapped tires, wiper blades and added washer fluid. I charge to 90% daily and (safely) floor it when I want. If I can make it through 100k with nothing else to do, I don’t know if I could go back to ICE. At this point in my life, I don’t care about the “soul” of the car, I want a stress free + simple life lol 🥴
I’ve owned four Tesla Model S’ with 200k, 180k, 65k and now 130k miles on her. It’s door handles and suspension bushings! Otherwise near perfect in an imperfect world. #rEVolution
I’ve had my 70D for over 3 years now. Changed all 4 door handles. Now I have Gen3 handles all good. I also replaced the 12v battery. Perfect car. I love it and free supercharging for life and zero Road tax and zero ULEZ and congestion charge.
High mileage EVs. A performance petrol car over 425k miles would produce nearly 200 tons of CO2 just from the tailpipe! (Manufacturing a new EV is around 10-20 tons)
@@HighMileageReviews I hope Tesla sticks around because Elon is under constant attack for not being a liberal and I'm sure the other car companies would love to see him go. The price of Tesla Stocks isn't looking great.
I own a 15 s 70D. Battery replaced under warranty at 160k currently at 177k! After the new pack it charges way faster and I still keep the free supercharging! Love this car.
So many comments from Tesla fanboys who are mad that he was "negative" about "their" car. He's just listing what was replaced, he does this for all his high mileage reviews.
I don’t understand how people can be mad about this review lmao. Car went 250k miles on a battery before needing a replacement while being abused on superchargers and etc. All things considered especially taking into account this has older tech the car performed honestly a lot better than most other ICE and EVs could’ve.
door handles are $200 to replace at tesla. ive had 2 done. thats nothing compared to money ive saved on gas having free supercharging for life. my gas costs ranged from $440-670 / month so an occasional door handle failure is not too bad relative to cost of ownership
I just always like to add that for most people, you'll be charging at home so forget about sitting at a super charger. If you can't charge at home really think about your use case. Unless you live in a city where you can either charge at work or due to being in the city only need to travel a few miles but are sitting in traffic then an EV might make sense. I live outside of the city and commute 55+ miles one way to work nearly everyday. I have 35k miles on my 2022 Model Y and havne't need to replace the tires yet (will need to soon but if I rotated more often I think I could get to 50k)
Door handles haven't cost $1,000 to replace in years. They are now (Dec 2021)$540 ask me how I know...... Also new MCUs are $1,500. A new DU is not $15,000, it is as of 2021 $7,000. I had my DU replaced under warranty and I asked what the cost would have been otherwise. It seems strange that you have all this history yet don't have actually service records to quote exact prices. Additionally, any service record listing items being replaced, would also list "Customer Concern". In other words what they experienced that lead to the said part being replaced. Yet you said there were no reasons given for both the battery or DU replacement. If you are going to pass of your review as factual and want people to respect it, double check your dollar figures and facts.
Thanks for the pricing update! Most of the pricing I quoted was from forum research that I now see was outdated. It was difficult to find exact pricing since most vehicles are still serviced under warranty. And for clarification, I agree, MCU price is $1500, however, and correct me if I'm wrong, I had read that it's an additional $500 to keep AM/FM radio on older models like this one if it's upgraded to MCU2, thus the $2000 I mentioned. The service history for this vehicle was not received when purchased, it was discovered through a VIN search, which only allowed the current owner to see the last three years of service, with no detailed receipts or paperwork unfortunately. Since the current owner is an EV mechanic, those were his best guesses as to why those items needed replacing. It's good to know that prices are falling for these types of repairs though. A good sign for anyone looking to buy used
Been looking forward to this, the video looks great! Unfortunately, just yesterday door handle #8 failed, so it looks like I'll have to pull that apart here in a few days when I get the parts in... 🤦♂️
I just got a quote from Tesla for my handle and it will be 300 bucks for a complete handle and mechanism replacement. The new mechanism looks like a much better design.
A refurb full battery is 13k installed. Just went through that. A new 90k battery is 19k and they software limit to my 60kw battery. (But not correctly, still working on that)
No discussion was add on the COST COMPARISON, if they drove a comparable ICE vehicle.....the numbers would be staggering, especially considering Tesla honored the warranty on many issues.
Very true! As this video just focuses on this car in particular, I normally don't seek to draw comparisons between cars. That's what the other videos on the channel are for! You can see how others cars of similar mileage hold up and how much they may cost. *Hint: you're right. ICE can be just as expensive if not more*
@@benc1927 You're probably right about that, and their warranty probably wouldn't be as generous lol kudos to Tesla for replacing all those things at no cost to the owners
Have 50k on my plaid nothing yet it’s fantastic and beats everything and gets me home quick !! Just think a sedan that’s faster than a Bugatti on highway in rush hour !! It’s best feeling ever !
They sure did get their money's worth out of that 8 year unlimited mile battery warranty. They probably supercharged the bjeavers out of it on free supercharging too. Early adopters got the best deal.
Are all reviews this negative? 475k miles is a huge accomplishment for any car. For the first generation of a brand new car to make it to nearly half a million miles is awesome
I never said it wasn't an accomplishment. All my reviews will poke fun at poor design choices made by the manufacturers, and credit them for the good ones. If the car is a rust bucket, I point it out. If the transmission is prone to exploding after 30,000 miles, I make fun of it. If the door handles are as strong as papier-mâché, well you get the point.
I agree Brian. Who owns a car that's working with over 400K miles? And the cost of gas and maintenance would cost more than all the Tesla repairs combined.
Tesla could save themselves a lot of problems by making things simpler. Instead of fancy door handles they could simple door handles. Maybe a little less aero but reliable.
... Your price adjustments are getting closer.. but it can be done a lot cheaper.. if you want to.. eg.. brand new set of aftermarket tyres and wheels just like for my Honda Accord.. or any other car for that matter..$700.. replacement door handle kit upgrade for paddle gear failure $10 eBay.. I mean should I go on.. complete second-hand warranted battery for $8, 000.. individual modules for under $1, 000.. all the other stuff you mentioned suspension and links bushes whatever all the same price as any ice car.. Anything can always be done cheaper... Remember this.!! I'm just wondering what ice engine costs .. not that much second hand I guess depending on what it is.. but what ice engine does 250,00 miles.. maybe some diesels.. but without any maintenance ? .. but anyway thanks for your video.. I suggest just explain the dealer prices next time.. other options.. and then the cheapest method of doing it.. all four comparison purposes... that would be very interesting.. Oh yes n we still have that ridiculous torque..😊
There were less options two years ago for diy or third party repairs, so prices were higher on average when I made this video. But yes, they are falling now
I'm sorry but there aren't many cars I know that pass 400k miles. Scant, scant few. Maybe the odd Diesel long haul saloon from the 90s but that's about it. Getting to 250k miles before requiring serious services is fantastic.
So since it's a model S, it would have come with the free supercharger access for life right? Assuming it spent it's life in California, and assuming an average fuel cost of $4/gallon and comparing to a reasonably fuel efficient 25mpg they have saved approx. $68,000 in fuel costs(17k gallons for anyone that wants to convert to their local fuel costs). That's not including things like oil changes, transmission flushes, diff changes that a vehicle with that kind of mileage would likely see. That certainly would take a bit of the sting out of some of the repairs. The door handles and screen issues are definitely a bit dumb though.
Yes, I do believe the older Teslas such as this one get free supercharging, which is superb especially for a Californian. Just about worth the price of admission alone!
Everywhere else in the world I wonder how much kw it used and price per kw over that time I still think hybrid wouldnt be to far away in savings and don't need to fork out loads of money to buy one which most people can't afford one yet
@@HighMileageReviews Would like 2 see a video of your opinion about Honda Civic/CRX/Accord of 1991. Had those cars those were some indestructable cars mate. Seen some with 300k + miles with no big issues a long the way.
I have a dilemma. In my country there is a p85d from 2013 with free Supercharger, premium package, winter , autopilot 1 , new battery,motor and suspension for roughly 24000 euros and 270000 km.And there is a model 3 long range with 220000 km , 2019 ,no warranty , autopilot enhanced for 27000. I have acess to Supercharger everyweek ( only once a week) . I make 45000 km/year , maximum per day roughly 300 km (once per month). What would you choose ? The more efficient and hitec model 3 or the FSUC model S?
With California’s high gas prices it makes EV’s an easy choice even with the possibility of out of warranty repairs…. Most cars don’t make it 150k at least around here roads and salt don’t help them any … shopping now for an EV on the fence new vs used see what happen (2018 model s 100d vs 2023 model y long range current choice)
If you'd been born about 120 years ago you'd have been writing, " that model T is okay, I suppose, but I'll think I'll stick to my horse. it produces fertiliser too.
I make it anywhere between €120k and €150k at European prices (Ireland). We currently pay about €2 per litre which works out as nearly ten bucks a gallon in US terms.
As of this post, 4 years and unlimited miles remaining on the motors and battery of my MS…….find a new ice that offers that. Driving a 17 MS100D….100k miles…interior, exterior and ride is indistinguishable from anything new rolling off the assembly line. Everything works, zero service
It depends. In this case, yes, it did transfer, since it's an earlier car which offered free supercharging "for the life of the vehicle". But it isn't always a guarantee even for earlier models like this. Apparently under certain circumstances, this perk can be stripped after sale to a new owner. It's best to just ask the dealership or owner you're buying from to see if you'll be transferred the perk
You can verify with Tesla by having them run the VIN. It generally stays with the vehicle even after sale, unless Tesla gets it. They remove it. I have free supercharging on my Tesla, and while it’s a nice perk, it’s not recommended for daily use. Even every other day use. Once a week at most. It’s a nice to have for road trips, but not something you rely on to drive around. I supercharge mine once a month or even less. Mostly charge at home in my garage.
@@HighMileageReviews I think they've switched over to only the new design, but I don't know for sure. They would have used up old stock by now, and it's in their own best interest to go with the new design. My door handle was extending just not unlatching so maybe that is a different repair. I doubt it had anything to do with the gears. Not sure if they replaced the whole thing or just a switch or wiring harness.
Great review. Very expensive to repair outside of any warranties. Impossible for most people who need a vehicle. literally everything was replaced. EV equals massive ungodly amounts of carbon let off to build and now we know massive amounts to maintain. Not to mention the toxic battery to attempt to recycle. Expensive and ultra dirty for the environment. I will pass and stick with a Toyota corolla or a lexus or litteraly any other quality modern combustion vehicle that will get easily 500k with much less in maintenance cost and extremely friendly on the environment.
Buying an old used car is certainly a lot better for the environment than buying any brand new car, but I can understand not everyone wants an old Corolla
Those prices are way out of date. These cars now cost way less to maintain. The batteries can be fixed for info $5000. That is about the cost of a full engine rebuild. And at the mileage this car has, an ICE vehicle will definitely need a rebuild.
I squeezed it in at the very end of the video. At 375,000 miles, new upper control arms, front lower fore links, front aft links, rear upper links, and Rear axles were all replaced.
@@HighMileageReviews Yep! Crazy how I found this video soon after I saw that video.! It's INSANE how a 2015 car already has over 400k let alone a Tesla which is an electric car!
Perhaps if you can find one cheap enough then it'd be worth it. Or if you could trade a car of the same price. Otherwise you'll never make your money back in gas savings
That's....pretty terrible for the condition of the car. I've seen 90s and 00s car have better interior condition than what was seen there., still passes' smog and well-cared cars will last 200k before any serious work needs to be done, all under $20k for sure..... All the more reason why going touch-screen is a very terrible decision. Even with an engine/transmission rebuild, that's going to be $6000 overall (conservative estimate in today's market). But hey 10:52 "at least you don't have to change the oil".
What surprised me most was the condition of non-mileage-related items like the touch screen and its delamination/malfunction, and the condensation in the tail lights. Those are things that might be expected to break with age, not mileage. I have to give credit though since the drivetrain and batteries did last quite a lot of miles and Tesla honored the warranty.
No issues that were reported to the current owner...the previous owner didn't provide a detailed service history. The repair history discussed in this video was discovered through a Carfax maintenance record, which don't always list everything
You could be right about that! And yes, I'm placing bets now that solid state batteries of the future will make all previous tech obsolete and worth pennies
Cars better start lasting 500k miles at least with how much they cost i could buy like a banging 10k car under 50k miles 3 years old 10 years ago todsy thats a chevy sonic thats got 30k miles an you might maybe make it to 50k miles before thousands un repairs
See my other videos. The car is the butt of the joke in all of them. I explain what's gone wrong, how frequently, and what it costs to fix. But I like to think I give credit where credit is due. In this case, things only started to get hairy after 250k miles, which is exceptional, and the warranty allowed for free repairs on nearly everything, which is even more exceptional. Overall, for your average driver, these Teslas will be very reliable vehicles for most of their lives
Wow this car would surpass the cost of fixing my 20 year old cars and the fact that the drive units needs replacing is hilarious. Less moving parts and yet they break while my cars has no signs of needing any repairs on the engine or gear box. These cars are greenwash as it would only encourage people to buy new cars as soon as the warranty goes
While I agree with your sentiment, it's not completely out-of-character to see high repair costs on a highly depreciated modern luxury car. It'd be unwise to buy most cars that MSRP around $100k and now only cost $20k and expect the maintenance costs of a 20k car.
Not necessarily the best test because most people don't put that many miles on a car in a short time. Time is a big killer of stuff. Many gas veicles would last a long time if they are mostly highway miles. When it comes to batteries. Time is a killer if them. Someone who doesn't drive much would likely have to replace the batteries after 12 years with average driving. And average winter. U could buy a new gas car for 25,000. And this car is a hundred thousand. Electric cars are a joke. To expensive to buy to expensive to replace the batteries. Many people today can buy a used vehicle that will last many miles and they don't have to worry about replacing a 20,000 dollar battery if the vehicle if 15 years old. If someone drove it 50,000 miles in 15 years one would likely have to replace the batteries. Gas veicles. Work as normal. Little maintenance.
You're right. Time is a big killer of many things, and it's not necessarily mileage dependant. Which is why it's interesting that things like the condensation in the tail lights, or broken infotainment screens are occurring so early on. I would not consider those items to be mileage dependant, and should not be broken in only 6 years, especially on a 6 figure car.
Anything that was incorrect was due to outdated information that I found in older forum posts. They've been brought to my attention already and I've pinned a statement at the top of the comments thread which corrects any inaccuracies. If you have additional corrections, please list them and I'll be more than happy to add them
as usual with all tesla especially model S, a piece of garbage. so unreliable and so short life span. Try a Toyota, and see the stark difference. life is not 0-60 miles per hour, its a lot more than that.
In all fairness, it went about 250,000 miles with no major problems. And comparing a Tesla to a Toyota is unfair since nobody would ever cross-shop the two. That's like telling someone who wants a Mercedes to shop for a Ford...
@@HighMileageReviews You are wrong. Tesla is not a premium brand, and never pretended to be one. in fact judging by its fit and finish, the model 3 and Y are infirior to a camry or corolla. I am a car shoper 48YO, and i do consider model 3 vs corolla hybrid for my next purchase. I will wait to see when better reliability evidences apear for model 3 to take the decision.
@@HighMileageReviews Holding my purchase decision to the Tesla model 2 introduction to the market, in hope, that at 25k US$ They will have a corolla contender in term of content and design... its another 1-2 years wait. I have the time, my current corolla hybid just turned 4 YO now. still kicking strong. if it will not show strong apeal for my old ass, its a toyota again...
I apologize for providing a bit of insight into the company background and introducing the vehicle. I've provide timestamps so you can easily skip around the video to your heart's content. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some waffles to eat
If the creator was not a Tesla hater, (negativity is clear to see) He would have talked about how much it cost to drive per mile. My bet is that it would bury an IC car at this point and milage of this Tesla.
Clearly you haven't watched any other videos on my channel. The goal of my videos is not to compare to other cars. My intent of these reviews is to paint a picture of what can be expected from an ownership experience of a high mileage vehicle. Common issues, potential costs etc. And there's always a healthy dose of snark, regardless of brand. To your point, however, you're probably right (not about the Tesla hating), but an equivalent ice car in the same price bracket would likely require just as much if not a substantial amount more to upkeep for similar mileage.
@@HighMileageReviews No snark intended. Just disappointed you failed to make the comparison I watch your content for. Yes, I am a first time viewer hoping to see cost of operation at this high for any car milage.
I tried to find out if the tesla is good up to 200k miles but more than half of the video is kissaxxx statement. This is not a true review guys. Save your time
