5 Ways The Jedi BETRAYED Anakin and Justified His Actions 

They're as bad as the sith, but in different ways.

Saddley I can agree they didnt trust me I bit and were about to falsely accuse me of murder!

@Ill lLlLl no u

@Ill lLlLl nah

Wait so you’re saying from your point of view the Jedi are evil?

Try cracking it

Lol a DEATH stick

yeah thats fucked up he shoulda went back for his mother as soon as he was able to,and fuck what the counsel says, just deal with Jedi after you save her what ever the concequences,and any concequence is worth saving your mother.even if disbandment from the order,fuck them is what I would say right to thier faces

@@danielpaquet3963 he didnt try saving his mother before then because not only was he by obi wan side the entire time up to the attack of the clone movie. But also even if he went back to the desert planet Shmi still has the slave bomb chip in her and if she tried to escape with anakin she would of been killed when they set it off.

@@GreenDragonReviews not if you kill the people who can set it off,as for Obi wan,all he do to stop him is threaten his expulsion from the order,annikan coulda left.hes no some kinda slave to obi wan or the Jedi.

Yes and the Jedi are wrong maybe Anakin should have just left with Ashoka and lived with Both Padme and Ashoka while discovering the secrets of the force pretry cool huh

@@acegabrielcruz3687 that is a cool alternate universe...

I don’t think Anakin deserved master

@@samisikdar5417 that’s outrageous, it’s unfair!

@@samisikdar5417 He did a hell of a job training Ahsoka. She was practically a Knight in all but name.

they said he needed to bring balance to the force though...balance means that he has to clean the house with both jedi and sith. maybe they understood he was here to balance the force, he was not their friend but their eventual destruction. I think anakin was meant to learn from both light and dark, kinda like yin-yang and destroy both jedi and sith and show the true way of the force, with both light and dark at your side in balance.

@@jorgenitales412 didn’t Yoda say they could have misread the prophecy of the chosen one? Interesting point

Someone is not fully trained if they are not a knight

@@deathsticks1776 yep, Anakin wasn't meant to destroy the Sith as Yoda and Obi thought. He was meant to destroy the Jedi

@@jorgenitales412 They thought he was going to destroy the Sith, they had no reason to treat him the way they did. And even if they did have a suspicion of his downfall, this doesn’t mean that the Jedi council are absolved from blame. The Jedi council poked, prodded, ridiculed, and pushed Anakin to hating the Jedi Order. When the time came for him to choose a side, who can really blame him for choosing the side that promised him a way to save his wife? Darth Sideous hardly even had to do anything, he was just widening cracks that were already there. War aside, most of the conflict comes from the Jedi Order’s general incompetence.

Yeah. It is pretty weird that the Jedi are surprised by Anakin's entitled attitude, when they were the ones who identified him as the Chosen One in the first place. Not to mention, Anakin was 9 years old when he was given this information. How did they think he was going to react to it? Plus, if they really cared about keeping the Chosen One on their side, they would have done everything to keep him emotionally stable, rather than mold him into their ideal Jedi. For example, they could have freed his mother from slavery and let her live in the Jedi temple. That would have given Anakin some emotional stability, making him less vulnerable to Palpatine's manipulation.

The Jedi order had no sense of humanity when his only friend Ashoka left mace said this is a trial and didn't even apologize

Aiman Mohammed Yeah. They didn’t take responsibility for their actions.

@@speedracer2008 true

@@speedracer2008 they are light Sith not Jedi when Palpatine said the the Jedi and Sith are similar he admitted that he made up a scam Jedi order in coruscant why there cause he owns the place cause old Ben Kenobi said alderaan not corusant this might prove the real Jedi originated there conspiracy theory the Jedi in the prequels are clones,orphans,delinquents or vagrants or runaway slaves that's why they act so criminal like also don't care about the slaves or anyone who needs help that might be reason they are like that

This. I can't imagine Qui-Gon being the type of Jedi to leave Anakin's mother behind especially since he's already a jedi that's more like what a jedi's suppose to be.

This?

Brad Roberts the fact that he did not, is proof that Obi-Wan was an asshole

@@gabrielrobles5288 Nah he wasn't an asshole, he was just too much like the other Jedi, as in he obeyed orders. If he was more like Qui-Gon things might have turned out different.

@Brad Roberts Exactly. Obi-Wan was too concerned about his standing in the order to take that step. The only credit I'll give Obi-Wan is that he knew about Padme and allowed it to continue.

Anakin: laugh maniacally like Baxter stockman from tmnt 2012 and staying i full on mega crazy

"a true Jedi" *LSWTCS Intensifies*

A true Grey Jedi!

*lego star wars intensifies*

Absolutely, him an Ashoka truly represented the light side of the force without trying to convolute it with petty politics. Having emotions for those you care for shouldn’t be completely considered dark side.

@@themightysangheili8641 The "penetrate" part just sounded wrong in a way.

He wasn’t trusted.... they’ve said it many times he didn’t follow rules

Neither did mace windu

Then, he shouldn't have even been assigned Ahsoka.

@@LowkeyUzi2614 They treated Ashoka the same way too and after the bombing case they were like "we weren't blind as hell, it's all the will of the force, not out fault that we almost executed you for something you didn't do".

Mirza Hamza Baig I’ve heard they thought she did it ( I didn’t Watch clone wars I really need to though) I got Disney+ so I might

i think The council was scared that Anakin would give too much information to palpatine

I think Mace was jealous

They were blinded by their arrogance. Look at their initial reaction to Dooku's political maneuvers right before the outbreak of the war. They regarded him as a political idealist, incapable of initiating violence or conflict.

Most Jedi become masters after training a padawan. The Jedi order expelled his padawan without due process.

Why is everyone saying that it wasn’t the right move? It clearly was the right move this guy would go and start killing kids you think he’s fit to be a master? Just because he had a sad life doesn’t mean anakin/Vader isn’t evil. He killed all those little kids and all the Jedi just for his wife. No matter how you slice it it’s stupid and anakin is a dumb ass.

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done

Well, that's what it's supposed to be. Sequel trilogy aside, the first 6 episodes were really about the story of anakin, a renowned jedi in strategy, war, and piloting-charming and witty, becoming a planet wiping murderer.

@@fatimacarrano934I got some fantastic news for ya, your wish is true!!!!

I think of starwars as the chad obi wans adventure

Have you heard the Tragedy of Darth Vader the Chosen One?

I remember a phrase a member of a group of Sith said way before the Clone Wars. They basically said, "We're better than the Jedi because we're not afraid to feel".

@@DoctorWhoKage Darth Plagueis said that, but the sith are equally flawled They are the other extreme side of the coin, not only they feel but let their emotions consume them entirety, witch only ends in tragedy

@@guifdcanalli which means that there needs to be an order with *true* balance. Not just orders that are basically one extreme over the other. I wish there was a Gray Jedi Order...

@@DoctorWhoKage in EU the Jedhai were the true masters of the force, but the order went into a civil war and the dark side teachings were banned when they were reorganized into the jedi

@@guifdcanalli well, *that's* unfortunate. But, still, I'd say that we need a Gray Jedi Order.

Darth Tyrannus *Gasp* My lord! You’re alive!

Hahaha

@@marceline3986 Shut up

no ones ever really gone hello there

You too who next is coming back jar jar

Steve B true. I totally forgot

Yes!! Obi Wan completely lost Anakin's trust with that one

Clone wars

Obi-Wan was horrible to lie to Anakin like that

I think he didn‘t like lying to Anakin, but since he has always followed the rules and wishes of the council he couldn’t really stand up to them. During the Ahsoka trail or the Misson for anakin to spy on Palpatine Obi-wan was secretly on anakins side but was used to following the Councils orders and responsibilities and didnt think it would bring much to go against Yoda or Windu

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done

@@fatimacarrano934 well it's still possible but time is running out if they want to do live action younger Anakin stories with him because he's now 40. Otherwise it's force ghost or nothing at all. I really wish Disney would try what if scenarios for tv show series. It would be great if that was an option also. It would be amazing but most likely it'll always just be a dream or fan made films.

Gutted. As we all were

surprised he didn't turn right then....he was so pissed...as was I....

That might have been the point of no return for Anakin. By the time the Battle of Coruscant happened, his faith in the Jedi Order was mostly gone. He still trusted Obi-Wan to a point, but not enough to tell him about his vision of Padme'.

@@Lennis01 This was a turning point for sure. Agreed.

Solid buzzfeed unsolved reference 😂

Ribotto Studios yep...accusing her of the crime she didn’t commit was the STUPIDEST THING the council has done.

@@alexander.tahtadjian not even that since the whole force choke thing DID look sketch but like....Obi-Wan, Yoda.....they couldn't just like look into her mind to see she hadn't done it? My GOD just stupid. And then MACE WINDU had to OPEN HIS DAMN MOUTH and be like "hur hur this was a trial you passed girl." nah nah nah. I'd be OUT.

The whole entire mess with ashoka proved just how curropt the rebuplic truly was

LOL

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t happen

@Marcelo Gonzalez he destroyed the Jedi and Sith. That's bringing balance. Regardless of the methods.

@Marcelo Gonzalez ✅

@Marcelo Gonzalez if trained right & not failed, anakin would've been an even greater jedi. But he was the chosen one, perhaps he was meant to fail. he was to bring balance to the force. If the only way he can is by killing everyone & Palpatine then so be it. Even if he didn't know that's what he was doing at the time. He saved the universe duh

@Marcelo Gonzalez lmao that's why I said perhaps, like if that's how the cookie ends up crumbling that's how its done

Why didn’t Yoda or any of the Jedi in the previous Jedi Order ever try to change their ways, and make it more like Luke’s New Jedi Order? Why didn’t they ever protest against the rampant corruption in the Republic they were serving? Why didn’t they just follow the will of the force the way that Qui Gon did?

It's pretty complicated issues. Emotions and attachments can lead to dark side (and Jedi have some bad experience with their members turning to dark side). There is their philosophy, when they see themselves as extension of force, that follows it's will. (Basically tools). Also, (if I remember right) some light side abilities needs its user to be calm (so they are harder to use in battle) so not letting emotions get in way of your calmness is necessity and they could (mis) interpret it as Force being against emotions. There is probably more, but this is what I can think about now.

Anyone with even a basic understanding of human psychology knows THAT.

Ironic

Not really. It both condemned him and redeemed him. Love ruined his life, then saved his spirit.

@@DiogoJ1 love doesn't condemn anyone. It was Palpatine who made Anakin go crazy for Padme, it was his plan all along.

@@usernotfound342 It just did with Anakin, when he took love too far. By priotizing Padme's live, he ironically ended up killing her and condemn himself to years of suffering, and self-loathing. Palpatine is of course just as guilty, but Anakin could have handled his circunstances better if he just learned to control himself and actually didn't take his vision for granted.

@@DiogoJ1 learn to control himself agains the most powerful sith manipulator?? Are you serious dude?

Garbage....just need a rainbow flag and you have all the powers of Disney!

Remember that part of Force useage is instinct. Rey being able to heal is the same as the Child from The Mandalorian, it's instinctual. Rey also had learned from the ancient Jedi texts, who knows what was in those books, she might have found out Force Healing from there.

@@danmenard6917 if she found the force heal from the ancient texts, then why was anakin not allowed to learn . Also if she now a descendent of plaps was able to learn it as guided by her instincts and do all those crazy stuffs, why couldn't anakin a literal force child do so,

@@abiyudtom1692 The ancient Jedi texts are from the first Jedi. Knowledge gets lost over time. The ability to heal with the Force is traditionally depicted as a selfless action, and we all know that Anakin was a very selfish and arrogant person, there's no way he'd be able to use the power.

Meh why even bother arguing over that, 7-9 should be tossed into trash where it belongs, there's no point defending a mary sue

Jedi more view emotion as A thing that impairs critical thinking.

Skyler Allen Yes but you cannot deny that, towards the end of the Jedi Order, they practically demonized all emotion. They went so far as to shame a young Anakin for missing his mother after leaving her, still enslaved, on Tatooine

@@primroseprom very true, it was there fear of losing anakin to the dark side that drove them to such drastic aversion. I feel that it is A good thing to control ones emotions when handling A power like the force but in their fear of the dark side they asked anakin to become something impossible.

@@primroseprom I think the Jedi order itself was lost in dogmatic thinking. Dooku was right and qui gon knew it deep down.

Skyler Allen Definitely. The Jedi were at their height when they embraced both the light and dark side of the force.

And his next line: but that's just MY own ROMANTIC feeling

Great that someone thought the same thing!!

Was padme sick or something

@@dldl9869 no Anakin had a premonition she was going to die in child birth . He had the same time of premonitions when his mom died.

Yeah, because in the 1000 years that the Republic stood, the Jedi just happened to be sitting on the secret to immortality, but just never used it until Anakin wanted it.

@@MrZackavelli the book explains it a little more detail.

It's a lot like the tale of the green knight but unlike Gawain, Anakin doesn't get a second chance.

I think that sometimes we overlook the true tragedy of Amazon because we only view him as part of the prequels. The most insight to Anakin Skywalker is more embedded in the Clone Wars series of animation. IMHO the hardest blow to Snaking and a defining moment is when Ashoka Tano is blamed by the Jedi order for a crime she did not commit and her subsequent severing of her ties with the Jedi Order truly struck Anakin to his core , the seed of doubt taking firmer root in his mind. Ashoka meant so much to him and was essential to his development as a Jedi and his subsequent turn. I had always wondered why they did not give Anakin and Ashoka a chance at either a real relationship, or at least a deep friendship that gave Anakin a fighting chance to resist Palpatine's manipulation. And Lucas and now Disney cannot say it "couldn't happen" Think Legends and Darth Malgus and his Twilek lover. Same for Kanaan Jarrus and Hera. Ashoka would have been a phenomenal choice for Anakin as she is strong, intelligent and a great person all around. I personally wasn't happy with Padmae as she just was not a great fit and it's hard to explain.

Edit:Anakin in first paragraph. I hate Google!!

Deathstrike_YT I mean she was 14 and he was 19 at first so it’s a bit weird. Even if they grew up it’d be quite weird, like if a young teacher dated a student they taught from 14 years of age ahahahah

@@madmandelphamine9937 It would be the same age gap that already exists between Padme and Anskin. Just saying.

While Anakin becoming a Sith Lord was excessive, his anger towards the Jedi had some justification. They constantly tried to mold him into one of them, when the reality was that he was different. He had already formed attachments and was very outspoken when it came to facing a problem, rather than contemplative and impartial, like the rest of the Council. They couldn’t accept him for who he was. Palpatine presented himself as a figure who accepted Anakin as he was, which made it all the more easier for him to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

@@speedracer2008 Indeed. The council pretty much gift wrapped Anakin, with all his innate power, and handed him to Palpatine. Their so-called "wisdom" was highly overrated. They participated fully in their own demise through their callousness and arrogance.

Wahn Yoon yeah. Anakin is responsible for murdering the Jedi, but it was the Jedi Order trying to mold Anakin into what they wanted him to be, rather than accepting him for who he was, that caused him to turn against them in the first place.

@@speedracer2008 What Palpatine did to Anakin was pure selfishness, and only needed a puppet to regain his power. Nothing glorious about that. Sure the Jedis' had their weaknesses, which is why Qui Gon was so adamant about the Jedis' abuse of power, it does not justify what Anakin did to the younglings, or Palpatine using Anakin's skills for his own power grab. Palpatine is still the evil of the two. Which is why it took Luke to bring Anakin (Darth Vader) back to light, which in turn helped Anakin destroy the Sith. So your argument of the Jedis' "molding" Anakin to what they wanted, is actually what Palpatine succeeded in doing. Anakin had too much anger inside him, which is why the Jedis' first refused to train him. Anakin was brainwashed by Palpatine.

@@StephenDanielLopez well cause the Jedi were not guardians of peace and justice that's why he had too much anger in him Palpatine expected that brainwash the Jedi to let him train him himself without them knowing mind control

There's a fan fiction where Anakin cut off Obi Wan's leg and almost force chokes him to death. I mean, it's a goddamn miracle that didn't happen in canon.

@@mechengr1731do you have the name of the fanfiction

@kellyann8440 sorry, I don't. It's been a while and I think it just popped up as a screenshot on Google images

@@mechengr1731 And fanfiction isn't even canon. I love obi wan but he did screw anakin somewhat over

Boom

Lol he knew what he was doing.

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@@DrsJacksonn Dude it's a joke.

Believe in the force more than anything else.

Actually exactly. If there is NO Sith anymore. and Anakin would bring balance to the force. It is fucking obvious that balancing the force is reducing number of Jedi . It is not a rocket science.

So basically Thanos is the Force.

@@earthsmortician5869 basicly Thanos is delusional psycho

“Only through the sacrifice of many Jedi will the sins of the order be cleansed...” -a prophecy from the canon novel Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray

Brian Fernandez Lmfaoooo

Dead

No that would be the Dolphins.

Those younglings were just asking for it

@God King Vegeta yeah I think your right king Vegeta. That does make sense

It doesn’t mean that murdering the kids was *okay* at all. Not to mention the fact that it wasn’t just about the “greater good” of the galaxy at that point, but Padme, too. Sure, he was told that, he convinced himself that, but in actuality, he was really just terrified. Anakin was a victim of abuse, conditioning/manipulation for subservience, oppression, and neglect with compromised agency his whole life, so I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s ALL his fault he ended up becoming Vader and remained that way for so many years. He also was raised in an environment where the emotional/psychological well-being and lives of both children and adults were treated as expendable “for the greater good” of the Jedi Order and Republic, regardless of their guilt or innocence. Additionally, considering the fact that the clones had already been programmed to kill the Jedi by Palpatine and Yoda and the Council had already screwed themselves over by attempting to commit treason against the head or the Senate on suspicion of him being a Sith without the rest of the Senate chamber’s knowledge, no matter who Anakin chose in that moment in Revenge of the Sith between Palpatine and Mace Windu, the Jedi would still be going down either way. It’s why I always find this fandom so hypocritical in regards to their thoughts on the morality of Anakin/Vader vs the Jedi adults of his time. Yeah, he committed more murder directly of innocents “for the greater good” than them, and the Empire/Sith technically were morally worse than the old Republic/Jedi Order. However, that whole “greater good” mantra for committing and/or enabling atrocities, murder, oppression, war crimes, and other human rights violations against anyone who got in the way of that, regardless of their guilt, innocence, age, creed, or race, is not something Anakin learned to do to be Darth Vader from JUST Sidious. It’s something he learned from Obi-Wan, Yoda, and his other superiors in the Jedi Order/Republic of his time, too. Sure, they weren’t as bad as the Sith/Empire, but ultimately, the adults of the overall old Jedi/Republic had been doing the same thing that Anakin/Vader had finally learned to do by the end of Revenge of the Sith. They all learned to slap on that “greater good” mantra as a band-aid to make themselves feel better about enabling and perpetuating horrible crimes and injustices that they knew were wrong out of fear of the unknown, a desire to hold on to security, a desire to avoid abandonment, and a desire to avoid conflict. The overall old Jedi Order and Republic had become too afraid to take a risk to do the right thing when all the odds seemed to be stacked against them. All the adults of the old Jedi Order/Republic became cowardly, in-denial, and selfish in their desperation and fear of the unknown. Anakin is the only one who gets any heat for it from most of this fandom because he became their enemy, though.

@@Schoolgirl325 Thanks for your well-thought-out and worded response. I agree, on the surface it seems like there's a clear difference between 'good and evil/right and wrong,' but a closer look at the "protagonists" and "antagonists" shows that such 'black and white' terms don't necessarily exist. Under either regime there were those who benefitted and those who suffered; neither stands as a perfect or complete system.

@@DJPach Yeah, there’s also the fact that Anakin Skywalker, at least in public, eventually learns to become much more like the Jedi of his time as Darth Vader after he gets put in that suit. In front of his enemies and his men, he becomes much more cold and emotionally detached as a weapon for Sidious and the Empire in service of their “greater good.” If he ever does show any sort of emotion in front of his enemies and/or men, it’s either anger, impatience, and/or hatred. He’s usually just being very apathetic about it, taking orders for Sidious, and serving their “greater good.” It’s this job that he hates, but convinced he has to do, both by Sidious and himself. Ironically, it’s actually kind of like how Obi Wan, Mace Windu, and the Jedi adults of his time usually reacted when committing murder of their enemies in combat. Little to no signs of hesitation or remorse, getting their job done quickly, don’t ask any questions about the motivations of potential enemies, threats or traitors, just kill them, justify it as “for the greater good,” and then move on. Yeah, occasionally, there would be some remorse and emotional compromise if they genuinely got attached to someone else, such as Obi Wan in regards to Qui Gonn and Anakin, and they weren’t going out of their way to murder anyone who refused to submit to their conquests like Sith,. However, the Jedi definitely didn’t have many problems with creating collateral damage for their “greater good,” and were way more okay with committing bloodshed than they should have been for “peacekeepers of the galaxy” whenever they deemed it necessary.

@@DJPach It’s also ironic that Yoda was like “fear leads to the dark side.” Yep, it sure does, but you can’t just avoid that fear altogether, deny it’s existence, and/or try to get rid of it by knowingly doing morally wrong things to try to achieve worthy ends more easily and quickly. That’s what happened with Anakin, the overall Republic government, and the overall Jedi Order of his time, too. “Oh, we’re pro democracy and peace, except for when dealing with the outer rims, dangerous mission, or trying to avoid the dark side with our Jedi. Then, we conscript children to train them to be weapons for law enforcement, desensitize them to trauma and violence to be effective weapons, separate them from the outside world, forbid them from having close relationships and keeping in touch with their families, teach them that emotional expression, individuality, and personal freedoms are *wrong altogether,* get involved in war, pressure them into staying, and agree to use the clones as a slave army when asked by the Republic. “Oh, we’re not here to free slaves, and we don’t usually take in older recruits because they’ve known non-institutional love, anger, fear, and personal interests, and desire, which is risky if we train them in our way. However, we’ll free this one older child slave to take in as a Jedi, and train him in the exact same way we always have before because we need this kid as a weapon for war against the Sith, but we’re too afraid to admit our way could be wrong and make reforms. It’s kind of like with Anakin by the end of Revenge of the Sith. They wanted to have it both ways in the quickest and safest possible way, so they ended up becoming everything corrupt they set out to destroy to try to achieve that security in their fear and desperation under pressure because actually *doing* the right things by being honest, sticking up for themselves, and *pushing* for change would have been a lot riskier.

@@Schoolgirl325 Once again, thank you for your well-put-together statements concerning the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic. As I was reading there were parts where I wasn't sure if you were talking about the Star Wars universe or our own, lol. That is to say, that the events leading up to the Clone Wars, the Clone Wars themselves, and the transition to the Imperial Regime bear a striking resemblance to our own reality. That and the failings of the Jedi and Galactic Republic reflect the failings of institutions that are meant to uphold peace, freedom, and all that is good in our own world.

Yeah that's one of the many problems I have with the Prequel Jedi Order. If someone is found to be force sensitive and isn't a Dark side user, they just say, "No, this person will not be trained, no matter what their midichlorian count is. They are too old.", and toss them back onto the streets with little regard or care that the person could very well come back to cause problems for them in the future. Whenever I think of the Prequel's, I think, 'You do realize that the force sensitive that you just rejected training for could become one of your worst enemies? Either as a bounty hunter, a scoundrel or a Sith Acolyte.

@@macgyver42563 If Anakin hadn't been trained, he would've spent the rest of his life only using the Force subliminally and would never be a real threat to anyone who got ahold of him.

Whis my apprentice you shall become Foreseen it I have

Sith overlord Yoda hmm yes I can feel the dark side calling me

@@coolingindaboot6853 good this is Give in to it you must Fight your destiny you cannot Rehehehehe

Yeesh that’s the funniest line u could come up with for the Jedi councils response

She Orange actually.

Anakin was a hypocrite. When he deems someone to big of a threat he eliminates them, when mace, (a wise master) deems it, all the sudden it's wrong... dude just wanted power from palpatine.

@@guy8360 When he deems someone to big of a threat?? he deemed nothing he was orderd to by the leader of his goverment and instantly knew it was still wrong you doint say no to your commander in chief when he orders you to do something dureing a war

Anakin only kept Palpatine alive cause he believed he could save padme. And at that point he was lost. He only said that's the jedi way because it was an excuse to keep Palpatine alive

@@realdude6145 Padme's life being in danger did influence Anakin into wanting to save Palpatine's life as well. I mentioned this in my comment. However, that doesn't change the fact that Anakin was still correct, killing Palpatine (a defeated opponent) is not the Jedi way.

@@TheBerchie the jedi way didn't stop him from killing dooku or cutting off mace windu's arm

Ima just pretend you didn’t write “death maul” 😂

Que the fanfictions.

True. Because he still wouldn't be ready. As Obi-Wan tried to tell Anakin several times, being a Jedi master isn't just about power and lightsabers or being crazily skilled with the force. It isn't just a reward you get for doing something for the Order. Being a Jedi master is about being part of a greater whole. It is about achieving a higher spiritual state where you can let go of your fears and attachments to the material world. Anakin, despite his skill with a lightsaber and his power with the force, was also full of fear and emotionally unstable. He most certainly was not yet ready to become a Jedi master.

To be fair, while Anakin was morally wrong to participate in Palpatine’s crimes against the Jedi Order, either way he chose in that pivotal moment of RotS, the Jedi Order was still going down, and not all because of him. Yoda and Mace Windu had decided to commit treason against the Chancellor of the Senate and the rest of the Council followed their orders because they were too afraid to tell the Senate chamber that they suspected Palpatine was a Sith Lord. Not to mention the fact that Palpatine and Dooku had already programmed all the chips of the clones to execute Order 66, anyway. Either way he chose, the ultimate downfall and genocide of the Jedi Order and the Republic was going to happen in the prequels, and it wasn’t all because of Anakin. Even without him turning on the Order, or Palpatine at that point in Revenge of the Sith, the Jedi Order and Republic were going to go down at that point. The Jedi Council, particularly Yoda, had already shot themselves in the foot by alternating between doing the biddings of a corrupt and hypocritical Republic when it benefitted them and keeping secrets from it altogether when dealing with the Sith. They wanted to have it both ways in the safest possible way, and ended up destroying themselves and contributing to the destruction of the galaxy as a result. Then, why have Anakin fall to the dark side at all? To connect back to his sacrifice in ROTJ of killing Palpatine to save Luke, and to explain why he had such a hard time believing he had or deserved a choice to do better under Palpatine as his attack dog/murder slave in the OT movies until Luke came along. I don’t think the point was that he should be wholly absolved for his crimes because we see that Anakin did have a conscience, a selfish side, and stop trying after going dark too until Luke came along. However, the prequels explain why he became Vader, explain why he learned to see himself as nothing but a compliant tool or weapon to abusive, corrupt, manipulative, and oppressive authority figures. They explain why he could learn to justify doing horrible things with that whole “greater good” mantra to compartmentalize his guilt in his fear and self-loathing under oppressive authority using him for their own ends when all the odds seemed to be against him.

“If what you say is true you’ll have earned my trust” BITCH what about everything he did so far?!?! I always hated Mace Windu, what a dick.

Windumb would have fallen to the Dark Side IMMEDIATELY after killing Palpatine.

Also when he tried to object Mace mentally bitchslapped him in front of everyone with 'Sit(the fuck) down." Kind of like shut up when adults are speaking

You know Sam Jackson just wanted to say "Motherfucker" instead of "young Skywalker"

@@2ndlegend125 fact lol

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done

@@fatimacarrano934 the OT fans would like to disagree

And the faith of the jedi at this time

*avoid it But yes I thought of that quote too

Obi-Wan was blind as fuck to the failings of the Jedi Council and how they failed Anakin quite completely.

@@DoctorWhoKage Perhaps. But slaughtering innocent children? Yeah that's on Anakin.

@@mylesblake2026 to be fair, that's also the Jedi's fault, too because once you become a Jedi, you're no longer a civilian. You're a soldier either on a religious purge of the Sith or a soldier seeking to help the commoners. So, while those children didn't know what they were signing up to, they are still expendable because they're child soldiers, now. In that respect, they signed away their lives the moment they became a Jedi. Considering the way that the ins and outs of the Jedi Order are framed, their lives are no more important than any regular IRL soldier. If they didn't want any kids killed by former members of the Order, then maybe, *just maybe* the Jedi should've reconsidered forcing force-sensitive children to sign up to be Jedi the moment they are born. Although, I do admit that because he killed kids, Anakin's redemption is kinda...well, bullshit. Killing children is an irredeemable act and the fact that Luke redeemed him in spite of the fact that he killed children is downright disrespectful to the memory of those children, at best.

@@DoctorWhoKage I mean, this time period was when the Jedi needed the younglings the most. Well, no one forced Anakin to go and kill younglings. He could've sparred them. And yes, those younglings were probably rolling in their graves when Anakin was redeemed. Assuming they received the honour of a burial.

@@mylesblake2026 there was a person forcing him to purge the Jedi Temple, though: Palpatine. And he already surrendered to being his Sith apprentice after he stopped Mace Windu from committing a war crime, essentially. What Mace was about to do is essentially the Star Wars equivalent of a US Army general assassinating the US president based on an unfounded accusation against said president. Anyway, I remember hearing in Cinemawins' video on Revenge of the Sith that he did it because Darth Sidious implied that Anakin had to do horrible things to gain dark side power (more than he already had, at least).

And Ahsoka, she’s too good for them though

Qui-Gon told Obi-Wan to ignore the wary feeling he had at the beginning of Episode 1. Anakin was the only one shown to have visions. You're probably speaking of the prophecy which was foretold of years before the Prequels started.

Anakin never told anyone about his visions... And relying on your visions was said by the jedi to ignore them. The issue is that many jedi that had vissions, tried to avoid the future, which made them turn into the dark side. Which happened with Dooku and Anakin ( and a lot more jedi in the past)

@@andrejosue98 what do you mean he never told anyone? he told Obi Wan about his mom, and Yoda about Padme and isn't a prophecy , nothing but a vision written down? my point was, they told him to ignore them, but they relied on the future chosen one, vision

@@invisigoth777 No dude, Yoda was always suspisious of the "chosen one" prophecy, he always insisted that visions could be misunderstood

@@andrejosue98 Leader of an order of space wizards who has telepathic powers, can sense other people's feelings (aren't they meant to be forbidden?) and actions halfway across the galaxy is suspicious of visions. Ironic

🤣🤣🤣I was thinking the same thing!!!

Hell yeah it’s said correctly

Ikr

Lmao I just commented the same thing 😂

It’s the best way to put it

I get it your being sarcastic right because he killed kids and was involved with jedis death he don't even know

@@killerwakyduck5831 no i’m not being sarcastic 😐

@@kechkur2800 he killed kids and every jedi he was about to be a master before he killed the black jedi can't remember name.

@@killerwakyduck5831 but what he’s been through justifies him i feel him honestly, i almost killed my friend when i was going through depression 😢

@@kechkur2800 yes I feel for him but he shouldn't have killed the kids.

He never got freedom until death.

And he was free to leave the order at any time, especially once he got married. It was all his own stupidity and mental weakness that caused him his issues.

​@@shugaroony And by that same logic people are free to leave any cult at any time. Except when they aren't.

@@darkblood626 yes the Jedi could have claimed that Anakin was influenced by the dark side and lock him in the citadel(hope I spelled that right). I mean if they locked up Jedi who saw the future, then they would have done that to Anakin. So I agree with you. And especially since he is the chosen one. He could not leave even if he wanted to.

@@darkblood626 palpatine was his only way out and he only stayed because of the clone wars. So he didn't have a choice at all in his life. So he was influenced by anyone who gave him power. And to him power is freedom.

And that was the inherent flaw of the Jedi. Anakin had a crap ton of emotional damage to deal with but The Order's only acceptable method for dealing with that kind of problem was saying, "Just get over it or ignore it." Their refusal to understand emotions or really deal with them is what led most fallen Jedi turn to the Dark Side.

Archangel980 idk, I think it’s kind of a grey matter. And what do you mean by “helping him”, he had a lot of support in the order.

Rob J isn’t that a little reductive? Isn’t that like saying a Buddhist monks or a Christian monostaries “only acceptable way of dealing with it” is to “refuse to understand emotions”. I think it’s more a conflict in philosophy rather than one strictly of mental health. Those above organizations also insist that members give up worldly things and lovers as well. And seeing as the order has survived for millennia, it isn’t exactly obvious that it’s all that fundamental of a flaw. It was more due to the Anakin being a special case, rather then a fundamental problem in the creed.

honestly it felt kinda forced especially if you only look at the three movies and not the clone wars show.

@@midshipman8654 If that were true, there wouldn't be so many fallen Jedi. To the point multiple masters throughout the orders history has questioned their own methods due to the high failure rate.

Exactly hahaha!!!

No, Palpatine did.

They didn’t trust him and now they paid the price for it being fugitives on the Galaxy they once felt superior to.

@@DiogoJ1 the jedi made him lost, Palpatine gave him a direction

@@guifdcanalli An direction towards evil. It's better to be lost in that case, at least you still have the chance of being found. Someone who falls to the dark side, will have a very hard time steer themselves in the right direction. Once the Dark Side has a hold over you, it will forever have some sway over your destiny. Even Revan couldn't escape from it in the end, he managed to redeem himself, but in his final days, managed to fall back to his previous mistakes as he tries to commit genocide against the Sith Empire, by trying to exterminate both innocents and Sith, by using their Sith blood in people's veins as the focus for their extermination. The only reason why Darth Vader returns to the light side definetely, and never falls again, is because he died shortly after.

@@DiogoJ1 my point is Anakin would never have alligned with Palpatine if the Jedi havent pushed him over

Marley you beat me to this comment post. I love The Black Parade.

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Shit made me smile tbh

“That’s just my romantic thinking”

Dude. That was before Ashoka.

Idiot

Z Bond ??? Episode 3 was after the clone wars wym lol

chiefster11 This movie was made before the clone wars moron. Ashoka wasn’t even thought of yet. In canon yes, but these movies, no. She appears years after this movie in the CLONE WARS tv show. If they thought of Ashoka back then they would’ve had a direct reference to her in the movies.

Z Bond omfg no fucking shit Sherlock. The show creators help create dots to the third movie in the way i described and many people who talk about the lore in Star Wars discuss in the way that I just did. Ofc we fucking know that the movie was made before the show. No one claimed that. You’re on god a fucking tard bro.

Oh, doing their dirty work? You mean like saving the galaxy from a fascist Empire?

@@MrZackavelli "saving the galaxy" you say that as if the empire was about to make the universe implode

@@InitialPC Saving the galaxy *from* a fascist empire. It's like you decided to stop reading mid-sentence.

@@MrZackavelli what is the galaxy being saved from, what is the empire doing to the galaxy that requires the galaxy to be saved from the empire

@@InitialPC You're kidding, right? You think there's nothing wrong with fascism?

1) If Anakin had just followed Yoda's advice and actually let go of his paranoia, he wouldn't have let Palpatine get into his head, he wouldn't have fell to the dark side, and Padme would've been just fine. Basically, if Anakin just listened to Yoda, then Anakin would've had a happily ever after. 2) Balance absolutely *does* mean that the light side rules everything. This is straight out of the mouth of George Lucas. The Sith throw the Force out of balance, thus balance is restored when Anakin destroys Sidious.

I always believed he would have too. He seemed the kind of person who would have done it without an agenda, but out of simple kindness.

If he didn't die then Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to train anikan so young

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t happen

Qui gon understood his fears but was naive like count Doku

someone shoulda created a big sand monster to go against Vader.he probably woulda ran away or better yet equip every one who has to fight him with sand blasters like they use to remove paint.

Daniel Paquet agreed. The Rebels need to add this to their Anti-Vader Drill 😂😂😂

LMAO

Then Rey covered his lightsaber in sand on Tatootine. Greate.

Vader VS the sand creature from Spiderman who wins?

except in harry's case, he grew up to be fine. Anakin just got completely fucked over

@@lapplandkun9273 Harry grew up to be just fine? No trauma from enduring all that before your brain had fully formed? None at all huh

@@augustuskeller7214 I mean, we did get to see how Harry's story ended, having a healthy family and all that. Anakin got 3 of his limbs chopped off, turned into a villain and was forced to do someone else's bidding.

It was actually the corrupt officials of the Ministry of Magic who refused to accept that Voldemort returned and instead launched a smear campaign against Harry Potter because Fudge was a delusional ass

@@Charlie94781 yea but you’re telling me there was no manipulating by Dumbledore to make harry his martyr? He knew Harry had to die the WHOLE time and said absolutely nothing! Dumbledore did EVERYTHING to ensure Harry would die at the perfect time.

Darth Vader: I'm going to go help my new master enslave thousands of worlds to bring peace and security! If that doesn't work, we bomb them from orbit until everything is dust. If that doesn't work, we build a death ball and destroy everything, cause I had a rough childhood!!

"Anikan". Cmon, his name is literally in the title of the video. ANAKIN.

@@Euripides_Panz To be fair at that point Anakin was utterly beaten down, manipulated, guilt tripped, stripped of his former identity, and shaped into the intimidating persona of Darth Vader at that point, or the image that Sidious wanted for him. (Seriously, canon Darth Vader's story post Clone Wars is both depressing and terrifying due to the shit Sidious kept doing.)

More like under new management

@@Euripides_Panz to be fair, Anakin's whole life was screwed up the moment Qui-Gon died.

The force is created by life, yet the Jedi reject the creation of life via committed, romantic relationships. The Jedi disavow attachment, yet expect loyalty, which is a form of attachment, to the order. Jedi say to avoid anger and fear, yet they fear emotional attachment and are angry when a person experiences justifiable anger. They are hypocrites of the highest order. Still doesn't justify the evil Anakin committed.

It wasn't unbalanced and one sided. Balance does not mean how many Jedi and sith there are.

Anakin post ROTJ in canon makes this clear. He helped Luke Skywalker and gave him advice when rebuilding the Jedi Order. It makes no sense to kill any force user or force sensitive child in fear of keeping balance. What happened is that the sith had unbalanced the force and the dark side of the force had clouded the Jedi orders ability to sense things. Anakin existed to bring balance back into the force, Palpatine knew this and instead of killing him, he seduces him. The best thing he knew he could do. Palpatine knew Anakin would betray him eventually.

adora721 lux Loyalty is commitment. Not attachment. When they say attachment they’re talking about the type of attraction that leads to unhealthy shit like obsession. How is this not obvious?

The entire point of the balance is to remove the Dark Side. Balance = No Darkside ever again.

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done

I have failed you anakin, I have failed you... (I love that line)

@@lauriegee1272 so true. obi wan DID fail. anakin needed qui-gon, not obi wan.

Shit he is right

@tanio12 all the jedi treated anakin like crap since he was a kid, except qui-gon jinn. obi wan never trusted him fully. in ep1 obi wan said to qui gon "the boy is dangerous!". mace windu didn't trust anakin. yoda didn't trust anakin. the jedi council then asks him to spy on a legally elected chancellor, who is by that time, like a father figure to anakin, and at the same time dont even give him the rank of master. and yes, the nightmares of padme's death topped it all off. to me, anakin was always a victim.

The world of star wars doesn't work like the real one. Those who use the force submit to its power. That's why Sith are corrupted and become almost pure evil in the search of power. If such things existed, it would be possible to go this insane

sg98films Morals are still a thing in Star Wars. Slavery, for example, is considered very, very bad in our world and not acceptable. In Star Wars, it truly depends on where you’re at and who’s asked.

Exactly, but I guess it was too late.

@@blackblack1167 'morals' are just man-made rules and constantly change throughout time. Remember 'slavery' was a regular way of life for thousands of years before things progressed and individuals were given more rights in law. We usually think of 'slavery' from the infamous 'Atlantic Slave Trade', when treatment of Africans by the greedy European slavers was horrendous. But 'Slavery' as a concept, worked in ancient times, when societies considered people of different 'ranks' and 'classes'. It was a guaranteed way for people of weaker families and lower ranks to attain basic security and living needs. They secured essential employment and formed a important layer of society. A slave from a poor family, owned by a very rich master might enjoy a life of relative luxury, tending his gardens or waiting on his large tables overladen with all kinds of luxury food. But slavery gradually became increasingly viewed as being unjust, as society evolved. Systems of law and governance allowed lower ranks of people to attain personal wealth, own land, and have rights and freedoms. It took centuries for things to change the world over. Perhaps that's what Lucas was reflecting also happens in the 'Star Wars' universe. Which is why slavery remains a thing in the backward, less developed corners of the galaxy. Such as on Tatooine.

But then he wouldn't be able to save Padme.

Most force sensitives that don't get spotted by jedi ended up being really successful pilots and gamblers because of the connection to the Force but they would just great it as being lucky since most in the galaxy either didn't know or didn't believe in the Force

casbott they oribabky would have imorissoned them or kill them. I learned today the Jedi has a prison for Jedi with the power of foresight so yea. Not surprised

*just treat it

in the pre films, if the kid refuses to go with the jedi, they kill em', so them dosent join the sith.

In the case with Anakin, had the Jedi still rejected him to be trained the most likely thing to happen was that he would have become a sith lord earlier. Palpatine would have been glad at this early opportunity to take Anakin in.

I D O N T L I K E S A N D

Don't you love how Padme has no problem with him slaughtering Sand people children but the second he kills a bunch of Human kids... Thats too much.

u realize that tusken raiders are uncivilized and savage they should be hunted to extinction by the jedi order so its the right thing to kill them while the youglings are innocents who has been through a lot

@@fangjerry4697 Calm your inner Chistopher Columbus lol They are natives of tatooine and can be talked to or you can trade with them They just can't be organised enough to retake their planet, nor have the incentive to do so because of the tech that is brought

@@manuxx3543 they are still savages lol

They don't supress them, they control them. I would gladly be a jedi, since there's no rule that says I can't have a lover.

@@DiogoJ1 I thought there was a rule, but I guess not. I’ve been misinformed.

@@DiogoJ1 having a lover is a outlet for passion, which is not allowed tf?

@@RogueSith501 An outlet for passion, but if that passion is controlled, then it's a non-issue.

@@DiogoJ1 you literally made that up. They wont give you an outlet for passion because they view passion as a distraction to self control, to inner peace. Its literally in the code

I really like that! Good way to put it.

There is no evil in good or good in evil. They are completely separate, like light and darkness. Hence light side vs dark side.

We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like they can’t do it and like maybe resurrect him*

Yeah now this changed my mind now from my point of view the jedi are evil

sheev one I like your name

@@theprodigalson4003 thanks 👍

How could they put him on the council, and not make him a master?

He only wanted to bring peace, justice and security.

XD...so it's a good thing Maul killed u??

Sarai Gonzales aye man that’s rude

Perfectly understandable

deal with watto just run a light saber through him there. hes dealt with.

Daniel Paquet not the Jedi way

Just before he becomes Sheev's new slave.

Said it after killing a lot of children... right.

@@josesampaio5345 Long after killing Tusken men, women, and children. Borderline personality disorder certainly isn't an Ani issue.

@@Euripides_Panz 😁😁😁😁

There's a fanfic writer here on RU-vid who did an alternate ending to RoTS where Obi Wan actually convinced Anakin to not be a Sith Lord. He would ask him what was really in it for HIM. What Palpatine could have possibly given HIM that made him snap. And that he almost killed Padme in the process.

The new multi media series the high republic even show the jedi's flaws were their from the beginning the order was doomed to fail.

Very badly

There is also a different version...emotion yet peace

I hate to cross the franchises but "I think you're confusing peace with quiet."

Bloody badly, because its stupid and contradictory nonsense. Peace- as an abstract concept is an emotion. A feeling. The total lack of emotion is not peace. It is nothingness, emptiness, a void, and voids naturally desire to be filled. If we're going to down the line of trying to define peace as a state of being, well then we are opening a can of worms.

"There is no death, there is only The Force". Well, there you basically have a justification for pointless and immoral killing. You're not taking a life without good cause, you're just making that person "one with the Force".

I think Padme sent someone back for her at some point, but couldn't find her.

@@lovepeace230 true. I agree with the idea the jedi just used people to their advantage. The mother wasn't important. It's odd that Anakin never went back earlier though.

@@lovepeace230 why didn't they tell Anakin if they knew that she was freed. That could've eased his mind.

@@robert48044 the jedi would see that and be all like "hmm, is that emotion i smell"

Look up ghost of tatooine

Rank of master is also based on wisdom. Anakin was very immature and doesnt use his head.

@@alejandrotuazon4831 he use it more than Shaak Ti or Luminara Unduli, he just didn't have their dignified aura.

@@nicokrasnow1851 palpatine asked anakin to spy on the jedi; doesnt get mad (also doesnt tell the jedi) Jedi ask anakin to spy on palpatine; anakin whines about not being a master. No true master whines on not being promoted to master.

@@alejandrotuazon4831 he was simply fed up with the way the Council treat him, and he needed to be a Master in order yo save Padmé

Anikan was not in controls of his emotions, he had no business being a Master. If it were peace time there was no chance he would have been allowed to sit on the council. Yes he was incredibly powerful with the force but he couldn't be trusted with some of the darkest secrets only master's could know. He was more concerned with his friends than the good of everyone

I don’t think he was strong enough to kill palpatine..... mace windu could of easily

I think even If Palpatine died before Order 66, earlier or later, Anakin would become either a Sith or a "free Power user" with his own school. Because he had so much Power compared to his age. The conflict between Anakin and the Council wouldn't have ended, because why the arrogant and corrupt members should have changed their mind?

The fact they had a Sith Lord doing that shit UNDER THEIR VERY NOSES shows that the Jedi were most definitely NOT the all powerful do-gooders that the fanbase makes them out to be

He could kill others, but not himself. Ironic...

They usually do.

Well he did bring balance to the force he killed so many powerful jedi and got rid of his powerful sith master and himself and left like and some other weak sith that balanced Everything and then it was up to like too keep the balance

The book explains that there wasn't enough money to free Shmi, but they should have come back and freed her, it would have been a calming influence on Anakin to know his mother was safe

@@tonysc71 Or you know, just took her with them.

@@HylianSith920 Though Padme (and the Naboo) might have been grateful and donated the necessary resources to free Shmi.

Please read " Ghosts of Tatoonie," it covers Shmi life through her dairy. Even in the movie P.M. , Shmi tells Anakin that her fate was on Tatoonie and she was not going to leave the planet. Then in AotC it shown Shmi married into the Larrs family and became Owen's mom. in the Old EU before the Prequels, there was a prophecy of " The Son of Two Suns." Some bull crap about Luke being born or lived on a planet under two sun. It came down to Luke being the son of Shmi two sons.

Tony Cavallaro they could have advertised this pod racer that won the race and sold it

I feel that brother

Don't forget the dark side magic stuff he was doing directly under the Jedi council building on coruscant in order to further fog the force

Not to mention, Jedi temple were build in top of Sith altar. "Before the rise of the Galactic Republic, the ancient Sith Lords built a Sith shrine on Coruscant. The Jedi Order later constructed the Jedi Temple over the shrine, hoping to neutralize its dark energies. However, the residual power of the dark side of the Force inherent in the shrine had seeped out over the intervening millennia, weakening the precognitive abilities of the Order."

Mclovin Wade i thought it weakened them by having them all split up away from the jedi temple because palpatine would never be able to beat all the jedi masters at once

As Palpatine pointed out, Jedi Order own arrogance, hubris and hypocrisy were their own downfall. That all happened way before Palpatine comes in.

he flat out shoulda nah Palps you want the younglings dead you do it fuckin prick

they should not have killed the younglings thats stupid coulda made them all into sith worriors

@@danielpaquet3963 the last thing Sidious wanted was a bunch of well-trained Force users running around, especially if they were Dark Side. One or two could be useful tools, but too many would create potential rivals. That's why the Inquisitors were so inept. Contrary to popular belief, none of them were particularly skilled, instead relying on fear, brute force, and the Dark Side to bring them victory.

@@danielpaquet3963 Palpatine want himself and Vader to be the only sith cause if he and Vader train the younglings into sith they might try to kill Palpatine and Vader once they grew powerful enough. Which is why Palpatine told Vader to kill the young this is why Vader gave the inquisitors limited training in the dark side. Also Palpatine won't accept anyone too powerful in the force to become inquisitors again for the same reason why he didn't want the younglings to become sith.

@@robj2558 Exactly. This is exactly why Darth Bane created the rule of two. He realized that, by nature, the Sith are power hungry and have no qualms with treachery and treason. A Sith order breeds infighting, meaning that such an order will always destroy itself from within. The SIth work better in small, interdependent groups operating in the shadows while they expand their influence and grow their powers. A master who can teach the apprentice, and the apprentice who can learn from the master, surpass them, and defeat them