5 Ways the LDS Church Is Abusive 

Thank you. I believe I shared this before, however I will never forget a Stake Conference we had where a seventy went through the list of apostles and described all their worldly accomplishments. This was to show us how great men they were and how we should follow them. I am not sure why anyone would think this was a beneficial thing to do.

@@uncorrelatedmormonismPay to access God? Nonsense. You think tithing is hard, try the United Order under the Law of Consecration. Tithing is about faith, not money.

@@donaldjones9830 You missed my entire point. You might not realize this however in the true law of God some will give a lot and others will give nothing.

@@uncorrelatedmormonism I understand that. But it seems that the people are heaping a lot of criticism on the church including over vaccines, the diversity hire on the corporate side and much more. Yes, there are always people who don’t follow the doctrine of the Church. Some pay tithing to be seen. I get that. But when I see these negative comments on here about the Church, I have to question the motives of the channel creator, aka yourself.

@@donaldjones9830 I know it is painful to think about. However, it is helpful to ask yourself if the criticism is warranted.

Thanks. God has never worked through force or coercion. I believe many leaders in the LDS church are really trying to do the right thing. They are just hampered by the bureaucracy.

You don’t think that abuse of power only applies to the priesthood? It applies to any source of power including politics. I agree the priesthood doesn’t give anyone the right to abuse power or the commandments but it is up to each member to police themselves and determine their own worthiness.

@@donaldjones9830 If what you say is true then why do we need interviews with the Bishop and Stake President to determine worthiness? Why can't we just enter the temple if we want to learn more of God?

@@uncorrelatedmormonism Because that is the policy of the Lord and his Church. When we are baptized, we agree to obey the doctrine and policies of the Church. This includes no guns in a Church building. Not a hard concept to understand. This is part of the General Handbook of the Church

​@@donaldjones9830 Was the church created for you, or were you created for the church?

Thank you for the feedback. I certainly could have included more scriptures and such.

The Church is true, but nobody is perfect

@@donaldjones9830 What do you mean "the church is true". Can you explain that better?

@@uncorrelatedmormonism The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only authorized true Church on earth. The Savior is the head of it. Russell Marion Nelson is the senior apostle and prophet on the earth. He is authorized to receive revelation from God for the Church to the entire world. The Book of Mormon is true and the companion of the Bible. Please use the correct name of the Church as President Nelson asked in his April 2019 General Conference talk. This is the seventh and final dispensation called Fulness of Times, as this is the Restoration of the Church from 1830 and will continue through the Millennium

Please don't allow the weakness of men chase you away from God, Christ and the Book of Mormon. I can't say don't leave the church but I do know that you will not find anything better. So many people go athiest or agnostic when leaving, I do hope this does not happen to you. God be with you.

@@icecreamladydriver1606 Very true. When leaving the LDS church there is of course a sense of freedom since you no longer have artificial constraints. However, with this very easily comes apathy since everything is up to you now. There are a lot of advantages to the LDS church. The danger is when you think it is the end goal and not a tool.

Well said. The church underwent so many changes that we wouldn't even recognize it today.

What a load of nonsense. Brigham Young was a prophet of God. Take your false doctrine and slander elsewhere

@@donaldjones9830 Why are you being so negative? Can you response with logic? It is much easier to reason about.

@@uncorrelatedmormonism I’m not negative. I don’t like people slandering past presidents of the Church. Were you alive when they were? Nope. Brigham Young was the prophet of the Church from 1847 to 1877. You have no idea how they looked at things and why certain things, unfortunate or not happened in Church history. Yet you make the comment to him as Well said. Why do you allow people to slander the Church on your videos here. I don’t defend everything they said or did in the past if was wrong, but I’m not the one to judge them. Yet you assume I’m negative and neither of you can refute anything I say. Simply convinced? No, the Saints knew he was the Prophet. He was transfigured in front of them with the voice and appearance of Joseph. So stop with the nonsense both of you. I’m betting neither of you will be watching General Conference this weekend. I bet President Nelson announces 20 more temples and talks about Monday)# eclipse.

I wish this was wrong, however the LDS church today seems more interested in conformity and control than with getting people to Christ.

@@uncorrelatedmormonism But they do draw nigh unto Him with their lips. LOL

As if the prophet knows of every sin happening in the Church……. Give me a break.

@@donaldjones9830 Can you clarify what you mean?

@@donaldjones9830 Not sure what you are saying. Do you realize that Nelson is a member of the skull and bones as well as the owl and key?

I would agree. The original church was never like that. We have fallen so far that most are now defending the church that is harming them.

I think you missed my point. There are however plenty of people who can't afford tithing.

Did I claim the leaders are free to do as they please? If I did then I didn't mean that. I personally believe in common consent. The members should be free to follow God or not, but it should be their choice. Currently the members have no choice. They either follow the leaders or leave the church.

@@uncorrelatedmormonismI agree with your statement. It’s amazing how people just take comments out of context. It’s obnoxious how members cherry pick what to follow from the prophet or not. Although I had a conversation with you to figure out where you stood, let me remind everyone that I’m going to disagree with people here but I’m civil. But some people here, unlike you, seem to think it’s ok to question my integrity and intentions here. I do so when I get mixed messages which many channels run by Church members do so. Many speculate about many topics from the Second Coming to past statements by previous prophets of the Church. It’s not that I want to judge or assume these people on their channel are not good members of the Church. It’s my right to ask questions and comment on their videos. It’s to help me understand them. Obviously I have a lot of discontent and frustration with members who can’t tell me they know the Church is true. They often seem more interested in going off on tangents with topics with heavy speculation and often spouting misinformation and false doctrine and do so often by what political party they belong to. Too many members just argue and find fault with me because they browbeat me into forcing me to agree with them. How unChristlike. It doesn’t matter if we are talking about Trump, the Second Coming, agency, elections, common consent, or whatever it is. But if they leave the Church, they comment and criticize the Church for its doctrine, refusing to take responsibility for their own actions. Social media is a cesspool of hate and division and propaganda and when I see members repeatedly promoting hearsay, false doctrine, political propaganda, hate, name calling and speculation, it makes me wonder how they call themselves members of the Church. Have Church members forgotten President Nelson’s talk from last April on civil discourse? Speaking for others is another form of gossip. I’m glad I don’t use Facebook any longer. Dealing with church members on it has been irritating at best. Always like the political left, know it alls. Always correcting others. Even here. Calling out a bishop for mispronunciation of Elder Renlund’s name and then bringing politics into it to justify his hate for the Church. It’s apparent to me that a lot of members of the Church need to repent and stop promoting false doctrine, speculation and promoting contention on social media. Promoting views inconsistent with Church policy is wrong also. I believe the prophet was speaking revelation that the members needed to vaccinated from COVID. As Trump said, minus the curse word, What the **** do you have to lose. He is right.

@@donaldjones9830 Yes, it does seem there is so much garbage on social media and the internet in general. It also doesn't really help that anything that rises in popularity is essentially just confirming everyone's biases. If you tell people what they want to hear then you will get views quick. This leads to a terrible echo chamber that makes people feel better about their wrong beliefs.

Thank you for your thoughts. I don't think the LDS church is abusive, however I think some of their actions are certainly.

What do you mean specifically? I never claimed they condoned child abuse. I did however say that in the specific case I mentioned that they didn't report the abuse to the police. This would have saved the younger daughter from being abused as well.

@@uncorrelatedmormonismAnd the Lord will deal with it. We often don’t know all the facts.. Hopefully the victims get help.

How so? Can you expound on this? You could be right, however I am not sure what you mean.

You're saying everything logical to respond with is not worth your time? Am I not worth your time or is the LDS church not worth your time? Your comment is quite vague.

But you did respond. So by saying you didn’t want to, you unintentionally mislead people here, making us think you actually disagree with the video without saying so. I agree with the Channel owner here. Your comment is vague and dishonest and disrespectful.

@@donaldjones9830 Its basically a digital backhand slap. The content is upsetting, which I totally understand, and they wanted to tell me I was wrong without using any kind of logical argument. Therefore in their minds they "won" and I "lost". I will never fault anyone for sincerely believing anything. I understand faith is a spectrum and we move through it at various times of our lives. At one time I was a staunch believer in following the prophet exactly in whatever he says. Now I want to follow the scriptures in whatever they say. The way to grow though is through logical exploration which it seems is lost on a lot of people today.

@@uncorrelatedmormonism The scriptures come from the prophet through God, think the Word of Wisdom. By the way, there is a difference between a generalized topic on a video and a story of that topic as the reason for the topic. At first I didn’t realize you were coming from a specific story on the topic. The thumbnail should have reflected that. Instead it looks like you are blaming the Church and accusing it of encouraging abuse. Because of that, your thumbnail is not only misleading, it reflects poorly and dishonestly and disrespectful on your part. The people in the Church are not the Church. The Church is a vehicle. The fact that another person on here agreed with me while doing so independently of my comments while I never noticed his comments till after I commented, means that people are upset with how you presented the topic. Not finding fault here, I’m merely pointing out an observation. Technically it’s against RU-vid rules to mislead people with the thumbnail topic. There is no way the Church encourages abuse and that includes tithing or any doctrine. The Church condones and condemns all forms of breaking the law including the laws of other countries. To do a video that implies the Church encourages any violations of the law, when you know that there is dishonest members who do so in which the leadership must deal with, if they know about it, simply is dishonest on your part. I agree the topic is one of disgust and is sensitive. But one should be more honest and not blaming the Church leadership for what you think is abuse. It sends the message the Church is bad and encourages others to leave it by commenting how members that leave telling stories that either they were victims unfortunately of it, or accuses someone unfairly of it, in which they decided to leave by thinking that means the Church isn’t true. Unfortunately no member is perfect, but our actions can and do affect how others see the Church. It’s ridiculous that I must point out certain things to people in the Church regardless of whether they create a post, channel or comment. I do think that following the teachings in the scriptures is part of following the prophet. I’m not here to judge anyone, but I’m disappointed that members just don’t get certain things. One doesn’t get to decide what constitutes doctrine, what doctrine they will follow, or inserting politics to justify how they follow doctrine or policies of the Church. Have a good week. Thank you for responding to me. I appreciate your content, regardless of whether I agree with it or not

@@uncorrelatedmormonism Also, thank you for telling me that people wanted you to be dishonest and whitewash it. It helps when people are honest. You called them out. But I think the video could have been handled better. Now that you know they coerced you, remember they are not the Church or the leadership. Coercion by disregarding of agency of others is abuse. Do we always respect the agency of others? Are we always honest with ourselves and others? The real irony is all sin involves three things, 1. Pride, 2 Coveting and 3 Lying. It means the 10 Commandments are bloated when God could just tell us all sin involves those three things. This admission is why this conversation was necessary. Not knowing things about the topic or your reasons left me questioning your membership and motives in the first place. Knowing more now is very useful. I commend you for that. That is how you get people to listen to a video and agree with you, is by being honest including with the thumbnail. But we need to encourage people who comment on said videos to do the same. I think we both learned something about each other from this conversation here. I’m finished with the video and will leave it alone, barring more comments from others who think they understand where I’m coming from when they don’t.

Can you be more specific? What is a lie?

I agree. Abuse occurs in every religion and culture. Social media is nothing but lies and abuse. Just look at the mainstream media and both political parties for example

Agreed.

I hope you two (mikeboy & donald) wake up from your awful situation soon. There are people who are truly living the Doctrine of Christ. They pray the prayer, ie Father, pls strip away from me anything and everything thou deems necessary, for me to posses a broken heart and contrite spirit. You are essentially obeying the law of Moses with all your performances & ordinances you are living the gospel? There's nothing to "hack" on the 'covenant path'. Read section 84 and replace the name of Moses with Joseph Smith, and maybe you'll start to catch on.

@@americanmanstan2381 Well, well. Another person finding fault. So typical on this video.

Can you be more specific? It is hard to have a discussion with a comment like this.

@@uncorrelatedmormonism Hard to have a discussion? Are you a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or are you here to lead people astray of it? What is your intent with these videos on your channel? To uplift others and bring them to Christ, or to find fault with the Church and its leaders? Please be honest and make yourself clear. I’m not here to judge.

@@donaldjones9830 How does my affiliation, or lack thereof, affect the truth of my claims? Are you suggesting though that if someone were to join the LDS church then the truth of something changes?

@@uncorrelatedmormonism I’m not understanding some of the comments and intent here. Some seem defending the Church, others don’t. The real question is for everyone here, Do you have a testimony of the Church? Can you answer all temple recommend questions honestly? Do you uphold and sustain the Brethren of the Church, including local authorities like your bishop and stake President? I’m not trying to be personal. I’m very curious and confused. You have people commenting how they agree so they leave the Church. We should all be striving to follow President Nelson’s peacemaker talk and use the Spirit to teach the gospel. It seems like social media is the devil’s tool to divide us and attack the Church. Have a good Sabbath.

@@donaldjones9830 We should see truth not conformity with the LDS church.