Re do this episode and use an actual straight person. Make them actually lie and not have to explain their identity and sexualities as not queer. Whether or not he identifies as straight there are those who feel that the representation is considered queer. Anything that's not heterosexual and monogamous (with the exception of polygamy as that can lead to abuse) is queer but not necessarily a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Queer or strange is by definition something that isn't the norm. Queer in regards to people and sexualities as well as gender identity can be any identity that's not monogamous and heterosexual. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
agree 100%, i commented about the comment someone made ab cis men, they were trying to be woke but separated trans men from cis men and infantilised us whilst doing so
travis gave me the ick with that ‘what do you prefer’ question. as a bi person it’s so annoying because it’s like they’re trying to see how ‘out there’ you are, to see if they believe in your queerness, if you’re gay enough etc and making a judgement based off that. they also always expect me (a bi woman) to say i prefer men so they can discredit me but i MUCH prefer women. i hate the question so much
i also hate that question. i'm also a bi woman and i prefer men, but that doesn't mean i don't like woman. i feel like in the online community there's always so big competition to see who's the "most gay" or "most oppressed" and it's so annoying and invalidating
Every bi person has experienced this. I remember talking about this when I was a youngling, that was decades ago and it's still happening. I know people *think* it's an innocent question, but it's not.
@@taylorelizabeth9018 "or "most oppressed" and it's so annoying and invalidating" That happened when victim hood became a form of currency. It's the same reason why people list their self diagnosed mental disorders in their profile and go around saying how depressed they are like it makes them more attractive.
I felt so bad for Deven. The way everyone, especially Travis, treated them, it must’ve felt so invalidating. You can clearly see they were uncomfortable the entire video.
@@ast3ri4._.they’d probably be like “Oh you’re asexual? So like, you like no one? That must be pretty weird” and they are talking to an asexual alloromantic person 💀💀💀
"Are you an ally" No to stereotype but like, someone who is in a polyam relationship with bisexual partners, and is they/them, you can safely *guess* they are an ally.
Well I know a lot of cis white men who are extremely racist and have Asian girlfriends. So I don't the partner they have necessarily means they are allies to their partner
@@cmbsr4851 ok but does that relate to the ally part for the community? If the black or brown person is dating a racist Asian, then that's awful and is similar to what I said, but if just saying it to insult Asians then I don't see why you think it's necessary
@@AznYunHou that's like saying what you said was insult cis white men? Like how can you say something about about people then try and make someone else seem like theyre "making fun" . Racism isn't funny ?
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You forgot "Insecure" 100% insecure, like no need to snap on someone JUST because you feel so insecure around them. He must have felt like a potato sack and it shows by how rude they acted to that person and only that person.
I’m so glad the comments are with me on this video being extremely invalidating. As a bisexual non-binary person I’m not only extremely upset about the biphobia but also the fact that people think non-binary people aren’t queer
Travis feels like the typical person who would put UNAPOLOGETICALLY QUEER in their instagram bio and literally doesn’t apologize for calling someone a horse girl
@@FakYuhGoogel it's basically derogatory term for girls who love horses. Typically a girl who wears jeans, a belt buckle, plaid shirt and long hair that looks like a horse tail. Just describing the stereotype. To call someone a horse girl to their face is pretty rude.
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@@sola_a thank you.. I really didn't understand how that was rude either. Many do have a preference. It's like with straight people. Just because you're a straight male don't mean you can't have a preference in girls either.
@@sola_a Normally it's an honest and respectful question but the investigation in this video has a bias that queer =\\= straight, so they were trying to gauge 'suspicion' by how much someone leaned toward homosexuality.
@@leopardsunI think of it that it depends if you identify with the term. But when the person says “non-binary doesn’t inherently mean queer” that hits different than a non-binary person themselves saying they don’t identify with the word.
After this I feel the definition is whatever the contestant says it is for them. It's like that episode where the "straight person" was still LGBTQ. Technically correct, but kinda putting off 😒
The actual definition of queer is anyone who is gender dysphoric or same-sex attracted. Today, that, unfortunately, has changed. Gen Z has taken it way too far. They have created new words like non-binary, demisexual, pansexual, etc., allowing for literally anyone to be a part of the community. They are asking pronouns, all of that dumbshit. This did not exist ten years ago, and now it is OVERBLOWN.
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Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (FORGOT REFERENCE). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
To me Devens is definitely in the queer community for just the fact that they are non-binary. So, this episode definitely felt..idk. Felt like they should have just gotten a straight cis person to be the mole.
Well Devens said they aren't queer, so, no they're not. Regardless of your personal definitions, simply being LGBT+ doesn't necessarily mean everyone views things the same way; and I feel like it's disingenuous to loop everyone into a category they're not comfortable in just because it's easier. This comment, to me, felt very invalidating so maybe think on that a bit more.
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 okay, so then they're in the lgbtq community. queer is a blanket term which is the context this was used in, but for the sake of ur argument, devens is in the lgbtq community. the implication here was that the mole would be an allocishet person, which devens was not.
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@@thatcitrusfriend6234 your argumentation makes zero sense since it is exactly the "personal definition" that you are referring to that makes them say they are not queer when in reality the definition with the general consens is that everyone who is not hetero cis is queer. everything else makes no sense. i can't say i am a woodchopper just because my definition is different from the one in the dictionary
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 this might sounds rude but the truth is, queer and sexuality has objective definition, it’s not really something that you identify and change the definition as you like. You can’t identify as straight but date and have sex with someone who has the same sex and gender as you, not how it works.
I’m nonbinary and for that reason I identify as queer. The term “queer” includes everything under the trans umbrella, including nonbinary. It’s disheartening that the person who’s “not queer” is who I relate to the most. I feel invalidated. Trans and enby people built the queer community, don’t kick them out.
This video struck me as a bad stereotype that straight and queer are mutually exclusive. "Straight" can also lose meaning for enby people if there isn't really an 'opposite' gender
This! I’m not nonbinary, i am however a trans demi guy(with a touch if kingender) and my gender is LITTERALY the most queer part of my identity. I am panromantic and asexual too… and gender nonconforming, but my gender is without doubt the thing i feel is most queer. I joke that i’m the embodiment of queer.
literally like they should have gotten a straight person, not a nonbinary polyamorous person. like even if you don't identify as "queer" that's not a clear line. you could be a lesbian and not identify as "queer"
So much of this video ticked me off. Travis invalidating others, the biphobia and the mole being part of the LGBT anyway. As a gay person (bi in questioning) biphobia is a HUGE problem in our community and it's sad this amount of toxicity exists in our community.
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As a bi women, I HATE the “who do you perfer” question, like if I answer a certain way does it make my queerness more valid? Also why do I have to have a preference, can’t I just state my sexuality and you respect it?
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I would say more of a "Insecure mindset" notice how he was only rude to the extremely attractive person. No hate to the others everyone seemed nice but the person he snapped at, would literally make you turn back twice because of how attractive they are. He definitely felt insecure around them.
Well, he is a "golden gay" after all. Because obviously if you're a gay person who's been in a het relationship in the past, you're not "as gay" as a gay person who never has. Bisexuals similarly get their queerness measured by how much same-sex experience they have vs opposite-sex experience. He definitely comes across as a gatekeeper.
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@@intensehummingofevil Exactly its so disrespectful and people like that make me not wanna be part of the community. I'm a gay guy but cos I don't 'dress gay' and don't 'act gay' I'd probably get voted off immediately
Can we get a redo of this episode with the mole actually being straight and only sticking to there assigned gender at birth. Cause this was hard they are someone who uses they them pronouns so it was difficult to find the mole cause they are a part of the community to some degree. They just don’t use queer as a term
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@@ikuyazaii5877 personally i felt like when travis was attacking devens abt which gender do they like more to see if they were any less bisexual was definitely biphobia. if devens is bisexual… why does it matter which gender they like more… they’re still bi at the end of the day???😭😭
Just a reminder to everyone; You never have to "prove" your queerness. "Looking/acting gay" does not make you gay or queer, in the same way not "looking/acting gay" doesn't make you not queer. You don't have to sound or dress like you think gay people do or should, because what makes somebody queer has absolutely nothing to do with how they present and everything to do with how they feel inside. You should never feel like you aren't queer enough, just because you aren't a "golden gay" or you don't relate to the majority of those under the queer label. You should never feel like a stranger in your own community.
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@@user-fp4pm4ey6c with comparing bisexuality and pansexuality based only off trans people is transphobic itself. trans women ARE women (vise versa with men) so why would anyone want to a label that separates that.
@@user-fp4pm4ey6c no. I'm sure you didn't mean it in a bad way but that is an extreme bi and transphobic thing to even imply. Bi - attraction to more than 1 gender. Can be only 2 or even more. Pan - attraction regardless of gender. Sexuality is a fluid thing, definitions are not set in stone and people will feel comfortable with different labels. Sure, there are bi people who will onlt date cis people but that is their own preferences and has nothing to do with bisexuality. In general however, bi includes trans people and has ALWAYS done so
Some feedback for Jubilee as a trans person who enjoys all their videos: The comment about being attracted to trans people as separate to being attracted to men and women was made by two people in the video, which is not great trans rep for a queer video, and there should have been a trans person in the cast, the only non-cis person was the mole, which I find quite odd.
its interesting to see how different ppl define the word queer. automatically, devens was targeted for dating a woman when they could've just been bi/pan, and as a nonbinary person i certainly did a double take at the idea of nonbinary not equalling queer as if queerness doesn't also involve gender. i think the misconstrued episode title makes the reveal fall flat because genderwise devens literally counts as queer. should've done "6 gay people vs 1 liar" if they weren't gonna use the full definition of the word queer.
Except the word queer doesn't always apply to everyone, and Devens doesn't count as that if he doesn't use it? As I understand it's an umbrella term, so I don't see it as being a big deal. I'm also personally taken aback by the amount of LGBT+ ppl in this comment section not understanding or accepting this.
@ThatCitrusFriend Making the mole an lgbtq person perpetuates a harmful stereotype that non binary and poly individuals are either invalid, or not really part of the lgbtq community, since "queer" is an umbrella term applied to the lgbtq community, so it just seems really insensitive on Jubilee's part that they did not specify that this would be about the individals use of the label "Queer" and not lgbtq people versus a cishet mole.
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Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 The main problem is how the mole was someone that most would define as Queer, meaning that it would be hard/unfair for people to find the mole.
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"For a community that claims to hate judgement" Ahahaha, I don't think the LGBT community even says that lie anymore, even they don't believe it. This is a video where someone says she hates cis men and they all laughed. The community is very hateful and judgemental. It will eventually implode and it'll result in us going back in time to where gay people are targeted, harassed, hated and assaulted. And as someone who grew up through a time close to that and tried to help gay people be accepted, that really angers me. I remember when straight people also wanted to be able to be proud of who they are, and gay people acted like children snapping a toy away and said "no, you can't have that". I didn't fight for that, I fought for all people to be proud of who they are. No requirements necessary. Especially considering barely any gay people have gone through any hardships in their lives these days, they're all privileged with a wanna be victim complex.
Aside from the gay community being notoriously racist, community and people are two different things. These people are people and not a community. Is there a "heterosexual" community?
This whole video made no sense wth - "just because they're nonbinary doesn't mean they're queer" (????) - a whole lgbt person being considered the "mole" just because they don't like the term Queer - travis being a weirdo
@@Raven_RVN No, absolutely not. I meant that, to me, personally, it is not fair that they can play the game as "the mole" when they clearly are part of the community, just not comfortable with the label itself.
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@@viniciusgrassi7544 not only that, some young audiences who may think they are non binary could be misinformed about how they do not belong in the queer term
Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer. So they're part of the LGBT community but not part of the queer community
One honest question - in 4:27 , Elizabeth talks about her reservations on calling herself bi because she dated trans ppl, but isn’t bisexuality supposed to mean that you are attracted to all genders? Or even if we were to define it as strict attraction to men and women (which is not the definition but some ppl do) wouldn’t trans people also be included in that definition?
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Which it's fine that language is flexible but they should have made it clear to the participants and the audience at the beginning of the video what definition they were running with.
@@wendymacy5084 Queer officially has no definition other than 'strange/odd'. In terms of anything beyond that 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (Halperin, 1995). Queer and LGBT are two separate terms which *some* people consider as being the same even though officially they aren't. This was the issue as there's no agreed definition so jubilee should've just used a cis straight person
Even if I had to look up if there's a special meaning for horse girl (more than just the obvious), I instantly knew it wasn't MEANT to be nice or even non-judgemental just by the way he said it
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@@vishisht4224 apparently it's "A crazy, middle class, white girl who is obsessed with horses" in a very annoying kinda sense. They also write about them being basic but kinky or seeing people as less worthy/interesting/lovable than horses
I get that you can choose not to identify with the word "queer" itself, but I thought this was going to be about who is not LGBTQ+ aka Queer Community. My non-binary partner and I (cis woman) are also poly and we both identify as queer for many reasons. I am so confused by this episode. If it was just about finding the person that does not like to use the word queer to identify themself, it didn't seem like the participants even knew. Lol. Have we just been using this word wrong?
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@@MORNINGSTAR827 Exactly, which is why this episode doesn't make any sense. "Queer" is such a broad term, but not everyone who is LGBTQ+ identifies as queer. Without a uniformed definition (for the purpose of this video), this game is just a mess.
4:39 bisexual has always and WILL ALWAYS include trans people, you should in no way feel limited by it if that's how you always thought of it....why would they say something as biphobic as that and then continue to separate trans ppl as if they were an entirely different category, you can be straight and date someone trans bc trans ppl are always included in any sexuality. bisexual literally means attracted to two or more genders, so it can include up to all genders and even outside the gender spectrum(non-binary, genderfluid, etc), stop the biphobia
YES thank you for saying this! As a bi person, I feel like we get told that our label is not inclusive because people think it just includes men and women when in reality it can be anyone and everyone of all identities
No, BIsexual quite literally means - by the very definition of the word - being attracted to both sexes, meaning TWO (as there are only two sexes). Polysexual is really a misnomer, but is meant to encompass people who are trans-identified. Stop the ignorance.
To clarify - Queer is anything not cisgender/heterosexual - Being non-binary is queer, as it’s not cisgender - It’s okay if someone doesn’t use that term to describe themselves personally - But when talking about groups of people and their identities queer is the most generic umbrella term - Yes queer in the past was used in a derogatory was (BUT SO WAS GAY WHEN I WAS GAY AND GROWING UP). We can reclaim words and queer is more popular now. - This episode is like the disney fan/hater one where the premise delivered isn’t what was actually promised by the title
Hiii! I want to learn as much as I can about the LGBT+ community, can any one explain what it means to be Non-binary and whats cisgender? So far, I've seen different definitions of it.
Being non-binary is not inherently queer. Being apart of the community is also not inherently queer. Assuming someone is something, but just doesn't use the label is ridiculous because why else would they not use it? It doesn't apply to them. Simply put: You don't get to decide someone's identities for them regardless of your personal definitions. It's invalidating and disrespectful, so maybe stop it?
"Are you an ally though?" That question is so annoying, I would've taken that chance to jokingly say "Nope, I'm here to identify you all so I can hunt you down later". Not because I ever would, just because the question is very clearly redundant.
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@@sola_a well, because first off; You don't need to be an ally. This is cult-like behaviour. "You are either one of us or you are the enemy". Secondly, because he's literally there pretending to be one of them for fun. It's highly, HIGHLY unlikely that someone who hates them, would be up for that. Considering they hate gays out of shame, and they'd literally be filmed posing as gay. They would literally never live that down. So yes, it's 100% redundant. It's like being on a children's playground. Grow up.
@@theBabyDead The least you could do is respect THEIR pronouns. well she wasn't asking them to be an ally she was asking them if they are one, so not sure what you're getting at in the first part there. And second, again it is pretty fair to not assume. As mentioned in my first comment, there are more than enough weird combinations of homophobic gay people and what not, the world is wild.
As much as I love the premise of this, the mole should have definitely been a monogamous, cis het person. Jubilee is messing with the intricacies of identity and I don’t love that this invalidates nb’s and polysexuals by saying that they aren’t queer by extension because devens isn’t. They’re comfortable in their identity, but younger viewers watching this may think that if they’re non-binary, they’re not queer or part of the community. This feels like a missed opportunity for queers to show off their superior gaydars and the ending made me frustrated. with love, Sabrina
This isn't saying being NB means you cant be queer, it just (rightfully) points out that being LGBT and queer are two separate, albeit often overlapping things.
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Hi Sabrina this is misleading from you. I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
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The root problem with these videos is that instead of trying to find THE LIAR they turn it into a competition and try to find the lesser - whatever the prompt is (less vegan, less gay, etc.) And while doing that they start being offensive
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This video made me super uncomfy, the mistreatment, biphobia, the stereotypes, the rude questions, ugh. This video should not have been made as it is all about determining if someone “seems queer enough.” It’s so judgemental and relies on harmful stereotypes.
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I'm Bi and that does not exclude trans people nor has it ever in history. Even if you think Bi means 2 genders umm Trans people would fit into that, as I see them as the gender they identify as. But also that's not what Bi means anyway. It's basically saying I like people of my own gender and theirs's. I personally do not like Pansexual cause it's not more inclusive and many claim its basically not seeing gender. When it comes to just attraction I definitely find men, women and nonbinary folks attractive for different reasons.
Pansexual:1.) Attraction to all gender identities, gender expression and sexes. 2.) Attraction to people regardless of gender or sex Bisexual: attraction to more than one gender. Yes pansexual has two definitions , which has caused confusion. The label pansexual was actually created by bi people. The bi community at large accepts pansexuality, and considers it as under the bi umbrella. Yes some pansexuals disagree with this- kinda like how not all LGBT+ people ID as queer. - I am bisexual and pansexual
@@Kitty4u Thank you for commenting the definitions!!! As a pansexual woman, I persoanlly always felt like pansexual IS more inclusive and just less boxy. But that has to do with that fact that only in recent years bisexual has become defined as attraction to more than 1 gender vs. when it used to be known as attraction to "both" genders.
@@Its_tiy bisexual has had several definitions some inclusive others not. But bisexuals have been being inclusive for a long time, it's not new. Bi community at large defines at with the more than one gender way. With that said many people can feel attraction to nonbinary people, including straight and gay people.
I WISH i was in this vid cuz i would absolutely shut them down on their biphobia.. you can be bi and still like men more, you can be bi and like trans people, you can be bi and like whatever gender you like. Almost everything these ppl said were bad takes imo
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Yeah, it is. I'm not sure what the people in the video thought it meant, but most of us use queer as an alternative word to "LGBTQ+", or as a general term to describe our own identities.
technically it is, some people just dont feel comfy w the label bc of its history (which is valid, totally up to them). but it was a bad idea to choose a non binary poly person for that position
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Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
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bruh i love how aboslutely everyone was offended by this video, both the participants and the audience alike lmao (i'm not dunking on anyone i also felt uneasy to say the least)
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i feel weird because queer now is not just a label, is also when you want to say you're apart of the lgbt community. so if you're non-binary, you're queer, because you're in the community, no?
@@FakYuhGoogel yeah, you can choose to label yourself as queer or not to, it's really all about how you feel about yourself and how you relate to a the label, as for any lgbt+ label
this was a really fun episode and fun group but some of the definitions of “queer” seem to differ among the viewers, producers, and people in the video :)
It was happens when a term starts an insult to homosexuals and people try to claim it as a "gender identification, sexuality, etc" these videos make me wanna start my own lol they seem interesting
@@aya_amoreee yes. But they mean something that everyone agrees upon. If the community itself doesn't even agree on the words then it's a made up word that doesn't mean anything.
Counting Devens as the mole because they don't identify as queer is TECHNICALLY correct, but also I think it opens up a really messy discussion about what queer means and how it applies to people as a whole, whether they feel they are a part of the community or not. Hmm. I would definitely say Devens is queer, but I respect that Devens doesn't identify with the label. I just also think there's a better way to have this discussion (maybe a middle ground episode?) and to keep "odd one out" (ironic title for this) as the typical "cis straight person pretending to be queer". It's hard for me to put into words. Devens, you are welcome to identify however you want! You're valid, you do you, and just know that there is always a place for you in the queer community if you ever need or want it.
Can we just take a second to acknowledge that "gold star gay/lesbian" or "golden gay/lesbian" are not terms that are okay. They are very derogatory towards people who hadn't figured out their sexuality until later or for other reasons have been in non-gay relationships. The term holds a superiority complex and should be completely removed from our dictionaries
i was so bothered by this thank you. its fucked up to see queer people practically saying theyre better than other queer people because they havent slept with the opposite sex?? super outdated
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travis was wrong asking the “which one do u prefer” cuz since they said girls he gave like a “disgusting” look like he was expecting the other one to say “boys” since they were “queer”
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JUBILEE I HAVE AN IDEA. grab an amount of people that all share the same thing in common but none of them know what it is and they have to figure it out and if they do, they win a prize. OR it could be like an odd one out video where they all have something in common except one person and that one person knows what the topic is but they are trying to get rid of them even though they dont know who theyre trying to get rid of.
this is one of the worst episodes ever I was expecting the mole to be someone who was cis gender and hetrosexual not someone who is LGBT but not queer that would have been a much better episode its like doing a guess the non black person but the mole was mixed black and white or something
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I feel like some of the people misunderstood the meaning of the word queer. It literally just means a person who isn’t cis or straight. It doesn’t just mean gay
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Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
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Hi, I study Media BA (Hons) and one of the main areas I've focused on is Queer Theory. To answer your question, in regards to queer, 'there is nothing in particular to which it refers' (N.R.). You can be queer and not be LGBT and you can be LGBT and not be queer. I'm a gay guy and I'm not queer
The person that said being nonbinary doesn’t count as queer is so ridiculous, and Travis’s endless targeting towards Devens is disgusting🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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@@notime9616 aye if nobody cares you gotta start calling all non LGBTQ female celebrities by he and male celebrities be she. Also you can call your mum he and dad a she. Because no one cares🤷🏼♀️ it's zero effort to call someone by their pronoun
When Netia said non binary doesn't make you queer, I don't know what she was talking about lol. Some don't identify with queer but anyone in the lgbtq can identify with queer. I am non binary, gay or, to put it in broad terms queer.
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