8 Strings....Why Don't You Just Use Pitch Effects Instead? | Pete Cottrell 

Random Username If you like that idea give Humanity's Last Breath a listen. They do that kind of stuff all the time, it's ridiculous!

Andy Wears I'll give it a try, thanks mate

fuck yes that would be awesome!!!

Drop Zb

LoL, yeah at this point we still haven't gone low enough, after all I can still hear the notes.

the crazy thing is a eq or boost may fix that lol its neat

6 years late, but that's a great way to describe it!

Yes! You are the expert when it comes to downtuning.

It sounds perfect for 4 semitones or less, then it's a bit muddy.

What about uppitching?

why would you pitch something up use a capo instead lul

ritzmat So you don't have to feel like you're playing on a tiny guitar with very little spaces between the frets.

not just a loss in clarity, but the sustain is lacking ever so slightly compared to the 8 string, i would definitely try one of these pitch shifters after seeing this though, fun stuff!

I actually have what I think might be this same Whammy (hard to keep track of all the different iterations) and I actually used to use it for a similar purpose; i used to practice with a band a long time ago and they played in a different tuning so I had a Floyd rose on a very heavily drop tuned 6 string that I liked to take and a differemt guitar that was tuned in standard, whereas they played around C# or so, so I would just use the whammy to get either guitar to the right spot. There's a few caveats however; it's not polyphonic, so even 5th dyad power chords can make it lose track for a split second. Furthermore the pitch shifting effect is very noticeable when playing clean passages, however some might argue that it adds a certain flair to the sound that can be admirable. Thirdly, its ability to pitch shift is dependant on the pickup and tone you set your guitar to; a neck pickup with the tone rolled off yields fewer harmonic overtones compared to the "heavy metal riffer go-to", and confuses the pedal less often. One more thing... if I'm not mistaken, the whammy pedals use an LED-film mechanism in leui of a potentiometer; basically an led emits a light (visible or not) and the rocker pedal moves a film in between it and a sensor, and the film acts as a shade that is thicker on one end then the other so as you rock the pedal it "dims" the return signal to that sensor. Now, I'm not saying I know exactly how these mechanisms work or that I've seen a Whammy pedal do this, but I did have a line 6 floor board with the same mechanism in a volume pedal, and one day playing a gig in the sunlight, as the day went on and the sunlight shifted, my volume slowly fluctuated over the course of the day and required adjustment... Not a huge deal but I wonder if the whammy would slowly tune sharp or flat the same way.

I actually like that "loss in clarity" you talk about, it focuses the sound and makes the mix more balanced.

ChristianIce you mean the slight attenuation of the higher treble frequencies? I've noticed that as well but when I maint the flair from the pitch shift algorithm, I was referring to that noodling sound you hear when the algorithm temporarily misinterpreted the signal and the pitch wobbles a little bit, it adds almost like a random tremolo-esque effect or a watery sound that reminds me of the intro to "floods by pantera

+RObert That maybe the case, but there are better pitch shifters out now with better algorithms and less delay. The Whammy is almost 30 years old :)

Pete Cottrell does it work for djent

Works very well but i have to say the clarity of the 8 string was far superior :) but in a pinch pitch effects works well enough

Pete Cottrell Its not very far off with pitch shifting.

so 9 strings for 2019?

10 string in 2020 ????

Gear Gods i love that groovy tune . Add some shuggs here and there and hey you gooo ! Awesome

Michael floyd any chance we can hear that ??

Michael floyd show us master

I kind of like that with my DigiTech Drop. I mean, on a down-tuned 6 string with a standard scale length, thicker strings would give a slightly muddier/bassier sound due to more mass

Interesting. The Whammy pedal I used is from like 2004, so it's pretty old. I assume the Drop pedal is largely based on the original Whammy circuitry just without the expression pedal so it's really cool to hear that it's improved. Thanks for watching dude! :)

Agufish I agree. have it too and passed 4 or more semitones gets really muddy quite fast. also HI HUNTER

The Digitech Drop works well for distorted riffing but I think it's quirks are quite noticeable when used clean playing chords or arpeggios.

Pete, check out the Whammy DT, it's a whammy plus has the digitech drop pedal built in with the addition of being able to go up in tuning as well. I don't really notice any latency, it does get a bit muddy beyond 5 semi-tones.

What about the esp 256

Zantrop64 I absolutely agree with you on this.

my exact thought

No, the mud comes from the pedal. If you’ve ever played with a pitch pedal, it kills a lot of clarity.

Agreed. The scale length shouldn't be much of an issue since the 6 string was still tuned to normal tension.

Zantrop64 It's because the pedal tunes the whole signal down, so it takes both the fundamental and the harmonics down, resulting in basically no high end.

You could also record a regular-pitched dry signal of your 6 string guitar, and just use some program to pitch shift the whole track after it has been recorded. That way you don't have to buy an 8-string or an effects pedal c:

you would still lose the harmonics and the clarity, so why work with it

how about a harley benton? im buying an fanned fret 7 string to upgrade from my washburn

@@fenui cus it's cheap and we broke

I don't know if three years ago there weren't any pitch shifting VST plugins available, but Pitchproof works really well and it's free. I'm assuming you use a DAW (and if not, Tracktion works pretty well aside from some minor issues, like a couple plugins I've tried not being compatible enough to use effectively, but it's free and does the job). A lot of VST technology has progressed rapidly where there isn't much of a noticeable difference between hardware and software, so if you're on a significant budget, go the VST plugin route. Even the high quality plugins that have a price tag are still much cheaper than the hardware versions they emulate. I have to use mostly free plugins though, because I'm always near broke. I did end up buying an amp sim plugin and a bass guitar sim plugin though, because free versions aren't very good. ($50 for the amp sim (Amped Roots) and $80 for the bass guitar sim (Eurobass II, which is pretty much designed for metal))

What VST do you use for doing that?

I just use the built-in pitch adjustment feature in Mixcraft Pro Studio 8 because it works really well. I think most DAWs have one, but I'm not sure.

If you play the same riff with 1 semitone difference over eachother simultaneously... Try playing a melody on the piano using 2 adjacent keys for every note and you'll find out lol. Well, I quad track my guitar and use both regular chords and transposed notes under them. I really don't want to plug my channel here but you can hear what it sounds like in my most recent videos. I personally really like the sound.

Well, a 5, 7 or even a 3 step difference is actually harmonic. 1, 6 or 11 steps would be dissonant or augmented, which are generally considered unpleasant to listen to.

Ok.

Thanks for watching! :)

I need to check one of those out, interesting concept :)

Mary Spender has one in one of her Vigiers...

evilution little thunder is fricking awesome

VladKV2 The difference is all about the amount of strings and the scale lenght. A true baritone guitar is not shorter than 27” - which means that a 8-string that have a scale lenght of 27” (or longer) is a baritone, which a 6-string of the same lenght also is. The only benefit of the 8-string (or anything that have more than 6-strings) is the extended frequency range (either 5 extra lower or higher seminotes).

Oh, I see. Thanks! :)

VladKV2 most common use of all the range is in deathcore or double hand prog tapping

check out Andrew Baena. he just compared a baritone 30" six to a nine string 30"

Can't seem to find it. Maybe it's not listed. I'll keep an eye out for it. Thanks!

Gibsoad Studios the digitech DROP pedal does exactly that but it is more compact

do u have this one or the one thats around 260-300? Is one better than the other?

Ricardo Pieper >using an 8 string >cares about mids and highs K

Why not? The string produces a sound wave with many overtones (like waves on top of each other, combining into one). Eliminate the mids and highs and it will sound too muddy. No djent, even on an 8 string. These overtones can actually be "selected" and "filtered"... which is exactly what natural/pinch harmonics do.