I was thinking the same thing, remove the magnetic branding, perhaps change the implementation of the magnetic pins a bit, and the result should be a high security lock...
1)Put the cylinder into a lock body that doesnt say magnetic on it. 2)Replace two of the pins with pieces of bead chain. 3)Send it to BB as a challenge lock. 4)Sit back and laugh as he tries to pick it.
@@ke6gwf I suggested for him to do it and send it as a challenge to BB(BosnianBill). A couple bead chain sections in the place of a couple pins will make a lock almost unpickable/rakeable.
If it makes you feel any better... 98% of break ins are not due to lock manipulation... a broken window is a much lower skill attack and also quicker- so your shitty lock is irrelevant
No idea why but i love your videos, i have no experience or interests in lockpicking but your i love watching your vids. One reason might be the smooth voice
“Let’s get a little bit of tension in here,” LPL muses as he raises the gun to the hostage’s head. A smirk dances below his calm, unwavering eyes which dare the SWAT team to make the first move.
Rare earth magnets were developed in the 70's and 80's (Neodynium in the 80's), so it seems unfair to pick it with future-tech that wasn't available at the time.
You weren’t kidding, those stronger magnets made a huge difference! Also thanks for the shoutout! :D Also, fantastic overview of the history. I was unaware that these were related to the miracle padlocks.
Yup... switching to the stronger magnets made a big difference. Perfect tension while “raking” the mag pins stopped being so critical. And thanks for your video, which definitely gave me a good start on this lock. 👍
If "Magnetic" wasn't written on the body itself, noone would have been able to realize the magnetic pins. Therefore it could have been a lot more secure. But you know, it's all woulda coulda shoulda... Edit: Also if someone, who gets close enough to the key to find out it's magnetic, would probably also have put it into a mold or something to copy it, so... :)
It wouldn't make it that much more secure, because security through obscurity is bad security. And honestly, when it comes to picking, either you know how to spot and deal with magnetic pins, or (more likely) your don't. As is, these are next to impossible to pick in the field unless you have done a ton of research beforehand or come in extremely well prepared.
I know this is old and all, and I don't know if he did explain this later on, but a false set (from what I can tell) just means that the core rotated into one of the gaps of those upper mushroom pins rather than between the pins, which can usually be felt when you're experienced because you'd feel the metal hit against the pin rather than sliding past like it would on a normal set.
It means the core is slightly rotated but is still unturnable meaning some pins are partially or fully set and there is a high likelyhood for security pins
Vanity may be part of that company's undoing. The print on the lock alerts the picker that he/she is dealing with a magnetic lock and knowing such is a big step toward success. No knowing could really be a frustrating experience.
@@picramidethe magnets are obvious on the key, but as LPL said, the holes for the magnetic pins dont reach into the keyway, so if it didnt say "magnetic" on the front, someone trying to get in would have no idea.
@@2MeterLP Isn't the odd and ginormous keyway more than a bit of a giveaway? Plus, it's well known that security thru obscurity is bogus. Its magnetic aspect would be out of the bag in no time.
@@2MeterLP my apologies. I thought you'd replied with a restatement of your original points. Apparently you didn't, or else you deleted it. In any case, to the original point, an enormously fat keyway with no warding screams "magnetic" to me, even if it's not printed on the lock.
Another case of not just the lock getting gutted. Anyone from the now defunct ‘miracle lock’ company must be feeling pretty gutted too. I’m getting increasingly impressed by your skill set and ability to manipulate your way through pretty much any lock.
The evva MCS actually uses magnets placed "sideways", so both a North and a South are presented to their pairs in the lock, they rotate the magnets in the lock to match. If you're remove the key quickly, you can often hear them spinning on the inside.
3:40 Wow. This the first time I've noticed those tweezers. I have to get that head design. Those are awesome for resistors diodes and other tiny components in tight spaces. I have like 20 sets. How do I not have these already. Cool lock too :-) -Jake
It’s been a while but im so glad that you are finally getting alot of traction which you deserved. and also to add that even though I was not interested in lock picking your videos is always satisfying to watch.
I can see the overlift protection works by physically stopping the pins from being raised above a certain amount, but given the picker wants an accurate alignment along the split line between the core and the case, why is it needed?
I get the same sensation watching these as I do when I watch competitive cooking shows. I'm no chef and I'm no locksmith, and yet... "What a dimwit! Underwhipped the meringue again?!" "Rookie mistake making the keyway large enough for a magnetic rake. Tsk tsk."
This would be much harder to pick if the tolerances were reversed, with the magnets hitting their sheer line in between or after the mushroom bits were set. Would make it almost impossible to rake them while holding tension on the core to keep the pins from falling.
I recently picked my first American keyway with spool pins and I used a piece of of paper that was creased so the pins/springs wouldn't roll away, a far cry from that nice tray with your name on it. Looks great! Keep up the awesome videos.
You aren't the only one, at least I wasn't interested when I started, now I have lock picks and the start of a collection. Not that I'm any good at picking them. Escape while you can!
Idk why I watch your videos but I click every one I see, you just have a great voice so I can chill on the couch with these playing in the background. You get my views and I get some relaxing background noise
Neodymium magnets were not invented until 1982. I wonder if a rake made with magnets from 1970 would have the strength to overcome tensioning of the plug and set the internal magnets.
@@ianitor it seems to me that with neo magnets you could make the key and the keyway much thinner which would make a magnetic rake more difficult to use. Or, their strength might even allow more warding in the keyway as the in-key magnets could be machined along with the key blank to follow the necessary counter of the key. Also, there might be ways to position the magnets at different points - for example the magnets on the left could be higher than those on the right which also could also make using a magnetic rake more difficult.
@@ianitor Those magnets had to go completely through the key and be very thick to work (hence the wide keyway). Putting that kind of magnet on the outside of a rake wouldn't have fit.
I did not know before algorithm brought me here many times over that I really like seeing locks for mechanical "programming" and security. I agree a lot that companies making electronical locks should take notes or even outright collaborate with lock companies that have people who think about physical security a lot better, and I've seen already many talks in hacker culture related conventions about physical penetration testing, and one talk just about "internet of things locks" going through many products and talking about general lack of physical penetration mitigation.
That’s pretty cool! I wanted to see in the bible and how the magnetic pins set in it. Tighten up the keyway and it’d be a biatch to pick. Love the strange locks of the past. Great video.
In 2001 I installed four Miwa magnetic locks using the same idea but narrower key way. I did it not for security, (though it would’ve be relatively pick-resistant, since no one but a flat-out expert locksmith or collector would know how it worked), but rather because the key was “zero insertion force”. The key just glided in like butter! My Miwa has 7 magnets on the top and bottom edge of the key. It could still be picked using a single magnet to determine polarities, and then making a faux key with the proper magnets, but you first had to have access to the key to make something that was precise enough in order to locate your replicated magnets. There’s a RU-vid video I saw demonstrating the above technique.
Great video as always. I think magnets are fine for cabinet doors but sometimes locks take alot of phyisical abuse in the form of shocks. Magnets lose strength if heated or impacted. Therefore they are not my first choice in lock cylinders.
I think the expense of the keys and their relative fragility was more likely the reason the military wouldn't have adopted this core. Cool lock. Love the show.
This is a great idea, with bad execution. If you make the magnetic pins a touch thinner, they wouldn't set when magnetic racking and you would have to tension and pick the normal pins first. With a few serations and threads on the magnetic pins, they would get stuck once under tension and would be stuck. Lock would be completely unpickable.
Since LPL is such an expert I normally wouldn’t disagree with him but this seems like it would have been a highly effective lock at the time it was produced.
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I love your videos i was amazed by your skills that now im feeling not safe knowing that you can pick almost any lock 😂 was wondering if you have any recommendations where can i buy one of these nasty euro cylinder locks for my house please!!! 😂
My dad had a different magnetic lock. It looked like a smooth cased padlock. The bottom of the lock took a magnetic key that laid flat on the bottom, maybe inch and a half long, half inch wide, and an arch on the end opposite the fob hole. So you would lay the key flat on the bottom of the lock and rotate the key with the bottom of the lock on an axis with one side of the padlock, I believe. About a quarter inch of the lock would swing out and the padlock would open. It just said "magnetic lock" on the lock. Not sure who made it or how secure it was, but it was hefty and rather interesting.
Interesting! Never even heard of a magnetic lock/keys... I guess if you had your (magnetic) keys next to your modern smartphone, it wouldn't throw off your GPS, but could affect your compass apps? Even a small/weak magnet can affect something like a lensatic compass. Great video!
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