I saw a video of 357sig vs 10mm penetration test and the 10mm lost I own both but I'm starting to lean towards the 357sig for woods carry and hunting but I always carry my redhawk 44 magnum 4.2 inch barrel here in Montana 😊
Good bullet design by G9... Remember that when these 9mm fans applaud how well their ++++p over pressured rounds barely can stack up against a low pressure regular 10mm fmj range ammo...lol. get your point about the comparison...but. got a sense that you're biased on 9mm. The 10mm is the best magazine feed high capacity handgun out there when it comes to ammo availability, price per rnd. I use to be biased too...40cal, then 357mag ,then 357SIG, now Ive settled on 10mm anything... you can shoot lower pressure rnds for those w weak grips or the hand dynamite missiles out there.
@@newblue41 this round is +p…in fact very few +p+ 9mm rounds perform any better than regular or +p…so far I haven’t found much real use for +p+. Now..with all that said…any Nato approved 9mm can handle industry standard +p+…as Nato pressure specs allow up to 42k. In other words…you are not really hurting anything using +p…it would be considered standard pressure for the gun design. Also, there is no such thing as +p 10mm…however it is pretty clear from the number of 10mm kabooms that some manufactures are in fact pushing “+p “ in their loadings. I would also challenge anyone to show better functional reliability from 10mm vs 9mm…it is one of the reasons 9mm is becoming so popular yet again…functional reliability of the platforms. I like 10mm…own and load for several, as well as .357 sig now…they can all have some niche application, but when it comes to picking just one…its not really a contest…if any of my test would show a significant difference, I would likely change my opinion..but to date..handguns are handguns..more alike than different. I don’t control the results..they are what they are.
@@7N6ballistics I was being facetious about +++p anything. The point is everyone has their opinion..thats great... just giving mine. I've worked up from 40cal to 357mag snub and 4" barrel then to 357 SIG as magazine capacity. For urban EDC, I think the 357 SIG is the winner as they are already high pressure rated and sold as specifically for self defense to be consistent with > 3" wound channels without over penetration. The 9mm does not get to the same velocities as a 357 SIG and tends to over penetrate. There are too many loadings for 9mm... which is a good thing for knowledgeable gun owners..but, novices don't understand ballistics and those special high pressure loadings cost just as much as 357 SIG and 10mm ammo. Cost wise $$ , just get the bigger gun to achieve the higher velocities for even better results. Conclusions... to choose a caliber that is effective as a 357 magnum for one shot stops those would be either 357 SIG or 10mm for wound channel ballistics, energy, penetration. But, to save $$$ the cheapest and for BULK 1000rds 9mm $0.27 rd... 124gn fmj x1150ft/sec =364ft/lbs energy. 40cal $0.37 180gn fmj x1000ft/sec = 400ft/lbs energy. 10mm $0.46 180gn fmj x1200ft/sec = 576ft/lbs enery 10mm $.52 180gn HP** X1200 same as above 576ft/lbs energy. Let's not lie here... 9mm is the cheapest ...but it is not uncommon for at least 3-4 shots are required to STOP the threat.. now multiply 3shots x $0.26 = $0.76 cents per threat.... that is more reloads and hits on a moving target vs ONE shot center of mass without worrying so much as shot placement because you had the energy to increase wound cavity damage... yes, I know...fmj is not a wound channel maker...hence, I would go w the 10mm 15rd clips at HP at $0.56 rd for 520ft/energy for BULK ammo... so the winner for this = 10mm for my opinion. You're going to spend more $$$ to get more rounds in a single target to equal the damage of ONE 10mm pill... thanks for your opinions, as I enjoy the exchange of opinions. It's great 👍 👏
I assume the accuracy test is at about 25 yards. At that distance with open sights I recommend a larger aiming point- solid black and at least 2" x 2" square. Switching barrels from gun to gun introduces other variables such as how does that individual barrel fit that individual slide and locking lug recesses in the frame. All of that interplay will affect overall accuracy results. Manufacturing tolerances could have any one combination doing better than another combination, despite barrel rifling type.
The Marksman barrel has been consistently more accurate in all my Glocks. This post is 6yrs old now…lots of data confirming this is out now. As to whether or not its enough to matter for folks…thats for them to decide…though at this point anyone getting into the Glock game is probably getting a Gen 5 anyways.
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I'm getting my x95 this week, and your review reinforced that i made the correct decision. Also best review of this system i have seen from amyone else doing it
@@andycraig6905 yup, that’s the issue…for what a handgun is used for…its just too limited in application. Personally I think G9 currently has the most effective design in regard to “solid” projectiles.
Well done; good comparison choice, straightforward analysis, right to the point. Concur that .45 Super and 10mm would be likely to do the job with correct shot placement; I have my doubts about the 9mm, penetration notwithstanding. Controllability as always is critical for the inevitable follow-on shot possibility. Best way to survive a bear attack is not to have one.
I guess that’s the best approach…never find out. However, real world events show similar results with the typical “service” calibers..that lends credence to adequate test results….🤷♂️
I tend to avoid +p+ in the MP5…Im also a little cautious in some blow back PCCs….however the velocity of the +p exceeded the velocity of the +p+ offering from a pistol…depending on what you shoot it from you would unlikely see any difference.
I understand, but I don’t see any reason not to expect good results. The thing about the 10mm is there are a lot of basic loadings that work well in this application, so it’s not really a priority.
The penetration tests really surprised me. The 9mm performance was better than I expected. Use whatever you have is the moral of the story. Someone will always have bigger, longer stronger. Thanks
How about 9 mm: 147 VS 115. Some say the 147 is heavier and slow so penetrate less, some say more. I don’t know who to believe. Only way to know is to see it.
@@7N6ballistics Not much difference, I think I understand what you mean and could imagine you're right. Thing is I have neighbors just out about 10 yards out front, so every inch counts, assuming I need to do home defense. I also doubt that HP will differ much through wood than round nose.
In my experience it is not all that different…Water does offer a better case media…,but the results are repeatable and surprisingly representative. This exact topic was covered in the IWBA Journals. If you want a 1 to 1 comparison…check out Wilson Combat channel…Bill Wilson shows all 3 media…water, gel, hogs…and how they are used in the development of Lehigh Defense projectiles…which Wilson now owns and operates.
Still have the b14? How's it shooting these days? Waiting for my b14 HMR 6.5cm lefty to show up. My first legit entry into precision long range. Have everything ready for it, arken SH4J 6-24x50, spuhr rings, base, bipod and EC tuner.
