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The whole “hate the sin, not the sinner” thing is gross because you don’t love someone if you don’t believe they can live their lives as their full selves without going to hell or offending your deity. That’s not love.
It also equates gay love to horrible things like lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so you holding hands or kissing the person you love for years is the same thing as murder, to these people.
Yeah, "hate the sin, not the sinner" doesn't really work when the "sin" is an identity, because in that case, hating one is equivalent to hating the other. That's really a problem of insisting that some identities are sins though. 🤔
The other issue is that "love the sinner, hate the sin" is found nowhere in the Bible. Throughout scripture, the sinner is very much equated with the sin, and punished accordingly. They just repeat the saying to make themselves feel better about believing that. At the end of the day, they still think being gay is "immoral" and will let that belief influence how they treat others.
And do they stand by the 'hate the sin, not the sinner' rhetoric when it comes to actual sins like rape, murder, paedophilia etc? I doubt it. They're just lamely trying to justify their bigotry
Honestly, it sounds like she might have some mental health issues and I hope that she can get some genuine help and support, as well as learn to accept herself.
That's how a lot of family members react when people come out like we can't call them homophobic but they can call us every slur in the book it's the double standard
@@N_IRL your religion does not centre around the entirety of earth. Homosexuality is only a sin because people paid to have it translate that way. Hating homosexuality for being a sin is still homophobic. If that is truly what you believe, perhaps God isn't so loving after all.
"I have nothing against the lgbt, I just don't support them" has the same air as "I don't wanna say anything unpopular but some people don't deserve rights".
@@rowanrobbins It's okay. Us bisexuals are demons and we know it. That's why we're in all the vampire movies, influencing kids to become bisex vampire demons as well 🤣 Because it's eh... cool to ehm... explode in sunlight? 🤣 I'll have to think that one through some more I think 🤣 I'm not religious or conservative, I don't know how this cognitive dissonance thing works exactly.
To be honest, homophobia seems like a croissant but isn't. There are many layers until you realise that there aren't layers at all, just one flat layer of stupidity.
Im a social behavioral sciences major. It's more akin to a croissant than a flat surface. Jamie is right There are, psychologically speaking, layers and complexities to things like Transphobia, homophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc.
@@goldenapplesaga5446 i meant the fact that many of these layers are repetitive and their reasonings aren't that layered. Peeling back their logic shows hows they just tend to parrot the same narrative consistently, which is just consistently dumb. I hope that makes sense :). I wasn't trying to address their psyche, just the way they go about it. Edit to say, i do agree psychologically speaking there are layers, and you have a major in the subject so I'm not trying to disagree with you. Just trying to explain what I meant :)
The problem with "I don't support but I love them" is that they clearly think LGBTQ identities are a choice. That's why they lump it in with beer, sex outside of marriage, etc. They think it's just another lifestyle choice, so their thought process is "I don't think people should do that, but I still love them even if they *choose* to". Being raised in a Christian family, I've been told the narrative that we should love gay people, but it's best for them if they *choose* to not have relationships. It's some pretty disgusting stuff
Well to them being closeted and repressing our queerness is what we should be doing. Being openly and "actively" queer is hurting no one - except their feelings and ego, which is their problem (not ours) as they're not the ones in the relationship or living in the meatsuit. Literally doesn't matter if it's a choice or not otherwise they'd go even harder in harassing bi/pan ppl or genderfluid ppl who *can* pick their gender, as it implies being queer is an undesirable/harmful option.
What's so stupid is that even if having an LGBTQ+ were a choice (which it isn't), there is still the whole "love thy neighbour" and "thou shalt not judge." Does that not mean loving the person whether you agree or not and not judging them because that ain't your job? Treat others as you would like to be treated, aka show them kindness and acceptance whether you understand them or not.
@@eldritchabomination0 So... According to their beliefs having certain thoughts is a sin, it doesn't matter if you act on them. So to them being gay, living and dying in the closet, and never pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of the same sex is a sinful life. There's maybe a technicality like you have think about gay sex at least one time.
@@bleepbloop101010101 Meh. They can think whatever noise they want. Got no right to stop me being as queer and open about it as I want. My rights matter more than their beliefs that I shouldn't have those rights respected. They could've probably gotten away doing w that when religion was king or in the 50s in North America. But now? No. No right to harass ppl with that shit. They may have the ability if the person is dependent on stuck w them or if they live in a country where it's illegal to be queer. But that's still stepping on and ignoring ppl's rights AND being cruel otherwise.
@@eldritchabomination0 Right? That one woman talked about how it's not hurting anyone but YOU, and God's trying to save you from yourself...but she doesn't make any argument, compelling or not, as to why being LGBTQIA+ is hurting yourself, other than vague references to demons. I'm ace, & I'll say genderqueer, what in the 90s we called "androgynous;" but IME, my friends who were closeted due to religion were miserable until they came out & started living authentically - that's when they were able to really live their lives, often only then figuring out what they wanted to do in life, and accomplishing it, etc. They're all SO much happier now, whether they remain Christian or not. If God doesn't want us harming ourselves, then evidently, God wants us to be out, not closeted, not in denial, and certainly not trying to be other than who we are!
19:27 The interviewer in that video is Walter Masterson. He is a RU-vidr who likes to troll right wingers and bigots in public. He often goes to right wing rallies and pretends to be an over-the-top supporter to make fun of their cause. His videos are comedic political satire.
He does great work. What he's doing becomes more apparent when you see him saying the same things to different people, I think. You can tell he's trying to draw out what they're actually thinking & think now it's safe to say. The way he kept pressing the thing about his daughter's "dance routine" involving being on a pole was brilliant. Those guys didn't even bat an eyelid...of course an 8-year-old girl would be pole dancing...apparently in their world??? Yikes. I wonder if he did get anyone to question him on that - I assume he would include it if he did!
When my very Republican and Catholic step dad saw me in a rainbow "Love" shirt he got super excited and ran upstairs. He came down in a Bud Light shirt and told me "We match!" It was super wholesome.❤
Question. How does he reconcile voting for politicians who are explicitly anti-LGBTQ with love and acceptance for queer folk? (Assuming by "Republican" you mean someone at least moderately politically active/voting for GOP.)
@@CorwinFound generally people think the policies are "not that bad" and "not actually a danger to your safety" or maybe even "you're just one of the good ones"
@@CorwinFound as far as I know (he became my step after I was already an adult) he identifies and is registered Republican but doesn't necessarily vote along party lines. He's a very thorough thoughtful person and I imagine that goes into his politics as it does every other part of his life. Edit: If it makes sense he definitely has the ideals that everybody deserves to live peacefully in a way that makes them happy. He was born and raised in Maine and is a product of his upbringing in a different era, but he tries. He tries more than a lot of liberal identifying people.
Honestly true. They hate you but fear for their immortal souls so they'll twist and bend and weaponize and justify any cruelty or act against you so they can still feel like good people. It's scary
@@NeonJ1 No because Jewish and Islamic people aren't afraid to just say they hate you. They don't hide behind that "hate the sin love the sinner" nonsense.
Period. The correlation in my family between the level of religiosity and being hateful and judgmental towards others is a great example of this. The more religious family members are going around doing the most horrendous things to people(they are not even queer so it's not just queerphobia but hatred of anybody)that are around them like gossiping to their employer about a colleague that is supposed to be her friend and whom she knew had just lost her husband,became a single mother and had a sick mother to care for. Guess what she did? She was able to make that poor woman lose her job and she did that because she thought that that woman(reminder,they are supposed to be friends who go to religious meetings together)was distracted at work(i wonder why she is,maybe it's the grief of her husband and the burden of raising a child and taking care of a sick mom)so she thought that it would serve as a lesson to her(here comes the holier than thou,trying to show love and care Christian way of thinking)by making her lose her only source of income😃. I wish i was joking but this woman thinks she is going to heaven(and not us sinners who don't pray)because she prays five times a day and watches the mass and recites rosaries as often as she can while also going around ruining people's lives.
as someone with a mother who lives by "being gay is a sin but i still love you"; she believes it's a lifestyle. she believes it IS a choice and wont hear otherwise and its beyond frustrating.
same, im trans and bi and my dear mother believes that i chose to do this for attention and to be "cool", and that she can talk out my queerness-? idk, but stay strong and u'll be ok!
When I was growing up in my mother's church there was a saying I heard said often by older women: "Love the sinner, hate the sin." They used it to make other people feel small and themselves morally superior.
Right they act like their religious beliefs are innate to them and not an active choice to be part of the religion but somehow our sexuality and sexual identity is a lifestyle and choice because they don't "agree" with our existence basically.
"You can't be gay because I think it's a sin" sounds like "You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet" (I know this example has been used lots of times, but it's still relevant)
@@galaxychill9578In some Christian's minds, those who are gay will go to hell like those who practice any other sin. So imagine the phrase like "You can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet and if you're not on the same diet as me you'll go to hell forever" Sure, I don't agree with homophobic Christians, but I can walk at least a foot in their shoes (instead of a mile)
for the bathing suit one, that's Walt Masterson. He goes to Trump rallies, pretends to be one of them, and makes a fool out of every conservative he meets.
The whole "I respect it, I just don't support it" thing honestly feels really condescending to me. Maybe it's just me reading too far into it, but whenever someone says that it sounds like they're implying they're being so charitable by not actively spreading hate to someone that they view as below them. It's quite literally a holier-than-thou attitude.
It's them finding loopholes to try and not piss anyone off but appeal more to the people the "vibe with" and phrase it in such a way where if anyone calls them out, they are wrong
My mother once ranted for ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers and at some point towards the end she said, with the smuggest expression on her ugly mug, "now, of course I don't think we should KILL them" like she was the most gracious, generous, benevolent human on the entire planet
It definitely is condescending. They probably think "sure go be queer but I KNOW the truth. And the truth is you are going to HELL BECAUSE OF YOUR LIFESTYLE CHOICE!". Like speaking to a child or someone delusional that doesn't know better. It has the same energy as "bless your heart",they genuinely think that you are stupid and that they have knowledge that you don't possess and are making better life decisions than you. And that my friend is the Christian love mixed with hypocrisy and contempt.
I remember one time I was talking to a friend at work and she said “I have no prejudice but why do they have to do that in public? Can’t they just kiss at home?” I asked her if she would feel the same way seeing a straight couple and she said no. I said that that means she does have a prejudice and she just said “oh, I guess I do”. I have no idea how she feels nowadays but I think is important to show when someone is being homophobic because that way they can choose if they want to be homophobic or if they just had it implanted in them and want to change now
A lot of times they think they're not prejudiced because they don't see their behavior towards individual people as discriminatory. What you pointed out to them is essentially that in privileging cishet relationships, they're measuring individuals by that standard rather than by the standard of what that person's reality actually is. People do this with race all the time, too. Essentially, if they were self-aware and honest, their "I'm not prejudiced" really means, "I let individual BIPOCs prove they're really white, & if they are, I'll accept their presence/tolerate them/befriend them [varies w/the whit person] but that outgroup they come from is unacceptable."
the “how i found out homosexuality is a sin” girl is genuinely unwell. she is clearly having some issues with reality and may be having a mental break or dealing with some sort of mental health issue. if she truly believes a WARLOCK is the reason for queerness i really don’t even know how to explain or argue with her. this is not rooted in reality whatsoever. i find it extremely sad the lengths she has to go to convince herself that this is the truth. it sounds like the church she is going too is rooted in this delusion as well so it must be difficult to extract herself from the situation. i genuinely hope she finds help before wasting her life believing these delusions. i do hope that no one in her comments was caught in a vulnerable state and agreed with what she was saying. god this is just really sad and hard to watch
I'd seen that clip on The Antibot's channel a couple weeks ago and felt so bad for her. It just got more and more disturbing as the video went on. I sincerely hope that her video received so many responses from people expressing genuine concern that she started to question her perception of reality and reached out for professional help.
Shame, in my humble opinion, is maybe the most powerful and destructive emotion we can experience. We will do almost anything to avoid it. Including believing a warlock put a gay demon inside you as a child. Cognitive dissonance paired with shame can create truly sick and personally dangerous results.
She also ties it directly with childhood trauma, which makes me think she tried to blame her sexuality for that trauma and has made tons of mental gymnastics to build a narrative which fits that conclusion. She looks desperate
my dance teacher told me the other week one of her friends said to her, how come all your friends are either GAY or WEIRD? And she said: because I like people around me with a personality and a free spirit. I freely accept them all. She's more awesome than I thought :)
5:29 - The classic "love the sinner, hate the sin." It means, "I'm going to love you but also remind you that you're going to hell and you need Jesus to save you and that sounds harsh but really, I love and care for you, I promise." Heard it all the time in Kansas, especially during my time at uni.
"I love my idea of you but I don't care for you, actually, so I'll keep making you miserable by reminding you that I don't actually care for you even though you cause no real harm to anyone or thing but my ego and god."
That's not even what the saying means in the first place. You are supposed to let go stuff if it isn't related to legal jurisdiction, "love the sinner" means not harrasing them. But the darker side is "hate the sin" , which means hiding it
@@minestar2247 Eh, that's how it was used when I was growing up because all the Christians explained it like that. But that's more semantics, and I don't want to argue when the sentiment is the same.
@@eldritchabomination0 I love when they say, "You don't know what's best for you." Heard that a lot growing up... and when I got onto antidepressants, because according to my mother I no longer talk to, I was poisoning myself. Like, okay, I'm going to kick the bucket either way, but at least my brain can function until I do.
The interviewer at 19:27 is Walter Masterson, he's hilarious! He pretends to agree with Republicans so that they'll admit the horrible/illogical things they believe
20:55 pretty sure "fell off the pole" was bait and the interviewer was doing an undercover sort of thing. And predictably they never even flinched at the concept of course.
I immediately went searching in the comments when I heard that. The bikini thing and then the mention of dancing on a pole definitely put "baiting" in my head but no one he interviewed even thought twice about it 💀💀 but wearing a rainbow is too inappropriate
@@makeinubaka British Jordan Klepper (or maybe he's our Walter Masterson) got it. I thought he looked familiar but I've only seen that fellow once before.
Walter Masterson is awesome. I love his videos trolling the pro forced birthers and ignorant phobes. Most of the time, they aren't smart enough to realize he's making a fool of them.
Speaking as a former fundie, the "hate the sin, love the sinner" attitude is a performative aspect of the "holier than thou" attitude. They get to condemn homosexuality as a sin while still claiming to love and support the person, of course part of this love is hoping that they will stop sinning in order to save their eternal soul. To be fair, it can feel very genuine when you are in the mindset. What could be more an act of love than saving someone from hell? Thankfully I grew up and got away from the bull, can only hope the younger people do the same.
I reckon these idiots think they should be praised for not wanting us unalived. It's like... I don't support you, I don't agree with you, but I'm ok with you living. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
My Dad was like that with black people. He kept telling me I dont want them to die or bad things happen to them, I just dont want them living in my country. Hmm covert racism?
My mother unironically thinks this. Like no exaggeration, she thinks that her NOT wanting the death penalty for queer people is sooooooooo benevolent, you should've seen her face when she said that k1lling gay people is bad. Btw, she said that after ranting for like ten minutes about how the gays are all ped 0 files and the transgenders are all mur der ers
They equate gay love to lying, stealing, and killing. They're all "sins", so they think you holding hands with the person you love for years is the same as murder.
Another common one is " I'm not homophobic, but my son would never be gay" or " but not my son" or "not in my house" . I've had men literally joke about disowning their children and still claim to not be homophobic.
"I love you as a person, but I don't support black people" "I respect you but I can't support your decision of suddenly getting hit by a drunk driver and becoming paralysed from the waste down" "I love and respect you but Jesus doesn't support you choosing to become diabetic"
At least they recognize “hate the sin, love the sinner” is basically an indicator of religious bigotry. I mean, it means nothing since you can always reword it, but at least they recognize those words have been poisoned.
The whole “I don’t support it, but I still love people” shtick just seems like “I want to be against your existence as you are, but I also don’t want to deal with any consequences for that”.
@Sandra-wy2nt also "being gay is fine-God still loves them-but _acting_ on it is a sin!", saying gay love can never be as good as straight love. To them, gay people are on a lower level. "Stay alone forever, or else you're a sinner-on the same level as a thief, liar, or killer!"... In what way is that "love"?
@@katyungodly actually, acting on straightness is as much a sin, it's just that your societies normalised it to the point it seems unfair(the marriage part is unfair though)
Jamie, as a trans person living in Utah, they think that you can get into heaven if your gay IF you don't act on it. "Oh i like gay people, i just don't think they should get married" gets said alot
A very weird concept if it impacts law cuz, ya know, not every religion is against it and not every person is religious anyway. It's not like making gay marriage legal will make str8 or Christian marriage illegal
And if the rattlesnake says “I wish I had hands so I could hug you like a man” It is YOUR job as a cactus to say “but don’t you understand, my skin is covered with sharp spikes that’ll stab you like a thousand knives, a hug would be nice but hug my flower with your eyes.”
@@N_IRL And marry her! Because she's damaged goods now & no man will want her, so you have to take care of her, and who cares how she feels about any of it.
"Well, I don't hate the straights, I just don't support their lifestyle. I mean, if they want to do that, ok, just don't impose that on me and others, you know? Don't impose your lifestyle on others." I wonder if anyone has ever said that to straight people they know.
"ugh I saw a gay cupple on TV, stop imposing thatblifestilebon me" Meanwhile, every kid before modern times seeing 1000000000s of only str8 characters.....
In all instances I've encountered with this, especially having grown up in the church, "support" is akin to enabling. Being LGBT is seen as an illness or disorder, so they still "love" and "accept" you, since you can't help being afflicted with this terrible thing, and they'll pray for you to overcome your struggle. I've heard a lot that you can be LGBT, but it's sinful to act on it, "hate the sin, love the sinner". If you vote for equality and give access to resources for LGBT people, it's looked at like you're giving beer to an alcoholic. It should be discouraged and they just want to help you "get better".
Ah, yes, understandable. I’ll just stop being a bi trans man and instead become a totally celibate nun instead of following what’s natural and being happy because those people have bad opinions… 💀
Yes, this is it. I was thinking earlier when I was doing similar translations above that ironically I might have that "gift of interpretation" they talked about in the Pentecostal churches I grew up in, lol. Seriously, though, it's hard for people who haven't been in those contexts to understand the lingo. Your comparison to enabling an addiction is perfect, though. I wish I'd thought of putting it that way. So succinct & most people understand that concept.
Queer Christian with a theology degree here: If we want to look at why being queer ISN'T a sin, we need to do a few things, starting with the division of the Old and New Testaments. Jesus dies for our sin in the gospels, and fulfills the law. That's why we no longer have food laws, or laws about how to shave, or how to make appropriate sacrifices in the Temple. Laws in the Bible are divided into a few categories: 1. Cleanliness These are our sacrifices and our hand washing rituals. We no longer follow them, as they were dealt with on the cross. 2. Set Apart These are our instructions on what fabric to wear, what festivals to celebrate, sexual relationships, and how to cut our hair. We do not follow these, as they were paid for on the cross. 3. Honour God These are our laws against blasphemy, and disrespect towards God. We do follow those, out of our love for God. 4. Do not harm Do not murder, do not lie, do not commit adultery, give to the poor. We follow these laws, as they are moral issues that are not fulfilled in the cross. As same sex attraction doesn't fall into a harm or dishonouring category, we know it is okay. The context of the New Testament needs to be understood to deal with the times there it discusses same sex attraction. Namely, that it doesn't. It labels same sex intercourse. 1. Same homosexual relationships were very often related to worship in the temple of Artemis. So, don't go to the temple. 2. They were often between a man and a young boy, so obviously that wasn't okay. 3. They were always unmarried, which wasn't allowed. Conclusion: Christians should support same sex couples, and encourage marriage between them, because it's literally just the sex outside of marriage that is a sin, and even then, that was mostly to lessen the spread of disease, so, take that as you will. God bless, and happy Pride! 😊
I know this is one theological perspective that is very common in a lot of more progressive churches. But as a sorta queer (ace, genderqueer) person with theology degrees, I'm a little more heterodox. I don't believe Jesus died for anyone's sins; I don't see how that could be compatible with who we believe God to be & what Jesus said God is like. I believe Jesus was killed by Empire (as a "principality" or "power," i.e. an emergent property of human culture that seems to be bigger than the sum of us all). I also don't like contrasting the Hebrew & Christian testaments; I don't see a change in how God relates to the world, only a development of human thought for a particular group that emerged from Second Temple era Judaism. Sadly, once separated from its Jewish roots, Christianity pretty quickly aligned itself with Empire, and I think that's where so many of the harmful, toxic beliefs of Christian history came from. Those beliefs & practices are so clearly antithetical to what the Gospels and Acts try to show us with their repudiation of wealth & power in favor of radical inclusion into a covenanted community.
@@j.apenrose7896 so im guessing your saying that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 law is fulfilled? Weird, so then that implies the rules to inherent the kingdom of God changed when jesus died? 😑
@@krispycookez Bud, prior to Jesus's death, the way you inherited the kingdom of Heaven was to be Jewish. Jesus came to allow us to dwell with Him, Gentile and Jew alike. As for the passage referenced, I hope you read verse 11.
@@Rubymagicalgirl88 im pretty sure is that her personal dates were locked (power to her) but they couldn't free up dates to let her do work, so she couldn't work on it
@bookswithike3256 if she's that important to the show they could get another actor. It sucks but they wouldn't have to cut out important character development then
I used to have a friend who would regularly say "I just don't believe that you should be able to just change your gender" and then would just ignore me when I tried explaining that gender is a spectrum.
i cant change my gender, and it happens not to align with my secondary sex characteristics. society expects me to perform the gender that matches my secondary sex characteristics, or put another way: to change my gender for their comfort. i tried and it’s not working. so yes you can’t change your gender, only explain it to others who assume the wrong one
@@NeonJ1It's certain people who twist religion to put others down who are part of homophobic organisations. I found out LGBTQ-friendly churches exist! :D
@NeonJ1 Christianity is a religion, not an organization? There are Christian organizations (a lot of which are homophobic) but Christianity itself is not homophobic nor an organization. -From an ex-Christian trans man.
@@Milo-hp9fw It’s all ran through an organization. If you go to church you support phobes, if you talk about it, you support phobes. The leaders of the sects are phobes. Also, why is it that people who believe in a make belief sky daddy get a pass. They should be committed.
Yep, he created people. So there is no way to think that the lgbtq are "unnatural" or "demonic", they're just build different, kinda like left handed people
I love Walter Masterson's work, he is one thousand percent trolling. The Rainbow Bikini bit is a bit more subtle than some of his other stuff. He's gone to abortion rallies and offered people raw cake ingredients, shouting "I baked you a cake", gone to school meetings to call out the moms for liberty, called out police brutality, and visited Nex Benedict's school where he delivered a speech mocking the school system and the governor who called LGBTQ+ people filth. Some of his bits involve "going undercover", and asking Trumpers ridiculous questions that they inevitably answer with similar if not the same answers and reactions. He's also done a few collaborations with Crackhead Barney, one of which had them discussing how long it typically takes for them to get arrested. He's said a few time that trolling the alt right with comedy is his personal form of peaceful protest.
I’m a heterosexual female, and I’ve been really adoring your content over the past cpl days. You’re honestly great. You educate with such understanding and grace and really try to understand everyone’s opinion. You and your partner are such a beautiful couple. Thank you for helping me be a better person. Looking forward to learning and laughing with you! ❤️
Astro projecting warlocks?! Either this girl is a bad conartist or mentally unwell. The second is sad and she needs to talk to someone. I worry about her.
i agree, it’s really worrisome. i wonder if she’s in some type of psychosis after hearing her talk about the gay demon walking away from the man in her church
I really don’t understand why people are afraid of other people who are more open minded, are confortable with being themselves and - personal opinion - understand better the concept of love and acceptance towards others 😅
some one said that he was not homophobic when he said "i don't want gay people in tv shows" because he was not bullying gay people he just wants to ignore gay people.
@@KindlyKalen hijri calendar, just in case if u (or anyone reading) didnt know edit: clarifying that i am not supporting this persons homophobia, just talking about the year they mentioned
19:27 the guy doing the interview is walter masterson. he makes lots of videos trolling and satirizing conservatives and disrupting their protests. his videos are pretty funny imo
Queer Christian here. The whole "I can't support you but I love you" thing is the biggest reason I fear coming out. Its like what do you mean. Would you not support me if someone hurt me because I was gay? You would if someone hurt me for anyone other reason. So do you love me or do you love the parts of me you're ok with? It just makes me sad that the second one could be the truth
It's true. They would be sympathetic about you getting hurt but would say to you or to others that it was your own fault for getting hurt. Such people often believe that if something bad happens to you then it's because you deserved it, or you were being tested, or punished. Best not to put your hopes on them being by your side if you need help. There are accepting churches, that allow you to worship without being judgemental.
@@elaexplorer sadly it's more likely they would pretend to be sympathetic about it. When I was 14 and didn't even know trans people existed (let alone that I was trans) I had a woman come into the bathroom and demand to see my genitals because somehow I was making her uncomfortable despite her entering after I washed my hands. When I refused she called me a ped0phile. But half the times I talk about it someone blames me for her actions and demands to know what I did to her. Like what I did to her was...enter an empty bathroom, use the toilet, wash my hands, and started walking to the door to leave when she came in and demanded I drop my pants.
i wish you luck in finding a more accepting christian community, there are plenty out there who will accept you fully (as the good book says!) you don’t have to give up any part of your self to be accepted by people who have respect and love in their hearts. ❤
“Hey uh.. I read like, a really old book and it says you are going to go to hell and burn and suffer eternally if you keep doing something you can’t help. Anyways much love to the community!”
23:05 "I used to suffer with same sex attraction" it's giving "I was diagnosed with gay at the age of three"💀💀 Edit: SHE DIDNT KNOW WHAT SIN WAS? THATS LIKE CHRISTIANITY FACT #2😭😭😭
This must be a grift, so ppl can use her and say "see, u can be cured, and see how they are brainwashing kids to not know what sin even is until it's too late"
Same-sex-sex ore being anything is not sin. Sin is what keep you from God! Quer-fobic people is spreading the message that cristianity is by definition quer-fobic and believing that keep queer people from God. God want all humans to love they and the homofobia and transfobia etc. of cristians is a big sin for that reason. /Cristian bi-cis-woman active in the church of Sweden
Yep. I like to troll transphobes with "I used to struggle with my gender, but ever since I accepted who I really am I became so much happier" because they'll think I accepted that I'm a cis man. I'm an afab demiguy. 😂💙
Whenever someone says, "I don't support the LGBTQ community but I'm not homophobic," my response is, "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." People who claim to be apolitical are not being nuanced. They are saying they're absolutely fine with the status quo of systemic oppression, or it doesn't affect them so they never cared enough to look into it. They would sit idly by while the world burns.
I think that the first one is saying that not actively being an ally doesn't make you homophobic, but I'm not sure and it's very confusing. The word "support" in this case is very ambiguous, especially in the other videos.
no that's not what people mean when they say support lgbt people. they straight up think we shouldn't have rights but they aren't homophobic because the word offends them more then their bigotry.
nah, they're saying that they are homophobic but know it is considered a bad thing and they don't think they're a bad person so they don't want to be called with a word for "bad people", that's all
Sometimes you can just not support by not taking the fight when someone says something quer-fobic in your presens and that a sin. People do that alot but I am so bad at lying I most of the time don't do that sin. /Cristian swedish bi-cis-woman
Same. That whole thing: beauty pageants for 9-10yo (I think), entrant in a bikini, pole dancing, all just NOPE. Rainbow just pretty multicolour thing...
I have a feeling the person doing the interview and saying this stuff is just pulling the mags nuts chain to see how many stupid things he would believe.
19:49 oh no, Jamie! This is Walter Masterson, he's... A satirical non-reporter? Activist? Comedian? Idk how to describe him actually, but the thing about a 4th grader (9-10 yr old) beauty pageant is made up because he's trying to catch conservatives in hypocricies He does actually have a very moving speech in front of a school board regarding bullying of youth leading to dire circumstances and it's probably his least satirical work
Some people are just mindless bigots. They just hate someone who is not the "norm" (aka neurotypical cis hetero white man as the "norm") Once they get rid of the group they're hating on, they'll start hating the next, and the next, and the next. It's a violent cycle of hate, which only has two steps: hate, and get results.
@KrimsonKattYT You do not know how much I AGREE with you it is insane how much hate the furry community gets for NO REASON because a VERY SMALL amount of people were ped0philic, or z0ophilic, and acted weird Which is about the same as saying "all people are horrible for some of them doing crimes" and I hate that other communities are viewed in the same way including LGBT+ it seriously sucks
9:05 I think Sanders Sides said it best, though it is a different context but still -- "Pushy is pushy. This faux flexible rhetoric you're using to "soften" your approach doesn't change your intentions. It just disguises them." It is a vastly different context, but I think it works quite well here.
I knew someone who was "suffering from same sex attraction" and in a church, he was the saddest man I ever met. He became a school chaplain and then self exited. I was so angry the church and the school allowed him to seek that position.
Before i even admitted to myself that i was bi, my grandmother said i had changed so much and was no longer her little granddaughter, she literally said "i don't like you, but o do love you because Jesus says i have to" only things that had changed were i had a boyfriend and i no longer considered becoming a nun as a potential "career" (becoming a librarian was always my top desired career)
Be a librarian if you can. That’s cooler for sure. Also I’m sorry your grandma sucks. If she doesn’t like gay people tho, ask for her opinions on fixed fabrics and shellfish. If she’s for those, let her know she’s a fucking hypocrite 🙃
@@skag_gully right? Like I get that she was going senile, but how can you call yourself a follower of Jesus if you think loving me because he says to is in any way what he meant? And also, TELLING me that you don't like me and only love me because you have to?? Very Jesus like. SMH
The "practicing homosexual" is so stupid. And as an asexual it's slightly confusing. So if I don't sleep with people, am I a practicing asexual even though I don't practice anything?
20:47 I agree... Think this guy is trying to see how far bigotry can make some people ignore actually wrong things.... Ie little children's pageant, bathing suit judging, and pole dancing "daughter"😮
You should see the other one he did on the same video "My uncle is being arrested for free speech , ice cream truck confiscated , guns taken away , the children in his factories are now unemployed , and now he can't see his wife because she's under the age of 18"
Its basically fence sitting. "i'm uncomfortable with being called a bigot or a homophobe. I'm not racist and have never been the bad guy in this kind of situation before and i dont like it. So i want to distance myself from those who are more comfortable with their homophobia and bigotry by saying i still love members of the LGBTQ+ community but dont support them." Its the halfway situation where they realize there is a problem but they havent yet connected all the dots on where the problem is. I remember in the 90's (i realize these types are still out there) there was a large group of guys going "Im not gay. I have relationships with women, but only sex with men. I am never going to date a man" And pretty much everyone outside that group is going, um okay call it what you want but its not str8 and its at least bi. They were just uncomfortable identifying with the LGBT comunity. Eventually most of them moved on and either said yes i am bi or gay or whatever or went the other way and said they prayed it away or what have you or just stuck with DL lifestyle such as it is.
@@MirandolinaAmaldin well, we aren't really the ones who wrote the rules you know, were also supposed to follow them, buuuut, I would expect those to be hypocrits
Child beauty pageants run rampant in the South. The age categories start with BABIES, and there is often a swim suit portion. The guy asking about his "daughter" being thrown off by another contestant in a rainbow bikini likes to go to Trump rallies and other gatherings of conservatives to ask similar questions. I recommend his channel.
The guy at @19:28 IS trolling. He goes to anti-choice and anti-lgbt+ rallies and protests and absolutely trolls the conservatives with their own ridiculous logic. It's quite beautiful.
If you put your kids in pageants there are MUCH bigger problems. Frankly beauty pageants should be outlawed. Generations of children in this world have been traumatized by the abuse they suffered at or because of pageants.
22:50 The concept that sins are bad not because they hurt others but because they hurt yourself is so wild. It implies that if it weren't for the fact that these actions had personal ramifications, people like this would hurt others without remorse. Seriously, that's like saying murder is bad not because it destroys peoples' lives, but because then you won't be allowed in heaven! :,( complete lack of empathy.
Sin should be both, avoiding hurting others and self. Focusing only on either is bad. A lot of Christian weirdos will even go so far as to say "just being a good person isn't good enough, but believing in God is" literally saying that good people won't go to heaven but bad ppl can as long as they pay 5 bucks to the church and say "sowy I muwded billions uwu 👉👈" And fr, ppl are eating shellfish, wearing different fabric clothes, and I doubt all of them avoid eating meat 40 days before easter, if they can make exceptions for all those minor rules, they can make one more exception
The impose the lifestyle on me argument is nuts. I’ve never had a gay person convince me I’m gay. But I have had various religious people try and convince me or convert me to their religion or beliefs. Pot calling the kettle black much.
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I am religion phobic. I cannot approve of religious people's lifestyle choices.
But if I am pro same-sex-marrige, respect pronounce, don't ask people what is in their pants, believe in consent inside, outside marige and vote one one of the party's that want to give queer people more rights, and go in the pride parade can you respect me for being in Jesus daing one the cross and starting to live again one the third day then? Please 🥺 /Cristian swedish bi-cis-woman
Jamie, on a positive note my church is attending our local Pride event for the second year. We are one of two churches who come to celebrate with the local families. I am learning from and enjoying your book.
20:00 this guy is trolling, he once dressed up in a bud light suit and complained that the woke people were ruining the world so he couldn’t “take his daughters to hooters anymore” it’s honestly pretty hilarious
As a cis and straight Latter-day Saint (or Mormon) myself, the level of homophobia and other anti-lgbtq bigotry ingrained so deeply in my church and theology hurts me deeply. Cis heteronormativity is unfortunately firmly embedded in the official doctrine of the church in such a way that it can be very difficult to even conceive of a version of the teachings that would fully accept it, although there are theologians and other interested people (such as myself) who have been trying to develop queer-friendly Mormon theology. I expect that eventually the leadership will cave to the truth that being LGBTQ isn’t a sin, but I don’t know if it will happen soon enough for me to be able to ethically remain a member of the church community that I love. If it’s any consolation, lgbtq allyship has grown dramatically within the church over the past few years and I hope and pray that this trend will only continue. Thank you for this excellent video and discussion!
I was raised "hate the sin, love the sinner". For me and most of those in the churches i went to we were never pushed to really consider the logic of it. It was rarely discussed. When pushed they either turn angry and hateful or do what i did which is recognizing that it doesn't fit with what I believed about God. I chose to look at it though. I entered a fandom with lots of people who were LGBTQIA+. Getting out of my bubble helped me recognize the humanity of all kinds of people. No wonder Jesus demonstrated eating with "sinners". There are things I don't "agree" with. That means I won't do it. I don't know that I could ever get an abortion, but I vote for pro-choice candidates because i can't make that decision for anyone else. I don't "agree" with premarital sex, so i don't have it. I don't pass judgment on anyone else though. It is their life and I just want them happy. Someone I recently has someone tell me they wouldn't want to be with a bi man. I asked why and she said she doesn't feel comfortable being with someone who has had a lot of previous partners. I pointed out that that is a behavior, and not an identity. Anyone can have lots of partners. I am bi and a virgin. I figured that we could do the conversation about shaming "body counts" another time. We had made progress. Also we have somewhat realized she is probably ace and so that probably contributes. Stereotypes really do hurt people.
