@@theghosttm8245 LOL real. 10,300 papers is gonna be SO HARD TO DELIVER TO VALVE! Like you'd need about 50 boxes to contain all that paper, even if the boxes are super tall
I have faith that FixTF2 will pull through. It might take until Deadlock is botted to death in order for any meaningful changes to be made at Valve, but I’m prepared to wait that long
Remember, TF2 isn't the only Valve game overseen by Valve Anti-Cheat. CS2 and DOTA2 are also supposedly "protected" by VAC and suffer the exact same issues TF2 does. Deadlock will also more than likely use VAC too.
Honestly, you are one of the only people I stick with and agree with on this movement, you give genuine smart advice such as (don't expect a response, expect an update/fix) I think the Tf2 community needs to realize that yeah its fine to find things funny and to goof off, but leave the crazy shit like the "art of the hosters" completely out of it. Thank you for clearing allot of the community's head, you've contributed more than you think! Also hope you feel better soon lad. ♥
I think the Subreddit shenanigans are relatively funny, in the grand scheme of things. But it’s giving them attention, and at the end of the day, that’s what they want. Also Thank you for your nice words
@@Lonqudor it’s funny as a concept but when taken into action is really bad, like you said we are just giving them what they want, but hopefully it blows over. And no problem man, thanks for the videos
i saw the whole thing about the.. peculiar artwork of omegatronic, and i laughed at how ridiculous it was at first, but now im just disappointed. wasn’t the whole movement about holding valve accountable? i hate gatekeeping but it sounds like something that needs to be done, anyone who indulges in degeneracy like that should no longer be associated with the movement in any way. have no tolerance for bullsh*t like that. this makes the_overmind have anger
Idk man. I wouldn't say it's degeneracy but just mocking and throwing shit at OMEGATRONIC. They should fear ever reappearing on the Internet. Plus, rule 34 exists...
@@BRNG2042 Essentially, some people are starting to suggest that we flood the internet with p*rn of Omegatronic so that's the only thing associated with these people. Like, how in the world that's gonna help to have the game fixed? I feel the community is starting to fall into insanity, if it hasn't already...
@@LonqudorFaith is like that of faith with God. He might be there. Might not. Do you want to take the risk of not? You know? (No it's not meant to be religious or anything)
@@Lonqudor Faith means believing in something without any valid reason to believe in it. If you can't sincerely say "I have *conviction* that FixTF2 will succeed" then ask yourself if this protest, or whatever it is, is really worth it.
@@The_Pope_realtechnically it was a win,because back then,a tweet was actually all we were fighting for,we never considered that valve is a normal company,so in our eyes,that tweet was a win at first sight,and this time we have considered all possibilities and are running with that
I stand by my position that Valve will not do anything to address the bot crisis, looming boycott or no. They already make mountains of money from other games on Steam, and using any time or resources to address the bots/anti-cheat issue will hurt the only thing they care about: their bottom line. There's also the idea that this sort of maintenance is "treadmill work" as you referenced here. Valve will not dedicate resources to this sort of tedious maintenance work when they can cobble together some other shiny bauble (looking at you, Deadlock) to keep their money machine printing. I'm sure I'm just overly cynical about the whole thing, and I will still join the effort to withhold funds to Valve, but I am convinced that nothing will come of it.
I've had in mind for a b it now that I don't think a boycott will work. Mostly because I remember previous Steam-centered boycotts and how they didn't really succeed. The _old_ Modern Warfare 2 boycott over Dedicated Server support comes to mind...
I might not be very active but i am still here so is everyone, if there is another push i will participate but until then am staying low and observing, i am always here if needed
I really hope that the FixTf2 movement would actually achieve something from valve, casue, if not, we would have basically lost the last Titan of gaming industry that atleast tried to accomodate theyre communities. Still, even if it would not work, it was still fun and proudly to be a part of a movement against a common good for everyone. Great video as always mate and i hope you would recover soon.
What summer update though? I haven’t seen anything that indicates that we’re gonna get a summer update this year. I assumed we’d get one this year but I was informed that there was no spring update either and that the most recent crate in the mannco store is last year’s winter key. The last blog post is from February of last year talking about the 2023 holiday sized update. We have had nothing since then other than the update to 64x. I have no reason to believe we’re getting an update this summer. Is there something I’m missing?
I don’t think we’ve ever had a spring one but we always got Halloween and Christmas. Tons of workshop creators voiced out they want more updates since at that point in time only new maps and cosmetics and related that got added were Halloween and Christmas themed which basically limited what you could make. Why make a normal map if the only time we get new ones was Halloween and Christmas. Christmas chooses like 1-2 regular ones but can occasionally get regular ones because they are loosely Christmas. So we got a summer update last year and we highly suspect one for this year too and maybe just a new part of the norm.
Someone was given a tour of Valve earlier this year. Someone met with the singularity of two developer consistently working on the game, named Eric Smith. Eric Smith said that there will be an update this year, but it will be a much smaller one than last year. For more information, I recommend looking up this tour
We need to keep the pressure on Valve! If we stop concentrating on them specifically with this movement, they'll feel less pressure. KEEP! VALVE! NERVOUS! It's a business at the end of the day, and they can't afford for profits to go down on all their games (not just TF2, but that new game they're so invested in... No one will play if the same issues break it the same day it comes out)
I really hope other game communities take a page out of the #fixtf2 people because this problem is not just a Valve problem, it's a gaming problem. And i have a strong feeling that even if Valve isn't hearing us, other devs will. Just remember, only the devs can fix this, not the "bad actors."
The same day this video came out is the same day then the tf2 devs tweeted out “2fort could use some galvanized square steel and eco-friendly wood veneers”
"Don't spend money on the games" This is thrown around way too often, and it pisses me off. In the freemium economy, the companies don't give a fuck if one person, or even the majority of the playerbase stops spending money. It only takes a select few to make a big purchase to completely nullify anything the larger community bands together for, whether those people are against the protests, or they're just not part of the bigger community, you can't assume that every single fixTF2 video reaches every single player, there's enormous chunks of the gaming community as a whole that do not participate within it, and don't acknowledge the wider existence of discourse about video games. Stop PLAYING the game. That's where the metrics hit. Also, keep making videos, making noise, make sure this doesn't just go away. THAT IS HOW YOU PROTEST.
I agree that if people believe that Valve is not doing enough with their product that people should stop buying stuff for them. That is their financial decision. But what people may not realize is monetary boycotts aren't effective as effective as some say it is due to there always being someone that buys something due to social stigma. Plus it's much harder to do that kind of boycott, requiring enough people to make a significant dent in the income of the developer If you want to take it a step further, stop playing the game as well, since companies and players will see the player count and decide the health of the game. Pirate Software, a RU-vidr who has worked for Blizzard in the past, is a current game dev, and a reliable source of information when it comes to video games companies, said it best: "If you see a company that is treating you badly as a player, stop playing their game." Plus, it will visualize it more to everyone that the game is not doing well if more and more people stop playing it Honestly, do both. Hit Valve double as hard with multiple points of attack. Combine this with terrible press and they will have to do something official, otherwise it sets a precedent for the company in the future (even though their future doesn't looks too good right now) #FixTF2
We need #fixtf2 to remain focused on the goal. We are treading a dangerous line, one where if we are not careful we will show to Valve and the world that Games as a Service is right for shutting them down or you will face backlash for letting your game exist. This is why #fixtf2 needs to remain focused on its goal. Yet I genuinely believe we as a community should look for proper solutions as well, not just rely on Valve because the company that came up with fixing F2P would get billions easily and it has not been solved by any major companies. There is a difference between asking Valve for a miracle and trying to make a miracle while asking Valve. Especially since if we as a community could come up with it we could be the ones who controls who profits from it. Meaning Valve couldn't just use tool to get rich and stop.
I don't expect anything meaningful out of the Summer Update, the timeline is just too short to get anything of value done. At MOST they "hop on the treadmill", do a big banwave and add the current botting scripts to VAC, but that will just delay the bots for a couple of months. If we want fundemental change, we're going to need a bigger, more long-term, concerted effort. This might not work, but a big problem is that bots can party up and stack servers. Restricting F2P party size to 2 or 3 might make it a bit easier to deal with bots (while also not completely shutting out the party up function for legitimate people). Another option may be Trust Factor. Get kicked for botting enough and soon the account will only be placed into lobbies with other accounts in a similar predicament. One problem is that Trust Factor doesn't seem to be doing much for Counter Strike 2, so I dunno if it's been defeated or what.
Im honestly kind of skeptical of a financial boycott tbh, valve doenst rely on tf2 for money since steam makes them millions every day, so an unintended side affect of the boycott might be valve losing all interest in tf2 since it wouldn't make them money, and for them to leave it in a state like day of defeat or smth tho im not saying dont do it, just giving my concerns over it
make sure to also don't buy, open crates or even trade for items next summer "update" until they do something or else they will keep on profiting off of the game.
Unironically the only thing that could have made this work was if that one guy had dozed the botters and if people were encouraged to spread the protest around. Stopping people from boycotting and protesting other valve games was the dumbest thing aswell
Id beg to differ about only targeting valve. Rosnehook, (A major bot hoster most likely behind the doxxing of megascatterbomb, im not saying he did but he might've cause he has actively tried to silence people exposing him) is getting away withy crimes at this very moment, not just that but he also associates with various weirdos who I wont name because he has already hacked into my main discord account.
I saw this coming, it was only a matter of time until someone gets pushed to the point where they wanna take matters into their own hands against bot hosters. The method of payback is not what I expected at all though…
I will not rest until valve fixes this decade old game, Rick May didn't die for this, and remember to ignore the people that say "valve isn't going to fix this game ever go play overwatch." they are just people seeking attention. As a matter of fact, i will NEVER play the game or buy anything tf2 related until the game gets fixed.
I think it's about time to deliver the signatures to valve, and to start to organize the summer update boycott, unless we see fixes related to the bots, we shouldn't buy any of the new maps
I always considered that... other stuff... Seperate from the movement. Thats really its own thing. We arent dividing attention, but there isnt much to do but wait. So why not have something unrelated to do on the side?
I’ve lost hope, 😢…it’s due to the lost of the message and how valve isn’t even fixing cs2. I’m mad at the fact that this protest isn’t going anywhere and I’m tired. I deleted tf2 and I’m kinda regretting that deletion.
Don’t. In the first weeks of a protest it doesn’t go anywhere, as it grows it will go somewhere. Savetf2 / fixtf2 have gained atleast 1k petitions a day for a while now. When was there a protest where people just gave up, keep fighting. As soldier said, “if fighting is to result in victory then you must fight!”
My guy; are you really shocked people are doing strange things during the protest? I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE ARE DULL IN THE HEAD! No matter how many reminders you give it won't matter if they're getting a kick out of it. It's like asking a troll to stop trolling.
This literally reminds me of the numerous protests that went on during the 1950s till now. A well meaning movement that seeks change until it either got sabotaged or infighting ensues. Then it slowly degrades into this thing, this hivemind, this abomination, that scares others off and make others see the whole movement as just a bunch of degenerates or delusional children. The fact that this is happening so quickly shows the glaring state that the community has been facing for years, from mental health issuss, financial exploitation, and others. The cycle is repeating itself and there isn't much for you guys to really do about it unless you all approach this movement in a different way, not with the whole forced positivity or doxing and being a literal public nuisance. But uhhh....I'm done yapping now, off to sleep!
I’ve spoken to him on and off on Discord. He seems insanely busy, personally spending hundreds of his own dollars to manage the website and various other things. If you want more information from Weezy I recommend checking out Lucid’s live streams where popular TF2 figures, like Weezy, make a weekly appearance
Wait, the whole plan was to make a big stink this month so that the july update will hopefully patch bots? Or have fixes against bots? I’m sorry but even if I hate Volvo right about now I’d have given them a few more months, I know that we technically gave them two years but damn
@@Lonqudor Yeah thats the really tough part. It hurts every party but might have a long term benefit and since the trading sites mainly care about money its very unlikely
That would just funnel the people who want to buy items into the steam community market; it may actually benefit them somewhat, at least in the short term.
I never targeted anyone directly. If anything I do have to say deadlock is the ugly stepchild of TF2 nobody wanted. TF2 is a classic and even if we don't get a major update if they made a more righteous anticheat and eliminated the bots, then I would be eternally greatfull and spend $1000 on cases and get at least a few unusual. Until then I will finish any mvm tours I'm doing and never spend a single cent again. Money talks.
I fear all a boycott will do is make Valve see line going down and go "servers aren't worth keeping up guys; shut em down!" and it ends up killing TF2. Besides; TF2 is a drop in the ocean compared to CS:Go and Dota money. Let alone Steam.
They cant shut down TF2. If they do, it will crash the CS2 and Dota economys because players will fear their items aren't same. They CANNOT shut down TF2, so they have abused it instead. This protest is about putting an end to that.
@@Lonqudor TF2 is a game that has received 0 actual support beyond community made items for years. It had planned updates and lore comics abandoned. And this shutdown would only occur after an explicit movement to not buy anything, this stopping income. How long have we been waiting for the Heavy Update again? People will not crash the DotA2 economies and especially CSGo economies; because they'd be silly to think the same would happen to their games anytime soon, while are still receiving support and updates.
I really don't think a boycott is going to work (not that I don't support it but I just don't think most people are gonna boycott) so I hope there is a plan after this whole boycotting thing.
I kind of wonder if it should have been #FixValve, as I've done some research and TF2 isn't the only Valve game with online cheating and bot problems (not just CS2). Heck, even Steam has had problems of its own.
