@@shadowthehedgehog1024 Do not reply, report and move on. These accounts exist purely to get attention by saying absolute bogus shit in Reply sections.
LMAO at Blizzard's statement. They're mad that the investigators didn't go to them first so they could try and bury it with bribes and corruption or prepare for the storm in advance. Just like they buried employee complaints that came their way apparently. F them.
@@corpsemuncherr The Overwatch team seemingly has nothing to do with it. Lots of women have said that they were thankful for being able to work in a good team (being the overwatch team)
Wasn't their official response to dismiss the 'allegations' of the two year government investigation as being incorrect and made up, and then shamed them for bringing up the girl that THEIR OWN employees harassed to suicide?
i feel like lots of people are underselling just how dark this lawsuit is, reading through it and getting to the paragraph about a woman committing suicide was horrific considering how people were talking about it
@@jomother142 I have a feeling it was consensual but the guy who shared her nudes literally caused her to kill herself, I hope that guy gets life in jail. Its fucking ridiculous how people like that are allowed to walk free after only a few years in jail.
@@emz1412 She was having a sexual relationship with a superior. There's an unequal power dynamic there already, and that's before we get into the disgusting environment at Blizzard. It could be consensual, and I'd argue it's still squicky even it were, but it could also be him coercing her into a relationship through his power over her financials or taking advantage of a person in a vulnerable mental state.
people saying there was a time when blizzard was not bad. me: *reads about the senior director who commonly sexually harassed women at blizzcon to such a extent that in a legal court document transcript it is quoted they called his suite's at those blizzcons "the cosby room" *
Or Hafu tweet about how when she was 17 Blizzard allow a team in competitive WoW with the name "Gonna rape Hafu" in 2008. So yeah this shit dates waaay before Activision was in the picture of Blizzard.
@@tehkill3r download times? yes. loading times? no. infact, the loading times would be severely affected in a negative way if they compressed the game files. Same happens in blender when you compress .blend saves, or compress files into a rar file. You can take something large and make it smaller, but if the idea is making faster load and download times, just don't pack a bunch of shit in it. If the idea is to make it take less space and download faster, compress it. It needs uncompressed if you want uncompromised quality which leads to longer loading times. Uncompressed, and then loaded. So basically loaded twice every time you open the game. (not arguing just saying compression doesn't fix everything, it has its own issues. So saying they should just do this because 0 drawbacks, is incorrect and I'd personally rather wait 3x as long downloading, than wait 2x longer every single time I start a game) If it takes 2 minutes to load into a game uncompressed, and it takes 2 hours longer to download the game uncompressed. I'd rather spend 2 hours than have it constantly build up 4 minutes of time every time it's opened. Pick your battles kind of thing. Think about it, there are 120 minutes in 2 hours, which means opening the game in this example 30 times. Everything after this you're just losing time
Every game from them fucking sucks, especially wow. But what can you expect when all the work gets put on overstressed and harassed female employees while the rest gets drunk or plays games during work.
As a baby animator in college, my teacher worked for some of these companies... now I understand why he told me and the other girls not to apply to places like these bigger names. Sure he kinda warned everyone, but he pointedly looked at the girls. I remember the cautionary look on his face. Not a look of condemnation, like he didn't think we were good enough, no-he looked stressed and worried. he just didn't want his students to end up in that work place. "Go work for someone else; there is plenty of other places you can go that are better- be good to yourself." Thanks for the heads up man, you did right by us
that's a legitimately sweet thing. glad there are still some decent men. so sad he has to warn you guys. if only ppl can just not feel fear of being harassed.
Seems like a no-win situation. Warning you not to work there may be of the best intentions, but the effect is not much different from getting harassed out of the workplace after the fact. Not sure what I'd do in your teacher's shoes though.
The biggest problem I have with this whole thing is that they are trying to use drinking as an excuse. It's not an excuse, it's just not. If you're drunk, high, over-caffeinated, or otherwise you're not allowed to do anything you wouldn't sober. People really need to look at this from the angle of the people are just bad people, ON TOP of possibly being alcoholics as well. The responsibility of each individual really needs to be addressed and brought to light as well. Otherwise they are likely to just move to the next company and repeat said behavior.
@Nick Moore curious to what you mean? Are you referring to a specific instance where they made money off a campaign of some sort? I'd like to look into these social hate movements they are backing. Just down right deplorable.
@Exiest(ex)Osas Saso at least stay on topic. your assumptions are so ass at this point. I don't understand how trolls exists. is it not exhausting put so much time into being stupid?
Serious change has to happen.. Literally my biggest fear is nothing happens. We all call attention to this situation, and no real change occurs. I hope this genuinely propels change, not only to Activision but the gaming industry as a whole. Hold companies like Activision accountable.
As a woman this is absolutely fucking terrifying. It’s extremely sad how common this shit is too. I’m only 17 and I’ve dealt with unwanted harrasment from men literally my entire life and there’s a lot of misogyny in the gaming community as dumb as that sounds there really is.
The reason for 'obligatory training for anti-harassment etc' is because once it is in place, management can say that they have done their part and can throw the book at accused employees for basicaly breach of contract. It has nothing to do with actually preventing anything.
That is so goddamn true. It's literally the reason why they implement it: they don't wanna be liable so they chuck the accused to the curb. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Collective punishment is illegal according to the geneva convention. That includes forcing you to be reeducated as though you're a computer that is programmed to rape until you watch the video and you'll be deactivated. It clearly doesn't do anything because everyone, literally 100% of people, would correctly indicate on a test that sexual harassment is wrong. Its just insulting, degrading and hasn't been proven to do anything.
@Exiest(ex)Osas Saso lthe amount of false accusations is nothing compared to the amount of actual sexual harassment and assault, you’re worried about a problem that doesnt exist
I hope with this case being presented by the state more people feel comfortable going forward and Speaking out against what happened in the workplace and it would be awesome if they had documents too.
@@charlespanache7047 Sadly, these things mostly go unpunished. Charlotte over in animation is gonna keep getting groped, HR gonna stick up for their bros and careers, and since sexual harassment doesn't often leave that much evidence unless by text messages/social media this will keep happening. And people thought women were joking when they said the gaming industry was sexist. It's because it is.
To any woman who's been a gamer, programmer, or in animation this isn't a surprise. I headed a small niche fan club for an anime character 15 years ago, it went off fast and I had to get ahold of the writers and animators for an interview. I BEGGED them not to out me as a women because I knew the Hell that would come my way. They not only understood, but actively helped conceal my identity. Geesus. It shouldn't be this hard. The industry is rife with abuse from the top ceo to the lowly fan and gamer. Sh!ttalk use to be fun... but it's gone way way beyond that. I'm not surprised by any of this.
I've had similar experiences and i'm not surprised by these cases:/ was looking to work in gaming and am currently studying to doso but i'm not even sure i want to anymore
@@Clouded-Logic I would love to but alas, due to some weird internet happenings, when the show became defunct due to being shelved by Sony, and MySpace died of internet herpes, my real name got mixed up with the character. Still to this day if you Google my name the character pops up in background checks as my photo. 🤣 I mean I'm glad the internet doesn't know what my face looks like. But being immortalized as this off shoot character is utterly hysterical. I've even had future employers ask me why the internet thinks I'm this random anime dude. It makes for good laughs.
For me the most insane thing out of all the allegations is that somebody literally exposed nude photos of a female employee in a relationship with her supervisor and she killed herself shortly after. Of course we don't know what was going on in her life at the time, but the harassment and shitty behavior definitely did not help. I just hope there can be some sort of legal consequences, not only for Activision blizzard, but also for the horrible human beings that subjected the female employees to this.
@Midas no, it's their fault for spreading the pictures that lord only knows how they got them around to god only knows how many people, without her consent.
@Midas Which assumes she took those pictures willingly, and not that the mentally fucked people there took them without her knowledge. And also, even if she did take them herself, that does NOT excuse them being shared. When someone trusts you enough to send something like that, it's expected you have the basic human decency to keep it private. It is never under any circumstance okay to share someone else's nudes without their permission.
@卍 SMOKING THAT DADSEPTICEYE PACK 卐Look a troll who crawled out of his Cave of Incels to try to get clout from people trying to dislike bomb his videos xD
I agree Blizzard sucks in everyway. To clarify on sexual harassment training some more; In most fields with multiple employees, it is mandatory training among everyone. You don't go to sexual harassment training after harassing someone, you get fired. Sexual harassment training is a preventative measure that's meant to hold you accountable. If people walked into interviews saying things like they hate women, etc., they would not be hired. If you are a hiring manager and get a "bad vibe" from someone, you don't hire them. These people don't have to be loud, incel, assholes to be capable of sexual harassment, therefore you can't always spot them. Sexual harassment training is meant to be a warning that we do not put up with this type of behavior in our workplace. Some people get super comfortable at work and begin making inappropriate comments and jokes, while others might not feel the same. Some people are psychopaths that are capable of hiding their true selves extremely well. Sexual harassment training is a yearly reminder that how you effect other people in the workplace matters, especially when it comes to sexual harassment, and you will be held accountable. Sounds like Blizzard is having serious issues with upper management neglecting their job of keeping the house clean and promoting frat buy culture which should have no merit in any workplace. Thanks for coming to my TED talk
I get the reason why sexual harassment training is implemented and its importance on maintaining a healthy work environment. But the training is so laughably awful that no one takes it seriously; it's just a yearly chore we all have to do. Plus, the training means nothing if there is a case of sexual harassment and nothing is done about it since the higher ups either don't care or actively promote this sickening behavior. Not all companies do it, but it's still a problem. Hopefully those that do start to be held accountable like Activision Blizzard.
As a European this whole Training thing feels damn weird to me tbh. It sounds like companies don't even do it to prevent sexual harrasment but just to be able to act like they've done everything they could have to prevent it whenever it happens.
It's also for the company to distance themselves from liabilities so that if something does happen well they gave the training so it cant possibly be their fault
Horrible is an understatement. Someone lost their life. This is just fucked up, this is the type of shit I imagine that goes on in hell. Seriously, Activision and Blizzard used to be such good companies back in the day. How far the great have fallen
Don’t forget people, anyone saying that it’s *just* allegations is conveniently ignoring how the *STATE* investigated them for 2 *years* and found enough grounds to bring it to court.
Yeah, that one was really fucked, and that was literally DURING the fight of ridiculous amounts of Chinese Police Force (that instigated goddamn brutality), and the protests of the innocent people of Hong Kong. It was so fucked up, and I can never, EVER forget that.
Thanks for talking about it. This shit is soul crushing when youre a female aspiring artist finding out your favorite companies are like this. Riot, pixar, now blizzard, who knows what else. Good thing people are bringing awareness to force them to change (even if its just for the sake of the $$$)
That story about the woman committing suicide was simply unexpected. This is the kind of stuff you expect to see in make-believe movies as they're just THAT unbelievable. People should keep in mind that this was a FEDERAL investigation over two years.
Upper Echelon Gamer discussed how Activision Blizzard seems to be trying to end this "company problem". They hired a law firm (WilmerHale), known to "minimize the likelihood of claims and potential liability", to review their company policy. Sounds like an Anti-Union Trust Busting firm. Not gonna be surprised if this issue gets co-opted by "social justice movement", separating all the employees affected into tiers of grievances. And then the ones at the bottom of the tiers left, since now they're getting abused by the company and the top of the grievance tier. Each layer slowly dissolve from the bottom, since the tier above the bottom tier becomes the new bottom, each time the bottom disappears. Classic divide and conquer. The walkout has already been taken over by the SJWs. Just like during the demonstration following the 2008 financial crisis. Introduce a dividing element (like which group is more or less affected, therefore creating tiers), into a uniting issue (financial crisis affecting the 90%) that affects people of all variety. Not gonna be surprised if no meaningful changes happen, since the dividing issue is still quite popular and easy to use right now.
Of course. Money is the only thing that moves companies, and who knows what moves these individual employees. The only thing that matters is this shit is finally coming out and people are finally listening.
@Exiest(ex)Osas Saso please show me a case where a lying woman’s word was enough to put a man behind bars. It’s not enough. Which also is why most SA cases can’t be proven/convicted, unless the attacker happened to film their attacks or something.
And there's men who don't see a problem with it, honestly this isn't a problem within the company, it's just how everyday life is for women Edit because people are mad, yes men get harassed too, but why do you only bring that up when things like that when women are the victims? It's not hard to comprehend that majority of victims of sexual crimes are women, so why foam at the mouth at a statement. If you feel the need to always say "not all men" or "not all women", rethink and re-evaluate why you feel the need to say those things
@@slep6431 technically it means someone that wants to have sex but can’t find anyone that wants to have sex with them, but no one really cares about that anymore. It’s evolved to basically mean a misogynist that blames women for all of their problems rather than taking accountability.
Just FYI these guys never say they “hate women,” they will say they “love” women (which is also weird), but the thing you have to find out in an interview is whether they respect women the same way they respect men. That one’s a resounding no for all of them.
Isn’t it strange to treat other human beings correctly? Wierd how you can’t treat a living being any better than a blow up doll. I’m just saying this is just crazy.
"WE DO NOT HATE WAMEN. Haven't you played Overwatch??? We have... you know... females in there... and one of them is lesbian too!!!" -Blizzard, probably
Water is not wet wetness is the the ability for a liquid to adhere to a solid it's like say fire is burned. It can burn things but it is not burned. But yes Activision is horrible
As a woman who once dreamed of working for a game company I’m glad that I stuck to just playing the games rather than producing them. This situation makes me sick. It’s not just Activision and Blizzard, it’s the fact we’ve seen this exposed in many companies before that just leads me to think that this won’t be the last time we see a company doing this unethical shit. I can’t put into words how much it hurts me to see the gaming community be so gender divided. Plenty people are nice when playing games but from experience I admit I’d had my fair share of abuse from the opposite gender whilst I’ve played a game. It’s disheartening that for some reason games are seen by some as an ‘exclusive to men’ activity, or that because I’m a woman I’m immediately bad at the game or I don’t belong because I’m not playing the Sims or Animal Crossing (the typical ‘girl’ games listed). Now to hear once again that not only does the abuse happen as a player but to the very people that help make the game (and the abuse is to an even greater degree with real threats of rape), it sickens me. I truly don’t see a day where women will feel like they belong in the gaming crowd which is the most disheartening statement I’ve ever admitted. Sorry for the rant if anyone reads this. I’m just very passionate about gaming, it’s been a long term escapism from some traumatising experiences so I care very deeply about the direction of the gaming community and my place within it.
There are a lot of assholes out there but you don't have to give up on producing games because of this news. Find your people, learn how to code, and start up your own company if no where else seems to match your ideals. There are plenty of good men and women out there who will help you do this. I know it's disheartening to read news like this but the fact is at the same time, the state of California itself is taking action. The law is on the right side when it comes to this, it's just ideally we'd get to a point where nothing this awful happens in the first place. For what it's worth, I found good friends who absolutely made me feel like women belong in gaming and I hope one day you can too.
@@bitteralmonds5717 I didn’t give up my dream of game developing due to news like this, I just found a new passion and decided my hobby of enjoying gaming should stay as just that, a hobby. My ranting above is just simply myself being thankful that I didn’t get wrapped up within that as I dodged a bullet it seems. Super glad to hear that the state is taking action to preventing this as it gives hope to those who do actually pursue this career path. These days I mostly stick to single player games, but whilst I find it’s partially due to the constant harassment I received for simply being a women in online games, I also just mostly enjoy single player games for their stories. I find myself escaping easily into well written stories and as a very emotive person they make me feel ways that no movie or book could ever do, one of the main draws for why I believe games are just phenomenal as an art form. So it’s not all doom and gloom, I do enjoy what I’ve found in single player games even if the push towards them was because of the harassment. As you said though, the people you play with make all the difference, I have friends (both genders) who I play games like online versions of dungeons and dragons with but I guess you wouldn’t call that an online video game. Most of the proper online games I would play would be with strangers so it makes sense that I had not so great of a time compared with if I played with friends. Maybe I’ll find my people one day, maybe I won’t, for now I’m satisfied with my single players and a few online games here and there. Not every online experience has been bad of course. Honestly I’m just happy that the topic of women belonging in gaming is being brought forwards again as it really has been a huge escapism within my life that somewhat got destroyed by a few people that can’t grasp the fact that games aren’t exclusive to just them. To anyone who may read this just realise that women enjoy games as much as you, our gender doesn’t define whether we find them instantly boring, we can be a pro player or we can suck as much as some men do too, don’t destroy our passions and just treat us like you would one of the guys, we don’t need sexual harassment or any kind of harassment whilst we’re trying to no-scope you. Many thanks if you actually spent time to read this.
@@ZNemerald My comment above should hopefully clarify that I no longer intend to be in the industry because of new passions and not because of the claims of the field being awful. If you want to give it a read then go ahead, it’s mostly just more context to how I feel about games. If you don’t read it then hopefully the first sentence to this will provide you with the context of why I wouldn’t start a gaming company. Although I would love to see how a female run game company turns out (with some male employees obviously because I am against gender exclusivity). I’m sure the gender prejudices within the development team would be better handed and tackled than they are at Blizzard or Activision if the top dog understood the struggles women have to find their place in the community. Thanks for reading.
@Exiest(ex)Osas Saso dude chill. I support equality for both genders and am against gender exclusivity, literally said that in a prior comment. If you’re suggesting the claims made at Activision and Blizzard are false then I think you need to re-evaluate the fact that maybe some people tell the truth since we’ve seen this stuff happen before in companies (backed up by proof). I’m just saying that obviously women’s place in gaming is unsteady when you compare it to men in games (excluding your typical ‘women’ games like sims - once again that game shouldn’t be gendered either, anyone can enjoy it). Thought that was common knowledge so just chill. We can all agree that gaming should be a place for all, nobody should put up with harassment directly because of their gender, race, sexual orientation or whatever. Simple.
No I totally agree. You think teaching people to not grope female coworkers would just be a think people would know. Like did you parents teach you to respect personal space and not make unwanted advances?
Maybe I'm just too cynical and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that the people who sexually harass others are unaware that what they are doing is wrong. In most cases, I think they know but they just clearly don't care. In reality, the sexual harassment training is not actually aimed at educating them, it's just meant to protect the company from any liability in cases of sexual harassment, so the only guilty party is the employee. That's why they make everyone sign a contract at the end of the training which attests that they understood everything that was taught. If the training was truly about learning, they'd give them a test they have to pass instead of a dumb piece of paper written by the company's lawyers to sign.
@@CosmicTeapot they know that shit is wrong most of the time, it just doesn't matter to many of them because they are often higher on a societal ladder so they get away with it
@Exiest(ex)Osas Saso Not that false accusations isn’t an issue (I think people who destroy other people’s reputation should get the same sentence the accused would have gotten if he’d been guilty) but when you focus on complaining about that when discussing sexual harassment... it’s a bit like complaining about losing your cell phone in the middle of a house fire. Sure, losing your cell phone sucks but there are more pressing issues to resolve first. And focusing on putting out the fire does not mean we won’t try to find your cell phone afterwards. Right now, people are just focusing on trying to stop people from acting like actual neanderthals because in terms of proportions, it is the larger problem.
@UCJO_a0XfHG5Z5kWdIUXMEzg Believe me, I’m tired of this too. And not only because it’s unfair to those falsely accused but also because it discredits people who are actual victims. Imagine you were raped by your boss and when you tried to speak out, people told you you were just lying for money/attention because of the behaviour of devious opportunistic shitstains. You just gotta keep in your mind that in the grand scale of things, the number of real victims of rape/sexual harassment still far outweighs the number of victims of false accusations and you don’t want to intimidate them into keeping quiet. Most importantly, I think society as a whole needs to quit it with its extremist black and white stances on every issue. Every topic is polarized nowadays between two fronts just sticking labels and buzzwords to those who hold opposing views and it’s just childish/immature. It doesn’t has to be this way... god forbid people actually hold a constructive open-minded conversation focused on fixing issues for once... but yeah, I’ve long lost hope that people will start acting like balanced/rational individuals. We’re pretty much doomed as a species.
Blizzard is trash, they've had very unkind attitude towards their consumers and content creators throughout the years based on the stories heard over the years...and what is also sad is the behaviour of these self-righteous internet vigilantes that find satisfaction through harrassing others that are mostly innocent and have no involvement.
Stopped engaging with them years ago just because every product they put out seem like a copy paste or just a $40 expansion of the same thing I'm already playing except I get 10 more levels I know it's easy to hate on them right now due to their rape culture but when is the last time they put out an original game ? I guess when you spend all of your time harassing female employees getting blacked out drunk the best you can do is Magic the Gathering rip off.
As someone who was an avid Hearthstone player I started to just feel guilty for even supporting the company and had to quit. The amount of scandals and just bad things that they did since the game launched was crazy, most of which never made major headlines like this. On one occasion they banned a professional player of the game for showing social media support of the Hong Kong protests when they were happening, along with a range of money-grabbing schemes in game which just got worse. Sucks man.
The best way to make a company change its way is to stop supporting them. Support the talented people who are trying to work hard in these horrible companies.
@@charlespanache7047 The only reason blizzard is still alive is a lot of people love to buy their games out of habit; Overwatch loot boxes also help keeps them afloat.
That’s just so gross. Especially the woman who had her pictures spread among the work place. People need to start taking things like that seriously. That kind of behavior is too normalized and you have people like that woman who will take their lives out of shame and humiliation for two seconds of someone else’s ego flex.
"We are sickened by the reprehensible conduct of the DFEH to drag into the complaint the tragic suicide of an employee whose passing has no bearing whatsoever on this case and with no regard for her grieving family. While we find this behavior to be disgraceful and unprofessional, it is unfortunately an example of how they have conducted themselves throughout the course of their investigation. It is this type of irresponsible behavior from unaccountable State bureaucrats that are driving many of the State’s best businesses out of California." -Activision-Blizzard spokesperson Dude. That last line tells me everything about how scum Blizzard has become. From my understanding, this whole "Businesses fleeing California" has to do with extremely stringent infrastructure permits. So by blizzards logic rampant sexual harassments to the point of serious legal trouble = "No the dishwasher can't go there"
@Louielolbruh3 I know you want attention and all that since your words irl hold no power and mean nothing, so you target kids to feel something and all, but why in the comment section of jesus? like if u were to say that in a jacksepticeye comment section you would get like 100x more attention Like its obviously a troll but like... why here?
It’s absolutely disgusting, one of the worst responses from a company to date. Also, the fact that they claim the woman who committed suicide during THEIR company retreat after multiple of THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES shared nudes of the poor woman during the event is unrelated to the sexual harassment problems in Blizzard Activision is an absolute insult to the woman and her family. Soulless company at its finest.
@@oluftheexplorer9476 bruh. That Die Hard game sucked ass lol.. It was cool and unique for the NES sure but the game sucked so hard lol. I still habe nightmares about using my ome arm to try and beat the shit out of a guy turning my game into a bullet hell
@@oluftheexplorer9476 true true. They made some very classoc and very good Atari 2600 games way back when. Thats probably all the credit I can give to them
I didn't realize people thought they were a good company. They rival EA in the shittiest company category. When EA is #2 most hated company, Activision Blizzard is #1, when EA is #1 most hated company, Activision Blizzard is #2.
@@oliver-04 EA does way more shit than that. You probably don't know that because you're not a game dev, you don't work in the industry or look into the industry that much, but EA has been top of the list of shit for DECADES with their garbage business practices and horrible working standards. Just read EA_Spouse's open letter from 2004. Not much has changed.
You are all fools, this shit has been going on for years, they make there employees crunch all the time. Almost every big game company does it, Gear box ceo lays people off during a pandemic to line his pocket, wake up people
Aside from literal crimes, blizzard/Activision have no sense of community and have no plan for real longevity in their games. On the esports side, they kill games intentionally for the next one. Starcraft was murdered, hots was murdered, and overwatch was murdered. On the casual side, wow only has bursts of activity for like weeks after an expansion. Diablo mobile was something nobody asked for. The call of duty games have been ass up until recently and still theyre mediocre, and they still release every year (same formula). The company just rinse repeats with killing dedicated players and their passions for a quick buck. This is opposed to games like eso or counterstrike which are built to last. Eso with constant events and great content and community outreach. Counterstrike with tournaments and hype and competitiveness (blizzard intentionally shut down tournament orgs for years with their licensing idea. In reality it was to make room for overwatch league, but then they decided to kill that too with a quick cash to youtube). Please don't give this company money anymore.
I still cant forgive them for how overwatch was killed, had so much fun with it and I feel like it could have been on level with League of legends in terms of popularity.
COD has been ass for the last like 6 years. And each year has just been progressively worse. I hate that company, and this stuff just puts the cherry on top.
The only problem with Charlie's take on anti-sexual harassment screening is that there are probably a lot of people out there who know how to seem respectful and decent on the outside in an interview, all the while concealing their true degenerate nature. Therefore, companies probably find it a safe option to just give everyone the training as standard practice... But on the other hand, there are also probably lots of pervs that laugh at the anti-harassment stuff they are fed, check the boxes they know they are supposed to, and just go on to harass women anyway, so there is that too.
I think the key is to have systems that let companies hold those subhumans accountable. HR needs to stop protecting abusers because oh noes we have to protect the rich peoples. Just make it more expensive to keep sexual abusers around
It’s extremely counterintuitive and dumb because corporations will cite their utilization of anti-harassment training (which is obviously useless bullshit) as defense in court to “disprove” their negligence in their response to employee complaints
I can't help but feel a bit uncomfortable when you use vocabulary such as ''degenerate''(like op) and ''subhumans''(like kkcat). Just think about the history of these words, and how they were used. You can show disdain against sexual abusers without that.
Discouraging too that 'nobody told me not to' is invoked often enough for companies to feel the need to cover their asses over it. You never see people claiming they were unfairly fired because nobody explicitly told them not to, say, get back at coworkers by microwaving dog turds in the break room - it's quite reasonably assumed that any functional adult already knows not to do that.
No one has considered Blizzard of being a dream job for over a decade. They should be ashamed of the quality of their games not to mention all the other stuff.
They are one of the biggest game dev companies out there dude. Trust me. TONS of folks think of it as the crown jewel to work for in gaming. Glad those idiots are waking up more now lol. Saying it's a dream job to work there is like saying it's a dream job to work fast food.
See... Here's a comment I just found lol. "It’s scary as a woman entering the gaming industry. I’m still in school for it and my dreams to work for Riot and now Blizzard are pretty much fucked."
I remember one coworker talking about how it would be his dream to work at Blizzard. Granted, pretty sure he hit multiple girlfriends so he'd probably fit right in.
No one is immune to propaganda. Blizzard has managed to maintain for many an unblemished image of a company too big to fail. Some people simply love the IPs and want to contribute to them. Yes, such people are more vulnerable to exploitation by these companies, but instead of blaming them, we should blame the evangelists for propagandizing and the companies themselves for exploiting.
@@TheVeryBestBaby Wake up who? Lol. Everyone knows what's going on. What are you gonna do about it? Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar corporation. China is probably the strongest country on Earth. The fuck are ordinary plebs gonna do about it?
@@amp4105 I'm just amazed at the "wake up sheeple" type of person. Like, most people know what's going on. The system cannot be overturned by typing fucking woke hashtags and calling others sheep. It's a ridiculous mindset keyboard warriors seem to love.
@@stankobarabata2406 i mean he can type what he typed..just without the "wake up people" because yeah we do know whats going on and he's really annoying haha. It's good that the info is out there, even if it turns into boring lectures for those that already knew. The more that people type this stuff at least it'll either inform new people or shake their trust, and maaaybe join the good side...even though it's in a comment section on youtube...still
“Activision Blizzard is horrible” Air allows you to breathe. Edit: damn I didn't know that oxygen didn't allow you to breathe, sorry. I think i fixed it now.
@@simbadg13 are you serious? Thank god they deserve something for turning probably the best fps game of its generation into a big fucking flop after only one year
every time I see some news like this it makes me want to cry. I literally love all of the blizzard franchises and to see them slip further and further into the abyss is depressing.
I'm heartbroken. Blizzard has been my favourite company since I was a small child and it was my childhood dream to work there, making art for WoW and stuff like that. Crazy to see how many women with the same dream as mine went there to get mistreated. Can't even imagine how it feels...
@@MrTheclevercat that doesn’t make the problem any less important, also this is actually pretty awful and not a small issue, its easy to see it as a small issue if you don’t deal with it everyday.
@@MrTheclevercat Well, the world doesent revolve around you. Anyways, as someone who used to live in a third world country, its also an issue there. And, there are enough people who care in this world to remove this problem.
The gaming industry as a whole is beyond trash at this point. And people always defend the weirdest stuff but idk how people are even interested anymore
As a whole? No. The majority of the most innovative, fun and even thought provoking games have been independently developed games by people who have focus and passion in their vision, the stagnant AAA industry giants and premium currency mobile goblins are the problem, we need to the democratize by giving more focus and attention to the indie gaming space. What AAA giants do is stay stagnant on their ass till they see the revenue drip and only do ANYTHING after the fact, seriously how the fuck can you release such a game like the Avengers in 2020 when the gameplay is less complex has less depth than something from 20 years ago, plus you have to pay big bucks just to have miniscule amounts of additional content. Fuck man I can buy ULTRAKILL (release 2020 the highest rated game of all time highly recommend) for the price of a bunch of lootboxes that contain retextured shit some student intern made for free. Yeah haha that's Late-stage capitalism . SUPPORT GAMING INDEPENDENCE
Because they don’t know what it’s like to be harassed literally every day while everyone around them minimizes the pain they are going through. Also there’s a lot of losers out there that can’t get any female interaction that back these frat fucks up because they wish they were them
It could be a joke, but jokes can end up taking a serious, real, and dark turn. So either way, it’s still wrong. “It’s just a joke” is not a valid excuse.
Hilarious because a lot of the anti-SJWs like The Quartering and whoever actually are mad at Blizzard too. WoW has become kinda shit lore-wise so that does tend to piss anti-SJWs off. They also see Blizzard as a "woke" company just like all the other Western video game companies, probably adding fuel to the fire.
@@icyr0bin-794 "xyz group bad, not getting mad at company" "xyz group is mad at company" "xyz group bad, getting mad at company for wrong reasons" I advise you to care less about other people's ideologies. Splitting everything into groups of bad versus good and what you like versus what you dislike will only poison you.
That can happen no matter where you work. I've seen it happen in factories, I'm not surprised it happens in offices too. But you shouldn't be afraid of it. Just be aware that you can't rely on HR and your safety is your responsibility. Tell other people who will help you and watch out for you if you're ever harassed but going into a job with that fear is no way to live.
@卐Savetion卍 this channel is a holy place that creeps like you don’t deserve, for yours and everyone else’s sake it’s probably best you live off the grid for the rest of your life’s
As someone in the games industry, I’d like to personally say to each of you who was planning on getting into this industry, but is now thinking otherwise, we can be the ones that make a difference. If enough of us won’t stand for this we can change the industry bit by bit. The old guard will eventually be forced to drop their posts and, when that happens, it’s up to us to decide who picks up the torch. The cruel souls they’ve hand crafted with their malicious ideals or those of us who want games to be a place where everyone has a voice
@@MrTheclevercat you're under several comments sounding extremely bitter about the fact that women are speaking up, pull your head out of your ass and realize not everything is about you
As a woman who studied game design, this is terrifying I know young 20-something women who ended up working for blizzard, and I'm scared to know how much of this effected them. Their response was disgusting and pathetic. There needs to be change in the industry
btw are you working in any company now/if you are, can u plz tell me the name of the company.Im currently in 12th grade in India and im interested to work in a good environment
I'm actually currently studying game design and everyone's the goal is to end up working for a big popular company and settle, I guess it's wrong of us to assume they'd have good company policies but dear god, I didn't think it would get NEARLY as bad. I can't imagine being those women in Blizzard thinking they hit the jackpot only to find working downright miserable. I'm fucking terrified.
@@dokadoka4922 Blizzard was one of my goals when I first started to study. I graduated last year right into this pandemic so I didn't go to California and I'm so happy I didn't. My professors warned us (by which I mean myself and the TWO OTHER GIRLS IN MY ENTIRE GRADUATING CLASS IN MY MAJOR) that we would have to be able to stand up for ourselves to be heard... but this is more than I ever expected. My best advice is to follow connections you know and trust. Network and support each other. Make sure you know people there and that you keep contacts, especially if you go to a company as big as blizzard. And if all else fails... don't be scared to go indie. The most important thing my professors said to aid in the change is for more women to take control of the industry and have a louder voice. Acknowledge your fear, but do not let it hold you back. I wish you (and Music in My Mind) the best ♡
@KingNyx why did you say edge? Also yanderedev has made thousands of dollars from patreon and he still hasn’t even finished the game yet. In fact he barely even finished the first rival. HE FINISHED THE FIRST RIVAL AFTER HALF A DECADE. I doubt he’d do any better if he was the ceo of activision lol, he’d fire them all for being better at coding than he is
I guarantee the men denying all this are the same guys who believe that sexism doesn't exist anymore.. "Oh that kind of thing can't possibly happen anymore. All men are angels and perfect gentlemen!"
@Maldito Mur By that standard there are no progressives at all; Since you are just going to invalidate them at the moment they inevitably betray your expectations.
@Maldito Mur Im merely illustrating your scotsman fallacy. Your standards for what is ought to be considered a progressive person does not reflect the reality of progressive people; Its practically the same shit as christians disowning other christians when they do bad shit because "thats not what a real christian would do".
@Maldito Mur So what? The existence of such phenomena is independant of the mindset of employees; You dont need permission or instructions from your higher ups to be a feminist or an ecologist. Its still as much of a guess to assume the perpetrators are one or the other.
@@baptistejean4316 lol, you really are not very educated on this because every comment i see if yours is basically calling the victims liars and taking up for ActiBlizz.
Anyone that defends those jokes in an office space has never worked a professional job and is just crazy and out of the loop. I would maybe make a butt plug or sex joke in private parties/hangouts to female friends that I have known for years, close friends. That being said I don't think I could ever imagine making a rape joke even then. It's so bizarre to imagine guys walking around office floors, going up and down elevators, and just doing whatever they want because they think they can. Weird and out of touch.
You shouldn’t joke about rape in general, it’s not funny. I genuinely think the people defending this company at this point should sit in a cave for 30 years and contemplate their ideals and have some empathy for other people. Absolutely deplorable. The sad thing is knowing the dumbass law in America nothing will probably happen. I regret ever feeding them my money on the cod games I feel like they should be boycotted at this point.
@@Delta9Church yeah if this is what has gotten out, im sure there's even worse which is hard to believe something can be worse than driving a woman to commit suicide.
A victim being harassed reports it to HR who is hanging out in sexual harassment suite with the offender doing the harassing. This goes above and beyond the workplace. *They monopolized the company and Human Resources*.
I've hated Blizzard ever since they sued a teenager for several million dollars for making a custom server in World of Warcraft. They've always been pure evil.
@@LukaBlight69 Nah stop with that. When the lawsuit holds any truth, which it is likely to do because it is filed by the state itself and is in the making for around 2 years, the big players of old Blizzard were part of this too. Even if they didnt do anything, they at least let it happen.
@@TheOfficalAndI "Face value" aka on the front side of things. The co-founder did come out saying these things were an issue before and he did make what I consider the best possible apology, if nothing else, better than what the current CEO said about these things.
@a user 2006 I think. It was a while ago. And that's par for the course with most companies back then, now they pander to "woke culture" and act all inclusive, which makes them even more duplicitous, because anyone with half a brain cell knows they're lying through their teeth.
I love seeing this get covered absolutely everywhere. People need to answer for thier compete disregard for common decency and work culture. I can't believe they are even allowed to drink at work.
@@abominableslothman Hmmm maybe a bartender? I dunno. I mean so long as it doesn’t screw up one’s work performance or endanger anyone. Who knows how many people secretly drink at work, probably a lot. These assholes obviously didn’t hide it lol
right? like whats even the punchline? that they're a socially deprived weirdo who knows they get cant laid so they has to come up with some fucked up hypothetical criminal scenario?? wtf
@@natthehermit8974 Making people feel like trash is not funny. It's disgusting. It can seem funny to stupid cruel selfish people sure... But that's because they are dumb and don't understand reality lol.
"i have required skill and it has been my dream to work here" Blizzard: "Sorry sir but you do not meet the requirements" "i can harass women and give rape threats" Blizzard: "You are hired"
It really is just such a shame. Just in general, the decline of Blizzard has chipped away at my soul. Ultimately though, Blizzard is just a name. The people who want to make good games and be apart of something special will just look elsewhere.
@ Square Enix and Final Fantasy XIV? I dunno man, working at Blizzard now is basically the equivalent of entering a concentration camp, minus the possibility of being executed but with those sudden layoffs, you might as well be getting executed
@ Klei, Pocketwatch, Squad, Frost Giant, 11 Bit Studios, Jagex, Collosal Order, Facepunch, Haemimont Games. I'm sure there are more. If you want to know where the old Blizzard devs who got tired of the culture shift after the Activision acquisition, you have: Bonfire, Frost Giant, ArenaNet, DreamHaven. There are a couple more but I can't remember the names. The companies listed have made games like: Oxygen Not Included, Don't Starve, Tooth and Tail, Monaco, Frostpunk, Ace of Spades, Cities: Skylines, Rust, Tropico Series, Garry's Mod, Guild Wars, Kerbal Space Program. There are plenty of places to look and plenty of good games. Just because they aren't big names doesn't mean they don't make good games.
Lol where will they go? All big companies are pretty trash, even CD Projekt has lost all my respect after the lies and bullshit they pulled with cyberpunk and I'm willing to bet they will spiral down the shitter too.
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@@chelsthegameruiner8669 I didn’t even thought about it cos I don’t like final fantasy. Is Square Enid is a US company?
“Whipping” the workers instead of the CEOs of a company is so backwards. Thats like attacking the minimum wage worker for a supermarket’s decision to not sell a certain product. Only its worse because people are attacking female workers who are also being taken advantage of by the skeeze of Blizzard. Fucking gross.
I disagree that’s like punishing the ceo because an employee out the food in the wrong isle. The employee is the individual who did something wrong not the company(the company could even say they specifically trained the employee not to do that) I just don’t understand how any of this could be pinned upon blizzard.
I mean you don't know that every female employee is being "taken advantage of". We don't even know the prevalance of the practices that they found in the investigation, how many offices where they actually investigating? You can't possibly think that the practice is so widespread that every single Blizzard establishment is involved.
Just look at how they treated disguised toast, invited him for a convention, got toast to pay for the flight and accommodation all himself and then didn't tell him until he was at the airport that the whole event was cancelled...
that story about the woman who took her life… genuinely had me speechless for a while. just thinking. i can’t get over it. that is so fucking terrible.
@@sean_666 It's common to trust the person with whom you're in a relationship. But let's say she shouldn't have, this doesn't make what happened next any less shitty.
People on Twitter who defended the "it's just a joke!" Imagine someone saying that sick shit to your mother, sister, niece, or even worse your own daughter. Like damn have some common decency for other humans.
If those people need to project other women as someone from the family, instead of them as actual people to feel even a little sympathy, then they are already a lost cause
Most people don't have sympathy for any other human that isn't their family or their friends. Co-worker that you didn't like got groped at work? Obviously her fault, bitch was clearly instigating it. Oh, this dude committed suicide after being bullied and harassed? Should've done something, evidently his fault his life was shit.
Anti-harassment training for employees is about as effective as painting your chest to avoid getting shot by bullets. Literally all of it is moot because the executives at the top are rarely held accountable for promoting the toxic environment these training courses try to avoid.
its practically "swiper no swiping"; like there might be a couple of outliers who might be socially inept dudes not consciouss of their behavior but most sexual harassers know exactly what they are doing
As a female gamer, this shit sadly doesn’t surprise me. Anyone else notice why most avid female gamers keep their usernames (usually) gender neutral? No? Because every time a woman is outed for playing a game she gets abused and sexually harassed for just playing by some idiot who thinks that shit is funny. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s not everyone. But even that small minority are enough to ruin the experience for everyone. I can only imagine how much more of that shit developers, coders, artists and women in other gaming industry sectors have to put up with. This is disgusting and appalling behaviour, and I hope these allegations lead to real change in the game development industry as well as in the player community. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy games without fear of being abused simply for their gender.
@Maldito Mur Unfortunately, I don't expect anything to change. Gamers will complain about this type of thing, but that's what they always do: complain. They still buy the games they hate. The MW2 PC boycott is a good example.
You know, as a woman who's been trying to get into the game industry, I was keeping an eye on openings at Activision Blizzard, because as bad as the company has been, it couldn't be that bad, right? ...I'm unsubscribing from their email list and I give Charlie full permission to come to my house and chop both my hands off if I were to ever have an inkling towards giving them a single red penny of my hard earned money.
I feel you. I'm also a college-age woman who has been dreaming/studying game art for several years now, and I knew the game industry was rocky but I had no clue it was THIS bad. I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping I find a good group of people people work with lolllll but now I'm pissed cause I'm looking for a "backup plan" job bc of this :( sucks out here
@@nocturnalpie I'm sure companies like Nintendo could still be fun to work for (since they abuse their fans instead of their employees from what I know). Big game companies mostly suck, but there are many smaller companies that I'm sure would be looking for new talent. Maybe you could even go into indie development, making models or scripts for indie developers to use. Don't just give up on your dreams
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 no, you gotta be aware that you are capable of evil because it's people who don't even have this critical thought of themselves tend to do evil and not even notice.
I feel so bad turning a blind eye to all of this stuff for so long. Making excuses just so I could stay in my bubble. Done with that. Man I will be sad to leave my friends behind but I just cant support this anymore
Defending "Chill, it's just a joke" when it involves harassment is the biggest red flag that the person does those things themselves and is being defensive more to justify their own behavior. If this is you then you have a problem. It's never too late to get help and become a more considerate person, seriously.
I’m honestly sad that I’m not surprised by these allegations of sexual harassment and bullying, considering how they write women in their stories. It’s especially apparent with the trauma and abuse survivors in WoW. They portray them as crazy and evil for wanting justice against the people who wronged them, but write the abusers who gaslight them as heroic and the ‘real heroes’. Then at the end of the day, the victims either die, get imprisoned and tortured, or are pacified into not wanting justice. They basically say ‘hey, trauma surviving women? We hate you and want you to suffer.’
I don't know nothing about blizzard's characters, but if they have any strong female characters, is just marketing. No company believes in their website mission page, that is always marketing, a lie to sell. That is why I say to you, what I say to everyone else. Don't give any money to any company, because they don't deserve your money, and you should not sustain the salaries of this people. You can get any game for free on internet, so do it. Don't give any money to sick people.
Speaking as someone involved in hiring at my company, hiring is really really hard to do well. People will do or say anything / put up any fake personality necessary to get hired. I imagine this is amplified based on the prestige of the company being applied / interviewed for. And Acti-Blizz probably deals with this big time. Not to hand wave or say this makes any of it ok, I'm just saying it's not as easy as "well they shouldn't have been hired in the first place". This is where the idea of mandatory training comes from. No company can ever truly know someone's true personality or intentions (I mean shit, you can't really even truly know your best friends for that matter). And while they are on the clock they are that company's responsibility to keep safe. And sexual harassment training is part of that. All of this said however, I mean if you're going to be a rapist of any kind I don't think 30 minutes of skipping through training modules is going to stop you. But that's corporate America for you. "We tried"
Well said from someone who actually understands this kind of thing and isn’t just chasing good boy points making a quick video. You can’t just know someone’s bad all the time. Ted Bundy never would have got a victim if humans were omniscient judges of character. I think that the real case/issue here would be the verified stuff like having to write an essay to explain your time off like a child while your coworkers do not etc. But whatever fuck activison blizzard this probably won’t make any big change as long as teenage boys buy the new cod and WOW addicts keep up their addiction but here’s to hoping they have to pay out to some victims or that Bobby can’t afford a 3rd new mansion this year diamond swimming pools don’t grow on trees wagies!
It’s a fucking wake up call, and should of been anticipated. The internet and rise of hypergamy has really sexually frustrated men and in my opinion has led to a rise in sexual harassment. Women only choose the top 30% of men while men would sleep with the top 70% of women not to say anything against women, a lot of men put themselves in the lower 70% because video games, no drive, immature behavior, nothing close to what I would describe as proper masculinity, (not misogyny) but stoicism, individuality, honor, respect, and a serious yet flexible outlook on life. All in all the internet has fucked up the male-female relationship and in turn thats fucking up other aspects of life. Feel free to correct me, this is all conjecture and might be totally off. I for one have never even thought about touching a women in the workplace let a alone grope them in an inappropriate place. It’s really inconceivable to me, just keep to yourself, do your work, go home and live how you want to. Again no blame to women whatsoever, this is more of an argument against how we use the internet
