What makes the Yakuza example work well is that they use actors that made their name through films depicting the yakuza culture, so there is a natural connection there for your brain to draw from and thus feels appropriate even if the media they're featuring in is different from their movies.
This why i think Sega has struck gold by the loads in the Yakuza series. There's just something special, awesome, hilarious & yet cool about the series that few others as of late dont have or have lost.
As a spanish man, may i say you pronounce Guillermo del Toro's mexican name really good without sounding like a drunk hooligan in Benirdorm or in the center of Madrid looking for place to eat bad and overpriced paella and sangria? That's a real compliment.
TheGamingBritShow Not gonna lie, for a moment I thought you were Mexican until I remembered being Brit is part of your schtick (then I felt stupid). Your pronunciation caught me off guard.
You ever talked to a native spanish talker like a mexican or a spanish? It's very common tfor US and Uk guys use complex phonems with spanish names and their more simple phonems so they talk like, how we call the here, a guiri cause they have so many british or american accent they sound like they are trying too hard to talk in spanish.
he sees the games as a similar format to movies (just like Kojima), that's why their games are more interactive style and uses A-list actors. honestly though, I don't see the problem in slapping the actor's face, unless of course if the actor is only there for marketing their face and isn't doing anything with performance at all. which is not the case in David Cage's games. (aside from Omnikron and Fahrenheit) everyone of his games has tremendous actors, who have gave some the most genuine performances ever
Yeah, I miss the time when so many game designers didn't feel like the medium was inferior to film and television and that they have something to prove. Um, guys, if that's how you feel about video games then go work in the film industry dammit. The game designers and the players who love video games as video games won't miss you.
That's exactly the point. Look at parallels between the two industries: Both are called 'industries' (term that makes it sound like their shit is made on an assembly line) Over enthusiastic about sequels, remakes, reboots, remasters. Focused on the bottom-line instead of quality. Only concerned with making market-research, focus tested to hell and back inoffensive generic franchises.
inoffensive coddler Either you have horrible interpretation skills, or you're just being a dumbass. Naughty Dog uses motion capture completely opposite of how Kojima and other AAA developers use it. Naughty Dog hires actual voice actors and uses their motion capture performance to create a character. If you have actually paid attention to the video, Charlie has a problem with Developers building characters around an actor, and that is NOT what Naughty Dog does.
See, the problem is that a large number of the developers who promote these practices actually tried to be filmmakers earlier in their lives and didn't make it, so they went off to become video game writers and directors. They're the reason all these games focus so much on garnish.
I feel like this is a problem with a ton of modern video games now, they're ashamed of being video games and more want to be movies or shows. The thing is, video games will have something that films and television will never have, and that's interactivity. Films and TV have their stories and experiences pre-defined throughout the whole runtime, the events will always play out the same no matter how many times you reverse the story. But a video game is different, it's not about being told the story, but experiencing a story, as yourself, through the moment to moment gameplay. This is why film/show adaptations of video games tend to suck, you're taking the thing that makes it unique out, it's interactivity. It's not a promotion, it's a reduction. Video games are at their best when they are video games.
What's the names of the characters in Death Stranding? Because at this point I think we're all so used to calling them by their actors' names I'm not sure we'll change it when the game comes out. The "protagonist" will forever be Norman Reedus.
ShayMay Hey! nice to see you here. It is already distracting when I am watching a movie and the actor isn't good enough to play a different persona so I only see them as (name your actor here)... so it is even more distracting when it is done in a video game, because it reminds me that for some reason developers forget the GAME portion of the video GAME. Video games are already a very unique medium because of its interactivity so why do people try to make them into movies?
I don't want to say anything specific because I'm very prone to changing my mind but it's coming! Ended up with a script that was 60,000 words and counting, dunno if I'm going to do it anymore. Thanks for waiting man.
don't forget, Hayter was replaced and Sutherland came in to read about 20 lines of dialogue. I don't think I can recall a single complete sentence Snake uttered in MGS5, and I played it for 300 hours
Rodrigo Lanas MGS5 was meant to have a different person play as snake look at the ending in MGS4 there had to be a difference a unfamiliar feel as who the player is like the title itself it's the phantom pain of MGS...
the only thing I can remember, is the decoy saying ''kept u watinghu?'' lol and the ''dont balme yourself, blame me'' line, that was cut, but was pretty badass.
***** yeah I actually think Sutherland was a good sport, promoting the game while a lot of what he did ended up cut. It just shows how lame Konami is that after making all that fanfare about hiring him they just abused him like everyone else
@@noalb3108 Geralt looks generic and barely have any noticable major features? lol White hair, cat-like eyes, scars. If that's your definition of "barely have any noticable major features" then you clearly don't know wtf you are talking about. I don't think you even know Geralt or what he looked like.
I think the fact that I only saw Luke Cage in the first clip of Halo 5 you showed kinda proves your point. That said, now I really want to play Yakuza 6.
Play it,Man. Combat might feel a little bit weird since 6 is first Dragon Engine game but once you get the hang of it,You're going to love it. And just in case you didn't played previous games,Be sure to play Yakuza 0 to 5 first so you won't be confused with some reference about past events!
to be fair Kojima always had a weird boner for "real" actors for his projects I think because now he's big enough to run his own studio he doesn't have that wall to stop him from doing what he wants, after all in the original MGS Snake was modeled after a younger Christopher Walken but he was voiced and written well, let's hope that same process went into this game because if we don't get gameplay soon I'm gonna have serious doubts about Kojima...
MrAtomic707 So you're comfortable with just *concepts and teasers* instead of something that gives actual context as to what the game is actually about? I'm very exited for this but we still don't know jack shit about what it's actually about. For all we know it's similar to how MGS plays but with more action?
+Arcademan09 I dunno what you're talking about my man. Everyone I've talked to LOVED The Evil Within teaser trailer. It really showed what the game was all about. /endsarcasm People fucking loved it though. Because people get hyped about shit (read: No Man's Sky), get burned, rage for ages and then immediately forget when another game comes out. I mean ffs look at Deathwing right now. Look at Dishonored 2's launch. Gamers, for the most part, are like retards who never learn no matter how many times their burned.
@@stinkfinga4918 in the development of the first mgs he asked Yoji Shinkawa to make Snake with a Jan Claude Van Damme type body but Shinkawa pretty much just did what he did
There's another reason why this is done - it makes facial mocap easier, because morphing between radically different faces (actor vs. avatar) produces artifacts and odd expressions, you have to do clean up. That and also since we're getting to acting-level of expression, we need actual actors, rather than programmers doing the mocap.
That is not entirely true. Is it true that using mocap is a much easier(and faster) way to archieve a good and believable animation, but using the mocap animation set on a perfect model of the actor's face or on a character with really different features, it's the same. Look at Metal Gear Solid 5 for example: we have Quiet, who is almost identical to her voice and mocap actress, and Big Boss who doesn't look at all like Sutherland. As long as the character is human, there is no difference in using mocap on a damn portrait of the actor, or on an original face.
"As long as the character is human, there is no difference in using mocap on a damn portrait of the actor, or on an original face." Nonsense. The geometry of the face models is different, so you have to adjust for this in skinning/rigging. That can produce good results, yes, but you do have to account for the differences. (and yes, there is manual clean up even if you're animating the same actor's model, but obviously less so) In your example, I'm fairly sure they didn't straight up use the raw mocap of Sutherland for Big Boss, the difference in their faces has to be considered when you do the face rig and even later when you're going through the raw mocap doing the cleanup. Yes, you can mocap a completely different character, that's why cartoons still use mocap. But you have more stuff to deal with than if the character looks like the person.
What always bugged me about celebrity involvement in games is that most of their performances aren't even memorable. You'll rarely ever see people counting down the best game performances and seeing a "well known" actor in there. Micheal Ironside is probably an exception to this but I am convinced he is much better at voice acting.
you gotta be joking. there are several exceptions when a celebrity did a memorable performance. Martin Sheen - Mass Effect 2 Ellen Page - Beyond Two Souls Mark Hamill - Arkham City Matthew Perry - Fallout New Vegas Gary Oldman - CoD Black Ops and World At War Samuel Jackson - San Andreas Patrick Stewart - Castlevania I think you should play more games
GekkanShounen now that videogames have "mature stories" for "mature adults" games are no longer a kids toy! Who needs endlessly repeatable, challenging and rewarding games when you could just walk around and get told a story!
Oh I see, thank you. I've always wanted to play the Persona games, especially with the next one coming out. Should I start from 1 or can you jump directly to any of them?
Showing why the Yakuza series is great (can't wait for Zero....OOOOO YES) though Death Stranding might be good and here's hoping, its not like Kojima hasn't fucked with people before with trailers. But i agree that i rather be seeing gameplay than famous actors/people after all...its a video game...not a movie
The hype is unwarranted, I dont get hyped for any games until I see a gameplay video and a release date, so this is all noise to me. Why do I give a fuck that Norman Reedus is in the game I'm playing, he aint that big a star anyway, maybe if you had like Tom Cruise, I might say something like "hmmn ok let's see what this is" but it takes more than B List hollywood stars to hype me up for a game that doesn't exist yet.
Grabbing my attention is different from being hyped, it'll surprise me because you know, Cruise is an A list celebrity who makes millions of dollars per appearance and I'd be intrigued enough to do a couple google searches about the game but I aint gonna be hyped. With this one, I don't care at all, I actually didn't even finish watching the trailer because if it ain't a gameplay trailer, I aint interested, that's just me. I love the Last of us, I think it's the best game I ever played but I didn't feel any hype watching the reveal because I cant without seeing a release date and/or actual gameplay, I need to know a game is real and that I'm almost 100% liklely to play it before I get hyped
I saw the title of this video and thought to myself "This is the most nitpicky thing I think I've ever seen" but after watching it I came to the realization that almost every single one of my favorite and, in my opinion, most memorable video game characters are all stylized original characters not based on a real person...
TheGamingBritShow has been on this number of subscribers for a pretty long time I think. I think most of his subscribers come from his review of Metroid: Other M.
I think the mocap performances are extraordinary but only work if they're applied to models that aren't based purely on the actor. Thanos in Infinity War is a great example of this. They put characteristics of Brolans face in the design, but they changed it enough to keep it from being distracting.
1:50 back in 2016 when someone would use a screen capture of Kevin Spacey while saying, unironically, "celebrities cause buzz and using them will widen the demographics."
I'm so glad someone said it. Video games have so much freedom that lots of other mediums aren't capable of- making new faces, environments, etc. Why limit yourself by copy-pasting famous actors onto a video game? Granted, Kojima chose two actors that at least appear to be an interesting combination, but I would rather see Kojima use these people to serve as a foundation for what a character should look like. Solid Snake is a perfect example of an iconic, interesting character design that uses inspiration from Hollywood movies. His name is David (2001: A Space Odyssey), he has a bandanna (First Blood), and uses an alias "Plisken" (Escape from New York), all references to something. Snake is not, however, just a copy-paste of these different movies.
While you make some solid points in this, I can't help but disagree for the most part. The crux of your discussion seems to be something like "Actors in video games are bad because they're recognizable." Which has some merit to it, don't get me wrong. I was thinking the same thing when Reedus showed up at the end of P.T. But, and you mention this yourself, Kojima has always been a fan of merging games and movies. He's said he wants to reinvent the action genre like he reinvented the stealth genre. Just because you recognize someone's face doesn't mean it's ham-ish or will date it. I mean, the same could be said for voice actors, if you think about it. I don't know how many times I've heard the same voice actor in a different game doing the exact same voice as another character from another game. It only takes you out of the experience if you let it. You can see the same actor in several movies and, if they're good, they'll play their parts well and really bring that character to life and have it stand independently of their other performances. So I guess I don't quite understand the primary core of your argument, because it just seems like the next logical step for Kojima. Whether it's a good choice or a bad one, well, only time will tell. But I don't see a lot of bad about it.
I agree, I don't see why it dates the game, is the PS1 game Apocalypse dated by the fact that it has Bruce Willis? Your point for voice actors is a good one, should Mark Hamill stop voice acting because I recognize his voice?
Thunderwear I agree, Everytime I play peace Walker and hear Kazuhira, I hear Travis, and Everytime I hear MGSV kaz, I hear Tablot and the third voice on Saints Row 3&4
His main gripe seems to be that they chose to use these trailers to showcase all the famous faces they have on board in place of any hard context regarding the game's setting or play. Basically, he's mad the game's so far selling itself on face alone. Not that it has celebrity presence, but that it's the only presence.
Slug of Borg yeah but that's what more or less every game does with their reveal trailers. they show off the charactrers and how to world around them looks. they dont throw plot and gameplay into these kinds of trailers. at best they throw in some 1 frame picture of gameplay.
I think his problem is that original characters are more memorable and immersive than using the faces of real people, especially well-known actors. Recognizing someone's voice in a game isn't anywhere near as distracting as recognizing someone's face, especially if it's the face of the main protagonist that you recognize. Voice actors can really bring a character to life if they do a good job, and it's much easier to ignore the fact you recognize a voice than it is with a face. You really underestimate the range of a human being's vocal chords. People can make significantly different voices, but they can't change their face outside of plastic surgery. All it does is create an extra hurdle to immersing the player in the game world, and a needless one at that. You also didn't attempt to address his cast of memorable video game characters at all. Which one leaves more of an impact, Dante or that character Kevin Spacey played in Call of Duty? Ratchet or that character that guy from Mad Men played in L.A. Noire? Sure, time will tell, but I highly doubt we'll need much more time to realize that using the faces of real people in video games is generally inferior to using a completely original character with a face that no one recognizes.
TheGamingBritShow Yeah. I was watching Westworld and the actor that played Trevor is in it. It's kinda strange seeing him since all I see is Trevor and thinking that he was gonna go on a rampage or something.
it doesnt matter if you dont know who the "Famous" people are. those famous people in the DS trailers would not stand out to me because I have never seen them before.
Okay this is driving me crazy, but what the fuck is the appeal of this Death Stranding..thing? And like Yahtzee said: "emphasis on 'thing.' " I have no idea what this game is supposed to be and people are just already hyped about it. I don't get it
1:05 "When actors portray characters in films... they want to make you believe they're a different person". I've spoken to trained actors and, interesting point, this is not true. They want you to believe they are themselves in a different situation than real life. It's far more believable to be an extension of yourself, rather than try to be someone else. It makes little difference to the video, but I thought it worth mentioning.
Unknown people would work way better than celebrities IMHO. Using a face no one knows to build a character, even if that person can't do a good acting, you can have someone else who does, do the mocap and maybe even the voice...
I still want original faces for protagonist and main character's for future games. Just look at Snake, his fictional face is so iconic and irreplacable. I was a bit worried about Death Stranding about this thing when they showed Norman but at the same time I'm wierdly excited about Mads Mikkelsen, he is a legendary actor and want to see how it goes.
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You make a good point about the reasoning with developers using real established actors, but I can't say I can agree with the problem of using them. Like how you say they're just using them to show off their connections and that they're able to get popular people from well known shows and movies. You can make the same argument for any movie that casts a popular actor for their role, not just a game. That disconnection from the same actor cast as different roles has got more to do with your own image of that actor rather than a game flaw. Should actors not be able to work in different projects due to their previous work, regardless of how popular said work is? Nowadays, in cinematic (as much as I hate that word) games, acting talent and range is really important to nail the atmosphere and tone of the game. Talking about Death Stranding here, you're right in that there hasn't been any gameplay to show for to get hyped about, but that doesn't negate the excitement for the trailers either. Gameplay is a part of what makes a good game. there is also atmosphere, story, level design and so on. What we've seen in the trailer is a glimpse of the setting, tone and story. Something many fans of Kojima enjoy the most about his games. Others will prefer the gameplay and, as such, won't care as much for these trailers. It's just a matter of what's more important to people in the game.
I disagree, so much of personality comes from an actor's face. Just yesterday I was reading an article about why according to psychologists, Mads' face seems so evil. We are in an age where we don't have to imitate biology anymore, we can just directly capture it.
Which is why it would be great if they found some amazing unknowns like in Silent Hill 2. You don't need famous actors to get amazing performances and I'm sure Mads face isn't the only one that can intimidate.
Guy Montag Sadly we have a shortage of Michelangelos, tech is so advanced now that artist created face would look fake/unnatural. BTW I'm sure Lisa from P.T was not a celeb. So there is use for making custom faces by hand.
BTW was just watching a GDC presentation on Portal 2 postmortem. The writers said that they had Merchant as Wheatly and as J. K. Simmons CJ in their head when writing these characters. They got lucky that the actors agreed to do it.
Excellent points that I honestly hadn't considered. I never gave it too much thought one way or the other but it's kind of one of those "can't unsee" things that's gonna bug me from now on. So...thanks? I guess? Also that Persona gag at the end killed me.
I'm going to hold off on opinions until the final product is out. Kojima is known for trolling his fans with pre release content (in a good way) this could end up being a carpet that he pulls out from under our feet later.
Another fantastic video my dude! You have probably the most grounded views on the Videogame industry on YT. Its crazy the evolution gaming is going through. matter of time before its commonplace for famous faces selling video games. guess ill wait and see
Is that the special edition magazine that CVG did on Metal Gear to coincide with 4 coming out? I love you. I remember the feature where Kojima ran down his favourite films. Hell of a magazine, that.
This is a video I can agree with. To me, I've grown a bit sick of the whole photo realism that sticks out like a sore thumb, as if it tries to get your attention to an actor down to the smallest pore. It's become all too familiar with real life if you ask me. With the upcoming releases of Yakuza's 0, Kiwami and 6, I just might give it a shot to play them.
in yakuza 6 the real reason kitano got in there is because this is the last yakuza game to be made (story wise), and yakuza series creator and kitano have been drinking buddies for a very long time so he figured to have some fun with his pal before ending ending arc story, its in one of his interview.
No mention of Stranglehold. It's a video game that is also a sequel to Hard Boiled, so you can't do it without Chow Yun Fat face and acting I think that's an interesting example, to through into the discussion
This is how I feel when i see the same actors over and over again in movies, like with Brad Pitt in Allied, all I could remember how much interesting he was in Inglorious Bastards than in this one. Yeah, it's their job to get as many parts in movies as they can, because its their job, but its really hard to shake off that we've seen them before and it hurts. And don't get me started on voice actors... But I do agree with this, If they are going to add actors, they either have them create amazing characters, or, use an actor who isn't well known or doesn't get around as much.
I definitely understand the point here. It's just strange when games have the ability to do anything they want but actors are directly used to model them. On the bright side, you'll see those actors doing things in games that they probably wouldn't in movies.
