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(Actually) Learning Patience | Fixing Ahsoka | TCW S2E11 

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@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 8 месяцев назад
The emphasis on (actually) 🤣 That sums up exactly how Ahsoka feels. The show says she learned something, but actually, she didn't...
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 8 месяцев назад
“Simple” and “easy” don’t necessarily mean the same thing. That something is simple means that it isn’t complicated or intricate. That something is easy means that it doesn’t require much effort to achieve. Running 100km in order to win a cash prize is simple but not easy, for example. I’m not sure what exactly you’d call this, grammatically speaking, but you could sort of say the same about the words “incredible” and "unbelievable." You could call a stunt unbelievable or incredible, and it’d mean the same thing, but calling a death incredible instead of unbelievable would have a slightly different nuance. As for how “simple isn’t always easy” relates to the episode, I guess it’s referring to the fact that Tera Sinube’s way of doing things was simple. All Ashoka had to do was slow down and listen to him or follow his lead, but it was hard for her to do so. He even told her, “You’re so anxious to find this pickpocket; your worry is equal to his." Maybe it could’ve been that telling Anakin the truth was simple, but not easy for her to muster up the courage to do. Yes, I know that it’s a weak justification, haha. I’m trying. 6:21 She could’ve used the force, right? 8:08 This is just something that I find strange personally. It’s where people refer to others in terms of their relationship instead of by their name in a context where everyone’s already familiar with them. Since she’s talking to herself, it just sounds weird that she’d say “my master’s going to kill me” instead of “Anakin’s going to kill me.”. 8:20 Because it turned out to be a misunderstanding. That was her excuse, unconvincing though it was. 14:56 I mean, when you’re in possession of a weapon as powerful, important, and dangerous as a lightsaber, it’s on you to make sure that it’s not misused, damaged, or stolen. I can only imagine how important that lesson must be during a Jedi’s training. It *was* her fault that the lightsaber was stolen. What’s debatable is how much of the blame she should receive and what her punishment should be, if any. 31:12 I’m pretty sure that that guy was just intimidated by the fact that two Jedi showed up and began questioning and borderline threatening him. I don’t think that he was making an implicit threat or seriously suggesting that Ashoka would have to return the favour. It was probably more of a nervous joke than anything, given his facial expressions and tone of voice, along with those of his partner. 36:55 Good thing that he happened not to be in the path of that presumably very heavy metal door that was just violently force pushed into his room, huh? That easily could’ve turned into a different kind of crime drama, haha. 47:02 Because it is her fault. Not only was she in one of the most dangerous parts of Coruscant, she was specifically told to stay vigilant in case the suspect tried to make a run for it. She should’ve been keeping a close eye on her lightsaber, given the circumstances. Now, she’s not technically responsible for what people do with her lightsaber, but it is her fault that it got stolen in the first place. 54:18 Note that he said that she just “seemed terrified” and that he could sense that something else was troubling her. I’m sure that he would’ve been able to sense genuine fear had she been truly terrified. Given that he was literally able to sense the anxiety of the pickpocket to such a degree that he pinpointed the exact room in which he was located, it’s not too far of a stretch to interpret what he said about her as an insinuation that she was hiding something. Remember, he’s also an expert on crime and the criminal underworld. 57:40 100% agree. That would’ve been cool to see. 1:00:26 Yes, this is a stretch (and probably not something that she would’ve been capable of doing at the time), but it would’ve been cool if she were using the force to pull her body towards the screen so that she could stick to it. 1:04:37 I’m pretty sure that that was a sarcastic joke that Tera made at Ashoka’s expense, not a genuine acknowledgement that she’d learned patience. Fair, given that she’d been doing the same to him for the whole episode. 1:09:03 Use the force. You’re literally in the perfect position to do so. Just deactivate the lightsaber and take it from her. Also, couldn’t she just use the mind trick then and there, or does it require that the target not be expecting it?
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 8 месяцев назад
That's a fair assessment of the meaning behind the quip. And your theory on how it correlates to the episode sounds reasonable enough to believe that that might've been the creators' intent, but yeah, ultimately, it comes down to speculation on our part, so we can never really know for sure what was meant by it. Oh, yeah, good point on how she could've just used the force to get her lightsaber back right away, lol. I'm surprised we missed that 😅 The thing is, she was smiling *as* she said the words "I had a bad feeling." It's just one of those instances where her facial expression/body language doesn't match what she's saying. That happens a lot throughout this show, unfortunately. Strongly disagree that it was Ahsoka's fault she got robbed. She can't control the actions of others. Yes, as we pointed out, she was being rather dumb but I don't think it's entirely fair to suggest she wasn't being vigilant. She was just directing her focus toward the wrong issue (the Weequay who was eyeing her). Yes, it would've been wise to keep an eye on him, but her primary focus should've been the bar exit. And as in our fixed version, the exact same result of Ahsoka having her lightsaber stolen could still have easily occurred even if her attention *was* being directed toward the correct issue. The only reason she'd be concerned over her lightsaber (which would still be drawing her attention away from the task Anakin gave her) is if she somehow knew it would be stolen, which would be dumb, and would only add to her Mary Sueness. There's really no other word for the idea of making Ahsoka seem at fault here: it's victim blaming. Plain and simple. I don't know what you're seeing in the Twi'lek's face that makes you think he's making a joke, but imo, his tone of voice makes it seem like he's dead serious. And he'd be well within his rights to ask for a favor too; that's how things work. You do someone a favor, and they do you one in return. If anything, the guy would probably be stoked to have a Jedi in debt to him, especially one as clearly naïve as Ahsoka, so what you're reading as nervousness could easily be excitement. Yes, Sinube's words suggest that Ione may be hiding something, but Ahsoka was already acting suspicious of her before he said that. Lol, I don't think I've ever heard of force-users essentially being able to turn themselves into the equivalent of a human sticker 😂 Ehhh, I really don't detect any sarcasm from Sinube's tone in that scene. Honestly, we seem to read voices and facial expression very differently. Not sure exactly how the mind trick works beyond it not working on anyone with a strong mind, but yeah, there's been many a time where people could've just pulled an object from someone's hand with the force in order to end a conflict. Though we've only seen the "turn off lightsaber with force" move once or twice in the show: when Yoda uses it on Ventress in the opening episode of the show and when the Mortis gods use it on Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka. So that could suggest that it's a very high level technique, one Ahsoka couldn't use 🤔
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 8 месяцев назад
@@imyouralibi6208 Ah, yes, she *was* smiling when she said, "I had a bad feeling." My bad; it's framed in a way that would make her attempt to deceive Anakin obvious to us, the viewers. Fair point. As for this being Ashoka's fault, it's true that she can't control the actions of other people, but she can control her own. A lightsaber is dangerous, valuable, and supposed to hold at least some personal value to the Jedi that forged it. It was her responsibility to keep it safe, and she failed to do so in a situation in which she could've reasonably been expected to do so. It's not just about being vigilant. She was on one of the lower levels of Coruscant; she knew what kind of people lived down there. I did distinguish between being at fault and being to blame, though. Ashoka *is* at fault here, but how much of the blame she should receive isn't as certain. For example, if the lightsaber had been sold to an assassin who then went on to eliminate three people, Ashoka would still be at fault for that, but she wouldn't take nearly as much of the blame, if any. That's also why I said that the severity of any punishment that she should receive, if any, is debatable. Your fixed version, though, does fix those issues vis-à-vis the theft of the lightsaber. It's also not that she'd be concerned about her lightsaber because she'd know that it *would* be stolen, but rather that it *could* be stolen, or more accurately, that it would have a *higher likelihood* of being stolen. To fix that, she wouldn't have to draw her attention away from the task at hand; she'd simply have to hold the lightsaber in her hand. As for the, Twi'lek, to be honest, the show in its early seasons wasn't very good at giving the character models very expressive faces and fluid/natural movement. The reason why I think that it was a joke was because of the way he shifted his face while he was talking to Ashoka and the fact that his partner, at least, was obviously intimidated by them. He said "do *me* a favour" and not "do *us* a favour," so I assumed that it was a more one-on-one type of joke, given that if he were unwilling to provide the information, they presumably could've gotten it from his partner or tried alternative ways of making him talk. The negotiation power there quite clearly rested in the hands of the Jedi. As for it "being within his rights" to ask for a favour, no? It was, however, within Ashoka's and Tera's rights to arrest them for aiding the thief that stole such a "valuable weapon," as they put it. I wasn't saying that Ashoka wasn't overly suspicious of Ione; I was saying that you didn't need to hold that specific reaction against her. If you weren't, then I apologise. It's just that, given the context of the events leading up to that moment, a reasonable person (including Ashoka, even if she'd been less suspicious of Ione) could've come to the conclusion that Tera was implying that Ione was involved in the murder. Just clarifying. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there have been instances where force users have used the force to pull themselves towards something that they were trying to land on or grab onto, like a ledge or a moving platform. So, theoretically, they could probably do something similar and "pull" an unmoving object like the screen towards themselves, which would, in turn, cause them to go towards it. Then again, force physics isn't that well explained 😅. Tera's joke wasn't sarcastic in tone, but based on the context. You could probably argue that his emphasis on "patience" was sarcastic, but I can't really say that. He'd been talking like that the whole time. While they were together, though, Ashoka was always in a hurry and trying to rush him and threaten everyone in order to find her lightsaber; she wasn't stopping. By the time he'd driven up to her, she'd already failed to retrieve her lightsaber and was essentially stranded with nothing to do, so she was just sulking or "cooling off". That's why he made the joke: because for the first time since they'd started the mission, Ashoka wasn't agitated and all over the place. Besides, I think that he would've been able to sense whether or not she had actually learned patience. As for turning the lightsaber off, I feel like if two force users are in combat, they'd sense the attempt and negate it. As far as we know, the Jango Jumper wasn't force-sensitive and didn't even know how the lightsaber worked. Beyond the examples of Yoda and the Mortis gods, there were at least a few others where lightsabers were activated or deactivated with the force, though not in combat. In one of the unfinished Season 7 episodes, Crystal Crisis, an arms dealer had taken both Anakin's and Obi-Wan's lightsabers and was keeping them on his waist. He told Anakin that "without [his] lightsabers, [he was] defenceless," so Anakin used the force to activate both of them and cut the guy to pieces.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 8 месяцев назад
@@Adam-326 I think it's reasonable that Ahsoka, with no prior experience of being stolen from, wouldn't be expecting someone to be gutsy enough to walk right up to her and take her lightsaber, especially given her arrogant self-assurance. To be fair, the two dealers didn't aid Bannamu in stealing the lightsaber, they were simply helping him pawn it off. Though maybe "within his rights" was the wrong way to put it. My point was that, in the underworld, it's probably common to trade in favors since most who live down there lack wealth and would look for other things to trade. But you're right, it wasn't really fair of the Twi'lek to ask a favor when he and the other dealer were being allowed to go free despite their criminal dealings. Hmm, I disagree that it could be inferred that Ione was involved in the murder. Tera's senses could've been indicating just about anything. The closest example of that force technique that I can think of is in The Last Jedi when Leia pulls herself toward the unmoving ship so that she be rescued from space. But I'm not sure if we want to count anything from the sequels, lol 😅 "Anakin used the force to activate both of them and cut the guy to pieces" Oof, that's brutal. Such a shame that Crystal Crisis never got completed/aired 😞
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 8 месяцев назад
@@imyouralibi6208 Okay, but it’s not about whether or not she *would* have been expecting it, but whether or not she *should* have been expecting it or *could reasonably* have expected it, if we’re talking about the theft. I’m sure that she’d seen a lot during her time as a Jedi by then, and this is speculation on my part, but given how she reacted to the coughing guy, I wouldn’t think that she’d put it past anyone down there to try to steal from her. She also doesn’t look particularly intimidating, as many people in the show have implied or mentioned to her. The theft, though, isn’t the main issue; it’s that the item that was stolen was her lightsaber. I’ve explained why it matters in the previous comments. Yeah… I said that they were aiding a thief, haha. They just weren’t involved in the actual theft. But yeah, I’d imagine that trading favours, so to speak, is pretty common there. I still think that it’d be reasonable to assume that Tera was implying that Ione was involved in the murder. The guy that was murdered was her boyfriend, right? Force sensitives can sense a lot of things, some of the most common being fear, deception, sadness, anger, and anxiety, apparently. Beyond that, Tera’s also very observant. The way that he phrased “she seems terrified, *and yet* I sense that something else is troubling her” implies some sort of unusual behaviour on Ione’s part. Given that he called Ashoka over to him specifically to tell her that, what was troubling her probably didn’t have anything to do with her grieving boyfriend’s death. As his girlfriend and the only other person in the room at that time, given the context, I think that it’s fair to infer that Tera was suggesting that Ione was involved. At the very least, he was implying that they shouldn’t have ruled her out as a suspect and maybe that Ashoka should’ve investigated the apartment. We don’t talk about the… Leia space incident 😂😂.
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