AIZEN VS YHWACH - Who was the BEST Bleach Villain? | Discussion 

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Aizen: id like to welcome you to MY Soul Society Yhwach smiles Best villian to villian conversation

Aizen hands down, even people who don't watch Bleach know about him. His betrayal from the soul society is one of the most iconic moments in the shounen genre.

Turns out Ywach was all a vision used by Aizen to get them to release him from Mugen. Ywach never existed and its all part of Aizens plan. They think they recaptured him after the fight but really thatvwas just Momo.

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I think Yhwach's motivation in concept actually makes a lot of sense. If he didn't like his father, the Soul King, then it would make sense he would want to destroy the cycle of life and death he maintains. Also because Quincies are focused on preserving life, where as Soul Reapers are focused on preserving the cycle of life and death and the balance it creates between worlds, then destroying that cycle and creating "eternal life" would be the the ultimate extreme of the Quincy priorities. The problem is Kubo waited so long to reveal this goal and Yhwach's motivations that he didn't have time to expand on them.

It's like discussing Lex Luthor or Doomsday. Doomsday/Yhwach might be the bigger in-universe threat, but from a story-telling perspective, there's no competition.

*Yuha :* a god who feared death so he wanted to create a world without death. *Aizen :* a person who stopped looking for someone who can share his pov and as he stopped he thinks nobody is his equal hence he wanted to become the god. *I personally love them both*

Personality: Aizen Power: Yhwach

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Love them both. The biggest difference to me was that I always wanted Aizen to succeed while knowing he would not and I wanted Ywach to fail knowing he would succeed

Im a big fan of yhwach I really like his idealogy and his goal to make a world where there's no fear of death in it it's pretty interesting, and how he's related to bleach's lore, him being the sk son and the eternal enemy to the shinigami And I love the religious symbolism surrounding him Yhwach for me is a great and fitting villain for the final arc of bleach He just needed more time so he could be acknowledged better in the bleach community because in my opinion he's misunderstood Well sadly kubo's health didn't help in this case but oh well it is what it is With the anime coming back I'm sure that we will get additional content to the arc so kubo can address the arc as he really wanted before his illness and bad health kick in

Aizen has this hands down for the main reason. He destabilized soul society. He forced 7 captins requiring to be changed between the turn back the pendulum arc, ichogo's dad, and when he lead the coup. Conquered hueco mundo practically single handlely. Bodied pretty much everyone in the battle of fake karakura town. He got into everyone's head in multiple ways. Juha was just a warlord. I understand he killed captain yami, but outside of that. At a glance he just seems like a guy wanting to conquer for the sake of conquering. Aizen didn't need to kill anyone. Just left you alive so you could rethink your decisions. Plus Aizen's got one thing Juha doesn't. Memes for days. This whole comment was a part of his plan.

Aizen was the Savage who fake his own death, and constantly had a back up plan to beat The Soul Society. Aizen can't be touched.

Aizen, hands down best villain. Just because of character background and development. They took their time with Aizen and espada...also showed us how they got strong...yuwach just showed up with bankai stealing overpowered quincy HUMANS...it was just unbelievable...and the arrogance of all of them.

I definitely think Aizen is better but tbh the one I fear the most is Ywach. Once The Almighty came out Ywach become utterly terrifying. It wasn't even absorbing the SK and Mimihagi that had me scared, it was easily The Almighty.

Aizen really shaped the entirety of Bleach into what we know it to be. The Gotei 13 were rather disjointed and lacked any actual unity until Aizen's betrayal. Let's not forget the Arrancar. You cannot deny his influence over the series to the point he was instrumental in defeating Yhwach. HOWEVER...! For all of Aizen's influence, Aizen's body count only included Central 46(Nameless, Faceless psuedo-antagonistic nobodies), Gin and Tousen. So all he really managed to do was finish off his own comrades and actually make his enemies push to become stronger. That isn't a bad thing, probably Shonen Jump's fault for not liking potentially popular characters to die. And killing characters doesn't determine a villain's greatness, unless they kill the right characters. Yhwach was DIRECTLY responsible for Ichigo's mother dying, which is the first time Ichigo felt like a failure and it weighed heavy on him most of his life. Then, he organizes an army of Quincies who bring the mo'fuckin' HEAT and the pressure is ON in the Seireitei. The Gotei 13 push past their limits and that is still barely enough. Yhwach devises a simple yet effective scheme to kill Yamamoto. It is clear that killing Yamamoto's Lieutenant was part of the plan. Yhwach had to have known how it would throw Yamamoto off his game. Or at the very least he did it to see how "weak" and "sentimental" Yamamoto had become over the last millenia. Then Old Man Yama plays right into Yhwach's hand, gets himself killed and then he breaks Ichigo's Bankai effortlessly. Let's not forget Aizen needed the Hogyoku to make his army whereas Yhwach created an army from his own fucking blood. That is both badass and fucking twisted. I love Aizen, but I feel once Yhwach has his time in the sun as per the anime returning, Yhwach will br more widely recognized and respected as being a fucking monster of a villain. But they HAVE to get Richard Epcar to voice him.

Its great to see your points of view without showing your bias towards Aizen. Unfortunately, it was Ywatch's cryptic mumbo jumbo that dropped him off for me. He had no real direction and it kind of fell flat towards the end. I wish he stayed true to the character we were introduced to during the invasion of Soul Society.

Aizen's case is similar to Madara's from naruto in my opinion. both are iconic villains who influenced the entire series, and have some killer moments. in both cases, stronger villains were introduced after them - yhwach and kaguya - both have godlike powers. but unlike aizen and madara, they lacked the sheer badass feel to them and the influence and iconic moments. so even that on paper they were stronger, god like beings, aizen and madara will always be what first comes to mind when people ask you or talk about bleach and naruto villains - they are just that iconic and well written

Both antagonists were retroactively given some critical importance to Ichigo's life. I like YWACH more, if only because his end-goal is more defined to me. Aizen's powers are more defined, but I wish there was more clever writing that went into overcoming him as an antagonist.

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Ywhach - more powerful and more savage since he is a warlord Aizen - more intelligent, much better story writing, manipulative and villainy. I prefer the Aizen type villain. I really wished they would have let Aizen get to the royal palace before Ichigo beat him, but then karakura town would be a gone and etc

Yhwach is scary in eyes design , very op as a character , has darkness experiences like being a witness eye of crimes he would have been much better in bleach fans eyes .. if he wasn't the villain after AIZEN lol

Ultimately Aizen is the more interesting figure, for me his nature, attitude, one-liners and trolling, just made him awesome and he had an evil superman visual motif to him that was a really inspired choice by Kubo What was a nice touch is you really felt Kubo's poetic skills coming through him I still consider his revelation, explanation of his plan, his worldview, and then escape from Soul Society, the high point of the franchise. The finger block moment alone was so perfect. it's a shame we didn't get a proper backstory to Aizen and his resolution in both arcs were kinda weak. Yhwach is a great character no doubt but he just felt like just a powerhouse warlord type and not very emotionally engaging, the villain with most pathos in the arc was really Haschwalth TBH Also RIP Kentaro Miura, he and his immaculate linework are in the heavens now.

It's simple, Aizen wins every time.

With the amount of time we spend with Aizen i feel as though it’s an insult to assume anybody could take his place as a top tier villain

I like Aizen more can't wait to see both in the anime again though.

Yhwach accomplished Aizen's dream, and it was a stepping stone.

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AIZEN. It's not even a contest

It's 2021 & I will never forget Aizen ability to trick Yhwach

I love how Mr.Tommo's description of both Aizen and Yhawch literally could describe Aizen too.

Me of course

Listen! Aizen vs Yuhabach was the perfect moment to show Aizen’s Bankai!!! Why Kubo??? Why?

Aizen probably still my favorite between the two of them.

Whether you like Aizen or Yuha, we can all equally agree their favorite pass time is physically and mentally fucking with our favorite strawberry boy. Aizen: “I’ve known about you from day you were born.” Yuha: “My son born in the dark.” Ichigo: 😨

I just realized that aizen never actually killed anyone good, he only killed off his own followers😂

I desperately want an Aizen origin story for the life and events that shaped his world views and set him on his path. I also really want more info on Juha and his relationship to the soul king.

Aizen. He's in a whole different tier of characters, he's comparable to the likes of DoFlamingo, Pain and Madara. Edit: don't go into the comment section, its a war zone down there 🤣🤣💔

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I think Yhwach pretty much loses his mind when he activated The Almighty. I think anyone would go crazy with that kind of power.

Really interesting points, your analysis is so good it even generalizes quite easily to other anime.

I always expected to see a video analysis like this about the 2 big bad of Bleach. Well done sir.!

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JUHA started off great he just fumbled alot towards the middle and end ironically just like the tybw arc. I'm in the minority when it comes to Aizen, I've never been that big fan of him just his relationships with other characters Honestly Ginjo is probably my favorite in theory, he just needed to be explored more in the actual series. Getting more info in cfow is nice and all but it would of.meant so much more in the actual arc I'm a sucker for "dark reflection characters "

Yhwach surely annihilates everyone through sheer power, and that's cool, his strength is undeniable and feared. But to me Aizen will be the best, because even though he is possibly just as powerful as Yhwach, he doesn't rely on his power alone. He manipulates everyone, always 20 steps ahead, almost (or did he? vaizards?) causes a civil war between Gotei members, he just feels way above everyone else. Yhwach actually had the big "5 threats", he was somewhat scared of Zaraki's power, Ichigo's potential, Urahara's brains, meanwhile Aizen didn't even seem preoccupied with any of that. He had a plan to deal with the most powerful shinigami, the head captain, he didn't feel threathened by Urahara's schemes, he didn't even bother to raise an army. The Espadas were just a distraction, Gin and Tousen were never really considered to be his left and right arms, in the end he did it all himself. Master puppeter until the very end, badass all around. The only reason he lost was because of plot, with Ichigo pulling a super saiyan 3 out of his ass after going to the hyperbolic time chamber, if it was a real story there was no way he was going to be defeated. Aizen was done dirty, maybe Kubo should've saved him for last.

Yhwach's character went utterly downhill after the Almighty asspull IMO.

I would've loved to seen an actual Aizen vs Yhwach fight fully fleshed out. Like I've wondered, ever since the final chapter, could Aizen's immortality save him from something as powerful as the Soul King?

Really thorough analysis.

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I think Yhwach's motivations are actually really interestin, and i love how complex they are. You usually only see villians with one or two but Yhwach has a lot of different interwoven motivations. Im gonna try to bullet format my thoughts because I'm not sure how else to communicate them I think his desire to make a new state for the quincies is genuine in the beginning, but he's also a bloodthristy cold hearted killer. So while he cares about his race, he doesn't care about his individual people. And as he gains high almighty i think its very purposeful that he loses sight of the quincies and just discards them. I think this could've been done a bit better by maybe have a confrontation with a soldier who asks him why he's raptur'ing them all and he says along the lines of "it doesn't matter i can make you all again in my new world, a world for quincies. This is also shown by the shadows obscured by his face, and considering aizen stopped using his abilities when he evolved i think its a clear parallel. His anger at the humiliation of his father is probably the most interesting part of his motivations. For one its a lot more personal than vilian motivations tend to be. Uniquely, it also ties into the world building extremely well, considering his father is the foundation OF the world which is such an interesting concept. Its heavily implied his father was betrayed and sealed against his consent by the shinigam. It just raises so many questions, why the 3 world system, how did they shinigami fight essentially god, how did this affect yhwachs view of the world. Does he thinks its disgusting? Shameful? Does he have a deep love for his father suppressed? Is that actually his father or is he talking metaphorically? Ect. This definitely should have been expanded more on His fear of death is to me the weakest motivation. For one he's already died, so ya maybe thatd give him ptsd. But it's never really shown or mentioned, even when he's on the verge of death AGAIN by being turned into a black ant. It just seemed more shoe horned in, again just like aizens loneliness theme. So i guess kubo's consistent at the very least. We could have at least seen a mix of fear and or rage when he's almost killed. I think him sitting back in his chair at the end is supposed to contrast aizen, who became a much more aggressive frontline fighter once he evolved. I can appreciate that but like you said i just dont think it fits well. It would've been more believable for Yhwach's character to throw away other weapons like Yamamotos bankai, his troops, ect and engage others like a peasant would. I think him fighting from far away also is supposed to represent his fear of death and his "hate of violence" but it just isn't well represented AND he's never struck me as a person who hated fighting. On the contrary he seems to love exercising power over others. So it just doesn't really vibe well with eachother. I do think all his motivations link and relate. Somewhere there's a version of bleach where they all genuinely flow into eachother, get expanded, and make sense. Which i think would've made Yhwach one of the most multilayered complex and best villians. Possibly ever. But unfortunately everything was just..not quite good enough. The fleshing out of his character and motivations, the way they relate and then evolve, ect. Still, i love even the concept of him and the final. Product we have is still an intimidating, well done, and memorable antagonist.

I really don't feel any depth in Ywach character to be honest, its just feels like about any other final boss whose just have to be so OP, Aizen on the other hand is different, he got me curious till the very end about his Character, he's just so mysterious and unpredictable specially the time when Kizuke is sealing him in the final battle of the Arrancar saga, that conversation of Aizen and Kizuke makes me wonder "what if Aizen really has a point?" And makes me wonder what is his true intentions and goal is.

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Yamamoto is actually the best villain in bleach because he used to lead the Gotei 13 as murders and if he would have kill yhwach then all those people wouldn't have died

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I find Yhwach a better villain. He's way more effective, way scarier and demands more respect. Also his place in the story seems to be more relevant even though he only appears in the last arc. Also I love his character design and of course his immesurable power.

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Aizen has some of the best one-liners in fiction. Now that I think about it, does Yhwach have any good one-liners? I can't remember any.

yes do another video on aizens ideas thoughts on the other captains and how it affects the way they go about things

Even Yhwach being the final villain in tybw was part of lord Aizen's plan

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Love your content. Awesome video I think you slighted Aizen when it came to his accomplishments and over looked the fact that he went to Hueco Mundo and became the ruler of the Hollows and got them all to follow him. Basically created Arrancars and the ranking system among them and got them to basically be one unit under him. I know it was off screen but still!

I feel as though Aizen is the better villain. With the choices that they make, especially near their defeat, it feels more like neither of them wanted to actually win. Aizen essentially creates the ideal environment for his only potential threat to actualize. His motivation, that he was too powerful and too intelligent and couldn't accept the way the social society was ruled doesn't feel true. He says himself that Captain Commander Yamamoto was more powerful than him and Urahara was more intelligent than him. He succeeded in eliminating he council of 46 Chambers, and despite not even meeting the Soul King, he instituted permanent change in the Soul Society. Even the fact that he is not killed, but rather imprisoned, makes me feel like he accomplished exactly what he wanted. Ywach repeatedly shows that he is capable of doing anything he wants, but it feels like he doesn't even know his true goal. Every major step feels like you learn another reason why he should win, but he throws it away. Looking back, Aizen could almost be painted as an antihero. He saw flaws in the Soul Society and he became a villain to try to fix it. It feels like his entire story could be his way of saying that he wanted the shinigami to be prepared for something bigger than them. Ywach too transforms things, but the way that he discards his victory and his life makes me feel like he never knew what he wanted. Nothing felt like winning for him and although he is a more powerful villain, it makes me dislike his story more.

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I love both so much they hold their half of the story and them interacting is the coolest stuff I’ve seen but I’ll say that I did not miss aizen in the final arc because ywhach was so cool he ate ichigo alive that scene is one of the best in bleach. Aizen is who everyone knows because the 2 most popular acts are centered around him and his forces but ywhach gave bleach a new breathe of fresh air just the grittyness of the arc was amazing if kubo could have gave us like 10 more chapters itd be one of the best arcs in Shonen

Juha achieves so much more but the little Aizen does is done with so much style and in such an overwhelming manner that it makes it seem like he did more than he did.

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Aizen I would say. Dude is exceptionally smart, strategic, calm and collected... Not to mention that he is powerful enough to take on the gods. He may not always be on the front lines like Yhwach but honestly seeing him on the front lines ... well the result was pretty clear.

Aizen and the conflict he causes really cement the typical battle structure that takes place. Without him, Yhwach wouldn't really have tropes or conventions to break

Mr tommo. Could you rank the smartest characters in Bleach? I mean the first 3 are pretty obvious but I think some characters are slept on. Like shinji. He was wary of Aizen before anyone else, and even though he acts kind of dumb sometimes I think he's fairly intelligent.

you should do a video on things you think the anime should change for the TYBW arc

Can you do a discussion on Aizen Vs. Yamma and Yhaw Vs. Yamma? Both crazy battles

As villains I actually prefer byakuya and kenpachi

Aizen is Bleach's Frieza. It makes the most sense for the story to end there, but it was really popular so it kept going. The TYBW was an amazing wrap up, as far as wrap ups go, but it's not the most naturally paced story.

i like aizen more as villain, because it feels like he pushed ichigo more to go to extreme lengths to beat him by using mugetsu and trading in his shinigami powers

I think we need a part 2. esp about Aizen^^

I think a lot of people prefer a mustache-twirling villain like Aizen over a serious threatening villain like Yhwach. I also feel that novelty plays a big factor. Aizen gloating about being aware of Ichigo since before he was born and already planning to use him hits harder than Yhwach saying that he had Ichigo gain power just so he could have Ichigo kill the Soul King for him, if only for the fact that Aizen did it first.

I respect the utter mayhem Ywach brings into Bleach But Aizen is one of my 3 favorite characters along with Shunsui and Urahara Even though Ywach defeats Aizen in a head on confrontation, Aizen just has to get in that one gut punch troll moment with Kyoka Suigetsu and that's just something I love about his character

Hey mate, really love your stuff here. Keep it coming 💪💪 anyway I love Aizen's design - but his Soul Slayer was too overpower and not too flashy, so he had to rely on Kido. Yhwach has this generic "uncle" look 😑

Yea I need to see the Anime of Yhwach as I haven't read the whole manga of Yhwach war only snippets videos etc. So I am curious to see the Anime.

Is it even accurate to call Yhwach a "Quincy"? He's really just a weird unique being that started the Quincy race.

Aizen has more charisma tbh.

I say Yhwach because of how personal of an enemy he was for Ichigo (and Uryu). First Yhwach is responsible for the single most important event in Bleach -the death of Ichigo’s mom. Sure other things may be more grand but that made Ichigo who he is. But also the Yhwach=Old Man Zangetsu is such an amazing betrayal of sorts. Yes, OMZ is not exactly Yhwach. But just the fact he had been deceiving Ichigo of his true identity was such a gut punch because of his mentoring role. I love the irony of Old Man Zangetsu representing Yhwach of the past and being ultimately the defeat of his own future self. Old Man Zangetsu felt like he was the last of Yhwach’s humanity and Yhwach himself just became more and more of a monster. Finally Yhwach acting like everything exists just to serve him and his goals is amazingly selfish and obtuse and yet it works because of how grand Yhwach is. Aizen had to manipulate the Espada but the Sternritter basically worshipped Yhwach. Of course you got Sternritter who realize they are mere pawns but it’s too little too late. I feel like Yhwach’s popularity will go up exponentially when the anime comes out.

Boils down to the type of villain you like. The manipulative behind the scenes string pulling type or the overwhelming direct OP type. I lean toward the op type. The kind that renders you unable to do anything (at first, of course).

Aizen offering me tea would honestly be way more scary than Juhabach looking down at me from atop a stage. At least you know where you got Juhabach

Oh wow I wanted to see who would win if you gave a in depth interview and who would win in a evil organization vs match-up

really love both them

I have read the manga to about chapter 520 yesterday, and all I want is an animated version of the scene where Kirinji tosses Byakuya from one pond to another. That scene is like: ,,This b*tch empty. YEET!"

Question: is dangai ichigo just his purest form of Quincy? I never thought about it until you compared these two people really. Would Yhwach just have been able to take everything from dangai Ichigo, nullifying mugetsu?

Bleach has its plethora of shortcomings but I strongly believe they can be overshadowed by its amazing villains, creativity and uniqueness.