Alex Alonso & Bear disagree: were the 89 Family Swans the most active Bloods on the Eastside?

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In this part 8, episode 79 of Streets and Scholars Alex Alonso and Bear from 89 East Coast Crips talks about which Blood set was the most active on the Eastside and they disagree if that title goes to the 89 Family Swans.
They also disagree on who was the first one with a non-profit gang intervention organization. Was it T. Rogers?
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@streetgangs 8 месяцев назад

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@richlopez5896 8 месяцев назад

Swans as a whole have always been with the business. 89 Family has always been known as gunners

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

Truth!

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

R.I.P to Gadget 💝

@user-rv2hm3gy8l 8 месяцев назад

Facts

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

Word but they ain’t the only ones. Plenty of top dogs on both sides can’t really put one at number 1

@moneymac5214 7 месяцев назад

What about the jungles

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

What alot of outsiders dont understand is Swans collaborated with alot of other Damu sets especially in them 80's and 90's. For example when Pooh Bear got killed in 1988 allegedly by the Hoovers at least a half dozen other Damu Sets put it down for him. Everyone who thought it was only Swans was big mistaken. This was the norm back in the day when a respected known Damu got shot or lost his life. Homies from several sets was gonna smash. That's real Blood History for you. 💯

@Soldier-cu7hx 7 месяцев назад

That’s true BJ on 89onup said that, the Athens, Millers, Swans, and Hunnas back in the day all rode for each other if another Blood got hit from those sections

@MNHFSB789 7 месяцев назад

The Hoovers didn’t kill Pooh bear the toast did

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

@nhmfsb7899 I could be wrong if so I apologize but the S gang took a loss from the Hoover in 1988. I could have sworn it was Pooh Bear from 77

@FatGuy1 7 месяцев назад

That’s What Use To Make This Damu Shit Wonderful

@MNHFSB789 7 месяцев назад

@@emmettlewis2312 naw u talking bout half dead he got killed by the Hoovers but there some other stuff that happen with that that story

@1punchusleep628 7 месяцев назад

Bear is hating😂. The Swans was most definitely the most vicious. I think hes ignoring the fact 89 had a lot of help so it wasnt just 89ECC, it was also 97,76, AND the 6pack. Plus just because you chased someone doesnt mean they werent killers, you just had the upperhand in the moment.

@ManuelW-pd3hv 7 месяцев назад

He said the swans was the most vicious. He said 89 family wasn't. Your comprehension skills are terrible. I know you didn't graduate.

@jacksondarryl34 7 месяцев назад

Real talk! I got into it with 89 ECC at Locke! They had assistance like a MF! They sicked Front street Watts Crips on me!

@densincomprehend8879 7 месяцев назад

Not the 6pacc they were a little further down. Plus it was a lot of crip on crip rivalry going on.

@chitownhoodarttv2635 7 месяцев назад

He said the Swans was the ones, just a diff block tho. 84. He def lowkey hating but really what this clip showed was Alex Alonso's truth: he not from these streets and he formed his opinions about most of these hoods from his old message board and news reports.

@densincomprehend8879 7 месяцев назад

@@chitownhoodarttv2635 how is he hating tho?

@marlonious7650 7 месяцев назад

I read the Swans had 32 kills in 1 year. No coast is going to co sign it but I wouldn't either if we were the ones getting victimized like that.

@dariusjones7006 7 месяцев назад

😂😂 fr

@blizzington4528 8 месяцев назад

Bear just ain’t wanna give the 89NHFS their credit

@streetgangs 7 месяцев назад

LOL

@james198020 7 месяцев назад

Facts

@antionec6211 7 месяцев назад

Bias bs

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

89NHF deserve their credit, but they aint #1 period. Swans as a whole is #1. Same way 89 aint #1 for the Crips.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

@@user-wh7fr9qe2s Swans got on par with the Coast after they ran my homies out of Fremont. Now thats facts. Swans as a whole is a mega gang.

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

Once again, Alex is correct. The 89NH Family's were wreaking havoc beginning in the late 70's and right on up until the 90's. Back then, in the 70's and early 80's, Bear wasn't even from 89NHECC. He was from Hat Gang Watts. My homeboy's lived right next door to them on 92nd & Zamora. Facts! And, I'm not being bias because I have peeps from 89NHECC, Swans, and 89NH Family, just as a lot of us do. My aunt and peeps lived right on 92nd & Maie for plenty of years in the late 70's and the 80's. All facts!

@joemosely9383 8 месяцев назад

What Year Do you Give 89NHF & 89ECC ? The Saying Goes, 89 Neighborhood was One Gang, that Split into two over Wolf's Death in 1979. If True, that Implies, 89NHF split off of 89NHC, meaning 89F Originals were Crips. If True, that Implies, 89ECC had not kicked off until After Wolf's Death in 1979. I was hoping Alex Would have Dug into the origins & the split.

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

@joemosely9383 I've heard that before, but I can not substantiate that. Back then, the Crip side was just 89 Neighborhood, though. I'm not sure of when they became Coasts.

@svoland2003 7 месяцев назад

89 NHF didn't exist in the 70's, though

@geepook7902 7 месяцев назад

@@svoland2003how old are u ? Go back and do your home work son

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

Do you know OG Big Hub from 89 NHF? I was in the Blood Module with him in 95/96 I remember him saying he was a founder of his hood back 1976. Would you agree or disagree with that statement?

@dayvonnedawkins580 8 месяцев назад

Even Cartoon from 53 Avalon said them swans was something serious

@davidjohnson8176 8 месяцев назад

He said 84 swans was the most active. Alonso saying 89 so both saying swans just different sets

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

All the gangs on the east side was tbh

@jaykay4146 7 месяцев назад

I don’t like Swans but they with the business

@dscgodflow6663 6 месяцев назад

The Swans & 102 Raymonds were like the Navy Seals of the Red & Blue, particularly in the 80s. The Swans were active in a sea of Blue as the Raymond's were active in a sea of Red

@jockobotzi 7 месяцев назад

I went to Drew in the late 80's , Bear spoke on chasing Sinister but forgot to say if he had to go to a school in a Blood Nieghborhood he wouldn't have been so courageous either

@The9392kool 7 месяцев назад

FACTS.. and that we did every day…!

@jockobotzi 7 месяцев назад

@The9392kool LoL what's up Kool , I'm the brother you ran across 2 times at that Ralph's last week 🤣

@The9392kool 7 месяцев назад

@@jockobotzi What’s going on my brother? All peace and love I see. I’m going to have to do a show with some of the Homies to set some things straight. Lol.

@powerhouse785 7 месяцев назад

@@The9392koolgood video addressing Cartoon saying the "Be Bopps were non-factors." 😂

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

Alex is 100% correct on this one. I'm from the neighborhood so I know. I went to Fremont with most of those dudes that he named.

@carlosfranco5115 5 месяцев назад

in swans neighborhood in the 80s and 70s was any Hispanic gangs or f13 in that area?

@JYoung3rd 7 месяцев назад

The average gang member doesn’t know any statistics, although they may be/have been involved. I respect Alonso for being more fact/data based. I prefer facts over one emotionalism versus another emotionalism.

@JBoy551 7 месяцев назад

The family/swan alliance has always being one of, or if most the deadliest blood set in south central LA.

@MoralsOverMoney92 7 месяцев назад

Inglwood Family Swan Blawds From East 2 West

@lilgiz5716 6 месяцев назад

What people don’t understand about Family Swans is we don’t have Projects, big apartments or a park. All we got is a couple of schools. There’s nowhere to hide. When you come off the porch you are literally on the block. Gotta be with it or stay in the house.

@eastbay2128 6 месяцев назад

Which is why I don't see why people put the Hunnas as the most active Blood gang when they had a huge advantage In them projects. The Hunnas biggest rivals Grape Street looked outmatched in their war with ECC

@trustingod2489 7 месяцев назад

I was born on 84th n Towne Ave…females I talked to found out I lived on tht side and they refused to come over…the Swans are the most dangerous and being surrounded by all crip gangs the homies still stood tall

@hoodiefromthehood1359 7 месяцев назад

I feel like he’s missing the question bcuz you keep saying “Blood Hood” and he keeps talking about who was the most active overall

@deshaundozier 8 месяцев назад

Yea the swans super active.

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 5 месяцев назад

Man bear you in denial and I'm from 87 Street Kitchens and I give them 89 family swans was the hardest hands down when it comes to killing big evil and sinister was pushing a hard line

@kassius892 8 месяцев назад

89 Families were the most active blood set on the eastside.. I remember when they use to push all the way main Street.. they have always had the 88 Avalons on lock and they was putting much pressure on the 74 hoovers

@brentonlee8207 8 месяцев назад

They still active today?

@quincyj6509 8 месяцев назад

What year was this? I grew up on 87th place and Avalon from 80-86 and that definitely wasn’t going on. They were super quiet.

@kassius892 8 месяцев назад

@@quincyj6509from 1989- 1993 the 89 Families was on everybody ass .

@kassius892 8 месяцев назад

@@brentonlee8207yes 89 Families still active.. they beef with Denver Lanes and Be Bop hards

@thadon1067 8 месяцев назад

They never put on pressure on westside hoover lmao!

@Kenny78743 7 месяцев назад

I've said this on KMV comment section and I'll say it again," Timebomb is one of the greatest names of all times " 😅 💯

@darkuniverse5157 7 месяцев назад

Alex is on point, 89 Families are undeniably bonafide soliders. They were definitely assertive/bullish. Bear comes across as a self-centered individual, LOL. He's full of himself (shit). 💯

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

That doesnt make them #1 lb for lb. They with the business though. Without the Swans as a whole, Id say no.

@fif3792 5 месяцев назад

The blue ribbon was to mark as a crip area it didn’t mean anything else. He hating on rag time and big time those guys were monsters

@user-me6wr1uu4t 7 месяцев назад

89 Family is legendary for they ck movements. Back in the 80's was none sicker. This dudes full of it.

@Indy_Pint 7 месяцев назад

Them 🦢 niggaz been wit the bizness lol Alonso right

@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 7 месяцев назад

You right BIGG EVIL 89 SWANS WAS THE HE HARDEST

@BlaccIndianOG 7 месяцев назад

I’d never take anything from the damus, but alotta folks overlook the fact that most damu hoods only survived due to crips being focused on other crips. just like the Swans being “surrounded” but the ECCvsHoover shit was poppin, Hoover/GC vs NHC was going on and others. and all of those sets were huge compared to the red rags bac in those times, even now still!

@g5hinehurksup532 7 месяцев назад

Just kuz u got more numbers don’t really mean nothing I view what u saying but sometimes the pussiest mfs be the ones who are deeper

@babyjunior8400 7 месяцев назад

Best way I could put it. if Gang banging was a game of chest which Crips have a lot of Pawns on the table y’all can go to war with anybody and lose over 90 homies and not feel 70 percent was riders because of lot of pawns Bloods got to go extra harder because they can’t sacrifice like crips can…1 blood loss..is like three looses.. Crips don’t see that point of view..

@showmestatefinest5412 7 месяцев назад

@@babyjunior8400chess not chest

@babyjunior8400 7 месяцев назад

@@showmestatefinest5412 You gone used my account name for a missing S in the word chess

@westside8514 7 месяцев назад

The B vs C war started in 1972 with the Brims and Crips !!!! C vs C doesn’t really pop off until 1979’- 1981 Damu’s been survived when it was just B vs C

@complexblackness 8 месяцев назад

This was a good one, the dialog.

@streetgangs 7 месяцев назад

thanks for watching

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Problem for me is Alonzo is separating the Swans. As a whole, Swans is the most notorious Blood set period in LA. Yes even over the Bhunters. 89 Family did they thang. Not sure they should get the crown over other Swan sets. Having a few notorious members shouldnt be reflective of the gangs damage as a whole. For me. 89 didnt take territory. The other Swans sets took Fremont back from multiple Crip hoods, and gained territory. That to me is a bigger crown. Also establishing yourself in original Cip territory is huge as well. But 89 did they thang. Bear didnt diss them or call them weak, he just gave it to another Swan set. I see that as fair. Now if he shitted on Swans as a whole, that would raise a major red flag.

@eastbay2128 7 месяцев назад

The Swans has more stellar enemies

@WittynotSilly 7 месяцев назад

You said a word.. that eastside is wicked and the swans are a big reason why those cats went toe to toe with the most reputable black gang in the city of los angeles IMO ( east coast crips ) the ECC went at with everybody ( hoovers , broadways , kitchens , avalons , athens park , bishops ) and usually got the better of those conflicts but the swans held they own

@Davo32310 6 месяцев назад

@@WittynotSilly Don't forget the Mains

@eastbay2128 7 месяцев назад

I highly doubt Bear chased Big Evil all by himself unless he had a pistol

@godnflesh3665 7 месяцев назад

Exactly. My exact thoughts. Either he had a blazer (pistol), or he was with a pack of others. Cartoon53 shares stories of him getting chased all the time by his enemies, it happens. Some days you have the upper hand, some days you don't. Especially at that time though, (it's no secret) the bloods were heavily outnumbered by the Crips. Something about Bear is telling he's not being 100% honest about some of the stuff he be spewing, he seems to be one of those type of dudes who resorts to "half-truths." Those the type of vibes I get from him. 😂

@svoland2003 7 месяцев назад

do some more researchon BigEvil. him and his brothers used to get chased and beat up by Crips all the time when they were coming up. it's.because they were bullied that gave them a chip on theirshoulder when they got older.

@powerhouse785 7 месяцев назад

@@svoland2003 I don't take nothing at face value. But I do know the Crips were known to bully. That's a known fact.

@svoland2003 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@powerhouse785exactly, I can’t speak for him but I’m assuming that’s Bears point. People are talking about them now like they’re superBloods, but there’s no one from a neighborhood that can say they never took losses before

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

89NHECC does not cover as much turf as the Family Swans.

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

@Boss619Tycoon Just 89.

@omarsharif3381 8 месяцев назад

He only specified 89's EC's now back in the 70'sand 80's he might be right but every since the 80's on up. Some of the 88 AG's 8976 EC's territory was a lot of what Swan hood is today by my knowledge. Them hoods weren't as small as they are now besides F13 Swans and Mains got the biggest hoods in that area

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

@omarsharif3381 Incorrect! Swans Hood is as it always was, and 76ECC Hood is as it always was. Swans are on the Westside of Central, and 76ECC is on the Eastside of Central. It's always been that way, just as it is today.

@omarsharif3381 8 месяцев назад

@@pharoah1200 I use to stay in the 84 Swans and 89 EC's hood but I wasn't being adamant on what I said. I was just saying from my knowledge I don't wanna be wrong speaking on other hoods politics. I might not be right about the specifics with each hoods landmarks but I do know. If we're talking from the 70's-80's to now Swans hood expanded a lot thru out the years. And if I'm wrong I'll accept u correcting me But if Bear said his hood went all they way up to Central from the train tracks. Which is the Firestone station by the 89's park something not correlating. Because that's going past the Kitchens into the Swans hood I'm just using critical thinking

@pharoah1200 7 месяцев назад

@omarsharif3381 No! If he said that their hood went from the tracks that's at the back of Washington Park, and also the divider between 88NHECC and the 92 Bishops to Central Avenue, that would be East and West. That wouldn't cross into Swan Hood or Family Hood. That might go into Kitchen Hood. The Swans and Family's are across Central. The Firestone Police Station was on the corner of Nadeau and Compton Avenue. That's 76ECC and F13 neighborhood, with the Kitchen's next door.

@moblack5883 7 месяцев назад

good little clip here

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

thanks for watching.

@blvdquan9215 7 месяцев назад

He bias it’s clear as day swans was on straight biddness 😂

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

He not bias. He gave it up to 84Swans. They are dividing the Swans. They like ECC, their strength and notoriety comes in the collective of the gangs, not individual sets.

@blackattack6712 7 месяцев назад

By Samoan Beast: "Good post! I was locked up with Lil Timebomb in YA back in the 90s. It’s true Family Swans had some of the most evil & grimiest bloods I’ve ever met. I remember hearing stories about how they used to be on roof tops with snipers , true shit!" 🎯

@Theycallmekenney 7 месяцев назад

Bear just don’t wanna be wrong 🤣🤣🤣

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 5 месяцев назад

Naw for evil to get somebody else to kill he has to be doing it to get to that rank ,I know a lot of dudes from those surrounding areas that know big evil and sinister was killing

@vickoneo1032 7 месяцев назад

I think it's the 77 and 79 swans given they had the whole 6pacc at their back door.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Swasn as a whole. Them cats put in work together.

@lilgiz5716 6 месяцев назад

@vickoneo1032 Plus the fact that 79 hood is where the Crips started.

@JYoung3rd 7 месяцев назад

The 89 swans were too active for him to bear! Get it?😏🤣

@WillAnderson3rd 7 месяцев назад

Alex is right

@powerhouse785 7 месяцев назад

I see eye to eye with Alex. Also Alex, did you watch the video of Bounty Hunter BJ saying the "Bounty Hunters Are The Most Aggressive Blood Sets In Los Angeles?" I'm sure your video with FG on this same subject a couple months back prompted BJ to say what he said, that's probably why he didn't say "most active". I think he was somewhat offended the Bounty Hunters wasn't mentioned, Lol. In my opinion the Mad Swans/Family Swans are exposed/vulnerable, the Bounty Hunters are more hidden/camouflaged in the projects, not to mention more numbers.

@westside8514 8 месяцев назад

Most Active Blood Sets In L.A History, Brims Swans Bounty Hunters Denva Lanes BPS ( Jungles ) x R20NHB BloodStone Villians

@blizzington4528 8 месяцев назад

Thanks you! Mfs love to leave BSV out of the convo but we are hands down one of the first damu sets and most dominant on dat EASTSIDE!

@thegreatalpha5602 8 месяцев назад

@@blizzington4528yall not the most yall one but not the most bro stop the cap plus yall had the 52 Pueblos to back yall

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

BSV ain’t nowhere near as active as they use to be. Pueblos pushed they shit back

@tazmsb3294 8 месяцев назад

84 st MSB most active on eastside

@FullyAutomaticAddict410 7 месяцев назад

@@sharebear421 you still gotta have some respect for any gang still around since it's inception

@babyfacelocsta9510 7 месяцев назад

Shit even in my day swan as a whole was one of the few blood gang that was with the business them bhw and the villains

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Key word as a whole. I think what set Bear off was him saying just 89F

@niggakilla1166 8 месяцев назад

FREE BATMAN A.K.A BIG EVIL B.I.P SINISTER A.K.A TIMOTHY JOHNSON❤ "I won't forget you g" - Sinister

@darkuniverse5157 7 месяцев назад

Two bonafide generals! Sinister was skilled/bright. I bump his music frequently. 💯🔥😎

@zabcoheen2098 7 месяцев назад

@@darkuniverse5157On bl92d Swans may be beefin wit us Bishops but i cant deny Sinister music that nigga was a true G and his music undeniably fire

@darkuniverse5157 7 месяцев назад

@@zabcoheen2098 💯🎯💪🏾. I hope you brothers can somehow work it out.

@godnflesh3665 7 месяцев назад

@@zabcoheen2098real talk, did you ever get a chance to meet him? Sinister was indeed a legit/credible brother. One of the reasons he didn't blow up in the industry at the time is because they felt that he had too much going on, like too many trips going back and forth to jail/prison, otherwise he would've skyrocketed (especially with the right backing/promotion). The talent was there, he had a good voice, could rap+sing and was/is respected. And speaking of the Bishops, Sinister have a song titled "What's Wrong With Being A Gangster" featuring some 92nd Street Pueblo Bishops. 🔥🎯

@moorishexcellence7060 8 месяцев назад

This dude is downing everything he say about bloods...do yall see that????

@blainelee8021 8 месяцев назад

He can down em all he want to but deep down he know the swans was giving him and his homeboys the business.

@davidjohnson8176 8 месяцев назад

He said the 84 was the most active. He didn't down them He just telling them 84 had more gunners

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

@@blainelee8021stop lol you acting like the coast was taking L’s and never made swans take L’s

@blainelee8021 7 месяцев назад

@@sharebear421 I'm not saying that at all but being surrounded on all 4 sides and still withstood all that.

@antionec6211 7 месяцев назад

This ricKett trying 2 downplay 🅱️ Doggs straight hater

@MNHFSB789 7 месяцев назад

Why we Kant get our credit we the most hated on the east side No set I believe get action like we do there 15 different blocks that kome for us an there 3 names I didn’t mention because they trash lol but kan we get some respect on our whooping Kitchen 87 Avalons 88 88H 91H 87g 73g 73H Ecc 6pack Ecc 76 Ecc 89 Skirts 98

@undrwtrbsktwvn1110 7 месяцев назад

Why you only diss one set? Must be some bad blood lol

@MNHFSB789 7 месяцев назад

@@undrwtrbsktwvn1110 good question idk 😂😂😂😂 I just never like them

@MediumKeyChannel 7 месяцев назад

Swans were the most active and deadly small blood gang in LA county period. Most active as a whole is more of a Bounty Hunter Watts, Denver Lanes & Black P Stone Convo .

@jaykay4146 7 месяцев назад

Yea I agree with that swans is deadly but bounty hunters and blk p stone are the top blood is my opinion

@westside8514 7 месяцев назад

Swans not a small Blood gang

@bjr0467 7 месяцев назад

84 swans is cliqued up wit family’s and been since back then so it’s the same thing

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 7 месяцев назад

For big evil and sinister to be able to send other dudes they had to earn that position.give credit where credit is do. At the same time bear never like that,he was a lady's man.period.Oh and don't think I'm a young dude cuz of my profile photo,that's my son. I know the truth.

@JBoy551 7 месяцев назад

exactly. big evil was a shot caller. you need mad rep for that especially back then

@svoland2003 7 месяцев назад

i can understand why Bear would disagree. their two most notorious members big evil and sinister didn't make a name for themselves until the 90's. most would consider the 80's the most active decade in L.A., and they weren't on the map then.

@quincyj6509 7 месяцев назад

Exactly! I’ve been saying that. When I grew up over there in 80-86, you didn’t Hear anything from them.

@gregw322 7 месяцев назад

Not at all. It’s an irrefutable fact that the 90’s was by far the most active and the FBI statistics confirm that. Gang related murders nearly doubled in the 1990’s.

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

That's incorrect they name was ringing big from around 88.

@de9293 7 месяцев назад

1993 was the most active year with over 1000 homicides in LA alone and 3000+ in the county.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

@@emmettlewis2312 They did that BS at the carnival, but they was bullied often before then. Grapes came to Fremont and whipped they ass with bats and chains. ANd ECC went to their hood on foot and smashed them severely. But I aint go front, they resurged in the 80s, and pushed a cold ass line. SO Bear has a right to feel that way, because ECC had their glory moments, but so did the Swans. Depends on who was on the streets at whichever time. Fremont was a ECC and Hoover school for a long time. But Swans did they thang. But that wasnt the 89 Swans only though.

@godnflesh3665 7 месяцев назад

Alex is spot-on, I agree. Alex hurt Bear feelings with this one, lmao. Bear was probably thinking to himself like: "Alex, you should've said the 89 ECC are the most active gang on the Eastside, not my enemies the 89 Family Swans." 😂

@youngtiny5691 8 месяцев назад

I thought 87 Kitchens border was Central? I didnt know 89 East coasts went to Central

@omarsharif3381 8 месяцев назад

He may of been talking past tense cause I'm sure as of currently the 87KC's hood around Hooper to Central. But because Hooper and Central are so close he might be telling the truth. The 89NHF's run from Central to Avalon and they all on Firestone/Manchester. The Swans as a whole including all sets go from like Central to at least Main to Broadway. A lot of Hoods grew and lost territory from then to now. The 89EC's go from like Graham or Maie to maybe past Compton Ave but not Hooper

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

89 use to go to Central. They roam that area and had members in that area. But they hang harder towards the tracks. 87 KCG didnt hace all of Central. Times have changed

@omarsharif3381 7 месяцев назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 make sense and correlates with what Bear said

@youngtiny5691 7 месяцев назад

@ronaldmcdonald1977 oh ok. I just remember my sister friend stayed on 88th in between hooper and central and that was all Kitchens. The 89s were going back east towards Compton Ave. and the tracks. But yea, I know things change, tho. Plus, being that close in proximity, it's very prevalent to see numerous people from different hoods. It's all walking distance. Lol.. Everything west of Central was Swans, tho. I remember that. I also met a Hat Gang dude over in there. He stayed off Zamora

@omarsharif3381 7 месяцев назад

@@youngtiny5691 yea I almost lost my life over there staying in the 89EC's walking thru Hat hood mistakened by the Compton Ave's

@slowmoney1212 7 месяцев назад

Long Live Prince T 1212! 🤲🏾

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 5 месяцев назад

Bear never been nothing but a lady's man

@davidhawkins6045 3 месяца назад

They are the Same Family Swans!

@jacksondarryl34 7 месяцев назад

This is ridiculous! I have always loved and honored 89 Family! Them dudes made me proud to be a Damu. BUT!!! Them Bounty Hunnas were SECOND TO NONE! IDK if yall consider WATTS to be on the East Side, but if you do, you have to be out your MF mind not to put BHW on top of the Food chain! Them Hunnas were APEX PREDATOR Bloods! Yall playin'!!! But he did say pound for pound!

@jacksondarryl34 7 месяцев назад

@@user-wh7fr9qe2s Did you here wtf Alonzo said? He said "...70s, early 80s! You on some New Booty shit talking about treaties.. 😂😂 During that period, BH's were virtually Un " MF'in" touchable! Not being surrounded and being in the projects? 😆 BH had CPC and 118 ECC on one side, PJW and GstW on another Fst W and Q102 ECC on the Other side...and regulated all of them accordingly! Hunnas couldn't help it that MF's were scared to come thru the nickerson gardens! FOH with that nonsense.. 😂😂😂

@jacksondarryl34 7 месяцев назад

@@user-wh7fr9qe2s Your not paying attention to the language Alonzo was using! He also said, " pound for pound"! Now! Don't get it twisted! Pound for pound, 89 NHF ( remember, we're talking about 70s, early 80s!) In my opinion, were some MF'in Rydas!!! Givin their size? Shiiid!!!! In terms of size, the only ones that came close were the Miller Gangsters!! I have seen BHs regulate Gst, ECC, and CPC in one night...ON FOOT!! You would have to disagree?? 😂 I would like a MF!!

@jaykay4146 7 месяцев назад

In general I think bounty hunnas and bps are the top bloods in my opinion

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Bhunters teamed up with PJs wo fight Grapes. Sorry bro. Not even on the level as Swans and they aint protected by the projects

@jacksondarryl34 7 месяцев назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 Micky Dee's, if 1977 is your birth year, then you have just disqualified yourself from having any opinion! Why you MF's don't pay attention! I'ma say it again, Alonzo was talking about a specific era of banging! When did you get acquainted with banging? 1990? The era Alonzo was talking about was the 70s early 80s... what's wrong with you MF's...lol That period, BHs were at war with the PJs! I'm talking about Pac Man banging and you're talking about PlayStation banging! Whole different era! Better ask somebody!!

@dennisnash5504 7 месяцев назад

Og sinister

@darkuniverse5157 7 месяцев назад

OG Sinister is the exemplar of a "TRUE" bonafide veteran. He was hella skilled, I listen to his music frequently. 💯🔥💪🏾

@Soldier-cu7hx 8 месяцев назад

After this guy said the NHoods and Trays/Hoovers still got along in the late 80s I knew you couldn’t listen to him for legit facts or opinions😂

@eastbay2128 7 месяцев назад

Alex Alonso should have said the most active Blood gang instead of saying the most active gang of course Bear is going to disagree

@thegreatalpha5602 7 месяцев назад

Like I said lil homie u definitely not from no streets cuz mfs debate all the time between the Pueblos & Bounty Hunters and many times we gave the grapes problems u sound crazy with yo weirdo comments dude I can’t take u serious L🤣L the BSV don’t even have a gang enhancement we do tho 35 cameras why u think they put the sub station across the street? U from Hawthorn or somethin what hood u from tho? Bro u on RU-vid sayin stupid things stay outta street politics square

@eastbay2128 7 месяцев назад

@@thegreatalpha5602 u just mad because your hood is at the bottom of the totem pole in the gang world

@thegreatalpha5602 7 месяцев назад

@@eastbay2128 u act like a girl why is u harassing me? U do what women do is u from a hood NO is u even from BSV? No u a 🤡 at the end of the day look princess show any proof ma hood is what u sayin it is Geer gang Compton Avenues BLGC is the hoods at the bottom ma hood is all documented so how is what u sayin is true? is u even from LA? U must slurp up cats from BSV look house ninja stay in yo homo lane don’t even reply back u actin like a bitter baby mama at this point 🤣🤣

@moorishexcellence7060 7 месяцев назад

3:19 Host :" i think he was the first person out ( t rogers ) with a non profit ". Crip guy:" i keep telling you, it was street gang's... no it wasnt street gangs, it was ummm street something ".. like lol.. you dnt even know the damn name.... Ive been in the pen with guys like this... This type will be like i did this and i did that and i was there, when in reality, you wasnt!! Lol... Kuzz glass to me, straight see through! Lol

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

On T-Rogers, once again, I believe Alex is correct.

@solomongoldblum3917 7 месяцев назад

I met Tee Rogers at Foshay in 83 he spoke to a group of us in a gang intervention program. At the time I didn’t know why they put me in there, but maybe they saw it.

@NativeSoul-hc7lc 7 месяцев назад

Are you familiar with someone named "T. Midge". Not long ago, he did an interview claiming he started 92nd Family's, lol. Turns out he's a liar, and no good, and is on paper. 😬

@user-mp6me4xt4c 7 месяцев назад

Bear mad lol, cheese toast just deep, bunch of pansies

@joemosely9383 8 месяцев назад

Long Table 1976-77

@KINGJoseRPM 7 месяцев назад

The 89 Family is real killas 👌🏽 WHOOP WHOOP

@bigswampdawggfam7265 8 месяцев назад

He Needs to be a Host with you

@Twin_shawn021 7 месяцев назад

Of kourse a kiwe gonna say his hood is the most aktive gang

@faithhope8646 8 месяцев назад

U have that street swag. I respect that. I saw u from the beginning until now. If I were to talk to you, I would have thought you came from the hood. We can tell who came from the hood. Respects

@negrodamus323 7 месяцев назад

He's definitely bias to his own gang

@theeverydayillusion7790 7 месяцев назад

Bebop Watts. Small but active af

@TungMobTV13o2 7 месяцев назад

What’s the criteria for most active? The most bodies show and proves the most activity. Ask the Crips and the Police about the most active Blood Set✊🏾

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Yea, just fun debate. No1 knows.

@The9392kool 7 месяцев назад

FACTS… Also, in reality, a lot of gangs and gang members got credit for a-lot of shit that they did not do … and the only confrontation that bear may have gotten into with at Russell that would be me along side sticks from family… Sinister or evil did not………🤔 TRUST being a original BWB Charles drew from 79 to Fremont all the way to 84 I know the history of the whole area..!!

@showmestatefinest5412 7 месяцев назад

@The9392kool is this the Kool that wore the clean red hat in the kev mac inter😅

@SkiMaskMelvin 6 месяцев назад

89ECC Runs The Shady Eighty’s

@choppapradia2201 8 месяцев назад

No RU-vid clout nun on nun when I say this on my life I gotta uncle (my real uncle homeboy ) from LA we call em LA he from ECC and I asked him “ Unc the families was the rawest blood set in LA coming up huh” his exact words was” hell naw the swans was the biggest and baddest blood gang of emm all they gave us the blues” dead ass fr

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

They got the blues right back not only from ECC but Avalon’s, KC, Main Street then they had beefs with 18th and some Blood sets. I’ll give it to them they hold their own for how surrounded they are but let’s not pretend they didn’t lose just as many as they took

@babyjunior8400 7 месяцев назад

I was raised in Swans they start taking Ls late 1990s third string couldn’t hold… and swans that’s OOOGs they haven’t had a interview (yet).. I wonder why..and a lot of swans doing life then taken looses..

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

Hes not Denying Swans are with the business, hes denying that a specific clicc is the hardest Blood set period.

@dscgodflow6663 6 месяцев назад

Yall do know 89 Familez are a separate gang from 89 Family Swans. Two different gangs, but 89 Familez lil homies couldn't push that line

@bullettoothmastiffs7969 7 месяцев назад

Bro EC peaced up with Florence. Y’all not messing with Swan. EC is the biggest Crip gang.

@Manchild331 7 месяцев назад

Tell bear to let some of that pride go and stop being so bias. When a person is bias honest journalism dies.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

break down his bias and make it make sense? You know how big Swans are? He didnt deny Swans, he denied one of their factions. Its like giving it up to 62 ECC and not 1St ECC. It aint a diss to ECC as a whole, just he has a preference on which clicc he feels is harder

@Manchild331 7 месяцев назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 bear can feel however he wants but Alonzo had a factual basis to make the claim he made. Alonzo came with real information that can be confirmed and bear came with his perception of the matter.

@Manchild331 7 месяцев назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 If I am not mistake NHF was seperate from mad swan at the time. With NHF being so small and then having so many active gangbanger per capita Alonzo was correct on making that claim.

@Rdon-ii7bz 7 месяцев назад

Bear is a hater he's being biased he know damn well 89 NHF is where it's at he to old to be acting childish like that I'm from the west side and on the west we all know in that east side the swans get it done done

@eightmilelkay1508 7 месяцев назад

Sometimes you sometimes me ALLways US LongLive T NHBPS#1

@faithhope8646 8 месяцев назад

Alex? You go by numbers. You have to think. A lot of hoods didn't get caught. Alex? You can tell you have been around some serious people. Ight

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

if the police are investigating everyone, every crime and every murder, then what ever rate of getting away with a crime is, its equal across the board. Meaning all gangs get away with about the same amount of crime and a similar rate. There is no such thing as "a lot of hoods didn't get caught." People from all hoods, big and small ended up in prison.

@faithhope8646 7 месяцев назад

@AlexAlonso101 me coming from a hood. It's crazy that you know more than all of us. I have been around a lot. Keep pushing 💪

@blast4me754 7 месяцев назад

LA dudes don't know if they want to drop this culture or keep this culture of death going. They'll act like they hate it one minute but at the same time won't let go of it.

@davebrown5957 7 месяцев назад

They know it's wrong, but at the same time it's all they know. It's complicated

@MediumKeyChannel 7 месяцев назад

It's complicated because men always love war stories. At the end of the day gang banging is self destructive and destroyed the thriving black middle class in los angeles.

@davebrown5957 7 месяцев назад

@@MediumKeyChannel yes that's all true and sad what you said

@finnafaint2087 7 месяцев назад

Amen 🙏 to that

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

we were having a conversation about what happened in the 1970s and 1980, over 40 years ago. A simple discussion of war stories which every culture has, every culture does. When the History channel covers white violence, i.e. Mafia, it so romanticized that Hollywood makes Oscar wining movies about it. When Blacks discuss the same violence form their past, its stigmatized and reduced to glorification.

@n8deezy5136 2 месяца назад

I thought street tv was street gangs

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 7 месяцев назад

I'm from 87 Street Kitchens and 89 family swans was the hardest cuz of big evil and his brother sinister

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

You sound young and like you been watching youtube videos.

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 7 месяцев назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 boy lol 🤣 only if you knew .

@lamontjohnson-xx1qe 7 месяцев назад

Nothing you can tell me about when it comes to this gang life .test my gangsta by asking me any questions about the east side.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

@@lamontjohnson-xx1qe I know enough. To think a gang is the hardest because of 2 members is not a LA gang member thing to say. You might be old, but maybe thats the issue.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 7 месяцев назад

@@lamontjohnson-xx1qe Nah, thats a weird response to. To test your gangsta? Im jsut saying bro, LA cats we dont talk like that. Maybe you old old. Its cool though.

@buzzomidwe5tlife168 7 месяцев назад

79 distant police know MsB was doing alot of shit over there So idk bear

@quincyj6509 8 месяцев назад

I agree totally. Alonzo don’t know what he’s talking about. Swans was the most active.

@raulpena8764 8 месяцев назад

He said swans just a different click

@quincyj6509 8 месяцев назад

I’m talking 84 Swans

@quincyj6509 8 месяцев назад

I grew up on 87th and Avalon. I never feared anyone from Family. Swans was a different story.

@omarsharif3381 8 месяцев назад

@@quincyj6509that's more current yea out of the whole Swan car as of present the 84's. Ring the loudest but them 77's 79's 80's with it too but in the 70's and 80's I believe. It was the 89's and plus u gotta think NHF and FSB is really know difference

@Natburner8683 8 месяцев назад

Just think we’re having an open conversation about what gang killed the most Black people. Imagine if there were no gangs and we practiced Black love and unity how they East Side of Los Angeles would look like. Right now you barley see any Black people on the east side I wonder did gang violence play apart in the decline in the Black race on the east side. Rhetorical question.

@moblack5883 7 месяцев назад

I always think that about LA. Just imagine if all this didn't happen. All those youth gone would be alive and thriving. That community would look totally different.

@Natburner8683 7 месяцев назад

@@moblack5883, If every gang produced a list of homeboys and homegirls that they lost to gun violence and a list of all the people who at least did 20 years of incarceration I bet you each gang could have well over a 100 people that they could add to the list. Now, factor in all those men and women who were killed the amount of children they could of produced had they been alive. Factor in all the children that could have been made had those bodies not been incarcerated for 20 years. Factor all the kids that grew up with no father or mother. So, I’ll be glad when we get to a point where we stop glorifying and romanticizing the genocide of our own people, we look just like each other. WTF!! I’m starting to think gang banging has been worse on Black people than slavery. I say that because look how it’s spread globally, there are Crips and Bloods in Africa and Asia, imagine that.

@complexblackness 7 месяцев назад

Yet you're on here. This is gang history channel, so yes questions like this will always come up. Don't like it, don't watch.

@user-ke5op5vg2y 7 месяцев назад

Actually you should be talking about the millions downed by white Christianity and fools still going to them churches looking at white jesus with blood 🩸 of black Hebrews on their hands with their sick blasphemy

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

A majority of black violence occurs in cities with NO gangs. Did you know that Detroit has a higher black crime rate than Los Angeles? New orleans, Philadelphia and Oakland too. You don't see gangs in those cities like you do in LA. The problem with black violence in America has nothing to do with Bloods and Crips or gangs. Its much deeper.

@scaleshenry 7 месяцев назад

BHB the huntas was very serious!

@jaykay4146 7 месяцев назад

Still is

@Quakeinc14 7 месяцев назад

You can’t tell a dude who actually lived that life what the deal is. All you can do is sit and record the history.

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

I lived it, witnessed it, was victimized by it, when to school for several years in it,,,,,WTF you talking about?????

@Frankie90640 7 месяцев назад

Wussup with fK stomper from 89ECC

@QuickHittinEm 8 месяцев назад

🔥

@hsusyehsh Месяц назад

the fact that hes here and they arent hes tryna change history. if he was half as hard as they were hed b on the row rite nex 2 them

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

Alex and Bear is both wrong. The most active Blood or Crip gang off the East Side when it comes to killings is actually Bounty Hunters. The thing is with them alot of the killings was on each other not enemies. But this is more so in the late 80's and 90's. 2000'S. Bear might be right about the 84 Swans being more active then the 89 NHF. Only because they numbers was greater and might have had more shooters but then again both sets collaborated and went on mission together allegedly if you know you know. But the one group of people who probably know the most is OSJ Police it was they job to know what went down and by who and you can best believe they had 🐀 🐀 🐀 in every section.

@MediumKeyChannel 7 месяцев назад

bounty hunters didn't venture out as much as the swans. Swans would go 1 deep all over and handle business you also couldn't join if you didn't put in work. BH's were always deep and definitely active but swans were small and deadlier

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

@MediumKeyChannel agree most of there killings was in house. But the volume of violence they created was #1 It just wasn't against the Blue team.

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

@MediumKeyChannel let's not forget in them 80's and 90's the Bell Haven Bounty Hunters had a cold CK Crew. That was with the business.

@AlexAlonso101 7 месяцев назад

I qualified the statement with "pound for pound" meaning for the size and numbers that 89NHF had, they were the most active. The Bounty Hunters certainly have a larger turf, and deeper members, therefore most likely kicked up more dust than any other blood set on that side of town, but for the smaller size 89NHF was, they had a bonafide roster of soldiers.

@emmettlewis2312 7 месяцев назад

@AlexAlonso101 OK from that standpoint pound for pound that makes sense. I can't argue with that.

@lyfestylemuzik7931 7 месяцев назад

Shout out 84’s 🦢 tho lol

@user-dw4pw6ue6k 6 месяцев назад

on Swany 🦢🤍

@robertcook6736 8 месяцев назад

Alonzo favors the bloods and got the nerve to say what he saying to a dude that was involved alonzo is basically a gang nerd

@quincyj6509 8 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣

@pharoah1200 8 месяцев назад

Alex is a L.A. gang historrian. He's usually correct 99% of the time. But, he's 100% correct on this one. Not everyone in the gang knows everything. Some aren't old enough, some weren't sober enough, some didn't live long enough, and some aren't truthful enough.

@jayd503 8 месяцев назад

@pharoah1200 and some weren't around enough

@anthonydeleon7996 8 месяцев назад

Alex is a clown 🤡 💯 . Dude calls himself a scholar like he produces scholarship and/or peer reviewed articles or some shit. Buddy infatuated with black on black violence and never jumped off the porch his damn self.

@sharebear421 8 месяцев назад

@@pharoah1200you on every post riding these fools lol yeah they were a hard set for a time but you acting like they was knocking every gang down without taking loses 😂 East cost and Hoovers, mains and even the Avalon’s was just as about the business as them. Shit they had to contend with other blood sets and 18th street as well, I know swans and families got a gang of dead homies

@gregw322 7 месяцев назад

I feel like he’s definitely hating which is normal anytime your people been dropped from the other side or even if it’s simply just dudes from elsewhere. I feel like he knows the truth deep down. 😅

@JYoung3rd 7 месяцев назад

I agree, I’d rather see Alonso ask a gang cop this question because the cop is going to be non biased,& the cops are also the first people called/on the scene after a body gets dropped!!! Period!!!

@MacBlazee Месяц назад

Geographically you know swans had to get bizzy!!! They were surrounded by all crips on all sides and stood tall.. this fo cappin swans were the most notorious blood set and militant organized!

@brucegee4799 7 месяцев назад

This dude Zo an outsider looking in. Unless you were on them streets living that life then you can speak on it. Bear said it best when you get locked up and get into that station they all have a map of they surrounded areas with only the active gangs on they maps. They would sometime put on the map the top active gangs in order.

@OGNaybkorhkood6067 7 месяцев назад

Msb was the most active of dem damu ni66as

@user-dw4pw6ue6k 6 месяцев назад

he right the 84 harder den 89 no hate

@waddafuxx310 7 месяцев назад

Cuh sound like Wacc 3fingers

@NINOBRIMLaBrims 8 месяцев назад

Bip GSpike Yogie Ms Boogie brim love

@wolveman22 7 месяцев назад

Dude definitely hatin.

@olleollesson9627 7 месяцев назад

Come on man this discussion of crips vs bloods is ridiculous...crips have the upper hand all the time besides its more dangerous being a crips because of all the infighting so stop this blood narrative as always.