All Gold Sources Compared

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Comparison of all gold sources, including trade at different distances.
Big thanks to JaHeit for a ton of the spreadsheet work, as well as the mysterious stranger who posted the market distance formula on the AoE2 Wiki.
0:42 Gold mining with villagers
1:20 Relics
1:47 Feitoria
2:20 Trade carts
4:40 Congestion/obstacles
5:20 Trade cogs
7:20 Selling wood and food for gold long-term
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Game: Age of Empires 2 HD with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, and Rise the Rajas expansions

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@grandthieflupingames3470 4 года назад

1:30 Now we know the truth. The relic is a coffin that puts an immortal villager who uses a trans-dimensional pickaxe to mine gold out of thin air in stasis which can only be opened inside the safe environment of a monastery. :p

@xotl2780 4 года назад

Oh my God.

@kylethomas9130 4 года назад

So monasteries are like a gate to a dimension of unlimited golden power?

@tvremote9394 4 года назад

so monasteries are basically slavery camps? yikes

@darktermi1993 4 года назад

Relics are like statues in churchs where people leave coins

@aliencatcrew3336 4 года назад

Actually they look more like those gold things that they swing around in church that has the incense burning in it.

@alkabann5063 3 года назад

Loved the "1 relic = 1 fully upgraded villager in gold forever" comparison.

@2un7zu 4 года назад

Medina: "Help! Help! Crusaders are attacking our trade routes!"

@erickcenteno7731 4 года назад

Everytime someone donate to SPOTL patreon should send this message: For the war effort!

@AmmarFarisA 4 года назад

Broken patrons: This is all we can spare...

@raptorhacker599 4 года назад

rip lil trade carts

@user-ov3nt4ll4d 4 года назад

"REYNALD IS ATTACKING OUR CARAVAN!"

@jasv49 4 года назад

I heard that in my head in the exact ingame voice

@schmid1.079 4 года назад

What i've learned from this video: have a spanish ally.

@bertuslombardvisser4773 4 года назад

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION

@jeanmarteau7729 4 года назад

@@bertuslombardvisser4773 expects* :D

@vicio19995 4 года назад

@@jeanmarteau7729 he neither expected that

@jeanmarteau7729 4 года назад

@@vicio19995 fun fact, I'm Spaniard, so I guess he didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition of orthography hahaha

@vicio19995 4 года назад

@@jeanmarteau7729 yo tambien lo soy, por eso digo

@JallenMeodia 4 года назад

Apparently, for AoE2:DE the devs have fixed some of the bumping issues making trade routes more efficient. They said they had 200 trade trades running and they only had minor issues. I guess we shall soon see.

@FenrirFire18 4 года назад

You make me want to play AoE2 again. 😃

@Ltdcloud 4 года назад

You mean you are not playing it right now??!!

@davidsnoek8686 4 года назад

on the 14th on this month aoe 2 DE is coming live with 4k graphgigs!

@jigyeshshah4533 4 года назад

Well i actually started playing against thanks to sotl... Though i am getting my ass handed to me on voobly 15l and 2w

@GraveUypo 4 года назад

he got me back into the game a few years ago, too

@BalgaBear 4 года назад

Why'd you ever stop playing?

@gmat4380 4 года назад

So glad to hear the old intro music.

@stevencolor3389 4 года назад

One thing I would like to add for the cart vs cog debate is that it is usually a lot easier to defend a land route as you can build towers/castles along the route and at checkpoints to force raiders off them while with cogs it can be hard to cover enough area with towers/castles to properly defend them from attacking ships

@petersmythe6462 4 года назад

"1v1s where trading isn't an option." *CHALLENGE ACCEPTED*

@DarthTellor 4 года назад

T90official traded with the enemy in 1v1 yesterday. Proving it's easy and healthy.

@JonatasAdoM 4 года назад

@@DarthTellor Oo

@LachskoenigIV 4 года назад

Always watch out for harbors left behind.

@joshuaphillips3999 4 года назад

harbours and markets of dead players are great for trade in death matches or especially regicide matches

@AlanDeAnda1 4 года назад

@@DarthTellor Like US and China.

$@fractuz$

@fractuz 4 года назад

You forgot an important gold source: Being Saracens, getting Madrasah and Atonement, converting a bunch of enemy Monks and then deleting them for 33 gold each!

@Kelso540 4 года назад

How have I never thought of this. Rofl.

@paco3523 3 года назад

Brilliant

@gorilladisco9108 3 года назад

Allahu ackh .. boom ..

@daandevos122 2 года назад

I now imagine this with Bohemian trash monks, and getting an infinite gold supply

@williamschultz4892 4 года назад

I think they changed the trade cogs since you did this--the cogs now automatically trade at the FARTHEST docks, rather than the nearest. A discovery I made at the cost of losing my entire trading fleet due to the enemy tower I hadn't noticed when I invested all my gold into trade cogs . . . But, it is a useful fix.

@conter1 4 года назад

Hi Spirit, thanks a lot for your inspiring and enlightening uploads :)! Kinda off topic now, but the day before yesterday, I finished my study of medicine after many many years and the only way of not losing it while hitting the books on the final sprint was watching one of your videos after every chapter...it helped a lot with relaxing and clearing my mind now and then. Keep up the good work and stay the cool guy you are! :)

@thomasthetanderloin 4 года назад

0:38 are my eyes deceiving me or is that elephant doing a moonwalk?

@skylervyk 4 года назад

Yes

@mkaali 4 года назад

You are obviously new here :)

@Toke-YT 3 года назад

So great

@ignacionadeo1306 3 года назад

I eagerly await the day when he flubs the intro and says "hey laws, spirit of the guy here".

@bphu3345 4 года назад

Man, your channel is the best. The time you put into reaching these conclusions is impressive. Truly a wise AOE player, who improved my AOE game by leaps and bounds. Thanks SotL

@Pyroptere 4 года назад

I love the "up to the Rise of the Rajas expansions at 8:10"

@-Raylight 4 года назад

"We found a cart, maybe we take her (the gold)?" "No" *_Trade cart in AoE2 in nutshell_* At least take the gold you silly units

@GhostDr3amer 4 года назад

They do take the gold. For themselves. You get nothing.

@Hortifox_the_gardener 4 года назад

That would actually be a cool mechanic and incentive to raid trade routes even more. But on the other hand it makes a trade raid hurt even more and might tip balancing.

@BaronPraxis8492 4 года назад

I love AoE, but Rise of Nations handles that stuff so much better. You get plunder from attacking caravans, you can trade with other cities you've built on the map, taxation means you have a steady supply of wealth, etc

@GentleMannOfHats 4 года назад

@@BaronPraxis8492 I never got the hang of RON it seems like you spam units near the end game

@BaronPraxis8492 4 года назад

@@GentleMannOfHats Kinda, yeah.

@Triad_Orion 4 года назад

This video really puts into perspective just how important getting some relics are in maps. Don't get me wrong, they're always important seeing as how they're passive, free resource generation, and you want to deny that benefit to your enemies as much as possible. But learning that a single relic is about as efficient as a fully upgraded villager on a gold mine in post-Imperial really helps put that in perspective. That can be a pretty fair amount of money over the long term, especially if a game drags into a prolonged trash fight.

@AeonQuasar 4 года назад

4:47 Villager farming: Do You MIND!

@waylandertheslayer3259 Год назад

Really appreciate your videos man. They’re so insightful and well researched

@PauxloE 4 года назад

I've heard that definitive edition improves the pathing, so you'll have to rerun the congestion measurements again soon.

@Passance 4 года назад

I like to imagine that every couple videos SOTL adds another scene to his intro, and by 2021 we will be hearing almost the entire song in his intro

@naan-oyobizniz3168 4 года назад

Never clicked on an Age of Empires 2 Gold Source Comparison video so fast!

@matthew4581 4 года назад

Loved your appearance on the T90 stream

@balkcsiaboot3297 4 года назад

Thanks for all your AOE2 videos. Can't wait to see you start making AOE4 stuff ;-)

@GummieI 4 года назад

hmm that is gonna be interesting if they improved the pathing, in DE, that could be a significant improvement to the trade cogs then

@adwans1491 4 года назад

I just Love every video from you no matter how boring the title might seem 😍😍😍

@Morgan_Black 4 года назад

2:53 I got cancer by that farm placement.

@lithomie5275 3 года назад

Yep cancer is funny hahah

@matyasneilinger906 4 года назад

Loving your content, great video, keep up the good work! Have a nice day😊

@ZayuRift 4 года назад

Nice video as always. Keep in mind that with the improved pathfinding of Age2:DE, trade routes might become even more efficient, especially in 4v4 with many tradecarts running the same path.

@barrytschirpig9328 4 года назад

Always good to hear the intro song!

@DatBrasss 4 года назад

Please make a top 5 defensive civs list.

@amoghkumarmishra698 4 года назад

And one for trash.

@HolyKhaaaaan 4 года назад

Goths would definitely be in the top 10 for best trash because of their extremely cheap and quick to make halberdiers, and FU elite skirmishers.

@AmmarFarisA 4 года назад

Malay after forced levy too

@raptorhacker599 4 года назад

wtf is a defensive civ? u cant turtle in 1v1s

@ShineKami666 4 года назад

1. Turks 2. Korea 3. Japanese 4. Byzantines 5. Portuguese imo

@TheDark1965 4 года назад

This video is awesome, I always watch your content while I'm having dinner. Not sure why

@SportNut1 3 года назад

Great video! I swear millions of players were hoping for an answer to this And kudos to taking the contingency into account

@manolocordovez9323 3 года назад

I am a returning player after 20 years, been watching all your videos and I am very grateful to you, Thank you!

@gothicsage955 4 года назад

Love your recent videos! It's me Don.

@Zawazuki 4 года назад

Awesome video! I'm so hype for AoE2 Definitive!!!!

@Dabeyoun 4 года назад

Wow, ignored the great Saracens trade bonus. :(

@TheGeoCheese 4 года назад

Spanish is better anyway.

@yiyoascen 4 года назад

Omg I love your videos. Pls do one about counters!

@hakimsen7147 4 года назад

Meantime in RU-vid. Viper: Cumans overview. T90Official: Bulgarian overview. SpiritoftheLaw: Gold Rates in age of empires 2

@massaosaito4084 4 года назад

Hey dude, I imagine that you are gonna do the new civs overview a little after the AoE2DE release, but will you redo the previews ones?

@tulthor2967 4 года назад

It will take five yearsto do all of that.

@adwans1491 4 года назад

The oldest civs vids maybe or the ones which changed the most

@David-yb9ee 4 года назад

In a nutshell it will be easiest since he only need to edit the script for the differences. *not saying that's going to be n easy task, just easier now he have done it.

@kln5705 4 года назад

Nearing 200k subs! You go, SotL!

@gmwdim 4 года назад

The tricky thing about trade is that the carts themselves cost gold, and they create very slowly. It takes a while before you even break even on the cost of creating the trade carts.

@keanubonocan3937 4 года назад

Hoping that the next video would be on Definitive Edition already! Can't wait for next week's launch

@23Kaugummi 4 года назад

the intro is back

@cpt-swampy-07 4 года назад

Finally as promised, 14 Nov. It's time to be released, stand by!

@davidsnoek8686 4 года назад

cannot wait to install it

@artham94 4 года назад

@@davidsnoek8686 I couldn't wait either until it listed Win10 as its minimum OS requirement......

@davidsnoek8686 4 года назад

@@artham94 thats already the case, you can look it up on Steam

@artham94 4 года назад

@@davidsnoek8686 Yeah that's what I was saying.

@cpt-swampy-07 4 года назад

@@artham94 I think that game only can works on win 10 64-bit

@Clerkius 4 года назад

Excellent Choice!

@BVasquezp 4 года назад

I like how rise of nations expanded on the trade route mechanics. While you were limited to one caravan per route and one market per city, your caravans could trade between any two allied or neutral markets on the map. In solo games this beggan with your second city, bu increased geometricaly as you added more cities and markets. In team games it expanded even sooner and faster as allies built markets themselves.

@devangnivatkar2649 4 года назад

The Dry Dock speed boost being cancelled out by a penalty on Trade Cogs also applies to the Berber faster moving ships bonus

@nixxblikka 4 года назад

I dont like guitars, and I am not really into AoE 2 - but for some reason I keep watching your videos, and for some other eason I really love the intro, makes me feel good instantly...

@DeJake 4 года назад

Man the footage makes me miss those old noob black forest games I used to play

@DanishCamp 4 года назад

So in short: Get all gold on the map, then do tradecarts shortly before running out and supplement with relics. Only use market if you can ensure dealing a blow to the enemy.

@Elmias 4 года назад

Hey guys, Spirit of the La Hire!

@rikwisselink-bijker 4 года назад

I can't unhear it since that video..

@Guthix744 4 года назад

My top2 favourite gold sources: - selling stone - paper money :)

@noidontwantthat7237 4 года назад

@alhassani626 4 года назад

NO. Both letters capital. Go through 4th grade mathematics again.

@noidontwantthat7237 4 года назад

@@alhassani626 Haha no

@kamikazefrancais 4 года назад

Argh my heart, this was so painful to read

@AmmarFarisA 4 года назад

No u

@hansoskar1911 4 года назад

Fromt he time I start trade, how long does it take until I end up with more resources than before assuming constant trade cart production? depending on the number of markets I do.

@Sharnoy1 4 года назад

I haven't played AOE2 for years now but I still find myself watching SOTL videos on weekly basis :D

@wliu758 4 года назад

Aztec relic is so powerful. I would definitely consider collecting them in the future when I'm AZ.

@nelsonmejiaslozada9362 4 года назад

Or have azt ally

@TheKesscro 4 года назад

Hello Spirit Of The Law and everyone ! I am asking myself a question : what is the best way to improve my skill ? Should I focus on some build, better play aggressively or defensively ? And is there a best strategy in FFA ? :) Sorry for the questions a bit unrelated to the videos ! I really liked it as all your others ones ! Can't wait to see your content with the defenitive edition ( I hope everything you taught us since now won't change too much )

@Alias_Anybody 4 года назад

I wish we had a similar channel for AoE3.

@Leveler93 4 года назад

Thank you, this is helpful!

@renehei2352 4 года назад

very nice video!

@kylethomas9130 4 года назад

I've been waiting for this math.

@slushyjones4939 4 года назад

Great work as always! Does the Berber ship speed bonus improve Trade Cogs?

@DominatorLegend 4 года назад

Moral of the story: Go HEEEYEEYEE or go home.

@sreckocuvalo8110 4 года назад

*guitar chord*

@wesleyquere4979 4 года назад

"Which makes 4.21..." Me:We were on the verge of greatness

@thomasniehof6333 4 года назад

Nice video, man! Since you always do the math behind AoE2, do you know what the ideal number of Trade Carts is on a route without obstacles, based on each map size? The larger the map size, the more Trade Carts you can have on that route without them bumping into each other. Also, this video proves that trade routes where both Markets are in the corner of the map are actually quite inefficient.

@TheForhekset 4 года назад

I just watch these for fun, I'm terrible at the game, and even if I was good, nobody needs to min max to this extent. Optimal berry foraging, wall placement, farms, everything is examined in these videos. I'm surprised gold wasnt already covered.

@zactolson3938 4 года назад

Hey Spirit, wanted to ask, since I can't find anything concrete about this; I know the Saracens 5% trade fee is useful in the early game for selling resources, but how much does it affect the bottom end, and does that change their late-game numbers significantly? I can't imagine it does, given how far down the bar was for g/min comparatively, but figured I would ask! Thanks for the awesome videos!!

@keeganlafferty1395 2 года назад

there really should be an option to have a trade cog set a specific dock as its "home," prioritizing that dock for the return trip, or maybe just prioritize a certain dock as a trade hub period

@TheSacredMaster 4 года назад

That trade route formula is actually really interesting.

@MrSafer 4 года назад

Im excited for the new AoE 2 gonna get new spirit videos!

@raidarthegunwizard4520 4 года назад

Don't forget the new gold source (tatars only): its unique unit can generate gold when fighting the units

@JoHAnn1337 4 года назад

Although not relevant for the calculations, I feel it is worth mentioning that the trade cog is built much faster than the cart. Brilliant video otherwise, and I love the intro. :)

@henrique8765 4 года назад

SOTL: teaches how to perfectly fit farms around your mill Also SOTL: 7:21

@henrique8765 4 года назад

@Hoàng Nguyên probably to keep 5 on wood and 5 on food

@Skaitania 4 года назад

You do have to invest into trade route defenses which can be quite hefty, especially when the people you don't trade with get jealous. Relics on the other hand are fairly straight forward to maintain. Just a bit of polish every month, dust off its pedestal in the crypt and give the guarding monk a keg of ale.

@Winou4 4 года назад

I know this Video is pretty old but i wanted to say that I would've really appreciated a quick result-overview in estimated gold per minute for every way to obtain gold on one screen at the end. In my opinion that wouldve put a nice finish to the video. Nevertheless the Video explained everything very well, thank you

@bobb5492 3 года назад

you know what would be cool? being able to choose which resources your feitoria produces, like all gold, stone, or 1/2 of two different resources, etc.

@maulob1523 4 года назад

0:13 *_"Why not selling stone? You can also get gold that way!"_*

@DetectiveJones 3 года назад

Doesnt one Civ get gold from farms? It might have been added after this or I might be misunderstanding it as Ive never played them but I thought I read somewhere that after a while some Civ has its farm produce gold

@tisajokt7676 4 года назад

So does the trade cog inefficiency apply to the upcoming II DE, with its supposedly improved pathfinding?

@DMacDaddy 4 года назад

This Video is pure gold!

@mateodmp 4 года назад

When do you should start trading with your allies? I have see many players that start on imperial age when they ran out of mining places, guess they spend the resources of trade carts on army at the early and mid game, other players start trading as soon as they can. Which option is better?

@poodles4058 4 года назад

Really good video! Just a small nitpick I had was that the pronunciation of Sultan is wrong

@hepsbok171 4 года назад

0:38 was that La Hire dome-smacking some english dogs in the intro?! This pleases me 😊

@shino4242 4 года назад

The blood on La Hires sword is almost dry.

@hoi6821 4 года назад

Can you start with a serie about the definitive edition? If it comes out at novembre 14th

@William-B 4 года назад

What about dropping a market/dock near your ally? Does the reduction in distance and potential traffic counterbalance the reduced gold rate?

@StriKe_jk 4 года назад

With bumping being so important for trade cogs, can you test and math out how many trade cogs per tile distance is reasonable to get maximum efficiency? (Same with trade cards too please!)

@AntonioZL 4 года назад

I'll try that.

@staffloss 4 года назад

You ever open a video 40 seconds after it's posted an see it already has 3 comments?

@HAHA4625 4 года назад

Is it possible to approximate a curve for the trade gold reduction taking into account volume of trade carts? Take gold per minute of a generic game and then count the number of carts on that route, would be really tedious to get a reliable result though.

@TheGhangy 4 года назад

would it be better then to split your trade units between carts/cogs in a 50/50 rate to reduce the effect of "bumping" then? (whenever possible of course)

@Ayakinim 4 года назад

It wouldn't be 50/50 but a very skewed number because cogs bump way more than trade carts.

@Dr.CaveCurinas 4 года назад

What about generating gold from a Saracen market? Does that bottom out at a higher price than normal?

@noirrrr 4 года назад

I love ur vids

@leow193 4 года назад

In the intro, where does the clip with the villagers attaced by scouts and disappearing comes from ?

@KalinGames 4 года назад

Hey SoTL, i have a video idea for you. You know how whenever you are calculating cost-effectiveness you either say gold has the same value as gold or 1.5x the value of food/wood. How about making an entire video on that, on how the value of resourcesfluctuates over time. For example, food is the most valuable resources at the start of the game and holds a lot of that value over on Feudal and castle age, but on imperial it losses that value. Maybe is a little to complicated to analysis, but who knows.

@MonsterHunter267 4 года назад

I like to build a market basically 5 seconds away from an ally's and have a bunch of trade carts going back and forth. That way you just have a constant stream of gold and dont have to wait for carts to make a journey.

@alfiechampion46 4 года назад

It’s probably not even worth the cost of buying the trade carts

@MonsterHunter267 4 года назад

Actually, you'd be surprised. The return on investment is 100% in a short period of time; after that, it's all profit.

@mrbatukhan6791 4 года назад

I did this in vinlandsaga. When you destroy only 1 british market and left the other intact

@CaptainArn 4 года назад

Logistical question: If you were to chuck two markets really close to each other so the carts could just go bang bang bang bang bang bang bang gold gold gold gold gold gold gold gold gold etc Would the reduced movement time between them actually counter the amount of gold they don't generate from long trips? Or no?

@declankhan3017 4 года назад

I seem to recall another video that stated that if the Markets are too close together the gold accrued value for each Trade Cart shows as 0, however the actual value is a fraction >1, so they would still accrue gold at a rate consistent with the equation (which incidentally is probably the least efficient method of acquiring gold you could do short of forcing a longer path between them.).