I guess it's one of the best review of VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base. You've caught out all the details of manufacturer's philosophy. Our congratulations! We're looking forward to your vid of VPC Constellation Alpha Grip.
I've watched your reviews like 5 times while my order is being made, should be here in 3 days super excited. The production quality of these make them rewatchable. You should review more products.
Thanks a ton for the kind words Jordan! That describes my goal with videos as well as I could myself. If I am in the market for something or have already bought it I like to soak up videos on it to help with my impatience! More reviews definitely on the calendar brother!
This is an excellent video that I first watched about two months ago, and again today. I use a Warthog HOTAS and the TPR Pedals. Soon after I watched your video for the first time, I ordered the CM2 base, 100mm extension, the TMW Throttle adapter, V3 large mount and the V3 small mount. It took about one month to receive the order from Virpil to the US, using Fedex Express. I mounted the Warthog grip with 100mm extension, with about a 15 degree CCW offset, so that I can position the grip centered on my chair, using the V3 large mount. I mounted the throttle using the small mount. I had forgotten about your comments about the medium spring providing more tension than the heavier spring. I left the default cam, as I recalled you had done the same. I switched to the heavier spring, and thought it was just me.... I felt that the heavier spring had less tension than when using the medium spring. I just watched your review again and realize that this is indeed the case. I will be switching back to the medium spring. I liked the Warthog base, and thought it was good, but wow, it is now amazing with CM2 base and extension. The Virpil hardware seems to be very well built and I am more than happy with the sturdiness of the mounts. I spend most of my time with the UH-1 in DCS, and cannot wait for Virpil to release a collective. I also use it with the rest of the DCS modules and IL2. Thanks again for making the video, it did point me in the right direction between which base to get. The CM2 was right for me.
Great detail. Puts everything we need to know right in our lap. The only thing left for us to do after watching this video is to find the money to buy it. For Gold Standard, top of the line aspirations, DCS Fighter Pilot Sim = VIRPIL MongoosT-50 CM2 base and grip or TM Warthog grip, SPACE Sims = VIRPIL WarBird Base + Alpha Grip, Subscribed !!
Switched from warbrd+spacecam nocenter to to mt50cm2 with spacecam nocenter with light springs with around 80% tension. I feel a massive difference on the center zone. mt50 is deadly precise and almont remove all my overshoot.
I just don't know if I would be willing to buy the MongoosT-50CM2 for €289.95. If I buy two of them with the new joystick coming out it would be over $1,000 USD. Is it really worth it? I don't want to buy the cheaper option knowing that I would not be as happy with it. I did some calculations on how much a good Virpil setup would cost, that is without the desk mount. VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base is €289.95 VPC Constellation ALPHA-L is €179.95 290+290+180+180= €940 to dollars= $1,042.94 United States Dollars. VPC WarBRD Base is €169.95 even then, with two cheaper bases the price is €700 or $776.57 with the joystick and base. The T1600m is $130 for dual joysticks its a good value even if the base buttons feel cheap.
Thanks for another awesome video. You've become my goto source for Virpil info before this large purchase (wink wink Virpil...hook this guy up with everything as it drops). I'm mostly getting a HOSAS setup for Star Citizen and maybe some Elite...but starting to dabble with DCS FA-18C so likely going throttle also. Would I be disappointed with the resistance of the WarBrd for DCS? I'm currently using an X52 Pro on a desktop...so its tough to know what I want out of a proper desk-mounted setup...
Highlighting the differences more between the warbrd and that one would be interesting. Because they look very similar externally and internally the warbrd is also very cleanly worked out. Im having a warbrd but it would be interesting what i would be missing out on.
I am planning on upgrading my flight setup. Currently using an excellent modded Hotas Cougar (Hall sensors, improved gimble) that belongs to a friend, who left it in my care when he moved. I also have my own unmodded Cougar, with spiking pots (both hotas are probably 20+ years old) . Anyway, friend got a Warthog and is very satisfied with the system, and this was (until now) my preferred option. I am a casual simmer, but planning on be more active. I mostly fly WW2 sims (IL-2 BOS), and want to have a "compact" setup, meaning I don't want a permanent mount on the table, I want to have a folding stand, like you can use with Warthog. To be honest here - Warthog would more than satisfy my flight sim needs, and I love well made, sturdy products (reason i got Cougar in the first place). However, Warthog seems to have inferior mechanics, plus, Virpil looks sick and is, to a degree, upgradable and can last you a lifetime of, I guess, superior experience. I am also planning on buying a VR headset (HP Reverb on wishlist), so would be using mostly or entirely in VR setup. So my options so far: 1. Original wishlist: TM Warthog + some rudder pedals + folding stand// least expensive, least fuss 2. VPC WarBRD Base + VPC WarBRD Grip + TWCS (or Warthog) throttle + some rudder pedals// better stick, sliding throttle 3. VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base + VPC WarBRD Grip + TWCS (or Warthog) throttle + some rudder pedals + needed hardware 4. VPC WarBRD Base + VPC WarBRD Grip + VPC MongoosT-50CM Throttle + some rudder pedals + needed hardware// better stick, better throttle 5. VPC WarBRD Base + VPC WarBRD Grip + VPC MongoosT-50CM Throttle + VPC ACE-1 Rudder Pedals + needed hardware// all VPC setup 6. VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base + VPC WarBRD Grip + VPC MongoosT-50CM Throttle + VPC ACE-2 Rudder Pedals + needed hardware// going bananas As you can imagine price difference between option 1 and option 5 is significant. So my questions are: How well do VPC components mix&match with other flight controls? Can VPC components be fitted on standard folding stands? If not, could I just have an adapter plate made (I know someone who can cut and drill the piece)? If I decide to go with full VPC setup (options 5,6) are Virpil prepared to offer some extra discounts? Any special conditions for sales/shipping in EU zone? If bought via company, is VAT still included in the price? (Note to all: VAT in EU is additional 20% (varies on country I think) ) Sorry for hijacking your party, I need answers! :) Thank you all in advance.
Thanks so much for the comparison to WarBRD, I was always scratching my head as to the price difference and if it was worth it. It's a pity the mongoose + WarBRD is apparently to tall for desktop use, since if I want Virpil I seem to be forced to go for a desk mount..
How does this compare to the VKB Gunfighter? Also, I'm super surprised to see that you have so little subscribers as your production quality is incredible for such a small channel.
Great detailed video. I have two MT50 bases with left and right Mongoos grips. I love mine, but personally for this price and being version 2 - I would have expected a twist with lock and clutch. If they would have had these features - I would have considered an upgrade.
Great detailed video. I watched several times to ensure I'm tracking on which cam and spring combo will give me my best range of movement and feel. One minor mistake on the graphics of the cams. The Av Soft Center cam only has two bumps and two holes. Your graphic shows three bumps. It had me scratching my head a few times to ensure I had the right parts. I ended up cross referencing to another vid to ensure I wasnt missing something. Thanks again! -Jeff
I would love to upgrade my x-55 rhino for the Virpil stick/throttle setup but thats roughly 1k dollars with a couple accessories like the desk mount. Some day I will upgrade as their gear seems to be very well worth it. I wish I could go somewhere locally to play around with them.
Been waiting for this one. I have a humble suggestion for a video someday, if you can get some Thrustmaster TPR pedals, please review them. They are the only high quality pedals that I can get shipped within Canada. Everything else is US or EU with huge import fees (hundreds of dollars). They are pricey though, however they seem quite nice. Thanks for the hard work making these! Edit after finishing: I really want this base now. Was considering the Warbird, but ultimately I will be using an extension whenever it's finished, so this seems best. Also that Alpha grip seems fantastic. I hope it has an analogue brake pinky lever and not a digital one.
The TPRs are awesome. I picked up a set earlier this month. A virtual axis for breaks is not realistic at all. It the idea is to sim, then accuracy is pretty important. A physical set of pedals will also be far far more precise than a stick based one due to the larger travel.
@@andreilukyanau1497 Analogue is much more accurate, a full axis instead of on/off. I could deal with a digital one though, especially if I end up with a set of pedals. I only need it for planes with such a pinky brake. (Yak-52 for me)
Now detailed MT50 - Gunfighter comparison, please, grips included! What I do not really understand is why they use classic slot bolts for tension settings - that groove is in my experience the one that suffers from the damage the most. Why not also hex or torx? With slot you have to visually check that screwdriver fits in, for hex/torx etc. you can do that blindfold. It is almost idiot-proof :)
Hey man, I would love to see a review of the Real Simulator FSSB-R3 base with it's F-16/18 grip. It's a force sensing base just like a real F-16. Im fascinated with it but can not find any good reviews.
I don't but it doesn't really need a video, its the exact same as mounting it to the TM base. Same plug and same thread locking process. If you are familiar with putting the TM grip on the TM base you'll have no issues on the MT50 Base!
Hey mate I have been looking through your videos but I can find reviews for the VKB GF3 or a review on the VPC Mongoose t-50 CM2 grip. I ask because your review of the GF2 and their t-50 grip made it seem like there was a bit left to be desired on the quality of the VKB grip but I would like to have the dry clutch, so I am curious if the build quality on the VPC Mongoose t-50 CM2 is higher than the VKB. Cheers
Hi Jesse! Can you tell me about the precision without extension? I would like to use the base with the Constellation Alpha Stick to use the Z-axis. However, high precision is very important to me in order to be able to fly e.g. air refuelling in DCS without any problems. Thank you!
@@jessecalder I have a virpil stick for my warthog but I am not very convinced of it. It may be that it is a cheaper produced model than the new but currently I do not know what I should buy to warthog.
@@xXx1Falcon1xXx yea, the CM2 grip has some interesting characteristics as far as the plastic is concerned... some interesting seam joints and trigger feel. but i need to get the warthog and fly them head to head in an A10C
So, it's probably going to be a long while before I can justify the $$$ for a dual stick virpil alpha setup... who knows, maybe by the time I can drpo the kind of cash it would take, there will be another gimbal available, but I figured I would ask anyways. I've heard that the WarBRD is the better option for "smoother resistance" from another SC player/youtuber and they mentioned that the CM2 base would probably be better for longer extensions since they increase the "weight" that the gimbal sees due to the longer lever. I definitely feel like I want to set up with long sticks for that more realistic feel and more precise control, what do you think about the "weight" issue? Would the WarBRD handle the longer extension without it making things feel a bit looser or floppy from the added leverage on the gimbal?
I mainly fly F/A-18 in DCS. Could you please give recommendation which grip I should have between TM F/A-18C Hornet grip vs VPC MongoosT-50CM2 ?. Thank you.
@@DanneJensen vkb gunfighter ultimate w extension and virpil throttle. (Had the mfg-crosswind pedals from before) I am very satisfied, but have 3 peripherals from 3 different manufacturers. We consumers should somehow force a standardization upon the three! Imagine that glorious revolution!
@@jessecalder Your B Roll footage looked like the climate and scenery right near the Rockefeller Estate (Summer Estate) is here near Ft. Bragg. Really surprised you said WA. Not what I imagined. Lol.
At playback 10:22 , the base compatible with TM Warthog grip, after tighten up the extension 100mm+cable extension together with the virpil base do you notice any twist or yaw on the grip?
@@jessecalder I'm upgrading from thrustmaster 16000m because I broke it dogfighting. I can't decide between gunfighter or delta. My mount is on the chairs arm rest. I'm in Need of a new stick that will last me a lifetime. I will be using it for star citizen purposes. What I wanna know is how the accuracy is r they both same when it comes to accuracy of what u 2ant the sticks todo
There comes a point when you see the prices of these things and you just say forget it. Beyond ridiculous. They are priced for people who today who have more money than they know what to do with.
I love it when so called experts “educate” us with their knowledge. Duraluminum is used today. It is the name that is not used . This aluminum alloy mainly uses copper as it alloying element. The international standard nomenclature for this type of ally is classified as 2000 series aluminum grades. Popular grades are 2011, 2014, and 2024. And yes, there are Aircraft quality grades of aluminum. 2024, 7075 are two grades extensively used in the manufacture of aircraft parts. There are Mil-S and AMS specs for these grades. Look em up… I know this because I sold these types of materials for over 30 years. …just sayin’ Keep these reviews coming Jesse! They are very well done.
