All Villains Characters Turned Good - Spider-Man 2 (PS5) 

Well just Jonah Jameson doesn't accept spiderman so idk. Also Jonah on spiderman confuses me because in the first game peter confirms Jameson is the one to call him amazing and spectacular but.... he hates spidey.

​@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 no, Pete said Jonah would have used "a few other adjectives"

​@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259he probably used them as examples of what people think spidey is like before calling him a menace and saying that those thoughts are wrong

"mysterio will always be a villain. just as spider-man will always be the hero. its when you start looking at the people behind the masks that things get messy"

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I think it's a nickname Jameson uses on Peter, like "The amazing Spider-Man? More like the amazing manace!"

He cared about her What do you expect

He never meant for his actions to kill her, and for that, he regrets them (Along with several other things)

Martin looked up to May and actually cared about her Martin was never really a borderline psychopath, just a man who was cursed with powers and his parents were killed by norman osborn and his life goal was to seek revenge on him.

​@@khotunkhan3950ok...

Not a bad thing. Being a bad person just to see the world burning is not relatable. People normally turn to being evil because they disagree with something and just choose the wrong way to portray how they feel. They are not necessarily by heart. Thats relatable.

In spider man most of the villains are victims of circumstance much like spidey himself is. And while they do bad things for reasons they feel are justified, its not (usually) like johnny from cyberpunk 2077 just killing tens of thousands of people for his girlfriend during the night city nuke. I think their deeds make at least some of them not too far gone. And lets be honest in spideys life? He could really use something going his way for once. Throwing people in prison forever doesnt usually do much compared to rehabilitation...though again not everyone should be

@@arneshgupta1364True relatability with characters helps their quality but not all characters have to be relatable and I think that’s kind of the point of the complaints towards sympathetic villains.

nooot just gaming.

@@everythingsalright1121 Be fair how cybepruni is portrayed, its a worl that NEEDs to crumble to dust. in spidey's world its about makign sure the world doesn't get that way.

Then I say: SHUT THE F**K UP MIGUEL AND LET THIS STORY CARRY ON!! PEOPLE AND VILLAINS CAN CHANGE!

Well i hope it won't be like that

That’s not how it works, plus both miles and Peter have had their canon events. Peter lost aunt may and uncle Ben and miles lost his dad and his friend phin. Those were their canon events.

Bros canon event already happened when his dad got boomsticked by invert-colors man

@@kj2valid619 yeah, heck it was a whole part of miles story about obsessing over stopping Li.

It's not even new, especially with spider man villains. But it never gets old for me.

norman went good for a while cause his goblin essence was removed from him then there was a recent story where peter accidentally got goblins essence and went evil but was returned to normal when norman took it back. all in all it was an obvious set up to make norman evil again.

It is suck it Punisher

It’s not a new thing regardless, and everyone keeps going back and forth saying a villain simply being a villain is fun but it’s boring when there’s no complexity or redemption, but then if a villain reforms they’re “boring” to some, people are really confusing when it comes to criticism.

Fr. Seeing Tombstone, Doc Ock, Norman Osborn, Venom, Lizard, Morbius, and Sandman being good people warms my heart

That beatdown he received and being changed back into a "normal" human for a while must have really put things into perspective for him.

I liked that a lot too. After recently getting the platinum for ps4 Spider-Man, Tombstone was one of my favorites. Humble after getting his ass beat, and eventually turned his life around

Tombstone just blew someone's head in the first game. Im still surprised he got the "second chance"

@@aihara01 there was a context to that. He found out the mofo was trying to skimp on something they were supposed to provide for li, tried to make excuses, attempted to shoot him. killed him over that escalation.

Hope that's guy life will be good

But he should've let Yuri kill Cletus cause if you know who that psycho is, you know he's not redeemable (Edit: Even if he doesn't know who Cletus is, just look at his fucking cult ffs. That alone is enough for me to end his life or let him die. Oh and stop with that moral "Oh you shall not kill or you are no better than them" crap okay. I'm on Yuri's side or others like Punisher or Deadpool or any anti-heroes cause they understand that sometimes in order to get things done you have to get dirty and cut some throats, instead of doing some assist kills like this dumbass or Batman.)

​@@muthafukajones8114people don't deserve life because we think they might be good. People deserve life because it is the functional purpose of society. If Spidey makes that choice, or lets someone else make that choice outside of the law, then that is Peter deciding he has the right to decide who deserves to live, and that goes beyond the well-meaning criminality of vigilanteism and into the actual immoral field of rampant murder. Cletus might be the biggest argument against somebody being allowed to live, but it's not the responsibility or authority of an unelected vigilante to put people to death.

@@muthafukajones8114none of them have any idea about what he’ll end up becoming lol No one has to right to preemptively kill someone just because they might be a murderous psychopath with alien powers down the line

@@muthafukajones8114 It’s the same reason why Batman doesn’t kill. Legally he has no authority to end someone’s life. Morally, where will the line be redrawn? And how can you be sure you won’t cross it again?

@@nickmalachai2227 Who is the law to make that choice with the corrupted elements that pervert it?

No, mysterio always be the hero and Spiderman always be the villain that Peter die tonight by beck hand

yeah, me too, but after she gave the wand back to miles, i kind of changed my mind. if she really was just going to steal stuff, she would have kept the wand, but she didn’t. i still don’t trust her, but if i were spider-man, i wouldn’t want to risk felicia and her girlfriend’s life, so i would still try to help her escape.

Honestly, regardless if she was playing him or not, getting her to Paris was the right move. It kept her safe. Though I'm still not sure why the hunters wanted her in the first place. She doesn't have any powers or anything, she's just a good theif. I don't see how she'd be a good hunt.

@@OmiGundam777 That is a good point. Maybe because of her stealth abilities? If nothing else Kraven would probably have a harder time tracking her than any of the other villains, which could let her get the jump on him. That said, she probably wouldn't be able to actually kill him even if that were the case, so yeah I'm not sure what the Hunters' plan was with Felicia.

​@@madeofcastironwhat annoyed me about that scene wasn't Felicia, but Wang taking the wand, leaving a cheeky message behind. If you "owe me one", how about you and mister sorcerer supreme HELP with the on going symbiote invasion?! Seriously, where were the other "heroes" when New York was turning into New Venom? THAT'S an avengers level threat if I ever saw one! Or the fantastic four for that matter? An alien invasion is RIGHT up their area of expertise!

@@floricel_112 Welcome to Super-Hero stories bro, also Peter solved that problem in a day, maybe if it lasted longer they might have shown up.

Did you just use the term “edgy”?

@@mdtisthebest6249 yes I did. Congrats, you can read. What’s your point?

​@@n7sorcerer419 Why did you get so defensive over that?

@@LUTHKK0L because 9 times out of 10, when someone asks a question like that, it’s to act snobby or sarcastic, especially on the Internet. It’s really tiresome.

@@mdtisthebest6249Why does that matter?

Aye it’s beautifully done and legit makes these guys all feel like real characters. I like huskie Lonnie as anyone would but Lonnie the theme park attendant is awesome too.

I agree 100%!! Imagine him coming back in Spider Man 3 to help Peter and Miles fight against the next big threats! That be awesome!

Indeed this works really well with Spider Man media and that's something that should be more used in Batman media too

for batman it is really hard. spiderman enemies mostly are sane people, but batman are insane people@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842

@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 i was thinking bout Batman rogues in Arkham too, Batman doesnt kill and thats honestly the way to go- thing is this rule is invalidated constantly cuz the Villains in Gotham are murderous assholes without remorse... so much it actually sours most people on his rule. Is good to see people can turn around and be a positive member of society.

@@The-Deadite yeah Batman's rogue gallery should be more redeemable instead of just being heartless monsters

I mean, in miles morales some goons said that "he was going soft" so maybe that was a hint

Fr 😂😂

Yea

Fair enough bro did turn over a new leave and almost immediately get kidnapped and also killed by hunters until he’s saved by the guy who beat him up and locked him up

This tombstone is cool unlike the Tombstone in the 616 who still remains a crime boss and torture spiderman while making use out of him.

After reading this I can't unsee the thumbnail with Tombstone's face

4:40 Did she just say "My girlfriend"?

@@anggafm1055yea I’m just so confused on that

I Thought Black Cat was completely Straight But No She 🏳️‍🌈😑

@@whiteboynintendops5gamer1991She’s been bisexual since the 90s.

Oh😑😒I think She not Favorite Marvel Character Anymore now but Bisexual it the same thing as 🏳️‍🌈

I mean, Kraven got what he wanted. A good death from a superior foe, and Venom delivered.

nom

I guess Kraven's darkest self was not finding a worthy foe to die to but dying on a death bed.

Well, Kraven did not have enough time to live and he chose that death

Kraven didn't have long to live, so he decided to do what he does best, hunt meta-humans with powers so that one of them would give him a dignified death.

Well i suppose for a thief, honesty is a decent first step

It's still a step in the right direction. Plus she willingly gives them help after, and gives the portal wand back after shes done with it

@@stegoshark5116 We don't even know if she's telling the truth or not. Remember, she's a compulsive liar.

​@@Downfall466exactly

Remember that Black cat lied about the son of peter, she could lie easly about a romantic relationship to get what she wants in paris (which maybe it's a great plan to rob the mona lisa or more).

Yeah Black Cat is mostly chaotic neutral

​@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho98428989i998⁸7

Good heart. What kinda of good hearted woman lies to her ex about having his kid?

@@isaachinds3736 she is a liar but she isn't all bad like in Spider-Man 2 where she wanted to go back to Paris to help her girlfriend

Didn’t Prowler work for Roxxon tho?

I mean dude is a pretty good guy to work on anything mechanical due to his invulnerability plus hey he gets to watch people race on stuff he probably fixes up

Say that to the Joker.

Fair point

​@@Panther-Strife4724the Joker did turned good in the White Knight series.

@@shiberu_7s The fact he even ended up solving alot of Gothans problems too.

​@@Panther-Strife4724or Cletus Kasady.

This is why they say Insomniac really understands Spider-Man.

Uhhh yeah but a normal criminal like Shocker or Scorpion is different than irredeemable murderers like Carnage, Joker or sometimes Goblin.

Sounds like Daredevil

Loved that reference to Matt Murdock. Would be great to see Daredevil in Spider-Man 3.

@@SplitFinnit would be cool to see a daredevil dlc in the 3rd game where we face fisk again or some other threat

@@SplitFinn It'd be cool to get some superhero cameos. in the 3rd game. We had that Daredevel reference. There was also that mission w/ Black Cat where we were at the Sanctum Sanctorum and that letter from Wong, so we know for a fact Doctor Strange is nearby. There's also Miles' Forever suit (RIP Chadwick). And we have that Wolverine game coming up, and where there's Wolverine, the X-Men are right behind him. And of course, Avengers tower. During the Symbiote takeover of this game and Devil's Breath in the first game, I just thought: "Where the Hell are the Avengers?!? Where's SHIELD? X-Men? Daredevil? Fantastic Four? ANYBODY?!? Do Peter and now Miles really have to do all this on their own?!"

​@@SplitFinn Matt Murdock: I am a good lawer

I know, right? I didn't think Tombstone of all people could change. It's a surprise but a nice surprise none the less.

​@@vanishingllama7342ì didn't think it to

some didn't get the choice

Like animals...

Scorpion, Electro, Vulture, and Shocker never got a chance to reform. Just got killed off one by one as prey Kraven was insane throughout the game. His desire to find a fight that could actually kill him in a proper fight led him to cause tons of damage Venom was a proper monster in the final third of the game, even outside of his damage done along with physical feats, he was actually quite manipulative to both Harry and Pete, filling their minds with who, or what they want to hear, but twisted in ways so that Vrnom gets to be in control. While this type of Venom is not unheard of in Spider-man, this version has some incredibly defining points for such, like him tricking Harry with voices of his mom at her gravestone. For all the other villains. They have shown to properly reform themselves, have shown steps into doing so, or have even shown some ease in their villainous sides We also have Chameleon and Cleetus, but we'll have to wait for the next game/dlc/expansion game(Miles Morales) to see what they do

Then there’s Otto

It makes me happy to

It’s such a shame for Otto Octavius. He was a well respected mentor for Peter🥺

@@markperez9613 I lost sympathy for him because he doesn't even feel bad for the things he has done. At least Li regretted getting May and FEAST and involved

Kraven's men were actively hunting Tombstone.

@@dave_the_slick8584 Did you not read the full comment before replying?

These people committed terrorism and killed relatives. I sometimes wonder if the people typing these things live in a bubble or high.

​@@asscheeks3212and they still have to pay for it they still are being feared by others for example Mysterio literaly show that even if he redeemed himsrlf he still is considered a monster by many because of his past.

and Li literally helped save the world and then went straight back to prison even though he could have gone anywhere. just feel tombstone got off way too easy@@kacperaskawski3461

Yo, I didn't recgonized that

Isn’t he Bode in Jedi survivor too?

Holy shit, Kotallo?! I loved that guy! Oh, and he's Rain in the new MK game!

I thought I recognized that voice!

Holy shit! Rain, Sekiro and Charles!

Yeah...about that... He is dead in this universe already

Welp…he’s resting alright. 6ft under

Killed by Kraven along with Shocker off-screen 💀

​@@abohachuk4765damn, shocker doesn't deserve that fate. He's a small time villain trapped between the supers plus i like spidey friendly banter with shocker during the last game

​@@kamal_jabelectro also died

I mean that's what revenge can blind people I think 2 years in the cell does mellow him down plus realized what's he's done especially Aunt May who he genuinely cared for even in the first game

She’s not bad tho she is kinda like punisher. She is only killing only bad people and people that are a serious threat

@@NicknameJytown true

She's more of an anti hero than a villain

She did actually, just not for the better

@@rabbss830 right

The girlfriend thing she said could’ve been a fake story to get to Paris or it could elude to a possible cameo or introduction of iron cat.

Felicia was really never a “bad”person either I would say, just misguided.

@@pinstripecool34 The problem is that we don't see her that much in this game

@@elementoon1651 What does that have to do with Iron Cat

​@@elementoon1651I still believe she was lying

That's bullshit. They literally have a term for that, it's frenemies.

well duh, movie only can have 2~3 hours max duration to tell the story.... meanwhile game it can build up story to the climax and still get good ending for 20++ hours gameplay you can't compare movie to a videogame

@@nicoary3677 not just that, but OP is just plain wrong. A story being told in a different medium doesn't make it better or worse than if it were told in another

@@nicoary3677the odd thing is that one thing we can compare is the writing the spider man games and the mcu spidey films. In general I find that in these games, there are better set pieces, defining moments and moments of fanservice that seamlessly blend in with the story. All of which is also applied in movies but aren’t executed nearly as well imo. Aunt May’s death for example was way better in the ps4 game because she was more of a guardian, grandmother like figure while also being Pete’s only living relative which made her death all the more impactful. While the movies had an entire trilogy to flesh out her character but only really showed her onscreen a bit in the first movie with Happy as her love interest, and made her an actual guardian figure in the third movie. Plus the way her death was staged in the game was way way better than in the movie, which kind of felt like a weird mash of uncle Ben and the ps4 game. Just my 2 cents tho.

​@@Burntdekuscrubyeah definitely Insomniac Spider Man games have better writing then MCU Spider Man. Including Aunt May's death like you mentioned is done better in the game better then No Way Home

Kassidy can’t be redeemed, he’s too far gone

there was no redeeming him in the 1st place

Cletus is actually genuinely evil. The man was a serial killer who takes pleasure in murder even BEFORE he became Carnage. You can't redeem a psychopath because they have no moral compass.

Osborn's thing wasn't always a split personality though. In a comic Peter perfectly described him as "a bad man turned worse"

​@@uncannydcmarvelous5732It's also a good comparison to him in the game here too. We've seen him do some bad stuff. But we've also seen how much he loves his family, how some of his actions are driven by that love. And how as more time passes, his rage builds

Miguel 10 minutes later: "Where am I? And who are you?" Mephisto: " You are in hell and I got to say Im a fan of your work."

​@@jkuzma123Mephisto is a villain from LoliRock.

@@Icy-be5vl I dont know LoliRock(is it a cartoon?) but in Marvel Comics Mephisto is a demon with his own hell dimension and is more or less a Satan of the Marvel Universe. Also if you are curious about him just search Mephisto Marvel comics and you will find a bunch of info about the character. Sorry for the long comment I want it so that there is no confusion about which Mephisto Im talking about since not everyone knows about this Marve character.

@@jkuzma123 Well ok. At least they gave nim good name.

@@Icy-be5vl I agree Mephisto is a good villain name. Anywas cheers have nice day(or night) because its already midnight at my place so good night.

Yeah, but I think that he considers Dr. Octavius his greatest enemy at this point.

@@BatMane95 Or Fisk

Look at spider man 1 Spider-Man helped tombstone feel for the first time in a long time

@@drewleer7854 My honest assessment of Tombstone from the first game way that he did what he did more for the thrill and the challenges he faced rather than for any other reason. He even stated that his fear of death would just make the challenge greater and more enjoyable. Funnily enough, he and Peter seem to be capable of having casual conversations even in the heat of battle which is honestly more amicable than most of the people Peter faces.

He dropped the soap

@@jamesvach6698 more amicable than Peter talking to Shocker? (before the Demons traumatized him to the point of not wanting to listen to Spidey)

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 I wouldn't know how amicable they were before then although, I do know that Shocker seemed to think that Peter talks too much. So, I can't really make a comparison there. At any rate, I did say more than most people not more than everyone. I know certain people such as Fisk. Rhino, and Scorpion for example who really don't like him too much. So, Peter and Tombstone do have some downright casual conversations compared to some of the people who make it clear they would like to crush him like the arachnid he is named after.

Unlike ATSV miles, the insomniac miles cure villains, not making them baggle victims

@@A.I.M2099 Even his combat and teamwork combat with Peter is so sync and amazing!

Yeah.

Well, it could be a lie, since it's Black Cat after all

Yep. She’s bisexual. Has been since the 90s.

Well in comic she is bisexual it not woke but people think it woke and blame this game turn her into bisexual

Just like Alfred Molina Doc Ock

They’d need heavily advanced neuro-repair technology, since his mind is almost irreversibly altered by his neural implant causing his inner hatred to control him.

He did not taste good

-Green goblin joins the chat

@@AlguienCualquieraDelMundo even green goblin is bad just bcs J-Serum makes him psycho. Cletus makes himself psycho

It could temporarily become "good" depending on the user, but the Venom itself aren't human they don't have conscience, they do everything for survival.

Have you seen the ending? I don’t think a venom game would happen unfortunately Edit:god dam I was wrong it could happen I literally saw him evaporate in the ending tho

@@Firegodzilla19 That doesn’t mean it still won’t happen. Remember, Peter had some Symbiote that was still dormant inside of him. It’s possible that some of those who were affected may also still have it. Besides, the Symbiote has survived a lot worse than any antidote. And it’s already confirmed that a Venom game is in the works, and aside from Eddie Brock, Carnage, and all the Symbiote Siblings, I’m hoping Knull is in this game, since he’s the one who created the Symbiote in the first place.

@@l-wolverine2211 but he literally evaporated

@@Firegodzilla19 You’re thinking way too little, Kid.

I imagine that Spider-Man 3 will be going the Goblin Nation route. With Norman or Harry becoming Goblin and wanting to infect the entire city. Peter will more than likely focus on taking down Goblin alone and Miles will be trying to keep the rest of the city safe alongside the reformed villains.

@@matthewcloyd8413 Don't it be Harry but I can see him becoming the new goblin and help Spider-Man to stop his father.

I can totally see Norman becoming the goblin that will be on the glider at first but as the story progresses he will evolve and mutate into the hulking ultimate storyline goblin for the final battle.

@@LiberalsSmellBad Dang that will be good.

To be fair, she was never evil. Plus, she didn’t turn bisexual. That’s not how sexuality works. Besides, she’s been bisexual since the 90s.

The sad thing is that a good amount of them are literally geniuses and could do it. Hell, the Penguin genuinely owns a high class club already. He can go straight without issue.

Yeah a lot of them could. Harley already has a successful career enough so she was assigned to the god damn Joker, Poison Ivy could be a gardener, Dent could go back to Politics and be a major hand in stopping acid attacks, Penguin could run the Iceberg Lounge as a normal bar/club, Catwoman could fight crime with Batman, Deadshot could join the military and ManBat could be a crucial player in curing things like deafness, blindness etc

This, if this happens i wouldn't view Batman as the same type of crazy Joker is, enablers annoy me.