HVAC contractor here: you can see in the picture the flue pipe is open. That is where the CO escaped into the room. That’s not an installation error. That’s a someone knocked that pipe hard enough to break the seal error.
Perfect someone with some actual experience in the field commenting. Thank you literally nothing better than getting info from an informed person. It seems like people have gotten so lazy that they will just take anyone at their word and that is why so much disinformation gets spread.
@@taekim6819 good question. I would want to know this guy’s experience and training. Technically he could have the license to work on it but if 99% of his work experience doesn’t touch this he may not really understand it.
Yes, the salon owner did do something wrong. She stored all her hair chemical products in a small room with a gas hot water heater. Cosmetologist are taught in school that these chemicals off gas.
@@eph2vv89only1way so p, if I had a water heated that was already installed, replace or not , do you think I should put chemicals near the unit? Don’t you have common sense? Hate to live in your house. If you even own one.
I was wondering that. Thought I had heard that somewhere years ago, and that's why they have to have detection devices for it because it is, in fact, odorless. I assume it's all those chemicals causing the issue in the room and not the heater.
i'm willing to bet that a while ago, that room was not used for storage. it's only after they started using it as storage for stuff that a problem happened, and could have been the cause of the problem.
In my opinion, I think she probably just feels "left holding the bag" as the judge said. It's one of those things, you pay insurance for years but the minute you put a claim through they find some BS reason to not pay. The room was to small, that leak was 6 inches away from the property, we don't cover this type of plumbing disaster, we only cover this and not that.
@@FenderBender5150I agree! Like the judge said, she for sure wasn’t at fault. I blame the insurance company for all the reasons you stated! So frustrating!
Tradesmen bad mouth other tradesmen of the same trade. 30 yrs in the trades and it seems the bad ones cuss out the good ones and lie, it happens. If the second plumber was so concerned why did he work on the dangerous unit?
That's what I thought! He simply replaced it with another water heater that was the wrong size, and did not move it at all. I guess it's fine now because the plaintiff moved out of that building and took her chemicals with her.
If it worked for so long before, 10 years. did she expand on her inventory of hair dye and mixtures and that cause the problem of not enough air circulation?
OMG to hear the plaintiff talk about what happened like it was an everyday occurrence and nothing that several of her clientele had to be rushed to the hospital. And to her, so they were at the hospital so what? She was like did not care what had happened to them. They could be suing her to CO2 poisoning.
She, or someone in that salon, is to blame. They did something in that room that caused the problem. Too many chemicals or too many wet towels on the floor near the appliance. Unless, as the defendant said, a controller, or something, went bad.
She hired him to do a job he does it. Then she sues him, then she hires another plumber to do another job. He does his job and now she's Sue's hem Anybody seeing a pattern
Her "patten" is "I am not responsible for anything that goes wrong, and will point the finger by saying YOU should have told me". For people like this, ALWAYS make record of exactly what work you do for them.
If I were one of the clients I would’ve sued her for exposing us to the carbon monoxide when she already knew something was wrong but still kept running her business 🤣🤣 but I’m upset the judge didn’t ask proof of the 8 client being affected by it cause I know for sure she ain’t got no proof and no one went to the hospital smfh she needs to be locked up in that water heater room lol
OTGs 😂 I was thinking the same thing I said Doug job is to make ppl feel even worse after losing even if they feel kool with the judgement he be on a mission to bring them down low😂😂
@@msp.5159he is told to act that way. You think a multi million dollar production is going to let the after case interview to be a smartass without permission. That’s his role on the show.
She's suing the second plumber now too? Oh, sorry..."talking to". Wait, wait, it WAS her chemicals being improperly stored that caused the issue. How does she think it's the plumbers fault? She tanked her own case with her own actions. Also, how did the people "outside" get that he replaced the water heater "completely wrong". What case were they watching?!?
The plaintiff's version of children's game "tag, you're it". Since he was the last person to touch it (work on it), she tried to blame him for the issue. That's ridiculous of course since by her own admission a hot water tank had been in that area since 1979. Actually the "true" fault lies with the person who issued the cert. of occupancy back in 1979, who allowed the hot water heater to be installed there in the first place.
Code says it takes x amount of combustion air to be proper and in NO SITUATION should obtain combustion air from any hair salon due to combustible fumes used in hair salon. READ the manufacturers installation instructions and find this to be true.
We are replacing our 13 year old 75 gallon hot water heater tomorrow. Hot water started smelling musty-bacteria or rust? Expensive job $2700 in NJ. Our unit has a large vent on top which goes to the outside. Where is the venting system on the unit in the salon?
Just had to replace mine. 40 gallons and it was 9 years old ( I didnt know you should empty them periodically so it probably would have lasted longer lol) and it was $1300 for the tank and $500 to install it. Cleveland Ohio.
Hope the defendant wins on the hot water heater case. IF it was a carbon monoxide issue, it would have happened a lot sooner. The closet is fine, she needed to store her supplies in other places.
I have seen natural gas water heaters in utility closets that were only big enough for the water tank and a furnace. My own house has the water heater in the laundry room and it looks to be as small if not smaller than the room the plaintiff's water tank is in. We do have Carbon Monoxide detectors on both floors of our house, that is just a smart thing to do. But we haven't had any problems in the 7 years we've lived in the house and the previous owner's built the place in 1972 and they never had a problem. I wonder if those chemicals are causing the issue?
@@kellismith4329 Most of these utility closets have slatted doors. At least the ones I've seen. As for my laundry room at home, it's in the basement and the door has never been on the hinges. It was off and the door was setting in the corner of the room. It's down the hall at the end of the basement so we just left it. Maybe it was removed for that reason, what do you think?
@@1967davethewave Ithink that you should give a gas burning appliance all of the combustion air that it needs - for every cubic foot of gas that gets burned, you require 15 cubic feet of air for it to burn
My gas water heater is in a room much smaller than that. I’ve lived in houses with gas hot water heaters in closets. That room was big enough. If the chemicals were the problem then the chemicals were the problem.
Surely it has a longer manufacturer warranty of some sort... electric heaters are too expensive to run as far as I know... however, combined with a hot water tank, they could be cheaper to run, only thing, they take up a lot of space..
The letters from the ins company mean nothing when they didnt even come out to inspect and they relied on the word of the "expert" plumber that didnt even install the right tank himself
I love how 👩🏻⚖️ presses the plaintiff if she’s suing the 2nd plumber “expert” who says the defendant installed the water heater incorrectly, yet he’s not there to testify and he himself installed the new one that ended up being faulty 😂 Other than that I do love Bostonian accents which I think the defendant Rick the plumber has and glad he won the case!
I have seen this very issue repeatedly which is people try and turn their gas hot water heater closet into a storage closet for cleaning supplies including the chemicals. The 2nd plummer did answer why when they stated the stored chemicals were drawn into the gas burner causing the issue.
All the judge had to ask was... "if there was no gas water there would you have installed it in that room" My guess is he would say no.. so then it would be a case of why would you be ok to replace knowing its an issue... Just because someone asks you to replace something if you know its not safe then you should not do it. Its his job to know what is and isn't safe. If the room was empty when he installed it then thats a different story but it is the same as it was when he put it in. He should have been held liable, customers pay for expertise not just a do what i want.
Having any type of chemicals in a small room with a gas hot water heater is asinine. Especially that many chemical products. All hair processing chemicals off gas.
I know I’m not a salon owner, but in healthcare NOTHING can be stored in the electrical & water heater rooms, let alone chemicals! 😮 Surely there’s some osha guideline for this for salons as well.
Same thing happened to my parents back in 2007. At first we thought it wa s the plummers negligence, but come to find out it was the manufacturer not the store or plummer. Luckily is had a warranty so it only cost my parents about 25$ or so. Thats probably what happened here.
He put it right back where the other one had been hundred years. It's something she did. Or the witness didn't come because they were scheming to make somebody other than her responsible and he wanted to save face for his company.
The cause was a blocked vent. Over time , years, debris gets built up in the vent that goes up to the chimney , and the smoke and co2 remains inside . You can’t really move it somewhere else , because of the passageway and vent to the chimney which is in the wall. Demolish the house? The second plumber yapped his mouth, and the plaintiff took the badmouthing seriously, and continued his hissing . For the plaintiff , my advice for her is to sell her current business , or dissolve it and start a new one to avoid any potential liabilities or lawsuits in the future .
What about in mobile homes that have LP systems stuffed in closets the size of shoeboxes and that's plenty of room. I'm taking a shot in the dark that the open joint in the flu pipe was dumping exhaust into the place from someone's elbow knocking into it while stocking shelves. Also why do you need to heat hot water? Do you need to chill cold water? It's just a water heater.
Nah. Automatic Teller Machine (ATM) or cash machine same thing. "Hot water heater" is superfluous, but acceptable. A simple mistake when trying to convert thoughts to words.
Every one in the trades is cringing. You can add make air. And she is right. She was relaying on his expertise He got lucky for two years. Co2 and no joke
I seriously doubt the problem with the tank was caused by all the nearby chemicals. I think the insurance company was just trying to come up with an excuse.
I disagree that the defendant couldn't have known not to install it in the same place where another one had been. Several years ago the furnace in a place I was renting broke down and the owner had a new one installed. The furnace guy went down into the basement and said that he couldn't install the new furnace because standards had changed and something in the basement had to be fixed before he could install the new one. Professionals are supposed to be constantly updating their skills and that includes things like this.
Disagree he's not a cosmetologist he doesn't know what SHE had stored in that room its solely bc of her products in the room I don't believe her that the second plumber said no bc he is also being sued by her bc his water heater is also not working
I WOULD DESIGN A DIFFERENT SPOT FOR MY CHEMICALS . SHE NEEDS TO BE SMART TOO AND NOT BLAME SOMEBODY FOR THIS PROBLEM . I MEAN , DUH , MOVE THE CHEMICALS LADY , THEY CANT BE BY THE HOT WATER TANK .
Having any type of chemicals in a small room with a gas hot water heater isn't a good idea. Especially that many chemical products. All hair processing chemicals off gas.
7:08 You should have known better than to place chemicals in a room with no ventilation that's on you , lady. This is funny how everybody else is doing something wrong when its their job, I'm not even in cosmetology and I know that you need ventilation chemicals and hair chemicals Can be extremely strong. 11:09 Hopefully people pay attention and when she calls to hire you to do something you say no For your own good.
Certainly not a good idea to store all of those chemicals in a room with a gas anything, IMO... everyone in that business is lucky to be alive... On the other side of things, a smart, professional plumber would've declined to replace the gas boiler in that small space... ESPECIALLY if he noticed the chemicals...
There was nothing wrong with the installation. No water leaks, no gas leaks. Who knows what may have been done after he did the install to cut down on the air supply. I've seen them installed in areas just a little bigger than the tank themselves. They may have blocked the air supply or the chimney that it vents to could have gotten blocked. You'd be surprised how quickly they can be blocked with birds making nests, dirt, leaves etc. That's the biggest cause of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Some jurisdictions require a permit to replace a water heater, especially gas type. I have heard and seen the horror of them. Some don't get installed correctly and off gases leak into the building causing carbon monoxide poisoning and or explosions. That is one of the reasons the government requires a permit to insure it is installed correctly.
