Amazing Scottish Hydrogen train testing 4K 

The future of this vehicle is up to its owners. I can't see it being scrapped with the investment already put in.

​@BONESS27001 already scrapped

@@pairojeans RIP already 🙏😔

​@@pairojeans it's not scrapped

Thanks.

The unit is now nothing like a Class 314 with the exception of the external body shell. Thanks for your comment Owen.

@@BONESS27001 Surely it's a lot like a 314 because they won't have changed the motors would they?

@@daveedee3626 The traction motors were changed and are now water cooled.Photos at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

@@BONESS27001 Wow. So I guess the only reason they're using old rolling stock is so they don't have to build new rolling stock up to modern standards?

@@daveedee3626 no it’s to save money it’s way cheaper just to use a now retired fleet then have to go build something new

Thanks .

Thanks for your kind comment Richard.

I can't imagine that ever happening. Thanks for commenting JJ.

Thanks for your kind comment Stefano.

This vehicle has a hydrogen fuel cell that charges batteries that power electric traction motors. Thanks for your comments Christopher.

Not that good, already scrapped

Thanks for your comment Andrew.

Why's it a shame? They have done their job.

Thanks.

Thanks for your comments.

The unit will only be tested between Bo'ness and Kinneil for now.

Thanks for your comments Stephen.

@@BONESS27001 welcome as I remember the 314 emu units well though I live in the north east I recall seeing many of them in Strathclyde livery when I used to visit my step sister in old old kilpatrick village as the branch line was visible from her front window

The future of the Ex-class 314 is in the hands of its owners.Thanks for your comments Darren.

I agree. Thanks for your comment.

Some photos at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

Thanks for your comment.

You clearly know nothing about H2 either. Suggest you do some research. You'll soon find out that H2 fuel cells are electric, and that they're a waste of time.

Well part of a 314 alive it’s now the 614.

If you have surplus energy from wind turbines, why not use it to electrolyse water into hydrogen?

I agree.

Overhead electric is still the most efficient option and should be the first choice for main lines, but hydrogen might be an option for lightly-used routes where overhead electrification would be too expensive. The biggest problem with hydrogen is the amount of energy it takes to actually produce the hydrogen.

The Class 303 blue train is part of the SRPS collection and can't be modified.

I dont think you'll get a reply now as the Class 614 project has been scrapped

Everything used in the movement of this unit is underslung.

Guessing not as its currently being tested so won't have seen the mainline yet

Lots of questions that I can't answer, sorry.

@@BONESS27001 ok no problem, thanks for replying.

confidential I would think

I'd think the top speed would be exactly the same as when she was an EMU, a hydrogen fuel cell Train, is still essentially an Electric train, just using hydrogen to generate the electricity to power the motors instead of overhead cables providing it👌🏻

The overhead connections were disconnected. The pantograph was left in place for weight issues / ride heights.

This is only testing. The new traction motors are water cooled. Thanks for your comments.

The speed limits on the line don't really allow for much acceleration.

interesting

Link? I assume it still burns hydrocarbons.

Unfortunately no. This is only a test bed to prove out the technology. Thanks for your comment.

The vehicle is only a test bed for now.

@@BONESS27001 be Intreasting to see though.

You can see the storage tanks below the vehicle. Some photos at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

The Class 314s three coaches were weighed prior to the commencement of any work. The design team made sure that the new kit was the same weight as the removed components. This is one reason the pantograph was left in place. The 614 has been weighed prior to testing and is OK. Thanks for your comments Clive.

weighing video at; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V6mdeeYi7-0.html

Photo updates at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

Me to.Thanks for your comment.

Hydrogen motor to electric turbine generator I guess.

@@huwzebediahthomas9193 Hydrogen fuel cell creating electricity to drive the traction motors.

This train is using the hydrogen in a fuel cell to generate electricity directly. The train has batteries, which are charged by the fuel cell, and which power the traction motors. While hydrogen can be used as an alternative to diesel, this is not that. This technology is also being developed to power big trucks and ships.

@@sadiqmohamed681 Thank you for your explanation.

@@sadiqmohamed681 Yeah, as far as I know, fuel cells cannot generate the peak current/voltage requirements to accelerate a vehicle, however they can continuously charge a battery/capacitor which can be used to provide the power when needed.

No, it isn't. H2 isn't a fuel; it is an energy carrier. If we wanted to convert the UKs gas central heating to H2, we'd need 120+GW of wind power - that's something like 5x what we (world leaders in wind power) have today. H2 is expensive, made from 95% fossil fuels via steam methane reformation, is a pain in the backside to manage - for heating you'd need to replace almost all the gas network as H2 brittles steel and escapes very easily, and in vehicles you need huge tanks under very high pressure. That's why a Toyota Mirai H2 car weighs more and doesn't go as far as a Tesla Model 3. People who think H2 is the answer usually have no idea about the real world implications. H2 from renewables has a bright future as a feedstock for fertiliser, in steel production and a few other niche applications, but for heating and transport - forget it. It ain't happening.

For vehicles, I think fully synthetic fuel Carbon neutral/free fuels would be the best solution over both Hydrogen and Electricity, simply swap the fuel you run petrol and diesel engines on to make them environmentally friendly, it's far better for the environment than scrapping tons of perfectly serviceable vehicles and for the already crippled national grid too👌🏻 EV's might not emit any CO2 when operating, but producing them is a much worse for the environment than a traditional vehicle is in it's entire Lifetime, to just build an average Electric car creates about 80% more Carbon emissions than a Regular fossil fueled car would produce in the whole of it's lifetime from being built, to being scrapped at the end of it's useful life. Using a plant based engine oil and fully synthetic Carbon neutral/free fuels or Carbon neutral fuels made from waste products, would allow every vehicle on the road now to become environmentally friendly, and stay on the road, which would essentially result in saving a lot of waste. I'm not against electric vehicles, I just think the solutions I mentioned above would be much better, certainly for road transport anyway. As for heating, I also think running gas boilers on Hydrogen, or even a carbon neutral waste product such as BioMethane, would be far better than Heat pumps which aren't suited to all homes 👍🏻

really what we should do is convert the diesel trains to Hydrogen or electrify more lines and use electric trains in place of the diesels, hopefully this happens

@@xander1052 Another option for diesel Trains, is to run them on a carbon neutral fuel, made from waste products, for example, Bio-Methane, Biodiesel made from cooking oil or Biodiesel made from CO2 extracted from the atmosphere, or even a carbon free fully synthetic diesel, that way Diesel trains can still run, but be as environmentally friendly as the Electric and Hydrogen trains 👌🏻

Thank you.

Thanks very much for your comments Johny.

Burning natural gas, as is the case with 95% of H2.

Im sorry, I can't comment on that as I'm not involved in that side.

This is a hydrogen fuel cell charging batteries.

This is a hydrogen fuel cell charging batteries.

Thanks for your comments but I don't do politics.

I agree, not much noise of this with the exception of the cooling fans.

@@BONESS27001 If VFD equipped much quieter. We have same concept train FV-E991 that developed by JR East + Hitachi + Toyota. In future class 800's GU maybe replaced by fuel cell.

@@gpurunner3407 Some photos at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

Correct.It was a modified 314. Thanks for commenting.

This portion of track doesn't seem to be electrified.

@@jeffkardosjr.3825 so why use an electric train

The project required a train test bed. This vehicle was going for scrap and was donated by its owners to the project. A bit of 'train upcycling/ recycling'.

I agree, but it didn't last very long. Thanks for your comment Richard.

Its a test train thats limited to 10mph for now.

The 40 year old rolling stock was used to keep the carbon footprint as low as possible.

@@BONESS27001 It can’t have too many years left with 40 years on the clock.

It’s a test unit so it doesn’t need a lot of years left. It’s never going into service again.

I don't think it's powered by a hydrogen fuelled turbine, I think it generates electricity from hydrogen by some process of Science

@@AndreiTupolev Yes combustion in a chamber - it’s nothing other than a converted diesel engine honestly !

@@AndreiTupolev We really haven’t found another easy and as effective method of electric generation than turning a turbine to drive a dynamo. Even nuclear just heats water to turn turbines that generate the power.

Agreed. But this can be done now.

@@Beaver680 Hydrogen as a combustible fuel within a internal combustion chamber is as old as the Diesel engine itself. The issues with hydrogen are safe storage and stability. Suffice to say it’s explosive! and fundamentally that why it isn’t deployed widely Production of pure hydrogen on an industrial scale requires a massive amount of energy input itself further limiting its usefulness other than a bi-product of nuclear in the main. The intense pressurised heat fills water produced can be processed relatively easily and consistently compared to traditional steam power generators such as gas oil or coal😉

Thanks for your comments Alan.

Nothing like a bit of applied ignorance to get the day going. We most commonly encounter hydrogen as part of water molecules along with oxygen. And when we use hydrogen, the exhaust is mostly water. Ta-da! As for electrical capacity for EVs, have you never heard of power stations and power generation, the building/making of such? Up to 130 years ago, there was zero electrical capacity anywhere for anything. What do you think happened twixt then and now? Magic? And we now have many ways of generating electricity - the weather dependent ones are also well on the way to being connected to efficient storage systems. Bloody good impression of King Ludd, but otherwise a waste of electrons. Go back to sleep and don’t be annoying intelligent people.

Large parts of Europe (including the UK) and Asia already have quite a lot of route mileage of electrified rail that already works (and has been working for quite a long time in some cases). As to hydrogen -- electrolyzing water to make it (assuming that's what they did -- admittedly not a safe assumption) and then reacting it in a fuel cell to make electricity doesn't have the greatest efficiency(*), but it might be a reasonable method of extending operating range beyond electrification range if the installation of electrification infrastructure is delayed. (*)Some types of batteries are currently more efficient in the charge/discharge cycle, but the hydrogen storage energy density is greater, thus potentially giving more range. Also, we may still be a way off from hitting the limit of efficiency of electrolysis and fuel cell operation, so it's worth experimenting with further even though it isn't ready for a full commitment.

@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio And if you live somewhere near a railway station, I guess trains would be quite useful. This is not the case in East Lancashire, so they might as well be airships. What railways there were in this area closed down 60 years ago, and they are not coming back anytime soon. Trains are ridiculously expensive, unpleasant and inconvenient (unless you want to compare armpit smells with the other passengers in your carriage) full of morons shouting into their mobile phones, even in the quiet carriages. Please see the film "Planet of the Humans" if you want to know why all this green rubbish is just a scam for billionaires, who have bought off all the "environmental" groups in the US, and who think burning trees is a renewable energy source. An idea sponsored by- people who own forests. What a surprise.

@@alanpartington2540 That is the fault of those who closed railways, not of the railways. Trains being ridiculously expensive is the fault of skewed economics (support for highways and air travel over trains) that cause them to be underfunded, so that economies of scale no longer develop (they used to be made with economies of scale, so this is not merely theoretical) -- a real scam by billionaires to keep people buying cars and oil. Not all green plans are a scam by billionaires, but billionaires do scamify whatever green groups they get their tentacles into (and then try to discredit those that they can't). And I never said anything about burning trees for energy. By the laws of physics, solar and wind energy with proper energy storage and distribution will work. Would you rather have us keep burning coal and oil and making nuclear waste?

Thanks for your comments Alan.

Adelle, Hydrogen fuel cell. Some photos at: realrail.smugmug.com/Trains/Boness-Hydrogen-Skunk-Works/

All traction ideas need to be tested and proved out. Hydrogen propulsion might come to nothing but as engineers we need to prove out these ideas. Thanks for your comment Steven.