As much as everyone hated Fiona, and despite all her flaws, Fiona was a highly skilled, intelligent and even progressive woman for her time. She fixed the relationship between the Voudon and the Witches, even if it was just for her own gain, and bridged the gap between them temporarily- something that hadn't been truly accomplished even during her predecessor's time. Her cunning let her bring an end to the war between the Witches and the Witch-Hunters, also something that previous Supremes had been unsuccessful in doing. Furthering that, she treated pretty much everyone equally, regardless of their backgrounds, origins and such. Everyone was her enemy, everyone was a tool or a pawn to be screwed over in her attempt to attain immortality and break the Supremacy.
@@gracegreen1859 “Some scholars use the spellings Vodoun or Vodun, while in French the spellings vaudou or vaudoux also appear. The spelling Voodoo, once common, is now generally avoided by practitioners and scholars when referring to the Haitian religion.” Do the research. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou
I have to comment.. agree. She’s my favorite jessica charcter because she’s written as vapid but super complex & keeps everyone guessing on what she’ll do next. A true anti hero
I dunno I took what she said to Cordelia as pushing her away to protect her from getting hurt . As she says later she loved her daughter in her own way . I have always wondered if deep down a part of Fiona knew her daughter was the next supreme but she buried those feelings not wanting to hurt her daughter and hoping that it was one of the girls who was taking over . But by keeping Cordelia away from the fighting she ensured Cordelia would be there to take over just in case it wasn’t one of the other girls . Just my thoughts 🤷♀️
this is definitely my favorite magic in the entire season probably since its done intricately and on a grand scale (same with Laveau's conjuring of the dead)
It's called sympathetic magick. The most ancient form of magick there is. By performing the desired goal on a small scale, a witch brings upon changes on larger scales. Like attracts like, that's how it works in short.
FUN FACT: This is an actual prayer in Wiccan faith, the words at least. Those who pray to the goddess Hecate greet her the same way Fiona does: "Come to me, Hekate, Mother of Angels and Cosmic World Soul."
Most of the incantations/symbols/deities represented in this season are portrayed accurately, though some like papa legba are a actually combination of multiple entities with similar/overlapping areas of expertise (papa legba is neutral, not evil, his personality in the show (drug use, cruelty, crassness) aligns much more with Baron Samedi (who IS more on the “evil” side of things, though it’s not his decision when people die or live, only how to deal with them once they are dead, so it’s understandable why they made this bridge)
They made the company to lose millions of dollars so that they would be forced to negotiate peace with the witches, inevitably falling into Fiona’s trap and allowing her to get rid of them.
In a nutshell, yes. A finer detail would be to warp and manipulate the very fabric of reality itself. The intent in that spell work must've been intense!
What’s so good about Jessica Lange as Fiona Goode is she’s portraying woman who’s dying of cancer and has smoked for years. Her voice gives this character so much more flare and appeal. Fiona voice when she’s speaking calmly and low is very dark in color and husky like a smoker it adds to the character a lot.
I hated Fiona with all my heart until she died. Jessica Lange's performance was so fucking amazing that when I saw an interview of her I still felt a little angry at her. Truly an amazing actress
For a long time that wasn't true, but as the stakes got raised (the girls, her own eyesight, learning about hank, myrtle) Cordelia began to truly rebel against remaining in fiona's shadow. I feel that (and maybe this spell, combined with Cordelia having the vision of Fiona killing everyone) were what really broke the dam on the transfer of power
1:47 I hate the way Fiona treated Cordelia. That's just how my mother treated me. That's one of the reasons I really didn't care for Fiona. I felt so bad for Cordelia. But it felt so great to see Cordelia step into power. She's seriously the one true Supreme!
For all that this was an excellent tactic to go for (by being exposed through hank, their strongest weapon of anonymity was gone) it was still disappointing to see that the witch hunters were barely a threat at all after this. I get being surprised by the axeman, but no talismans? No anti witch tactics or contingency plans? No younger members on the hunt or factions? Though it is true that witch's were very much in the minority or in hiding, so I suppose it kinda makes sense
The issue is the show was written and shot in real time. They were still making the season while it was being aired, and thus the changes made did not reflect the already shot/aired episodes, particularly those referencing a war.
i think it mostly requires a huge amount of magical energy to successfully cast this spell which from what we can see here only the supreme witch is capable
I’ve always hated how they made Marie look irrational and almost thoughtless in planning, and how they made Fiona look very wise and meticulous when it came to approaching every situation!!! This is my favorite season but this has been a theme throughout the season between the black and white witches
I didn't really see that as a race thing though. I feel like Marie's slight thoughtlessness in planning came from centuries of being one of the most powerful witches around. When you get the point where you are so powerful that nothing stops you, you start to not care so much about being meticulous. Plus, with her power comes immortality. When you can't die, you don't have to plan nearly as much because very little can stop you. Fiona, on the other hand is not only mortal, but her time is running out. She plans things very meticulously to ensure that she will remain the Supreme and remain in power. So I think the duality of the two was well thought out based on the entirety of their character arcs.
Epodmusic17 .... I definitely see where you’re coming from and it’s very valid. Only because of how meticulous her plan was in eliminating the witches and how patient she was with Hank having been in that house for 6 years it showed me that she wasn’t gung-ho about just waltzing into every situation without care. When she attacked them on Halloween night she used the zombies to do it just like the money spell Fiona used to take out Delphi from where they were. So it bugged me that when the two of them are finally put together we see Fiona wanting to plan it out and all of a sudden Marie forgets how to strategize???? Plus the biggest thing they did in this season was take on race so even though they wanted to show how alike they were, they also made sure to stress how different these women were in thought and action based upon life experience.
I know, right? White people wrote this, so no surprise that there were many flaws considering they're writing abt racism and that they're portraying black people through a white person's lens. They made black witches look weak in comparison to white witches. Even with summoning Papa Legba, supposedly something that only a black witch would/should be able to do, Fiona did it too. They wanted to write abt racism, so what was the massage they were trying to spread? That whites are superior? This is actually one of my least favorite seasons. Very messy and with inconsistent writing. Marie is over a hundred years old. She should have been wiser than Fiona and Cordelia or at least not have dumb moments.
@@Epodmusic17 Oh, it is definetly a race thing, even if subconciously. White writers favoring their white characters. What you wrote just doesn't make sense to me. If Fiona is running out of time and getting sicker by the minute, shouldn't she NOT be thinking straight? She should be wanting to get things over with quickly, before her time runs out. She should be emotional, tired and impatient. And considering their different styles of magic, Fiona's being more direct and Marie's usually being performed at the comfort of her home, why isn't Marie the one doing this spell? Not that white witches can't do spells at a long distance or that they only use those same 7 wonder powers that we've already seen, but come on, with everything that they've showed us up until this point, it would only be appropriate for Marie to be the level-headed one doing the long-distance spell. After all, isn't Voodoo supposed to be about the access of supernatural forces to improve their daily lives and to attain power or success in areas of life including money, love and revenge...? A strong spell that crashes an entire multi-billion dollar company is something that the most powerful Voodoo queen should be able to do. Makes perfect sense. People look for her for these kinds of wishes. Not to mention that with Fiona doing this, Marie didn't help one bit with taking down the witch hunters. She just served as good company to Fiona. What is the point of having Fiona do this if not to empower even more the white witch in charge even if it overshadows and weakens the black witch? They obviously prioritized the protagonism of the white characters, which wouldn't necessarily be a problem if this season wasn't also about racism. They've been doing it since the beginning, too. For example, when they were all at LaLaurie's House of Horrors, they decided to show the white girls' reactions when hearing about the atrocities that happened there and the focus was on them, not so much on Queenie who was the only black girl there. This was a missed opportunity. A white person's emotional reaction to racism will never be the same or as intense as a black person's reaction. But they wanted to, idk, show that the white girls aren't racist and make them sympathetic? Scenes like those should have been about the black characters.
Luisa .... you hit it on the head. In such situations they try to humanize white people that do the most heinous things in media and television shows, but dehumanize black people.. it’s an ongoing theme in real life.
As much as I feel bad for Cordelia I think Fiona did that to get her away from the risk. Im not agreeing but especially looking at that blue eye she wants her out of a high risk situation. And anything else, Cordelia was very much a leader to not back down unless that happened. I think Cordelia normally acts like this as her personality but remembering she went to the Voodoo Queen out of need and begged will tell you the lengths she goes to protect despite her unhinged nature. In this case... as bad as it looks... she wanted to push her daughter away so an to keep her safe. Very backwards but I have seen it
The only thing I didn't like is how weak the "Witch Hunters" were.... overall you would think that they had some kinda protection from magical assualt and could have put up much better fight.
If that had been me, I would’ve Said this “ worthless, hopeless; well I truly am my mother’s daughter now aren’t I.” On my way out of the room I would’ve further said “let me know when the drunk old crown has checked out so I can deal with a real supreme”
Fiona was a badass but my god was she horrible sometimes and a terrible mother. And then she's surprised that Cordelia messed up with Hank, of course she did, it's all the issues Fiona gave her.
Comminuet, infirmabitur, submergetur. Praecipita, strangulare, percusserite in corde suo proposito.... "It will be crushed, weakened, drowned. Rush, strangle, strike at his heart's purpose"
Curious about the spell . I'm guessing the rats are the feds but why did she get weak when the mouse hit the trap? Better yet why put a trap in the spell??
Its representation magic... the rats are the witch hunters and the traps are they decline, the loose of their money and power. And she get tired because the spell was too strong for her, she was dying and getting powerless, a new supreme was surging...
I like the goddess Hecate and like that she was referenced in this episode, but I am annoyed that everyone always pronounces her name differently in various media, so I have no idea how it's supposed to be pronounced.
After all this time, I believe this is when she knew Cordelia was the next supreme. Remember when she killed Madison, and she came back and claimed she was the supreme. Fiona killed Annalee to ascend the throne, because she didn’t like her ways. She basically left Cordelia and let Myrtle “raise” her. They all knew Myrtle was the next supreme. Cordelia’s powers had already started growing then, Fiona was praying it was ANYBODY but Cordelia. Cordelia was going to undue EVERY foul thing Fiona did during her reign. That is why Myrtle chose to be burned at the stake, so Cordelia and the coven would have a clean slate for the new witches in the new generations. Cordelia performed that blind spell right after this, FLAWLESSLY. Fiona knew that styrofoam stuffing Thanksgiving comment was not only true and funny. But summed up all of the hate and anger Cordelia had for Fiona.
How did they know Myrtle is the next supreme? I always thought supremacy is an inherent thing. Either you are or you are not? Fiona killing Anna Leigh would not pass the supremacy to her if she was not the supreme. The moment Anna Leigh dies, the supremacy will go directly to the heir. If it is really Myrtle, the supremacy should have gone to her . Or maybe I am missing something.
She didn’t have to say all that but it’s likely she was probably eight - Cordelia was too involved, that alone could have compromised the entire spell. Let the Supreme do what she do.
The mouse is used as a conduit to those they wish to harm. Hecate is pretty much THE main goddess of witchcraft/spells. She drew upon the power of Hecate to make the broad connection to her enemies over a distance. While some might think the maze acts as the building (which it sort of does), it also stands for the larger, broader enemy that is the corporation, rather than the individual. When the mouse becomes caught in the trap, it signifies success of the spell, but at a cost that is hefty for a fading "Supreme". Of course, it's a plot device that this would happen instantaneously. Fiona doesn't have the power to play with time like that other one did later on. She couldn't exactly conjure up a mass of lawyers/FBI at the doorstep with a lawsuit right away, but TV allows it and the scene requires it.
Jose Valencia it was a powerful spell. she brought down a billion dollar Corporation plus the new supreme was rising into power making her lose her power and die of cancer .
It’s because the spell is very powerful. WhenCordelia went to Marie to do the spell to impregnate her, she would’ve fallen to asleep for 4 days if she performed the spell
I feel compelled to bring out a point with this scene. When Fiona is stricken at the end of it, this not only illustrates her "fading" as a Supreme, but it's a cost to her for another reason as well. Her spell, while seemingly done for "protection", is very destructive to everyone involved in the Witch Hunter corporation. And what most watchers seem to fail to realize is: All of our witchy protagonists here, are NOT the good guys. While the witch hunters are shown as a greedy, power-hungry corporation (and mostly of men - they work this "men are bad" thing into a lot of TV), the witch hunters ARE the good guys. Fiona is karmically slammed by doing a lot of harm to a lot of human people. But let's face it, she's completely morally bereft. You can admire her power & the shade she throws, but she's as evil as it gets. While the viewers are enchanted into caring about the cast of characters in this show, all of these witches are evil. It doesn't matter that these women are portrayed to be fighting with morality or even though they use the surname "Goode" (borrowed from the original Sarah Goode of Salem), they are un-natural, evil creatures. And it's shown throughout the show as they kill, and bring suffering to all around them. They are so drawn into their own personal power trips that much of the show is spent killing (and resurrecting) each other. Nothing they do comes from a place of nature. The "good" witches like Misty, Cordelia & eventually Mallory also use unnatural power to change the world around them to their will. Even "innocent" Nan becomes increasingly corrupt and evil as the show moves on. This "school for witches" only makes these women MORE self-centered and focused on who gets to sit on the witchy Iron Throne. And when dead, they are all put in Hell. Even Nan's spirit runs off with an archdemon in a hell dimension in preference to hanging around. "Anywhere is better than here." So they bring in the Delphine character and portray HER as the ultimate in human evil. It's not good enough for Delphine to simply be a woman of stature that treats slaves badly, she has to actively be as sadistic as possible in every way, including the horrific treatment of her own daughters. Delphine is there to make the viewer think the witches aren't as bad as HER and not see how bad our main characters are. The same thing is done to a less obvious extent in politics, btw. The Witch Hunters may be a greedy, power-hungry corporation, but the hidden message is that they are humans, truly there to do good by eliminating these evil, un-natural witches that plague the world. Seriously, what ounce of good do these witches ever do for humanity? And on a side note, why would a billion-dollar witch hunter corporation not do MORE to eliminate the Robichaux Academy with giant black helicopters or other weapons money brings to the table? Why send in the CEO's ONLY son smack dab in the middle of a witch nest when there are definitely smarter plans?
The Witches are not entirely evil and they even save the world from total annihilation by killing the Antichrist even though they’ve been persecuted for centuries by witch hunters and other human.
