Analysis: Villains in the FGC and eSports 

Just because you're a "bad guy", Doesn't mean you are a "bad" guy.

he forgot to mention, after that rap video, leffen beat chillin 5-0. and chillin's response: "my b"

The fun trashtalk is when both of them know there not being serious but everyone else thinks they are.

Good villain: Filipino Champ Clown: LTG

"My B" -Chillindude829 RIP we never saw him again

low tier god would be considered a clown. right?

The first 'villain' I met during my time with the FGC was with FChamp in '09. It was back in the days of Vanilla SFIV and I was a new and upcoming player that was invited to a local. I lived in Sacramento, CA at the time, and people were talking about other people from other areas of Nor-Cal coming to this local as well. It was then I heard a name drop. "Man, FChamp and a few others from the Bay are also coming over." As a new player, not knowing who 'FChamp' was, I looked him up real quick. From all what I could tell, he was a trash talker, which at the time threw me into a loop. I'm not used to actually seeing someone like this. So, when the time came, and the local started, seeing him person made me nervous. I don't know how to react if I get trash talked to. I know I'm new, so any trash talk about me would make me quit this game. Even through the nervousness though, I shuffled my way to him and asked him if he was willing to play a casual game. He laughed, and said yes. I personally was happy, even after getting rekted by his Boxer. After that casual, he talked to me on how to get better since he could also tell that I was new to the FGC, and that made me want to start playing more and more. To this day, I would like to support FChamp because I personally know that he plays the 'villain' so people will get invested into the FGC more. Not all villains are inherently evil. You just need to understand them better. ~Saka

"You can do this by beating women" startled me unexpectedly lol.

"If you keep trash talking, but don't ever win, you become what's known as a clown." Missed an opportunity to show a picture of LTG here.

"You can also do this by beating women". I kind of lost it 😂

So basically a villain in the FGC is the equivalent to a wrestling heel?

"you can become a villain without trashtalking and JUST winning a lot" i smell hbox

Fun Fact: Wile E. Coyote actually *did* eventually catch the Road Runner. But he ended up letting him go.

P.S. Leffen, I ain't done yet.

i was thinking about leffen the entire time lmao

The title of "villain" is very subjective and depends on the values of the community. A great example is hungrybox. In melee, he is seen as the worst of the worst and the reason why the scene is dying because he plays jigglypuff. The community has grown to expect melee to be fast and reaction heavy and the current highest profile player playing a slow character will not fly. In ultimate, the community is much younger and not as well defined. Because of the massive roster, players are generally more open to different playstyles. In that scene, hungrybox is seen as the old timer that just likes to have fun, and is even respected for playing jigglypuff.

Low Tier Fraud. Nuff said

"You are bad guy, but that does not you bad guy" -Zangief

I'm glad you made that exception at the end there. It's important to make the distinction between the (cartoon) 'villains' and the actual scumbags.

I love villains as they bring the thing we all need but never want to be: A bad guy (not a bad person but more like a character you make up). They bring something that makes the community passionate even if before they weren't at all. They are your spices to your already good food and make it better, without it then it could be pretty bland.

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There's this one guy that kept insulting me for maining Shadow Dio in Jojo: HFTF, and every time he saw me in the same discord channel, he berated me without stopping. The worst part? He didn't even play the game anymore.

Lawful Good (Heroes, Legends, never trash talked or at least few times, always focus on the game and produce legendary moments): *Daigo, Mew2king* Neutral Good (Heroes and trash talk): *Viscant, Mango* Chaotic Good (Heroes but gets beat by villains): *Chillindude* Lawful Neutral (Got mixed receptions from the crowd but close to heroes): *KBrad, Chris G, Smug* True Neutral: (Mixed reception from the crowd): *most of the people who are part of FGC* Chaotic Neutral: (lower class evils, basically neutrals who are close to become evil): *Gllty* Lawful Evil: (The best and main villains: Feared and respected villains) *FChamp* Neutral Evil: (Two types: Those who are Feared and Hated, but actually win a LOT or non popular lawful evils): *Punk, Leffen, NuckleDu* Chaotic Evil: (Hated with a passion: people can't stand them and get pissed just by seeing their names in a tournament or winning) *Low Tier God, Wolfkrone, DSP* you can complete who fit these categories.

"You can also become a villain by beating women" right after showing infiltration

Leffen, the DIO of smash

Joker is not a clown. He won TDK, Batman and Gordon were just butthurt and decided to cheat.

Wow I haven't seen a single "smash isn't a real fighting game yet" for a video about villains, this is one of the least toxic comments sections I've ever seen on an fax video

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I was considered a villian in my small smash community in town because of my uncanny skill to lose a ton once my friends learned how to beat me with a character, and then switch to a diffrent character and body them with diffrent fighting tactics. They all said that I only ever fought them with my mini mains and that I hadn't pulled out my real main yet.

Villian stories? My entire experience with Smash 4 For Glory.

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Watching this video after Leffen went a total heel-face turn and is now one of the most proactive and supportive (although in his own very leffen and vocal way) supporters of the community is amazing. I liked him as a villain, he's my favorite player to watch, but his new anti-hero wildcard persona is even more awesome

I became a villain during my school's Smash Ultimate tournaments. I mained Little Mac, and the moment the announcer said GO I would rush and start having Mac swing for the fences like I was trying to punch a hole through my opponent. The funny part was the "villainous" part of my persona was how terrifying and serious I got when I started playing. Normally during school, I'd have a smile on my face and joke around with people. Put me in a competitive scenario like the smash tournament, I go dead silent, lurch forward to better focus on the screen and have a blank look on my face. Like a switch just flipped in my head and I knew it was go time. I was less like an overtly evil villain, I was more like a monster from a horror movie because I went for the quick kill after the round begins. I got two full stock wins, and by the time I graduated I told the students of the middle and school population (we were a k-12 so the grades intermingled) to keep the smash legacy going.

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"Oh - You're a very bad man!" "Oh, no my dear. I'm a very good man. I'm just a very bad wizard"

LMAO DID HE SERIOUSLY PUT THE LEFFEN DISS TRACK IN THIS

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Marn is the FGC's biggest villain, both in infamy and mass.

Awesome vid brothah!! I will never forget that fight night with Crack and Tommy... Hypeness at its finest.

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I believe the word you're looking for is "heel". Wrestling fans will know.

“Are they bad people in real life?” *shows picture of infiltration*

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I’ve got a villain story. This one was at smash 4 tournament that was organized at my school. It was pretty impromptu, i kinda signed up and went during my lunch period. So I get there and the guy who was setting the tournament set up a bracket for everyone and people began to play. The first feud came when people were picking controllers. As some of these people were here for fun, they didn’t have a controller. I didn’t bring one because I didn’t even know there was a tourney today, so nobody had their own controllers. The organizer brought a whole bunch of of them but he wasn’t willing to share some of them, namely the GameCube controllers. He had 2 but didn’t want us playing with them. I got stuck with game pad. That’s not so bad, but considering the option was there I would preferred it. So I move up in the ranks. I was probably the best player there. Not because I’m some smash god, I’ve just had more experience. Most of these people were just picking up smash. So I make it to the finals and I’m playing toon link against a link. And this is where the organizer really began antagonizing. He kept yelling into my ear “you suck. You’re trash.” Which really got to my head. He said I was “Not playing his main correctly.” (I was playing dedede before) I ended up losing. I gg’d and left shortly after talking with a few of the other people who didn’t understand the game’s mechanics. The organizer then went on to beat the champion, and win in an 8 play smash. Needless to say I was angry. I was glad I kept my cool though. At least the other people were cool, and complimenting me rather than saying I sucked.

Yo do a story on Leffen. I know he had a spotlight in the vid, but him and Melee are a fucking goldmine of glory.

Kinda sucks that the tekken tournament dosent have any trash talking aside from pokchop.

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Marn will forever be my favorite villain. The fact that he used Dudley when i was at my own peak, made it all the sweeter when he'd body people. A villainous gentleman. Then Smug came along and my life... was complete.

I'm surprised he didn't at all mention the entire concept of a heel used in wrestling.

In my city there's a place called Game Room, where gamers meet to either play board games, socialize and- of course- play games. They have many pcs, ps4s, xboxes etc set up aswell as a nintendo switch lounge and some other stuff to play around with. 2 years ago, a friend of mine managed to get a surprising amount of people to play warsow, an arena shooter similar to quake 3 thats free2play and runs on every single potato pc. So we started to have some competitions and on our best days we got 26 people to have duels against each other until one player stands as a winner. About a year into that whole warsow scene we started, a 17 y old unknown dude came along and seemed pretty interested. We gave him te game on a usb stick and he started to practice warsow religiously. Soon he started to get onto really high rankings, like at least 4th place on every competition. Many younger players looked up to him, many started to play BECAUSE of him, and he was just a great player overall. The thing was, he was a pretty evil, though hyped up villain. He talked LOTS of trash, but always against players he knew he would beat. He was still being celebrated by many other players, until THAT day. There was a competition where he only got 2nd place, and he seemingly got very angry. He said things he shouldnt've said and challenged the actual winner to a revenge-match. Noone seemed to care he used such offensive speech and the event got hyped up even more, to the point where there would be about 35 people coming to the game room, the day of the duel. At first he had a great run, but he still lost because he couldnt keep his temper down. He got even angrier than before, tried to physically attack and harm the way more obese and obviously physically weaker winner of the duel until me and other people stopped him. He started saying things noone should ever say to anyone and their parents, he got banned from the shop, never came back, never returned some games he borrowed from people he knew at the game room and just left an overall weird atmosphere. After that day, noone seemed to care about the game anymore, the dry aftertaste of his loss made everyone stop playing warsow and the story of our first and only ever "competitive" scene we had in my city died out. A real villain he was, but not one every great story needs. So kids, always play fair and never be a bad loser and a funkiller. You'll just make a huge fool out of yourself and probably lose friends along the way.

This was well done. Also you used the best Bison theme, so good job.

I think an interesting and related topic is how villains can become heros and heroes villains. For example, early on in his career, the Melee player Mango was actually seen as something of a villain, especially on the East Coast, due to being nearly as cocky as Leffen and winning everything for over a year. But now, he's the biggest face in the community by a landslide. I guess this raised the aspect of charisma; some have the kind that makes you love them no matter what (Mango), the kind that makes you love to hate them (Leffen) and those that just kind of lack it altogether (Hungrybox).

Villains can make it really fun when they happen I do have to admit. Even if there's no flat out villains (And it could be argued that it's sort exaggerated for fun most of the time), a bit of salt and beef is whats given this scene its flavor compared to other competitive gaming scenes. If it gets too sterile it just feels like there's something missing. I do have some beef though, with calling people who win too much "villains" just because they win all the time and become the guy to beat, regardless of whether they're a really nice guy or not. But I know that's a distinct (and relatively common) frustration people eventually get with someone who just becomes too predictable in their winnings, and I guess I can't really think of another word for it; but it still always seemed a bit angry mob of scrubs to me to think of someone as a villain just because people can't beat them. But damn, Naniwa. I didn't really watch Starcraft 2 so I had no idea something that dramatic had been going on there (And to a player as experienced as Nestea even I've heard of him.). Kind of makes me wish I had been watching the game around that time to have experienced that.

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another way to be a villain in my opinion is to play in a way that makes people think you're playing the game wrong, but win anyway. an example of this would be hungrybox, playing a "lame" slow character (specifically jigglypuff) in a game considered by its audience to be the epitome of hype and fast pace. except there is the fact that he was too successful for his own good, ending up unironically hated outside of the game by many, as far as I can tell.

I know this is an old video, but the Filipino Champ vs KaneBlueRiver rivalry in MVC3 was something to put in the spotlight. Was like an anime arc. FC humiliating KBR, and the next day KBR slapping FC ass, with the whole crowd cheering on his back. One of the funniest arcs in the FGC history IMO.

Great video as always!

Great editing. Informative. Subbed

My friend Ronilo (whom you've actually used footage from) had a sort of rival whom he beat in a tournament and it was some kind of big deal. But then later, the same guy challenged him in a match outside of a tournament, but under a different name. Ronilo had a day and just wanted to play a round to unwind, wasn't really taking the match seriously, and lost. No big deal... until the guy advertised the recorded match as like some kind of big rematch. I'm not sure if he used some kind of trick to make his name appear different either to Ronilo or in the recording, but it was a really cowardly way of getting a rematch that wasn't even supposed to be a rematch.

Man, I remember when I was into SC2, the best part was seeing Idra rage.

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"no one in the real world is as 2 dimensionally evil as this guy" Remaining Koch brother: * exists *

reminds me of wrestling. BTW Sherlock clip was genius.

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great production value, subscribed.

All I gotta say is that none of these guys have had a crab thrown at them

I became a villain at a local for smash ultimate, a good chunk of people were tier whores who got mad at me beating ikes, lucina's and palutena using only pit. I lost to a hardcore zelda main and it was hype and fun. I'll gladly play a villain if I fight someone like that

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Awesome video Core-A-gaming! Will you ever make a video talking about what makes or break a fighting game getting into the competitive scene? I'd love to see your views on it

4:50 "you can also do this by beating women" HAHAHA THE NOEL BROWN BLOWUP ULL

Awesome video! Thank you for sharing!

4:58 just watched "I, Tonya". didn't notice/understand this reference until rewatching this video now

That was a sudden ass transition “...you can also do it by beating women...”

Chillin is the hero we need in more esports communities

Great video, it even has lots of ideas for character building for an rpg or something lile that.

Your videos are awesome man.

DSP is a clown, because he trash talks and acts like he's still good at fighting games when all he does is blame lag

I remember one time i was hanging out with leffen before one of his tournaments. (which he won by the way) we were outside of the venue walking around and someone ran up to him and was like "oh my god are you leffen? Im such a huge fan!!" And leffen just straight up kicked him, like, in the stomach. And then he spit on him.

awesome analysis my friend.

This is very good analysis video. There's nothing much I could say other than on how good this is.

Clown: LOW TIER GOD

Worst villain ever. That big brother who beats you in a game.

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Great vid man

me and my cousin play street fighter 3 whenever we hang out. he's by far one of the best shit talkers i've known my whole life. i love his shit talking so much that if i had an opportunity to win a match i would purposely lose just to see what he has to say lol

Something I like about the FGC is how they often will refer to top-tier players as "gods." It's cute.

Interesting vid. Great job!

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at 4:16 idk why but i can't tell if that is a movie or a game

Can you please post evidence.zip in the description? Either way, I feel like Chris G. is more of a villain than Filipino Champ in Marvel, & Elena users like Justin Wong & GamerBee (when either of them use Elena) are kind of the villains of USFIV in my eyes. I'm curious to see what will constitute for a Street Fighter V villain when the game comes out. And to answer your question, Doctor Doom was the first villain to come to mind.

Can I say Gobu at Red Bull Kumite? Gobu-Lewis? Maaaaaan, when he came up n out with his Goldlewis during the finals I SWEAR, every move he made, everything he did felt illegal XD And he was REVELLING IN IT! He made such incredible faces pre-match and when he was playing, and the _glare_ he gave when he lost one was just, astounding in the midst of it all, proceeding to end the night with the greatest phrase in the context, (in Japanese, lol): "This. Is. *BEHEMOTH.* " B) I was initially there just to hear the announcement for the newest Guilty Gear Strive character at the time, (Happy Chaos!! I love him!), but after all that, I'm damn well inclined to watch even more live ones, it was amazing :D

Really good video, some people needed shit like this cleared up

Remember when Hakan is oiled up he’s one of the best characters in the game