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Apostasy Trial - Undercover spycam part 1 

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As many of you that visit this channel know, the Jehovah's Witness religion does not allow people to have freedom of thought and belief. If a person changes their viewpoint and questions the JW hierarchy and leadership then they will be sanctioned. If a member adopts an "unacceptable" opinion or conviction and dares to speak of it, then the local religious leaders (called Elders) will come after them, using an iron fist in a velvet glove to bring them back in line. If that fails, then they will cut the person off and ostracize them before everyone, announcing them from a public pulpit as a satanic person, not fit for anyone in their club to associate with ever again.
And so now, for only the second time in the history of the Internet, we have a front row seat (and a live video recording) of another "Apostasy Trial" put on by the Jehovah's Witness religion. This two-hour meeting revolves around a man raised in the JW religion. His so-called sin is speaking out about the flaws and contradictions he has discovered through studious research into the religion of his birth. He is summoned to stand before a puritanical committee of three JW clergymen, without representation and without friends or witnesses to speak up in his behalf.
The Watchtower Corporation that controls this pseudo-religion does not want a stenographer, nor a camera, nor any other witnesses to this kangaroo court proceeding. They want no public record of what goes on. These three men act as judge, jury, and executioner and hold his "everlasting life" in their hands. If found guilty, then he will be spiritually executed and stoned for his "disobedient, rebellious acts" against the Watchtower organization's strict dogma.
But the silver lining is that nearly 100,000 people each year fade away or are kicked out of the controlling religion. Ironically, this grants them opportunity to pursue freedom and clarity of thought. Isaac is now yet another person that has been freed from the religious bondage to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York!
This video is part 1 of a multi-part series covering just one of the thousands of these secret star chamber trials conducted by JW elders each year. We leave it to posterity and to each viewer to decide if these trials are appropriate and just.

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@aww4954
@aww4954 3 года назад
I am so glad you exposed this religious blasphemous cult.
@aebalc
@aebalc 9 лет назад
"I was so ill prepared for reality" I love that quote. I think that truly sums up the experience of growing up a JW.
@boptillyouflop
@boptillyouflop 9 лет назад
Break this guy's family, force a divorce unto him. Then pretend that they are pro-family. Good move, Watchtower society.
@fat420tokes
@fat420tokes 4 года назад
I'd literally rather live my life without legs than have to know what I know about this religion now, and then go through what you were "blamed" for. I am so sorry you had to live through that man. God bless, Jesus is KING! ✌️💯
@step7814
@step7814 9 лет назад
Stay strong, brother! Freedom from this cult is worth it.
@Rupunzelsawake
@Rupunzelsawake 9 лет назад
I am shocked at the Romanian elder's comments, saying that 1914 (amongst other dates) was a "worldly date" and has "nothing to do with Jehovah". What...are you kidding me? The message that is unique and central to Jehovah's Witnesses is that God's Kingdom has been reigning since 1914. Good heavens...they just commemorated 100 years of kingdom rule last year and produced a book called "God's Kingdom Rules". Actually, that elder is revealing his own "apostate thinking". How many rank and file JWs have been disfellowshipped for saying what he just said, ie. 1914 is a man-made date? Unbelievable ignorance.
@trinikenshin
@trinikenshin 9 лет назад
Rupunzelsawake the more time passes the more similarities I see with us and radical Islam. Muslims will swear that ISIS, Al Queda etc have "nothing to do with" Islam either. They also seek to control so much of your day-to-day lives....the similarities seem to grow as time passes. Please note, I'm not saying that the WT is anywhere near the level of evil that ISIS Boko Haram etc are on.
@kateamara9874
@kateamara9874 9 лет назад
John Conselyea They are basically saying the ORG is full of shit, everything we teach is lies, don't listen or obey anything you hear!
@titaa56
@titaa56 9 лет назад
Kate Amara ....but yet, still stay because even if you ignore the false "worldly" dates, your belief in "Jehovah" is truly the "only" thing that really "matters"...so screw everything else the "Governing Body" tries to instill upon their members..while yet, you have to still believe it all or else. Such load of hypocritical crap!! They are so mentally ill that they can't even tell how deeply ill they are
@kateamara9874
@kateamara9874 9 лет назад
tita adorno Yes, as I listened mu husband said they'll ask if he believes in J. if not he's toast. And yes, that was true. Deny what you know, don't listen to what you hear and survive "this old world"?
@phllmrly7860
@phllmrly7860 6 лет назад
Rupunzelsawake you took the words out of my mouth. I totally agree....
@emptythepain
@emptythepain 9 лет назад
Very brave man for exposing this footage. It was interesting to listen to them going around in circles trying convince themselves what they believe. As they aluded to, that apostates are on the internet, and so are they. They twisted their own words, and denied what is really happening in the organization. These elders, seem genuine, and honestly care, but are blind to the fact that yes there are people stepping forward to talk about abuse, but in their eyes it is all lies, because those ones are not in the organization anymore, so they must be lying. Thank you for sharing.
@roger767
@roger767 9 лет назад
wow did the elder actually say to forget about the dates, they are worldly dates???? Then why does JW teach worldly dates then????
@kateamara9874
@kateamara9874 9 лет назад
Roger Schooneveld Loved that worldly science dates. WTF, these are the dates taught by the GB ( J inspired or not ????)
@minermike61
@minermike61 9 лет назад
Roger Schooneveld They have no conscience any more to lie in this way. To call 1914 or 1975 a worldly date is absurd. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones that have ever taught 1914 as the end of the Gentile times and now we know where it originated from as well. They are trying to step away from it and likely they will start DF anyone who calls BS on them as they lie their way out of 1914.The elder addressing the policy on pedophiles is lying through his teeth and I find it particularly disgusting. If a man will lie about the JW policy on child molesters then it isn't much of a step to do it himself as far as I'm concerned. He knows he's lying. Read his eyes. Very happy this young man woke up and is out.
@GadgetAndKite
@GadgetAndKite 9 лет назад
Roger Schooneveld Don't try reasoning with such nonsense, it will only hurt your brain.
@kateamara9874
@kateamara9874 9 лет назад
Bubba Gump To call something "of the world or worldly" is a way they feel to shut down any and all conversation. It is silly to think that but it has always worked in the past and they continue to do, except now people don't believe it or THEM anymore and it is almost over.If the internet and the press is from SATAN (when they are against the info) it also can't be good( when they want you to believe it). Catholic pedos are good news vs. JW pedos are false news by the same reporter's mouths. Just crazy making stuff.
@SummersTimeEntertainment
@SummersTimeEntertainment 9 лет назад
Reforma TJ $$$
@jwfreedomfighter6581
@jwfreedomfighter6581 9 лет назад
"Don't listen to a victim..... Listen to me....." That's unbelievable.
@junitaa.9337
@junitaa.9337 3 года назад
Oh.my.god
@OdenKnight
@OdenKnight 9 лет назад
The moment you start asking investigating and probing questions is the moment that you are flagged as a potential threat. Good luck to you, and to everyone who wants to escape from "organizations" like this.
@Vicki_Benji
@Vicki_Benji 7 лет назад
Thank you for going through this so you could record it for all to hear. I commend you. I’m also an ex JW, and very happy to be out of that cult.
@dolam
@dolam 9 лет назад
It is sad how these elders lack the ability to reason and analyze what you say. They also deflect from the real issue by going down the rabbit trail of whether you believe in God or not. An expert could make a transcript of this video and write a book on the danger of cult influence, or a book on how some people are incapable of using deductive reasoning. Great job! Can't wait for the next video.
@titaa56
@titaa56 9 лет назад
Tim Smith My exact point!! "elders lack the ability to reason and analyze what you say".......mentally ill and brainwashed these people. So sad
@dolam
@dolam 9 лет назад
Did you notice how they did not even acknowledge the points of consideration? They just stepped over the WT joining the UN and kept going without even breaking their stride.
@titaa56
@titaa56 9 лет назад
Yes! Like eerie automatons.. Right over their heads like nothing!! But they have to respond that way, if they have too much to lose or are "gaining" something more out of it, of course they cannot flinch!
@Applest2oApples
@Applest2oApples 9 лет назад
I wouldn't consider it a rabbit hole. The primary issue on the table is apostasy - whether this person has turned from what they used to believe and no longer believe JW doctrine. Isaac starts off talking about contridictions between this and that, all sorts of particular issues that can be debated for days on end. The elder simply steps back and takes it back to a fundamental belief, whether or not he believes in God. If not, then that's apostasy. You don't need to waste time discussing pyramids and Babylonian empires. Case closed.
@dolam
@dolam 9 лет назад
Not necessarily. I thought that his belief in God may depend on the explanation these brothers give regarding the validity of the WT organization. If he has doubts why did the elders not address those doubts in a straightforward manner? If Isaac doubts whether there is a god or not that is a separate, and I think very legitimate, issue. But it should be discussed separately. When the elder changes the conversation in such a drastic way it is a clear deflection of the questions and, quite frankly, intellectually dishonest. Think about it, if God does not exist does that mean the WT was not a member of the UN, or that the 1914 generations prophecy did not fail miserably, or that the elders do not have a loophole in the flock book? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy regardless of whether or not you believe in God.
@CappytanMusic
@CappytanMusic 9 лет назад
Plot twist: The elders convince Isaac to stay, and then appoint him Ministerial Servant. KIDDING! Great video. Two apostate thumbs up.
@superdave1263
@superdave1263 2 года назад
How am I just now finding this video? Lots of similarities between our two stories. Thanks for sharing!
@asiriusshift4526
@asiriusshift4526 9 лет назад
I cant believe 128,000 people have viewed this! What a blessing Eric!
@c_rhynehardt
@c_rhynehardt 9 лет назад
NO my brother - you don't know! I can't believe those elders sat there and lied like that. And why are they always pointing fingers at the Catholics? That excuse is so tired and worn out. The Watchtower Society will never take responsibility for their mistakes. This really made me angry.
@redbeamer03
@redbeamer03 9 лет назад
c rhynehardt You hit the nail on the head. I was a catholic when they got me. So I became a catholic apostate, but as a catholic apostate I was never excommunicated nor did my family turn their backs on me. As a JW. apostate I lost my sister & a few of my cousins. My sister hasn't spoken to me for more than 25 years.
@TheAnubisDrake
@TheAnubisDrake 9 лет назад
George C I was raised Catholic. Although I was not excommunicated, because the church enjoys claiming large numbers of adherents, I was effectively excommunicated from my family. A full two-thirds of my family will no longer speak to me and consider me the most evil person they've ever know for saying the bible isn't true.
@Jwhelpisontheway
@Jwhelpisontheway 9 лет назад
George C I
@retiredOXT
@retiredOXT 9 лет назад
very interesting I had no idea it was that way
@redbeamer03
@redbeamer03 9 лет назад
TheAnubisDrake Sorry to hear that. But from your comment I understand that it was your family's decision to shun you. not the pope's decision. In the case of the JW'S is the watchtower that instructs them not to talk to anyone disfellowshipped & that includes family & friends, so I also lost all my friends in the congregation.
@dwillkeithurban
@dwillkeithurban 9 лет назад
I've been sharing this video everywhere I possibly can, Eric! Thank you, and thank Isaac for such courage!
@runfromthetower3547
@runfromthetower3547 9 лет назад
Thank you, thank you, thank you Eric for putting this video out, and Isaac for having the courage to record this event. As a newly disassociated member, having documentation like this exposes the cult for what it is; no different from any other religion they try so hard to distance themselves from. As a former elder, trying to explain to someone what goes on behind closed doors is challenging because what the sheep/rank and file see outside of the elders room is not what these men actually are. They have a hard to imagining their "shepherds" acting or talking in such a way. You could't make this stuff up. This first episode shows all the classic and predictable actions by JW "appointed" men; double talk, deflecting of the facts, and minimizing of a persons conscience. I found the statement to you that "you need to make the truth your own", ridiculous given your theocratic career. Looking forward to the next episode. Not sure where you are at in your life Isaac, but we hope the best for you. There is life after the Witchtower. "Truth cannot be taught, it must be realized."
@highpeacetess
@highpeacetess 5 лет назад
RunFromTheTower thank you so much for sharing this comment! ♡♡♡
@jakewarren1335
@jakewarren1335 9 лет назад
Wow, I am only 7 minutes into the video and already my heart is racing! It brings back the trauma of facing my own judicial committee. Although I have lost the relationship and support from my family and friends, severing my ties with the religion was the only decision I could live with. Thank you for your efforts to record your conversation with them and encourage others to start living their lives! It takes time, but it is so worth it!
@joejacobs3537
@joejacobs3537 6 месяцев назад
I never faced a commitee...I disassociated before one could be formed...
@markmello1366
@markmello1366 2 года назад
Wow, these guys are completely not listening to you. I love this line here: “ah huh. Yes. Can I just ask you one question?”
@TeriCaboverKidd
@TeriCaboverKidd 9 лет назад
thats why i got out of this bs. they never let you get a word in edge wise. Im so glad you recorded this. It brought back memories of them saying do you believe in jehovah. i always felt like i had to say yes to all of there questions.my mom is still in and she got my dad in a few years ago..i only had maybe 2 birthday parties etc. Im 39 now and am so glad im out. my mom still gives me the watchtower and awake. i always throw them away. thank you for this video. I think they need to be stopped.
@BoJuel
@BoJuel 9 лет назад
Ohhh, it looks like this video went VIRAL!! 20 500 views in three days! That is BRILLIANT!
@JWStruggle
@JWStruggle 9 лет назад
Bo Juel Fastest # of views of any I've ever put on JWStruggle. Thanks for watching and supporting us Bo!
@jwprimetime9795
@jwprimetime9795 9 лет назад
I'm in shock Bo just how viral!! WOW!!! Good score Eric! Issac had messaged me a few weeks ago that this was going up. Just starting it now! Where's the popcorn!?!?
@dmosier
@dmosier 9 лет назад
Hey Issac. I am DA'ed, and one brother and my sister are DF'ed. I was a JW since birth. I know how hard this has been for you, I really do. I am proud of what you have done here. You will help many people to see the truth about the JW's. Hang in there. Eventually, it does get better. PM me if you ever need to talk.
@jaredd.4354
@jaredd.4354 8 лет назад
Thanks for sharing your experience! I was also raised as a JW, pioneered right after high school and also went to Bethel for about 4-months. I had to leave, as it just wasn't for me. My older brother still serves there. I've been away from it for many, many years - about 20. My whole family are witnesses. I have empathy and respect for your struggle. Of all my family, my mom (a JW) is the only one who has been willing to communicate and support me. Even with religion aside, I have always believed in God. I can't rationally deny it. The universe goes on forever. All the varieties of beautiful life. The thing that's really been moving me towards going back is the unity and harmony. I felt alive as a JW and knew that I could go anywhere in the world and be embraced. That's what I miss the most. I also liked witnessing to people and helping them to see hope. Aside from going to some annual commemoration events, I've stayed away from KH's for a while, as I've feared what the brothers would say to me. Your video helped me. After almost 20-years away from it, I think I'm ready to have a similar discussion with them. I talk to Jehovah ever day, even when walking around. I want to draw close to him, but not particularly his organization. I still have some apprehension about that. But, considering the options, and respecting the imperfect nature of all, I think it may be my best choice going forward. I want to have a relationship with Jehovah, and I want to rebuild the lost relationship with my family. Take care, my friend. Even if I go back to it, I'd still talk to you and embrace you. :) That's what Jesus would do. If you want to, I'd be happy to be friends with you on FB. You can find me here ---> facebook.com/Go2JD Sincerely, Jared D.
@dweamwady
@dweamwady 9 лет назад
I can hardly wait to hear part two! I have three thoughts...1) First they tell you that you have the floor, then they do all the talking lol; funny and typical; 2) They basically berate you for listening to second-hand information and not getting all the facts when you told them you were told by someone with first hand information; and 3) To them apostate = liar; any word of disagreement = liar; any disagreeable accusation = liar. You are a very brave man! At my JC I couldn't tell them how I was really feeling except that I wouldn't shun my daughter who is lesbian.
@marshalll9257
@marshalll9257 9 лет назад
Congratulations on Isaac on having the courage to do this and get out of this evil cult. I was once a member of a cult as well and I know how depressing it can be. Even though you know you are doing the right thing, it sucks to know you are going to lose that many friends at once. It isn't so much the feeling that they no longer care about you, but that you care about them and they hate you for it. I could go on about how they are not really friends in the first place, which is partially true. The reality is that those people that now shun you are victims themselves. You want to help them see the truth and you want them to no longer be victims of the cult, but instead they hate you for doing the right thing. Be sure to keep yourself open in case any of them do wake up and want help coming out. If any ever do actually speak to you they are probably seeking help getting out themselves and need the most kindness they can receive.
@ar9n
@ar9n 9 лет назад
May I ask, what cult you were a member of?
@marshalll9257
@marshalll9257 9 лет назад
Greenland Sure, I was a member of the New Testament Christian Church. They are a cult that primarily preys on military members. They follow a lot of the same practices and JW's. Going door to door to find new recruits, not allowed to have social relationships outside the church, all waking hours must be spent either in church activities, or at work, and if you leave the church all your former "friends" are not allowed to associate with you. Every member is expected to attend their bible school and enter the ministry after they get out of the military. You can find some unbiased facts at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_Christian_Churches_of_America and hear from former cult members at truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/
@ar9n
@ar9n 9 лет назад
Marshall L Thanks. That must have been hard living in that cult, it's a wonder you and others actually managed to leave it. At least you did anyway
@marshalll9257
@marshalll9257 9 лет назад
Greenland Thanks, and when you say "living in" that is literal. Part of what that cult pushed was for soldiers to move into the church. There you had to pay $200 per month of "housing offering" for less space than you would have in a jail cell.
@nydea4realbaby
@nydea4realbaby 9 лет назад
Asking all them questions
@snoogooz6753
@snoogooz6753 9 лет назад
Good for you! Who knows, maybe one of those elders will someday remember what you said and start to question the doctrine for himself.
@felixcornelius2577
@felixcornelius2577 9 лет назад
great work Issac! these 3 elders have a dreadful knowledge of their own organisations basic doctrines,especially the Romanian idiot, later in the video you really hit them hard with the UN membership which they had no answer to and the child abuse scandals! I sat through 2 hearings on my JC on an identical charge and got found not guilty and like you was "turned in" by wife, friends and family, look forward to part II.
@IAmNotARobotPinkySwear
@IAmNotARobotPinkySwear 9 лет назад
Its hard to believe cults like this still exist today given the proliferation of knowledge via the internet.
@ZenonShandro
@ZenonShandro 9 лет назад
Good old fear.
@kathenderson5105
@kathenderson5105 9 лет назад
Exterm inatus It's called mind control, and it's very real.
@hippiethundermonkey
@hippiethundermonkey 9 лет назад
Oh.my.god. I can't imagine how tough all of this must have been for you. I commend you for your courage, strength and integrity.
@bryn6000
@bryn6000 Год назад
The elder said that they were there "to listen to you", but the Romanian guy soon shut you down when they realised that you were genned up.
@masontianello2659
@masontianello2659 6 лет назад
if this Isaac lives in Naples or nearby still I would absolutely love to buy him lunch. Thank you for doing this so much.
@keke8880
@keke8880 8 лет назад
You are way brave. I was in a long term relationship with someone who was an ex JW. He grew up in it and was disfellowshipped too. He didn't have a trial like you (I didn't know how rare they were- you can tell the guys in the video have no idea what they're doing), but everything else you have mentioned is exactly what my ex went through. I felt like I was seeing everything my ex had told me about after watching this video. It's amazing how similar everything is even though we're in a different state than you (I think). You seem like a great guy. By educating the world about JW religion you are helping so many people (including naive non-JW's who think the religion is harmless). I tell everyone who asks about the awful things my ex experienced in the religion and the lifelong effects he struggles with. I hope you receive as much healing as possible. The world is slowly learning about the religion and I believe eventually everyone will know. But in the meantime, please know that there are those of us out there who are non-JW's who know how bad it is and who totally support you.
@Deltasixone
@Deltasixone 9 лет назад
Great video brother. I'm an exemormon and i can tell you the process is near identical. You find out scientific and historic facts and next thing they are trying to oppress and sanction you. I wish you all the best my friend.
@checkunderyourbed
@checkunderyourbed 9 лет назад
I love how the elders don't have answers for anything. They didn't even comment on the false end of the world theories that kept so many young JWs from preparing to have decent lives. Just changed the topic and tried to make their cult leadership look infallible.
@akuavit2747
@akuavit2747 9 лет назад
How long before they start patting people down for hidden cameras before these things...
@christiansparlock-freedom2660
@christiansparlock-freedom2660 9 лет назад
God job. This is another situation exposing the Twisted Reasonings of the JW cult leaders. Trying to have a direct clear discussion with These elders is like mentally walking in knee deep mud.
@donbagley2322
@donbagley2322 9 лет назад
The Mormons call their version a "Court of Love."
@brodericksiz625
@brodericksiz625 9 лет назад
Uncannily similar to the Ministry of Love, if you know what I'm talking about...
@donbagley2322
@donbagley2322 9 лет назад
Broderick Siz Yes, I'm an Orwell fan, and I agree with your comparison.
@davesmith6624
@davesmith6624 9 лет назад
Don Bagley The Mormons are a step up from the Jehovah's Witnesses
@donbagley2322
@donbagley2322 9 лет назад
Dave Smith Perhaps only the one step, though. And it's a long stairway going up to heaven.
@davesmith6624
@davesmith6624 9 лет назад
Don Bagley You're so right! It's strange having nice people you know who are involved in Cults and say such glowing things(The folks I know are Mormon) but you know the bad stuff that goes on(A Mormon years ago told me a lot of the weird inside stuff that outsiders aren't supposed to know) and you hold your tongue because you're nervous thet you'll offend them and they'll stop being friends.
@dacurry3200
@dacurry3200 9 лет назад
That Is so powerful. They don't even know what they are saying. It makes me sad and sick to my stomach. Thank you so much for sharing. I look forward to the second part.
@Markydarling
@Markydarling 9 лет назад
Wow omg Im not surprised at those lying elders but this took such courage and strength and Im so proud and welcome to the real world man and I've had my whole family lost to the money laundering organization and Its gonna suck at times but eventually it gets better and you start to function into REAL SOCIETY and I made friends and now its like a have a whole new family that accepts me for me no matter what I believe so stay strong and we're all here for you... your not alone!!!
@djlowtek
@djlowtek 9 лет назад
If a person is accused of a horrible crime such as child molestation, rape, etc then the accused and accuser face THIS SAME "trial" system. It's broken, horrible, unfair, and many are hurt because of it. I learned a TON about JW from my old roommate.
@jaslinglover
@jaslinglover 8 лет назад
The hypocrisy and pedophilia that is rampant in this religion is disgusting. The fact that JWs venture out and research what they've been groomed to know is a very natural and common thing. Much like higher education in universities, the professor gives a general explanation on a topic and some details, thereby leaving the extent of understanding solely up to the students whom crave to know more, expand their knowledge on said topic. The only way to further ones understanding is to ask questions, it's sad that because of this very natural and common idea, families are ripped apart and people are considered "apostates". Any religion that causes mothers/fathers to ostracize/disown their children is the devils work in practice. Sickening and disgusting!!!!
@JWStruggle
@JWStruggle 8 лет назад
+LindeeG I couldn't agree with you more.
@bobbypaluga4346
@bobbypaluga4346 8 лет назад
Good points, what struck me as cold and cultish initially was the fear that is always present, the crazy idea that a God who created the earth and billions of other galaxies is going to be unhappy if a small child innocently plays with a character toy or buys ice cream instead of handing the money over to the WT to pay child sexual abuse claims, (there is an ironic and very weird relationship in that last statement, abusing a child to pay for the abuse of another child) And then there is the advice to never speak with a person who leaves and never read anything that sheds a negative light on the Witnesses. I have never heard of another faith attempting to control what a person reads or who they visit with, outside of pornography and evil people. A theology that is godly can withstand attacks and revelations of its history and be stronger for it.
@jaslinglover
@jaslinglover 8 лет назад
+Bobby Paluga You're completely right, and unfortunately, it's this fear that enables the control. And it is vile that children pay for other children to be abused, here's the thing, if this is so "hush hush" the reason has to be complete disregard for human life. Human life is sacrificial to that of "Jehovah," as I'm sure they say these things or something to the effect of "this is Jehovah's will, etc." If ones religion is so damn great, why is it so secretive? Why aren't current victims allowed to follow the law of the land, which is report to local authorities, specifically, when these "elders" do nothing about it!!! All they do is tell you to pray, while they conduct a "judicial meeting" with the victim and the abuser!! Who in their right mind does that?
@preyankaridevidevyani9429
@preyankaridevidevyani9429 8 лет назад
+LindeeG Im lucky because in Japan, they have extreme laws against groups like JWs
@rtballin
@rtballin 8 лет назад
+LindeeG I agree.. Fact checking always needs to be done. If you're a Christian, matching scripture with historical time and dates is a way to teach those who need proof and aren't sold on faith alone.
@tanyastanfield6893
@tanyastanfield6893 7 лет назад
THANK YOUUU SO MUCH FOR THIS RU-vid PAGE!!!! WE NEED A SUPPORT GROUP. THIS HURT AND SADDNESS AND MANIPULATION IS REAL! SO GLAD I MADE IT OUT
@bluehawk3778
@bluehawk3778 9 лет назад
Poor Elders here. They are so confused and brainwashed. You can tell in this Elder's eyes he wants to be off assistance, but he doesn't realize that he is totally spiritually blind!
@shermhye
@shermhye 9 лет назад
These elders have no clue. Straight up buffoonery. They don't even get what apostasy is. According to the scriptures, apostasy is bringing a teaching other than what the apostles taught about the Christ. It has nothing to do with not believing in the FDS or the Organization. If anything, the WTBTS are the ones teaching what is opposite of the scriptures as to who Jesus is.
@highpeacetess
@highpeacetess 5 лет назад
Steve Sherman right on 🎯 👊💕
@mattranson4794
@mattranson4794 9 лет назад
If someone wanted me to join any organization whose leaders were called "The Watchtower" my flat feet would be running as fast as possible in the other direction!
@tavaegluyas4668
@tavaegluyas4668 11 месяцев назад
Send all the love from Mike and Tava'e of Christchurch New Zealand ❤
@MetalSlugzMaster
@MetalSlugzMaster 9 лет назад
This is brave of you. VERY brave. Having been raised in the "religion", this must be terribly jarring for you to say the least. My concern would be the chance of reparations for leaving the church. Smearing your name, and so on. Just know that others will support you if that happens and you choose to make it public.
@superdave1263
@superdave1263 2 года назад
From an ex elders school of thought……. If you are summoned to a committee meeting you are guilty of sin. This is just a formal meeting to play the Watchtower game.of getting rid of you before you alert the rest of the congregation to their shenanigans. There isn’t any help on the way, no one is going to rescue you, it’s just you and the lions in the arena. They will chew you up, spit you out, and then tell the other publishers what a horrible person you are!
@darkhelmet6274
@darkhelmet6274 9 лет назад
Great work guys. At some point I am sure I will be approached to attend a similar hearing. Thank you for sharing this, it is the ONLY way to help others wake up. Share information, share facts, share these videos. Thank you again!
@upaiaq
@upaiaq 9 лет назад
Thanks for having the courage to put this up,you will inspire others to find the truth.
@ClaudeReidjr
@ClaudeReidjr 9 лет назад
Time is up. Everyone who is not a Jehovah's Witness is destroyed. your video is getting a lot of hits. Good Job dude or should I say Brother :O). We are doing the will of Jehovah to expose this groupt as well as all other groups like this. We will take them down by Holy Spirit. I been looking forward to this for about three years. Claude
@NoNameC68
@NoNameC68 9 лет назад
I absolutely love when theists say, "I once believed in evolution." Great, that doesn't mean they understood the theory of evolution. I think what they're really saying is, "I just accepted evolution as fact without knowing anything about it, but I'm going to pretend I used to understand evolution the same way you do. That way, I can pretend I've already considered all your arguments before in the past when in reality these arguments you use have never crossed my mind."
@theoneandonlyroelle
@theoneandonlyroelle 9 лет назад
NoNameC68 I think this surfaced because so many atheists are ex-believers, they think it's a clever argument
@NoNameC68
@NoNameC68 9 лет назад
theoneandonlyroelle Very true.
@arresttedrosadhanom741
@arresttedrosadhanom741 6 лет назад
Funny you should mention tht some evolutionary biologists and evolution professors have abandoned their belief in evolution and embraced creationism.
@jamillec
@jamillec 9 лет назад
Congrats on your new life. You are very strong and you have a great attitude and deserve better people in your life.
@darkhelmet6274
@darkhelmet6274 9 лет назад
As I am watching this, remember, do not let them corner you with "do you believe in god" because they are connecting that to Watchtower basically saying if you do not believe in Watchtower, their teachings and lies, you do not believe in god... and you will not get any further with your case
@johannlarkin8844
@johannlarkin8844 9 лет назад
This is one brave man! Good for you for speaking out. I'm sorry you had to lose so much. I wish you much happiness and success in your new life. Please get support for the trauma you have endured. The effects can last a long time.
@Cornberry
@Cornberry 9 лет назад
I am really glad to hear that from gaining knowledge and studying history, someone was able to really understand the falsehood that comes with religion.
@martymuse5891
@martymuse5891 4 года назад
You just stay strong buddy and you make sure you get on with your life now go find out what you're good at and get creative! You're free now!
@billborden310
@billborden310 9 лет назад
Hey I watched your video a while back. It's hard watching people go through this emotional drama because I remember what I went through when I left in the late 1970's. God bless you and thanks for making this video. It's so good to see so many people tell their story. A few years ago when I started my apostate site it was like pulling teeth to get any EX JW to speak up. As a result, many JW's and non believers wrongly assumed what the Watchtower is doing is not such a big deal. There is power in numbers.
@theravenleichan2905
@theravenleichan2905 8 лет назад
My family was torn apart by the Jehovah's Witness society. Your not alone in the depression and fear. That comes with leaving a cult, and being rejected by EVERYONE you grew up with. Just remember this. The Churches of the world are ALL run by MEN..My family learned a different way of things. Dust your feet off at their door, learn about Jesus, because he did die for you if you believe. Don't let this crumble your faith. There is a God, there is his son who died for us, and all you need is to believe...not to listen to any man, because until we're made perfect, we are all the same in sin...you are now aware of the running of politics and religiojn, so go Rogue and follow Christ on your own. I'm sorry for all of your pain and your families "man-guided-deception". Blessings
@LS-el6cq
@LS-el6cq 8 лет назад
Yes exactly I felt like the JW cult ruins Religion and most people who believes in JW then realizes it's wrong go from that then they go into the world...and they don't believe in God anymore but there is one Gods has grace and mercy and you can't do anything to redeem yourself He paid it all .
@ericschumann9545
@ericschumann9545 5 лет назад
That’s what I did out of Christianity since the liars in the pulpit were about the money read your bible and pray I do witness to witnesses I have lime a JW giudence system I seem to run in to JW alot
@DictaduraNo123
@DictaduraNo123 9 лет назад
He asks: "Do you believe that Jehovah exists"? What he is actually trying to say is that the JW monopolize God and, as usual, they monopolize "the truth", and out of the JW you cannot believe in God. How norrow-minded! I believe in God and I don't beleive in religions. I don't need fairy tales to believe in God. When I read about astronomy, Quantum physics, etc, I feel closer to a Supreme Being than reading all the absurdities you find in the Bible, the Quran, etc.... What proof do they have that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moises, etc, ever existed? NONE. I could go on.....
@TheBlazingAngel
@TheBlazingAngel 9 лет назад
What fascinating stuff. I'm so glad I got the chance to see this. Thanks for posting.
@chocolatebones
@chocolatebones 9 лет назад
I was raised in all of this as well. I so empathize with you. I am no longer in contact with my JW family. I'm so sorry for your experience.
@WayneScott-w7z
@WayneScott-w7z Месяц назад
I was brought up and raised as a JW when my parents started studying and got baptised in 1973, i was then 11 yrs old. I left the JW faith at 16 in 1978. Over the decades i have had a bit of a study on and off and read a publication. I have struggled to keep my integrity to the teachings of JWs because of the guilt i have endured from time to time. It is so difficult to follow the strict guidelines and regulations so i have reached the stage after listening to all these videos on RU-vid to withdraw and i have even told my elder friend here in Oldham to watch some of the videos i have posted from here. I have since listening to all these video recordings felt sick in my stomac and feeling somewhat confused with everything so i an stepping back as i hate feeling guilty or ashamed, well not no more.
@lovesicksound633
@lovesicksound633 9 лет назад
YYYEEESSS >:D i need part 2 now!!! obey me. "Do you believe everything you hear on the news"!? some jokes write themselves
@alexusdaring5825
@alexusdaring5825 9 лет назад
Good vid!
@MrBartboy34
@MrBartboy34 9 лет назад
Ive gotta say this video staggers me. DOnt worry about the dates ? Really ? This is what we were taught all through the meetings and book studies. And now when it doesnt suit them they say it doesnt matter. Also they just wont answer his questions. All it comes down to is Do you believe in Jehovah ? If he doesnt they can just cast him out. If he does then they can disfellowship him. How about just trying to answer the poor guys questions. Put his mind at ease. Maybe give him some spiritual guidance. But like they did in my case the hearing was already decided before I walked in the door. They have the game skunked. You cant question the beliefs. If you do your out. You cannot possibly win. Its heart wrenching. I know. I've gone through it. I cant even talk to my Elder father about these matter because I will then also be branded an apostate. My heart goes out to you Isaac. Stay strong man.
@pghdjmarty
@pghdjmarty 9 лет назад
The creepiest part of my judicial committee meeting, to me, was the opening prayer. Having already known the whole story and how these things are handled, I knew that these meetings are NOT for the publishers' well being. Rather they are nothing more than the elders flexing their congregational muscle and seeking to spiritually spank the person.
@anissueofursincerity
@anissueofursincerity 2 года назад
You are never fully prepared for these thing. It always feels like a blindsiding. Their opening speech is always the elders patting themselves on the back, how beautiful their intentions are and they equate with God. The elders are fully possessed. It is a fixed trance. Nobody is ever ready for it. They are ready to cut you off at every turn. When facts are not favorable to them they shift to attitude.
@Rupunzelsawake
@Rupunzelsawake 9 лет назад
"If you don't want to be part of the flock you need to let us know that". What!!! Why in God's name would you do that knowing that the result will be ostracism by your JW friends and family, unless you actually wanted them to never speak to you ever again? Do these men have brains? I don't think so! I had the same kind of things said to me..."We're not in the arm twisting business...Jehovah gave us free will", etc. Sure, you can leave, but you have no choice other than to sacrifice all your JW friends and family.
@JWStruggle
@JWStruggle 9 лет назад
Rupunzelsawake Thanks for that insight Sis! You certainly speak from experience.
@dynastichero896
@dynastichero896 9 лет назад
Rupunzelsawake yea the whole free will thing is a joke. They don't believe in free will.
@yootoob1958
@yootoob1958 9 лет назад
That is why I don't take another human's word or authority on any religion. No one knows for 100% certainty. When they do, it is what I call religious arrogance. It is important to do critical think for yourself. We know for sure that we have only one life. Live it to the fullest. Be true to yourself.
@juliaabadi6812
@juliaabadi6812 3 года назад
I am at the beginning of the video. My stomach is churning and I have unbidden tears appearing as my anxiety levels rise for you Isaac as you are getting out of the car. It brings to mind someone walking to their execution. I really hope this is going to work out for you and your loved ones.
@4jesus4truth38
@4jesus4truth38 9 лет назад
25:20 "I could recite what he was going to say every single Sat. ... Why am I here?" I can recite what JWs say every single Sunday: Armageddon is almost here. Stay close to the organization. Endure to the end. Do more in the field ministry. Trust in Jehovah's organization. Be thankful for the blessings Jehovah provides through his organization. Etc etc So why would I go?
@jillsand4278
@jillsand4278 8 лет назад
Good luck Isaac, I don't know when it happened but I hope everything is fine for you by now. I know that, here, people who want to leave Jehobah's Witnesses have to leave also their job, friends and probably close relatives. Best wishes from France :)
@TulliusAgrippa
@TulliusAgrippa 9 лет назад
Dear Isaac, I feel your pain. I too lost all my friends when I was ostracised from my church. Please let me know if it would help you to talk to someone about it. We could skype. I am now an atheist and extremely happy to have been loosed from my bondage..
@Gerar2891
@Gerar2891 9 лет назад
You my friend you are amazingly brave!!! The best for you all the way I admire you!! Stay strong to you!
@tamarrandall3918
@tamarrandall3918 9 лет назад
Huh??? Ignore the wordly dates? Since when did these dates that JW theology is based around become wordly dates??? Absolutely Ridiculous!!!
@DallasCanada
@DallasCanada 9 лет назад
Wow watch this and listen to this elder talk about watchtower time tables!
@JWStruggle
@JWStruggle 9 лет назад
Dallas Canada Yeah they do that more than once! The things JW elders say "in secret"...
@DallasCanada
@DallasCanada 9 лет назад
JWStruggle If the watchtower timetables are not relevant, then why is the "channel of communication" relevant if you only need faith in Jehovah?
@dolam
@dolam 9 лет назад
If the WT timetables are not important why are they meeting with him then? You can tell they are so used to faithful JW's just blindly listening to what they say that they don't even feel the need to make sense anymore.
@Bonaparte3922
@Bonaparte3922 9 лет назад
Tim Smith And your point is what my friend. Thank you and God bless you
@ActionGamerAaron
@ActionGamerAaron 9 лет назад
Dallas Canada It is conditioning & a brainwashing technique. Form a tradition, follow through with it. It puts people in a trance of obedience, as if the supposed powerful forces these elders are summoning might do something to them if the followers don't behave the way they want.
@whosdunit
@whosdunit 9 лет назад
OMG Isaac, you are such a brave soul, keep up the good fight.
@royboy3129
@royboy3129 8 лет назад
the watch tower is a cult
@Kaynmiya
@Kaynmiya 4 года назад
Francis York both are tbh
@DoverDaniel
@DoverDaniel 9 лет назад
I applaud you man. Don't know you, will never get to know you, this is the first of your videos that I watched but I applaud your courage. Thank you!
@Jacob32905
@Jacob32905 9 лет назад
Wolves in sheep's clothing! You're a brave man! That took a lot of courage!
@MindFlowersDotNet
@MindFlowersDotNet 9 лет назад
Thank you for your courage and honesty!
@mtlosardo
@mtlosardo 9 лет назад
Happy birthday. May with your many difficult losses be accompanied with freedom and great joy. Congratulations on waking up. Make sure you have support to adjust. Thanks for sharing.
@brotherinexile1293
@brotherinexile1293 9 лет назад
Thank you, Eric for airing this, and Isaac for having the courage to record this hearing. Where does one begin? There is so much here on which I could comment. But, I think I'll focus on a couple of choice gems, to wit, the Society's dates, the circular reasoning employed by the committee and the "first question" of faith in "Jehovah". So, the Society's own dates are "worldly history"? What about all those associates of the Society who made certain decisions and took certain actions because of that "worldly history", "worldly history" which was expounded by no one but the Society? Within the last couple of days, Mike and Kim posted a video in which they read the item in the October 8, 1968, "Awake!" in which the Society states, in print, for all to see, that these dates represent "God's timetable". So, I suppose, God is now to be considered "worldly", eh, brothers? Incredible! In the lead-up to these dates the Society gives all "credit" to the Lord, but, just as soon as they fail, turns right around and blames the rank and file for accepting these same dates when, after all, it is not our place to know the "day and hour", "the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction". (Matthew 24:36; Acts 1:7,NW) Now, within the committee arrangement, the Society has the audacity to claim that these dates originate from "worldly" sources. Granted, Russell concocted A.D. 1914 by measuring inner passages of the Great Pyramid of Giza, but he was still the Society's president, and was elected "pastor", not only at Allegheny, but in other ecclesias (now, "congregations"), some of which are still around today, including some which still consider the Society to be God's "channel of communication". And, what of the other dates, be they 607 B.C., A.D. 1874, 1915, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1925, 1975, etc.? Are not all of these dates based upon that of 1914, or at least connected therewith, according to the Society? But, now, according to a judicial committee in Naples, Florida, each one of these dates is "worldly history", about which we are instructed to "forget". This is a tacit admission that the Society has been lying for well over a century! This bring us to the committee's circular reasoning. The committee will go through the motions of engaging in a "back and forth" discussion with an "offender", and will even feign agreement with the points he raises, but, in reality, the servants are saying the same things they said earlier, only in different ways, employing logical fallacies to back up their statements, to wit: "If this is true, then that is also true. If, in turn, that is true, then such-and-such is the case. And if such-and-such is the case, then it proves that this (the original statement) is true." According to the committee, everything vindicates the Society; consequently, there is no need to ever question the Society, because if one does find reason to question the Society he is an apostate and must be dealt with by the committee. All of this leads, as I believe it really should, to the "first question" of one's faith in "Jehovah": "Do you believe in Jehovah?" In my own case, I would have to say that if the question were, "Do you believe in Jehovah as He is presented in Scripture?", the answer is: "Absolutely, yes!" If, on the other hand, the question is, "Do you believe in Jehovah as He is presented by the Society?", the answer, of necessity, would be: "No." And here we come to the crux of the matter. The Society presents a warped view of God, which runs completely contrary to Scripture. The Bible says He is "merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth", the Society paints Him cruel and unjust, lacking grace. (Exodus 34:7,NW 1953 edition)The Bible says He is a Father, who "shows mercy to his sons", the Society does not want the vast majority of Jehovah's witnesses to see Him as their Father. (Psalm 103:13,NW) The Bible says that the Lord removes our transgression "as far as the east is from the west", the Society says that He must punish trangressors as though they are unrepentant, "mentally diseased" apostates. (Psalm 103:12) The Bible says that He is Love, the Society says: "Jehovah is supreme, the Most High, and absolute Dictator over his organization." (1 John 4:8,16; contrast "The Watchtower", August 15, 1932, study article "Jehovah's Organization" Part One, page 243, paragraph 1.) The list could go on and on, but the above will suffice. Interestingly, though, the Society's portrayal of "Jehovah" could easily describe the Society itself, to wit, lacking grace, not wanting its followers to claim the Fatherhood of God, a desire to punish trangressors as though they are apostates and seeking to establish a dictatorship over Jehovah's witnesses. Thus, one is left to conclude, in such a state, that the Society is "Jehovah". And, if this is all to which one has been exposed in his lifetime, as appears to be the case with Isaac, when he realizes that the Society has only ever lied to him, his faith is, regrettably, though not surprisingly, shaken to the core. In such an event, it is no wonder that one would be "invited", or as Isaac so aptly put it, "summoned", to appear before the committee. Again, thank you both, brothers, for this informative video. And may I add my voice to those looking forward to the subsequent installments.
@emblems4life726
@emblems4life726 9 лет назад
Brother Inexile Excellent observations and comment!
@brotherinexile1293
@brotherinexile1293 9 лет назад
James Michelle Thank you.
@cartoonlady1950
@cartoonlady1950 9 лет назад
"Jehovah does not force to come here... " Interesting ...I would have said back........... " you force us to Stay"
@mjgaming7234
@mjgaming7234 9 лет назад
Hi Isaac my brother. I congratulate you on leaving WT! I left WT officially last week. They have put themselves up as God's Spiritual Mouthpiece. In doing so, they have the lives of millions of trusting people in their hands. So it is more than understandable, that sadly, many innocent hearts will be broken. I can imagine what it's like to have a mental breakdown, as I was close to having one 9 years ago whilst I was pregnant. This was due to my unloving and unsupportive husband at the time.You have had so many daggers thrown at you recently, all at one time my luv.I consider you a MOST courageous person and I do respect all you have said and your opinions, due to what you've experienced. When I saw and listened to your 1st ever JW Struggle videos with Eric last year, I could tell that your heart was with God. You love people and care deeply about their welfare. Isaac, I cannot believe for a moment that your values have changed. As a child, I remember my dad stating that there were some EVIL things in the bible! Years later as I read the bible I could see what he meant. My luv, what we have to realise is that, the Sovereignty of the Almighty God the Supreme Creator of so much beauty in the whole universe,has been under threat for centuries, ever since the devil chose to REBEL! Imagine you have a child. Anarchy breaks out in society. There is NOTHING as humans we wouldn't instinctively do in order to SAVE our child, or any child that is about to be taken away by an angry mob! As we know, if we leave a rotting apple in amongst a batch of good apples, in time, the good apples WILL, turn bad also. If God didn't step in but allowed the EVIL situations in the bible to develope....then can you imagine what that would mean? Love, peace and Justice would be no more and the devil would have TOTAL RULE! Isaac, when we have been through trials such as what you have and are still experiencing, we need time to heal....time out! Isaac, we cannot deny there is a creator when we see the beauty of what the universe contains. Hold on and ask God to reveal himself to you! I believe that if you, 'pour out, in any way you need to, your anger, in prayer to God...he will heal your pain'. Just as Job did in the bible when faced with many trials from the devil. I hope that you will some day pray for Jesus to RE-ENTER your heart and guide your life. EPH 3:17: 'THAT CHRIST MAY DWELL IN YOUR HEARTS BY FAITH;THAT YE, BEING ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN LOVE'. Because our life experiences are all unique to everyone else's Isaac, God will need you to help others. Xx
@tomgola3
@tomgola3 9 лет назад
You're always welcome in the athiest / agnostic club.
@temayra
@temayra 9 лет назад
May God give u strength. I am still in, but I am fading ...
@bondsan
@bondsan 5 лет назад
Why would Zeus give anyone "strength"? Hercules was enough of a problem, I think Zeus fair learned a lesson there ;)
@ForgotToMentionThat
@ForgotToMentionThat 3 года назад
Did you ever make it outside?
@marymarvel861
@marymarvel861 9 лет назад
How are those dates worldly history when that's what you were teaching to be truth. I'm so sick of this religion. I'm sick of the lies and the abuse that this religion practice. It's criminal. Unfortunately I am stuck just like most people. Because if you say anything you would get marked and risk losing your family. You are very brave.
@anissueofursincerity
@anissueofursincerity 9 лет назад
This looks and feels like facing the cops or a boss looking to fire you. Wow, some are strangers.
@zoom539
@zoom539 9 лет назад
I can't wait for part 2
@phllmrly7860
@phllmrly7860 6 лет назад
The Romanian elder reminds me of the Count from Sesame Street....
@enrigonz70
@enrigonz70 9 лет назад
Looking forward to part 2. Amazing how the elders just dance around facts and pretend nothing is wrong and nothing has happened. And that one elder saying the dates are just "worldly dates".... well just priceless!
@fentongal
@fentongal 6 лет назад
They are RUINING countless lives. This is so sad. :-( So glad more and more people are coming out and exposing them! Thank you!
@auntfancy6915
@auntfancy6915 9 лет назад
Great job! I wonder what the WT$ would think of those elders saying the dates are worldly when the dates are very important to the WT$. I am so glad another person recorded their JC meeting now it would be great if we got a woman on tape for her JC meeting and see how she is treated. Wishing you all the best in your new found freedom and I am looking forward to the rest of the videos.
@athenabritestar4084
@athenabritestar4084 9 лет назад
My thoughts are with you Issac. Very brave and a difficult process both internally as well as your external life. Thank you for recording and sharing at such a difficult juncture. Wishing you all the best.
@atothedpizzle
@atothedpizzle 9 лет назад
Athena Britestar Agreed, and well said. It's heart breaking that someone who has (serious) doubts about their organization is forced apart from their friends and family forever. As for JWStruggle, I've no doubt you'll be an inspiration to many.
@vf3d
@vf3d 9 лет назад
Yeah, damn that "so-called science", right? Good job BTW.
@jeffreycanning3187
@jeffreycanning3187 5 лет назад
ok ok @
@jeffreycanning3187
@jeffreycanning3187 5 лет назад
These guys would not know shit from wedding cake... They do not listen to you, they don’t answer your questions... Tell them to go fuck them selves... Don’t lower yourself to these clowns... Great stuff by the way.
@theoneandonlyroelle
@theoneandonlyroelle 9 лет назад
Wow, shit your brave. Thank you for this video. Subscribed!
@jupiter1114
@jupiter1114 6 лет назад
Stay strong man! Man this religion is soooo TOXIC. I got accepted to 6 ivy league schools and this relgion made me feel like I was the worst person for going to college. Today, I have graduated from Wharton and have a career in management consulting. I have made new friends who accept me for who I am and love me not because some invisible idea of a God tells them to love me.
@mizotter
@mizotter 9 лет назад
Congratulations on breaking free! I wish you all the best in your new life!
@DavidTaylor-ki2ir
@DavidTaylor-ki2ir 5 лет назад
Of course at the time of my judicial committee I wasn’t brazen and still somewhat respectful of the process so it’s easier to say this now but when the elder says “Jehovah doesn’t force anyone to come to him/here/whatever” I would have liked to have said “ok, well then may I go now?” These guys are so smug, such a waste of time. Speaking as one who, much to my chagrin, was just as smug and deluded an elder at one time.
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