ARE ELECTRIC CARS REALLY DISPOSABLE JUNK? 

I know, I know, you daily drive something that's 60 years old and none of these milk floats will make it that long. The average age of a scrap car in the UK is 13.9 years (SMMT).

HOW DARE YOU USE DATA AND FACTS!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

My 3 year old MG ZS EV with 80000km should be exploding right about now according to some of the internet commenters

I see a 2014 Renault Zoe every day, it's the wife's runabout.10 years, 60,000 miles. it is just starting to show signs of reduced range but that's not an issue as it only runs around Hertfordshire doing short journeys.

Very good analysis using actual data, of course the haters will just ignore proven facts because there is a guy down the pub who knows about motors and he says they are crap, so case proved.

77% of 2012 MITSUBISHI I-MiEV Keiko are still on the road. 88.5% are still registered. Tiny outdated battery, but still around. Some of the rarer versions are 100% on the road.

Good work, data is king

Great bit of research. No less than any self-respecting journalist should be doing. Well done

My 2014 bmw i3 is still on the road 👍

We have an 11 year old (2013) Smart ForTwo ED. On the original battery. Only 60 mile range, but ideal for local trips. It's used pretty much daily.

2018 Nissan leaf 98,000 miles and still dives like new .

The other huge thing as ICE cars get older, horses run away from the engine and 0-60 times get longer. EV's generally still keep their power. Great information and facts!

ABSOLUTELY LOOOOOOOOOVE THIS VIDEO....!! I'm all in for stats etc so this is brilliant research, which I will unashamedly plagiarise when countering the usual anti-EV trope being bandied about on various EV-related Facebook articles. Thanks, fella - appreciate you bringing this to my attention. 😎

The MacMaster said this. but the batteries are fully recycled. and Tesla model S have been on the road since built. There are 2014 Tesla model S. listed on autotrader £24K so does not not end that they will only last a few years. the loss of leaf is simple no battery management makes there far more to be scrapped, but the car would be reused. The question would be is condition. after 10 years how much is being spent to keep a petrol car on the road. how much HP has it lost. since the engine is high levels of tar etc. on its moving parts. Also how many services and number of spark plugs, oil filters, oil has been put in the car, and cost vs costs for EV's when a petrol car has over 2000 moving parts. vs 20 or so.

As a die hard petrolhead AND an EV owner here’s my take on it. A large majority of EV owners (me included) are impressed at just how well they drive. That being said, anyone who wants the full driving experience when they get behind the wheel of a car (say, for fun) would never choose electric as it’s not an immersive experience and would never be nostalgic about one to the point that it would be considered a classic, with the resultant strong value associated with in demand old classic cars. So in effect I guess a lot of EV drivers probably do consider their car a ‘white good’. As EVM pointed out in a recent Vlog, old EV’s can be problematic to get repaired when they are out of warranty. Presently I’d wager that more than 80% of all EV’s currently on the road today are still covered by a manufacturers warranty so this is very much a problem for the future that should be addressed now, but isn’t (Much like the obviously inadequately growing public charging networks). Very few traditional garages will adapt to maintain EV’s until they see reason to do so (due to the huge cost involved in the transition) this will have a large impact on the desirability of an ‘old’ EV which could make ownership possible to a group who operate within the realm of ‘bangernomics’ (doing most of the maintenance and repairs themselves) EV’s are far more hazardous to repair than an ICE equivalent and I have no doubt that sometime in the future there will sadly be fatalities. At this point (as they did with Gas Boilers) the Gov could step in and restrict or ban home repairs on EV’s. So, in that regard, and with a very long answer to your very short question, yes, I can see EV’s becoming a disposable item.

Excellent video. Really useful for when tackling FUD. Well done 👏

Cracking bit of research, thank you for putting the effort in.

Great idea for a video. Really useful! Thanks

I think you don't notice many older Teslas because almost every car on the road is a new one 🙂

If you look at macmasters youtube site, youll see his 3 uear old £120000 Porsche EV was in negative equity. The dealers wont even take it back. A while back, I think he was owing £20000 back if he gave the car back to them, thats in less than 3 years from new. 😂 Ill stick to my old vauxhall thanks

Got a 2013 bmw i3 still going great.

People who buy supercars and Luxury cars are fully aware of the massive depreciation they can expect within the first year or two and to say that it is because the vehicle is battery powered is at best disingenuous and more likely an outright lie. Sour grapes or paid promotion of ICE vehicles you decide. I know which one I think it is

Problem is MOST modern cars are on a value based time limit, shear cost of replacement parts will kill most way before they are anywhere near as old as the current road fleets. I mean who would have thought that owning a porsche would be risky as people will steal your headlights ( and quite destructively too) simply because the replacement headlights are several thousands of pounds new. Add in that the vast majority of cars are now non diy repair friendly ie smart phones on wheels, gone are the days of weekend tinkering, and hello to £70 an hour garage costs, I personally am looking down the barrel for a clutch and 2 rear springs for a Hyundai 2009 i30 costing ball park £900 and thats after shopping round, main dealer wanted £1100

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With regards to the LEAF I'm sure they are very popular with getting exported to off seas markets such as New Zealand, Australia, Cyprus, Malta and Jamaica that drive on the left hand side. I have seen a few posts on the Facebook pages confirming this, so maybe this is why the LEAF looks like many have been scrapped.

We say it's disposable as soon as the battery warranty runs out. How many years does it take u to get to 100,000 is the real question.

Some fair points made, another one to look at is , if you are left with the electric car and you decide to scrap it will people be willing to take it off your hands like an ICE car, proberbly not as you just cannot crush it because of the danger to the batteries so I honestly think they will charge you to have it scrapped.

A very interesting video. Food for thought. Thank you.

Throw away item like an LCD TV,not worth mending.

Top class research! Data is key!

Good facts, a down to earth analysis of the data. Would be interesting to know what was the make up of the lost 15% of vehicles. Right offs/major mechanical failures etc...

Great video - I see old leaf's, I Miev's all the time

Lies, damned lies and statistics! ;-) A good point well made. There's far too many sweeping generalisations out there that, often enough repeated, become "facts".

I have a suspicion the average miles on a diesel ford focus will be vastly greater than I3 etc. Insurance companies are so quick to write vehicles off these days, sometimes a broken bumper is enough. 2014 is the newest vehicle I have ever owned but I sold it as it was too valuable!😂

….Just to add, we could well see manufacturers offering very much extended warranties(at customer cost of course) to counter this and prop up residual values. Also fyi In 2021 when I took my Leaf to Cleevelys for repair they were the only company in the country that would touch it (Organised through Hevra) 3 years later they are still the only all make EV repair company in the U.K.

It would be interesting to see the comparison of miles the vehicles have been used. Most EVs have low milage. The leaf, likely used as a taxi. I feel the ICE vehicles will have been used far greater than the EVs.

This is is totally of topic but did everyone see the strange white light effect in the middle of the screen at 7.46 looks like a feather 🤔

As you said, the aftermarket repairs are key. I'd love to buy a high mileage Model S but if there were to be a problem with one battery cell, I'd probably be screwed. I don't think it helps that most mechanics seem to be burying their heads in the sand rather than embracing it and retraining. That said, the long battery and drive train warranties have probably been hampering the uptake. 8 years ago EV sales were comparatively tiny, so there is still a small market for after market EV specialists. That can only grow over the next few years.

Just purchased my sixth EV. We will then be a two EV household. Both used, a 3 year old Ioniq and an 8 year old Zoe. No concerns over battery longevity here.

I’ve got a small issue with this data. Some of these cars could be off the road and not SORN because it doesn’t cost anything to keep them ‘taxed’ as they are EVs. Unlike ICE cars that would be SORN if they were sat on a driveway in a state of disrepair because it costs to owner to keep them taxed. Who knows, but it may affect the numbers of SORN vehicles by an unknown percentage

I just sold our updated Model 3 and now have an Australian BYD Seal Premium. Elon Tesla has allowed their vehicles to slide towards recycling rather than repair. He is now seeking to make zero servicing of his ‘castings’ after a couple of years of decontenting. He doesn’t want to ‘invest’ further on maintenance/spares/repair capacity and infrastructure. The profit margin/cost reduction mania is killing the brand……..certainly not investing in it….beyond the talk, of course. Just think of the challenge of convincing a person about the status of your car you are wanting to sell - no driver controls, no service proof, castings possibly cracked etc. Best of luck.

My everyday car is 24 years old this year, 430,000 kms. Thats 3 batteries for a battery car and drives 1200kms on one fill up on a 3.8litre engine. Try that in a $80,000 Tesla

Yes, but to that extreme 😮

In a word - no. 8-)

Would exported cars also fall under SORN? A significant portion of used cars sold in Ireland pre Brexit were UK imports (not so many these days 😅)

I see nearly everyday first or second generation Zoe here in northern Ireland

All true..but with the new sales rules etc etc..they could be scrap,,from now.!..the info you gave is to this date..it's the value from now,, that's the problem.

Well put video, thanks for sharing the data.

Well I have confidence in my 2nd hand BMW i3. Bought a 3 year old 2019 it in 2022 with 18K its now 2024 and its got 24K and the battery is no different than when I got it. It will never rust anywhere unlike Telsa model 3 and Y's so my view is it will be a good car for many many years. Hey imagine in 5 more years when retrofit battery refitters are using more modern higher capacity cells as replacements. I may get an extra 30% range better than when new :-) battery tech will just get better over time :-) I have no worries.

Does it mean, that EV’s cannot be given back in part exchange for a new EV? Does it mean people stuck with them, or is it they are happy with their 10yr old EV?

I want to know who has a Sorn model S sitting on their drive!!!!?

Dont forget that a car for sale an a forecourt is also often SORN This will probably bring the total of these cars still on the road much nearer 100%

I see people paying to get rid of them when come to end there life because of dangerous batteries as get older

Ammonia

EVs will, unfortunately, be disposable "rubbish", once the powertrain or battery warranty has expired, if they have an inverter, motor or battery failure. This is not because they are necessarily unreliable but because high repair costs are making repairs uneconomic.

Factory s are not Battery electic Possible diesel electic when power cuts

Your point is they dont need the batteries replacement and costs will not be viable

How wonderful my EV is still on the road after ten years .why get over the moon about that .a ten year old car to me is like a new one .my car is 24 years old .an EV is only as good AS its battery and batteries don't last very long 😵😵😵😵

Stop it with the facts and evidence 😂

A fact no one is tL,ing about is the batteries once they need replacing you will also be liable E for the cost of recycling said batteries so double the cost of the battery

Best used vehicles are not EVS Petrol and diesel Are better overall

EBAY FULL OF BMW IQ3

All EVs should be scrapped.

EV are only as good as the guarantee Mercanics don't want to work on them. Standing on insulation mat and rubber gloves on And safety S hook to pull away The Electic shocked Mercanic Most ice cars are many more than 10 years old I will never have or waste my money on EV. I am waiting for the real future in motor transport So just keep dreaming

You are completely missing the point. The second hand EV market is completely broken and going to get worse. The 0% BIK meant leasing was a massive tax dodge. Now the ZEV mandate means main dealers are massively incentivised to sell new EV over 2nd hand. So they will not even touch a 2nd hand EV because they get £15k fine for not selling 20% new EVs.

At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage.

Not just junk but a fraud.

Of course the data doesn't take into account how many were stolen and stripped for parts. Those cars would improve the IC vehicle's figures to above 85%. Let's face it nobody is going to steal an EV. 🫢🫣