Are Living Saints Imperial Daemons? - 40K Theories 

Me: are the living saints Daemons of the Emperor? Inquisitor: the law requires that I say no

Main reason: Extention of the God Emperor's power and divinity. Other reason: Drawing pretty blonde angels in armor with flaming swords is pretty rad.

This video could be replaced by 15 minutes of Lorgar screaming of how he was right about everything.

You know the more I hear this theory about the Emperor and his potential as a Chaos god I wonder if Chaos miscalculated and have perhaps created a more dangerous foe in the long run.

Perhaps living saints can exist in the material realm longer than greater daemons because the Emperor exists in both the material realm and warp space unlike the chaos gods who exist in the warp.

If you end up revisiting the 'Emperor is a Chaos god' theory, don't forget to mention that the Chaos worshipers of the Sanguinary Worlds in the Sabbat sector revere the Emperor as a rouge Chaos God (from The Anarch).

I’d love to see a parodical perspective-flip story in which the poor citizens of a chaos world get infiltrated by imperial cultists who use their unholy faith to summon a bright crusade into the realm of eyespace, where the champions of chaos valiantly hold the line against hordes of skull-faced fiery legions of that blasphemous god-emperor, led by the dreaded greater demon known as “the saint” who casts feathery fury upon those brave/foolish enough to stand against her.

Living Saints: When your one job is to hold the line. Death be damned!

I hope to see Living Saint Sigismund one day, just to freak the hell out of Abbadon. After all it would be poetic justice to have him slay the Warmaster and fulfill his last words in the process

I think that given there are no accounts of living saints before the Emperor was put on the Golden Throne (increasing his presence in the warp) would suggest that they are in fact Imperial Daemons.

"Slain by Kharn" Heh, that Kharn. What a swell guy he is.

It's not a story the inquisition would tell you

I would say that Living Saints are the Emperor's daemon princes/princesses. Most seem to originally be mortal servants of the Emperor. Like how the chaos daemon princes were mortal servants of the chaos gods.

1:13 that storm trooper's just like "Hi Mum!" to the remembrancer.

Celestine literally goes outside of a ship as its flying through the warp to guide it in one book

Wait, there are people who _don't_ think that the Emperor has become a Chaos God with the Legion of the Damned as his Lesser Daemons and Living Saints as his Greater Daemons? Weird.

I have a lore theory for you Remeles. Lorgar was ALWAYS loyal He orchestrated the fall of Horus and got the lectitio as the state religion To empower the emperor to face the warp

Legion of the Damned AND Gaunt's Ghosts mentioned in the same 40K Theories video? The Emperor has TRULY blessed me this day!!

go with Saints being Demon Princes, Legion of Damned being Lesser Daemons and Sanguinor/Imperious being Greater Daemons

I guess that in the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium... There is hope, somewhere, a very, very small hope.

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeessssss.

Adeptus Notificatus, *_REPRESENT._*

*Start of video* : I swear if LotD doesn't get brought up... Edit: Okay, good.

Edit: in regards to the Cadian pylons, it could be possible also that the bulk majority of the warp energy comprising her body could come from the Astronomican, (Terra), which was unaffected by the pylons’ activation Considering how Celestine withered under the presence of the sisters of silence, I’d say this is a confident yes

I like the Idea that "faith" is becoming its own energy like the Warp is. seeing as it took millennia for the warp to essentially grow and become chaotic. "Faith" is to the warp as light is to dark. as it were therefore the saints are basically the "faith" version of daemons. but more so they are the entities of faith as daemons are entities of the warp. and while the Emperor may not have intended to be the first God of the Faith, the billions of human souls who now worship him have collectively made it so

I mean, there is clearly some warp fuckery going on here...

I'm not too sure about them being daemons or even daemon hosts. To deny their existence as extensions of the emperors divine power is to deny the emperors divinity as a whole and with the current environment of the 41st millennia, there are many instances which point toward him having attained godhood in the warp. A particular tale that comes to my mind is the events of a salamander short story in which a rampaging daemon engine that only grew in power and size as it destroyed the salamanders engaging it, was stopped by a lone silent sister who stopped the daemon by speaking it's true name and thus banishing it, while sacrifing her own purity and oath in the process. As seen in the battle against the prince of a thousand faces, the mere act of speaking a daemons true name could make even a mighty Grey Knight stagger to his knees and almost break him (Alaric), yet the sister never wavered or faltered, pointing towards her being a beacon through which the emperor spoke it's name. She couldn't have learned it's name through any kind of research, yet she knew it. The emperor might have denied his own divinity, when we walked amongst mankind. Yet as with all warp entities certain criteria has been met, in his case, through worship of his divinity, to make him a true God. The warp is the realm of chaos, but with chaos embracing all possible realities simultaneously, the rules of the realm or rather the lack thereof, would also dictate the existence of order or holiness.

Kharn is just a 40k verson of Kyle on Monster Energy drinks

I've long held the opinion that the Sister of Battle are the Emperor's orcs. They don't believe so much as they know their faith is true in the same way we might know gravity is a certainty. So if they are in a hopeless fight, they know the Emperor will send a champion to help and "poof" a living saint appears as they knew it would. I would love to see orcs and Battle Sisters face off and each side's beliefs escalate the battle. Orcs chanting Gork Mork until their Gods appear, then the Sisters manifest living saints to counter them, then more orcs show up and Gork and Mork get stronger until the Emperor's angels show up and go to town...because funny.

>imperial guard >highly trained I mean, that flashlight is pretty bright...

This is my favorite of the videos that espouse the "saints are daemons of the Emperor" position. It is possible that she uses the same technique as the Watchers in the Dark. This would also align with my theory that the Lion is actually "the Angel", the proto-primarch in a hidden, latent form. The Watchers in the Dark may have been known to the Emperor and he may have even been in contact with them at some point. Perhaps this is why the Emperor was without question as to the loyalty of the Lion.

I just came to make sure I saw no heresy.

MIND BLOWN: I listen to ALL of your stuff and love it... but I was POLEAXED to find my art at 11:58 in the video! Thank you for taking the time to give credit to all of us creators. It does mean a lot.

So basically they’re angels. Just as daemons are pieces of the chaos gods the living saints are pieces of the emperor.

For me, the Emperor is the god of order. And order is juste one of the possibilitys of chaos

Is this a reupload? Could've sworn you've already done a video on this. Edit: Ah, I see, remastered audio.

Could Sly Marbo be a living Saint? Just asking for a friend...

One again brother great videos!! I watched like 20 of your videos today!! 😆 great work brother

This was a really fun vid. Easily one of your best!

Technically everything can just be renamed to “warp beings” rather then Daemons. Not everything from the warp is evil, just a reflection

Thanks for doing this one again.

But hey, that’s just a theory... *A futuristic fictional grimdark theory!*

It makes perfect sense that Living Saints and the Legion of the Damned are “daemons” of the Emperor. It does seem like a total betrayal of the Emperor’s Imperial Truth though. He insisted that He was not a god and even punished those that worshipped Him as such, but only a god of some sort can create daemons and such and are powered by faith.

For Tanith! For The Emperor! First and Only!

Love your vids dude , how do you put all the pieces together so much lore

How dare thee? INQUISITORS! HERESY!

At the fall of cadia saint celestine appears to be awakened from sleep, begging to be left alone for some more time. It reminded me much more a dreadnought awakening than a warp living entity

Plus there's the fact that beings in the galaxy with warp presence believing in something will start to make it manifest in the warp. See: The gestating formation of a Tau god of the Greater Good. And well, there's been a lot more people believing that the Emperor is a god for a lot longer. This video also makes me think; given the likewise widespread of the Adeptus Mechanicus and thus the Cult of the Mechanicum, what if machine spirits are just minor warp entities of that belief? Daemons of the Omnissiah, if you will.

It should be obvious to everyone now that "The Emperor" in 40K is a type of Chaos god.

"HERE- Wait, are they?" -Last words spoken by an unnamed inquisitor behore shutting himself inside his office never to be seen again.

That stained glass window art at the end...so beautiful

I heard that the Warp is a reflection of the mind/soul so the idea humanity would inspire/create a warp being that was benevolent (at towards themselves) is not impossible just unlikely

To think that the Emperor may not be as celestial as the Chaos Gods yet they respect him and sees him a formidable foe Being called The Anathema is more a compliment than insulting

“The highly trained soldiers of the Astra Militarum” The imperial guard? Highly trained? What have you been smoking? You almost make it sound like the whole of the guard is made up of Kasrkins! - Commissar Aloysius Demolk, attached to the 239th Penal Regiment

Soooo maybe some day, maybe, kinda, we'll see Sanguinius, Malcador, Ferus, as Deamon Princes/Saints.

Wow the Background Music is epic!

Possibly warp manifestations but where the typical sort (chaos) would be represented by mankind's Id, this supernatural servant of the Emperor would be much closer to the super ego. Also, the Emperor is still physically anchored in the material plane. This may translate into some durability for the saints against traditional anti-warp devices. The Empire of Man itself is essentially holy ground, maybe acting like a galaxy spanning totem for the saints. I'm really curious to know what happens when the Emperor finally crumbles into dust or gets unplugged. (Besides the maelstrom of chaos which will engulf earth) Will he reincarnate again or be trapped as a deity in the warp? The option I get the most kick out of is that he becomes a full fledged god and he could directly battle the warp invasion with his loyal minions, material and supernatural, from within and without the breach on Terra. Imagine the Custodes furiously fighting off an almost immediate massacre of their forces within the holy throne just as a gleaming skyscraper sized golden forearm smites the warpspawn into paste and an immaculate voice thunders "I will always protect... but you should remain skeptical of hoary religions and uphold reason my children!"

Great vid had this theory for years and makes sense as the lore goes, I reckon this same theory can be applied to machine spirits to some degree.

Yes. o 3o

Thank you for this information. I did notice something strange about "Holy Relics" one of the books I was listening too had a Mute living relic who can banish any daemon the problem was she was mute, once she spoke her power disappeared. She had an aura of peace that put the Salamander's inner rage at peace.

Yes, Inquisitor, this video right here.

Living Saints appear to be good cases for “I’m to religious to die!”

1:30 let me tell you about the tyranids

Hey guys! So I am new to Warhammer 40k I will admit but I had an idea in reference to the segment at 15:36 in the video. What if the Pylons of Cadia's pushing back of the warp energy from the Eye of Terror doesn't effect the Saint's due to their energy flowing from "else where in the Warp", whatever or where ever that might be? Again I am new at 40K but could this be something valid? Been research for a month now to absorb as much of the lore as I am ablel as it is very amazing and rich. And this channel has been one of the two that I have enjoyed the most. Please keep it up!

If it walks like a demon and quacks like a demon, it's a demon.

so would this then mean that the remembrancer from the first few horus heresy books (cant remember her name) is like the first living saint, however at this time the emperor did not have the power/ influence to fully make her like the others that we know but was still able to empower her?

=][= Heretical, Purge at once =][=

I think it's Malcador the Sigilight who created the living Saints because the Saints are those who are fueled with power borne from faith in the Emperor, something the Emperor formerly opposed. I think Malcador didn't die but took on the mantle of the "God Emperor" after his unwavering devotion to the Emperor was redefined in the Warp turning him into the equivalent but less powerful version of a Chaos God of Faith in the Emperor. Even with all our fangasming the Emperor cannot defeat all the Chaos God's alone and is only fighting them to a stand still while Malcador fuels those who are Faithfull to the Emperor, the troops take the form of the Emperor's avenging angels The space marine Legion of the dammed, and the greater deamons are only those who have given themselves fully to their faith in the Emperor, like a cultist would for any other Chaos God. This makes sense when you realize how Malcador built the Inquisition and that the Saints happen to be Women, Malcador wanted the Primearchs to be Sisters. I think the Emperor has not ever stoped fighting back against Chaos and Malcador is still managing as best he can the power of the Empire on his behalf, now in the form of a Warp entity deffined by his faith in the Emperor.

This sounds awesome and jives well with the Warp God aspect of the Emperor's projection into the Immaterium. Angels to match the Four's demons. Archangel Celestine sounds badass.

As for the pylons: I’d say that Celestine had a stronger tether to reality, unlike never borne that are purely warp creatures, and legion of the damn are not as powerful as a saint. If saints are manifested from the emperor, he was born and lived in real space and is still in between states of thing now, so she could be tide to reality because of this and/or originally being a human and being infused with the emperor’s power. This all might be an anchor that a purely warp based manifestation does not hold in common with a saint. The legion of the damn may be more of a manifestation or simply be lessor Daemons in comparison.

A nice bedtime story. Hope I have dreams of Celestine.

Well, I think it's a question of whether or not the immaterium can be said to have more domains than those we call Chaos. If that's possible then yeah I think we could say they're warp entities. It's really up to GW to explore that possibility.

I'd love to see Living Saints as a non-named HQ in the next Sister's Codex. Give them customizable options like wings or no wings if we're wishlisting. Be nice to create your own Living Saint and not have to just run it as a Celestine proxy.

That pic with a Living Saint and Magos near the end makes me think. What's the AdMech's take on Living Saints?

Daemons of the Imperial Order? My, my. Trazyn, eat your metal heart out.

What if living saints are just avatars made up of possitive warp energy?

Horus Mortally Wounds Emperor Emperor:If You Strike me Down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

1:20 - That dude on the left with the plasma gun like "are you fucking kidding me?".

Would it be possible that Celestine would have avoided being banished due to the sheer level of reverence by the nearby forces? Or possibly that she was fully bound to the body she possessed through the armor providing an anchor against the pylons power?

We know that belief and faith can have a powerful effect in the Warp. We also know that there is an individual whose teachings not only started a new branch of the Imperial Cult, but whose exploits became so legendary that the entire Departmento Munitorum officially refuses to believe that he is dead, and keeps him listed as being on Active Duty even after he was buried with full military honours. It therefore stands to reason that Commissar Ciaphas Cain in fact is a Living Saint, and will return to aid the Imperium whenever there is a crisis of too much amasec.

Any chance for a new Voidwar episode in the near future? (Fiaura said she's ready for it)

So, They could be 'Greater Daemons' of Order. Looking at the amount of Moorcock influence on the mythos of 40K that would be a better description.

I wonder, if the psychic awakening really is continuous "spells", will allow you to make your own living saint? I'd really enjoy the flavor of one of my characters ascending mid fight to turn the tide.

I NEEED a Saint Sabbat model now. I NEED IT. She looks so bad ass

More akin to Daemon princes than standard demons (legion of the damned)

The armor celestine found is more likely to be like phoenix lord armor that holds the energy of those who have worn it in the past and it gets stronger as more people wear it and die in it. It would be easier to use an ancient t suit to make a Saint rather than expending the power necessary to create one from a viable host so whoever makes saints could have directed celestine to the armor if that's what the lore says.

The Emperor creating the Damned Legion and Living Saints: Welp, if ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Emperors wifey....lol... No but seriously, if they are created from his mind or spirit, the aspect, or the spirit inside the living saint could be his formerly mortal lover, that is if he had one, or a woman who made an impression/impact upon his psyche... Who really knows though... Good video as always...

9:47 Now i keep wanting an idol living saint singing a parody of material girl

Could they be a tiny fragment of the Emperor’s soul inhabiting a worthy person?

Being that the emperor’s creation was literally identical to that of a Chaos god but on a smaller, controlled scale (collective warp energy and psychic power), his need for warp energy to keep him alive, and his ability to change reality and defy it. I think its safe to say that the emperor is a chaos god and all these living saints and supernatural astartes are akin to Daemons. In fact, I’d say the creation of the Primarchs was an attempt to replicate the power of Greater Daemons, all of them have incredibly strong warp signatures and can stand toe to toe with Unclean ones, Bloodthirsters, Lords of Changes, and Keepers of secrets outside of the immaterium and arguably within.

Yes. Next question?

Flashbacks to The Grey Knights books

I'd like to see the effect of the pylons on an Avatar of Knaine or a Wraithlord, both alternative methods of reincarnation to a degree, but I think the idea she's just that powerful is probably right

The Emperor was not originally a god, but has become one. You cannot change my mind.

All things are possible when we put our faith in Him on Terra

The Emperor is the Chaos God of Piety now. An ironic fate on many levels.

Saint Sabbat is my favorite :) But tabletop I'd have to say Saint Katherine is pretty dope.

Inquisition: “It checks out, but don’t say it again.”

I think that there is the posibility of them being Greater Daemons of the emperor but opposed to the GD of the Dark Gods which are created by beings of pure chaos entirely from their own essense and power, the Living Saints were once mortal souls (inmaterium energy in and of itself gifted with conciousness) that the God Emperor, hallowed be his name, endowed with power to the point of transforming said soul into a Greater Daemon of his own, it might be this difference in method that produces this different results, for example being able to withstand the Cadian Pylons or other such differences with their chaotic counterparts