Are M2 Pro and M2 Max a BAD VALUE? 

You should rename the title to something like "Buying used M1 Macbooks in 2023 - worth it?". Not much was actually said about the M2 Pro and M2 Max. I am buying a 16" M1 Max 32c 1TB 32GB for £1900 and can say this video will be very useful for anyone looking at something similar.

I love that you're always able to pull out banger deals, as well as banger music in your videos. Awesome job!

I got my M1 Max top-end from apple refurbished, and I couldn't be happier. I'll use this thing for 5 years just like I did with my 2018 MacBook air. Used MacBooks are the greatest kept secret ever.

I think the Intel Macs are holding up their price because of Bootcamp support. It’s two laptops in one for a lot of people. And Bootcamp is better than Parallels.

I have a 2021 M1 Pro Macbook Pro 14" and haven't heard the fan yet. I do video and audio for home studio. Blender, Obs, Reaper all play well together and still haven't heard the fan kick on. Great machine, buy used if you can and get Apple Care if you're old like me or a klutz also like me it's cheaper in the long run. Great channel, thanks for the tips!

Very useful work 👍 simply explained. Great.

I just bought the older version of the MacBook Pro 14-inch, just like you had. I bought it from Best Buy as an open box for about $1,700 with tax. But it has a one-year warranty.

I think that second hand deals is where it's at. I recently picked up a base model M1 Macbook Pro 13" for the equivalent of 370usd!! It had been dropped and there is a small dent on one corner, and a small crack in the corner glass. But it's within the black bezels of the screen, so doesn't affect viewing at all. It was an absolute steal, and more than enough for my casual usage (I have a primary desktop computer). Battery health was 100% too with only a handful of cycles.

I've just sold my M1 pro macbook pro, because I wanted more ram and storage, should I put the trigger for an m2 chip macbook with 32 gb and 1 tb or should I just buy the m1 with 32 gb ?

I just bought a brand new M1 MacBook Air from Best Buy for $800. I think it’s a pretty sweet deal and if you don’t need the power and ports save your money. Honestly I was considering the m2 max but I decided to go with the least expensive brand new and lightest MacBook (maybe m2 lighter). I’m happy with all my money I didn’t spend and I have a good MacBook

One consideration buying refurbished is warranty and vendor reliability. I've bought Apple reconditioneds in the past, and they're all still running today - 2006 MBP1,1; 2010 MBP6,2; and 2015 MBP11,5 (great machine, BTW!) It was hard to beat Apple's price on a refurb'd 2021 16" M1 Pro 16GB/1TB, so bought one. Arrived yesterday... going back today, on their dime. Would not run without charger attached; battery 'charge' at 34%, orange light, but not charging. Called Apple last night hoping they had a magic fix, but no. So this sort of thing can happen, but if it does, no other seller I'd rather deal with than Apple. Another consideration is that the tight security on the M1/M2 machines makes it at least possible they're not properly wiped and re-verified (wrong term?). I think that might mean needing original owner ID/password. [Don't know the work-around for the fingerprint sensor.] For these and other unsavory reasons, I wouldn't consider e-Bay.

2015 Retina is still king when it comes to intel Macs. I have a few 2015s and a 16" M1. Awesome combo.

i'm looking to buy my first macbook, is better a macbook air or a pro? my budget is very limited, so i was thinking of picking up the base model, here in italy there is only 100€ of difference between the air and the pro (both with M2 8 core CPU but the pro has the 10 core GPU) is it worth it for going with the 10 core GPU? nobody does the base model vs base model comparison of the macs AFAIK. Thanks for any reply. Have a nice day

2019-2020 intel macs has also have a problem with SSD controller that can dies without any reason, and your data is gone.

I bought my 2019 MacBook Pro 16" before Apple Silicon came out and maxed it out aside from storage. On the one hand, I want to get a newer Apple Silicon MacBook for all the great additions but at the same time, I find myself sticking it out with my current MacBook because Bootcamp support is something I need or at least prefer. I think Bootcamp is one reason why some people will continue to desire the Intel Macs.

I paid $1600 for my MBP 16" M1 Pro and it is possibly one of the best value computers I have ever owned.

great video man

You can get base 16" 2019s here in the UK from around £750 in really good condition.

08:55 I guarantee that laptop was used in some kind of live/travel entertainment use - DJ, live sound, A/V. If they don’t have proper road cases, they’ll get pretty banged up.

I have my original 15 inch late 2013 MacBook Pro and my M1 MacBook Air. I'm perfectly happy with the tech I already have.

Which Mac do you use for your video editing? And which software? Just curious.

8:48 - this MacBook looks like it went through the jerryrigeverything durability test a few times. 😂

i would like to have a video talking about apple care in which case worth to have it. great content!

I got a second hand MBP M1 max 32GB, 1TB. The same week the M2 versions came out for only £1050 ($1200) . Deal of the century. It's a beast so powerful.

Do an M1 Ultra vs M2 Max comparison

I’ve seen absolutely incredible deals for 14” & 16” mbp. I’d honestly say it’s one of the best spec mac to ever come out

I recently bought a refurbished 16" M1 Max | 32GB RAM | 1TB SSD MacBook. I think it's well worth the savings because the M1 Max already was extremly fast and the M2 Max is just a bit more extremely fast which only matters in specific workloads. Note on the battery cycles: be careful with that. There can be a machine with < 10 cycles and a really bad battery condition because it was used at a charger permanently.

How are the speakers on the M2 compared to the M1 ?

I just picked up a Mac Mini M2 Pro base machine and it rocks.

Love the wallpapers. Can you please share the wallpaper links?

It all boils down to how one buys Apple Macs. Some want to upgrade almost every year, others (like me) want to buy the very best thing available at any given time and then keep it for 5-7 years. Apple has certainly made the more difficult in the Apple Silicon era. It may not be practical anymore to count on 5-7 years from ANY mac product.

The 14 inch macbooks seem to have even more value now as there around the price of the 13 inch macbooks when refurbished...damn

Waiting for 2019 max pro to come down. I have a lot of need to upgrade when the price is right. Can’t use something without PCIe slots

I upgraded from a late 2013 retina i7 and I got the 12c 32gb 1tb m2 pro.. its like wright brothers planes into f18s

I’ll be likely looking at getting a 14” MacBook Pro at the end of next year (or early 2025) in prep for Uni, it’s probably too early to tell but would it be better to buy a brand new M3 version (which M3 should definitely be out by then), or get a refurbished or used M2 version? I won’t be considering the M2/M3 Max, only the M2/M3 Pro as I simply don’t need that power for an IT bachelor’s degree. I’d only consider an M2 Max 14” then if there was a crazy deal on one. It’ll also be my first Mac as well

I can agree with the pricing on Intel being funky. I was on the search for a dual graphics 2015 MacBook Pro 15" and kept finding 2017 Retina macbook pros for less, in good condition. And on occasion would find a refurb Retina Macbook with a new battery for £299. Though i was able to snag one up with 102 cycles for £279

Man I was looking into getting a base refurb Mac Studio for a desktop, but now I don’t know what to do.

You ask why the older machines are higher in price than the M1 14 “ models… Hey, I lost 1000 bucks of music programs when I made the mistake of switching to Fat 64 on my 2015 MacBook Pro. I am looking to get another 2015 model to revive my programs which are outright purchases that I don’t have to pay stupid subscription fees for. There are lots of reasons to buy older models no?

You can buy AppleCare+ within 60 days of your device purchase, but it changes here in italy within 30 days.. but luckily for Eu clients we have 2 years coverage mandatory for any seller.. so also apple gives 2 years included.

Great video as usual! Thanks for an informative video again. Love hearing your views. Wondering if you feel a used M1 Pro is better value than an M2 Air today even for casual users as well. Given the new prices - seems so to me! Interested in your view too.

hey luke, does the 12 core m2 pro run too hot in the 14 inch? should i wait for the m3 pro to see if they run cooler in the 14 inch?

There must be a catch. No sane person would want to sell a MacBook at such a low price, if it is still in perfect condition. Apple products don't depreciate so fast.

Could you make a video about how to buy on eBay safely? Pretty scared of the place

In Austria, too, used Macs, with the M1 and the latest Intel, are often more expensive than the new M1 or M2

Can any of you all help me im upgrading from an iPhone 7 Plus and i cant make up my mind if i go for a cheaper used iPhone 13 pro max (256gb) or the new iPhone 14 pro Max (256gb) please help me

I totally agree with your investigations on the used market and just decided to get a used Mac Studio with M1 Max 32GB and 32C GPU instead of a new Mac mini M2 pro. Got a deal for 1750€.

just picked up a MacBook Air at Costco for 799 pretty fast I'm impressed

I like that the new refurbished iPads at Apple come with brand new batteries. I’m not sure about laptops though.

Thanks for a great video. This channel is seriously where I go before deciding to buy anything Apple. I suppose I'll just sit here with my M1 for a bit longer.

Why haven't you sold the older laptop you showed, while the prices are still inflated?

Lol nice editing mistake 7:00. But honestly great video, glad to see used Apple Silicon getting cheaper, that's where the best deals will be for the next few years.

Picked up an M1 MacBook Pro 1tb 16gb 100% battery for 800 love it

There is a lot of compatibility issues with the M1 and M2 graphics chips. A lot of monitors especially ultra wide have issues trust me I know.. can’t say how but I do, specific models of ultra widescreen monitors have issues such as flickering and lines across the display.

Hey max, can you please make a video about framework laptop

when you do eBay searches you should filter by sold and completed listings, you find the prices more accurate.

If I'm not mistaken, a refurbished 14" [M1 Max 10cpu 32gpu - 32gb ram - 1tb ssd] costs roughly the same as a 14" [M2 Pro 12 cpu 19gpu - 16gb ram - 1tb ssd]. If you had both machines in those configuration I think it would be a useful comparison. There's the idea of spending less, that you express on this video, but also the alternative of spending the same for getting a once more powerful machine.

Used Macs are cool but what about the SSDs? In Older Intels like 2015 or Airs you can replace the drives but not in AS. It's not as simple...

I swapped my 2020 13 inch for a 14 late last year…pants-shitting difference

which is why I can't ever sell my 2018 13" MBP. There is no way I can get enough for it to make it worth it to sell.... so, I'm pretty much screwed. Same with me 9900k iMac.

I have an i9 15" I am looking to sell. Where is the best place to list or sell?

You are the best at Art of the Value The M 3eeeeeeee is the Call of the wild

Why? I have a MacBook Pro m2 pro and I’m super happy with it

You gotta love how cheap US prices are, cheapest 16" M1 MBP in Oz is over AU$2k

Best mac youtuber but I will never understand why you changed the pinkish æsthetic for a lumberjack one

I just ordered a 14 inch M2 Pro Macbook Pro (12CPU-19GPU) 16gb ram, 1TB ssd for $2000 from BestBuy….but its an Open Box (for NEW its $2500). Do you think thats a good deal or should I have bought a cheaper used M1 Pro?

I have a 16" intel macbook pro that my work requires me to use. I look forward to next year when I am eligible for an upgrade. I just hope that the 3rd generation of Apple Silicon is out then.

I was at an art college and everyone had Intel Mac's. But they were running Windows on them.

I think the pro and max line of M chip should be updated to the next gen at least every 2 and half year to ensure people will buy it.

I sold my Macbook Pro 16 M1 Pro base model for another with 1 TB SSD. Getting the M1Pro with 1TB new was almost just as expensive as the M2Pro new. So thats what I got. Sold the old one for 1800€. I dont buy things this expensive used, there is no warranty. If it craps out, you spent 1800€ for nothing....and there are gross people out there aaaand yes...for the "new mac smell" BUT 1200€ to get into the Macbook Pro realm with the 14" is CRAZY!

The M3 MacBook Air looks like it’s going to be a M2 so M3’s are maybe next year. I would love a video on best way to migrate from one MBP to another since you buy new ones all the time.

In the past, in the Intel Mac era, I would never have purchased anything other than a MBP. But Apple Silicon has changed the equation, AND my needs have changed. 15 months ago I purchased an M1 MBA, and it’s an amazing machine. I would like a 14”-15” screen, so if the 15” MBA does come out, and the pricing is right, I might upgrade and sell my M1 MBA. But that depends on the specs and price, because the M1 MBA is truly an amazing machine.

Tell casekoo to add images of the magic stand case in a standing view. There isn't even 1 pic of the case being used as a stand! I know this video has it, but anyone just going to the site won't see it.

Good episode, Luke. I always enjoy a great value when buying the previous year's Apple product. I don't buy into the hype - the latest device is xx% faster than the previous version. Buy last year (excluding the 13" M1 MBP - junk) and enjoy saving a few $4.

Watching this on MBA mid 2012 😢

Old school Luke, going back to pricing Macs on reseller sites.

B&H has a 14 inch M1 Max with 64 GB and 2 TB for 2499. Almost picked up a M2 Pro with 16 GB/1 TB for the same price.

Is £1200 a good price for an m1 pro macbook pro 14?

This reminds me of the M1 MBA vs M2 MBA debate.

The one thing the intel macs have is windows support. That might be useful for a dev who needs to develop for mac and windows.

Yep once again the prices are cheaper in the states.. used to be cheap back then .😢

I got MacBook Pro 14 16/512 1500 from best buy brand new . An I’m very happy with it. An its m1

Luke, I understand you can't install Linux on M1 and M2 Macs, true?

Should I pick the 14 or a maxed m2 air?

For normals I would say yes purchase Apple refurbished, or used.

Hi Luke, I bought a Mac mini with 16 GB ram and a TB of storage, which I have coupled with a Samsung 28.5 inch HDR screen (a good deal under 250 Euro) and I use this to work from home, which is excellent as I have a Gigabit Ethernet connection to the net. I don't buy a laptop anymore because I have to use my HP Windows CRAP laptop for work. Although that one has 32 GB of memory, I don't care about it, because whatever strength this machine might have, it still has WINDOWS.

How many checkered shirts does Luke have?

The intel ones are more portable. Also, they're still used by professionals who require virtualization (a ton of pros in the tech industry). Pen testers like me need an intel-based machine so we could run windows server VM's along with kali.

You’re right, all the way down the lineup. I bought the M1-nothing 13-inch MacBook Pro just a few months before the M2 version replaced it. Got a great “clearance” deal on one with 16GB/1TB specs, like new certified-refurb under warranty. It’s the best Mac I’ve owned. For what I do, I’m good at least until M3 (even M4). Apple will support M1 with latest MacOS for a long time. For most people, M1 from late 2020 is more than enough power, even in 2023.

I keep my phone in the case and hate finger prints on it. I don't let people touch the phone with out the case. So when i sell it its perfect. If i ever had the money to buy mac boo pro I'd do the same thing and get a keyboard cover and other stuff but I'm never going to be able to buy one, there too expensive :(

These models are worth it but the base models with the slower SSDs are a tougher buy vs M1 models with better SSDs. This in combination with massive price increases outside of the US (here in the U.K. about £300 like for like) grabbing a M1 Pro even new is a better deal

I paid £30 for my macbook pro 5,5. No hard drive but I had a few spare, so managed to fix it. I've now got ventura running on it fine and given it to the wife as I'm now renting a 14,7 for £35 a month!

I'd probably buy a M2 Pro 16" laptop if I had to purchase one today!

I'm still keeping my 2019 16inch i7 Intel MacBook Pro as it is till good. I only hear the fans when I run a Cinebench test. Obviously the new M2 MacBook Pros are much better. The killer sweet spot machines were the M2 pro Mac minis. But an M3 MacBook Air could be really good if it performs as expected and Apple don't cheap it out with a slow ssd and low ram. What ever happened to 'insanely great'.

I just bought a Core 2 Duo Polycarbonate MacBook for £20. Cheap SSD and 4GB RAM I'm all in for £44. If I want to edit video I'll use Apple Silicon, but it's crazy the deals out there on the ancient but still usable stuff. What times we live in!

On one side i am a bit annoyed by the fact that i paid over a year ago beside the student discount „full price“ for a 16“ M1 Pro base model considering now affordable 1TB and even 32GB Ram versions. On the other side i waited already very long with my 2010 15“ MacBook Pro to upgrade, 12 years is enough. Luckily M2 doesnt give that much more (especially for my usecases its pretty much the same!) As soon Apple has 32GB Ram and 2TB+ base models and the 16/512 M1 Pro isnt enough i upgrade again, until that day the M1 Pro will serve me well as the 2010 did for long.

I just got the 16 inch M1 Max with 32 gpu cores and 64GB ram and 2TB SSD. Parallels has come a long way on apple silicon, you can play some games inside a windows 11 install on the M1 chip. So the loss of bootcamp isn't so bad. Overall the M1 Max laptop is the best one I have ever had by far. If you can afford it, get the decked out model, you won't regret it later. Well maybe dont go above 2TB on the SSD

You sounded a little bit like a max tech guy on RU-vid. 😂

When you produced this video I was like: Pff, no I am not upgrading my 16" M1 Pro MBP, three, maybe four months later I sold my 16" as soon I saw the prices drop, though here in Canada is it a little slower with the price drops. I got the 14" M2 MAX and this time I did not skimp on the memory (but I also did not completely go overboard), and it was the best decision I made, Apple refurbished is the way to go, and luckily they were available here. They were not at the first time I looked, so I was not that enticed to upgrade. Having a plethora of horsepower and memory is really making the experience very spiffy.

Yeah..my budget is limited.. 😂

Aaaand... NO, things are not like that over the pond as of now. Maybe a little later? We'll see. I'm OK with that if "later" is just a few months, but not if that's at the end of the year or next year even. We'll see.