Arma 3 Tutorial/Guide - Sentry Remover: Using the ASP-1 Kir 

Yeah ikr, asp is deadly as fuck, once u used to it. When i was playing koth long time ago, i think its 2017, me and my team mates were doing insertion to Zaros map using hummingbird from direction of opfor base iirc, the landing zone is a forest surrounding the city. Once we landed, we were ambushed by two or three enemy infantry, the first enemy who attacked us was a marksman with ASP KIR, phew - phew, 3 or 4 of us down, and one of my teammate was saying "Silent Death" LOL.

SteelBadger13 AS VAL FOR LIFE!

***** as val was my fav on battlefield 3

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SteelBadger13 Hmm I don't genereally dislike the ASP... And i loved stalker.... But i still can't figure out the connection... The AS VAL and VSS Vintorez didn't perform that different from the other guns, from what I remember...

AS VAL and the VSS Vintorez feature a sharp bullet drop because the 9x39mm rounds they fire IRL are heavy. And since they are subsonic rounds to boot they are slower. The ASP is basically the same thing. But in shortneck 12.7mm (which is a real round, the ASP is a real rifle, just that IRL its bullpup)

Me too!

DJ Lambda On a dev livestream the creative director specifically cited the VSS and VKS rifles (the latter of which shares the Kir's caliber).

very cool

They might use the same sound for the vss in dayz.

DJ Lambda Vintorez is not so loud. Its an analog of VSSK Vihlop

Orin Polansky not really, Vihlop is to my knowledge, first silenced large cal sniperrifle, has 12,7mm bullet, while vintorez has a 9mm round.

KhanOnRU-vid Gaming Channel iirc OperatorDrewski's vid said pretty much the same thing (the round is really slow because it is meant to be a stealth weapon so you need to very accurately zero the weapon) He never said the weapon was broken and in fact defended it

+John J I actually make my own range cards on a notepad so that I don't have to keep using the rangefinder if I'm not using a Nightstalker scope on it. lol That being said, I usually use the ASP-1 when I'm anticipating close quarters combat.

+John J Absolutely agree, I love hitting long (3-500m) range shots with this in ACE3. It's oh so satisfying.

Actually, it's rather useful in urban environments if you keep a CQB scope that ranges to 100m stowed in your pack for such an event. If you're aiding an assault, it can be used to great effect when flanking the enemy. Furthermore, it's just as useful in silent environments, where players are accustomed to hearing at least the sonic crack, and can be left off guard as they approach the window you'd been using as a sniper perch. In fact, I've seen stealth-focused players cut through occupied towns to reach objectives before the majority of the defenders even knew they were under attack. As a frequent Invade & Annex player (and yes, the lower volume DOES effect AI), a personal favorite strategy of mine is to keep a CQB modded ASP in a carryall pack, and bring an MAR or LLR as my primary weapon. When I run out of rounds, the line of skirmish moves close enough to an urban environment that far sniper support is not effective, or I just run out of targets, I'll swap weapons and serve as a forward scout assassinating any stray units I come across and providing extra intel to my team. If you bring some explosive charges, this can also make a half-decent tank buster setup if you don't mind getting a bit risky. Basically, moral of the story, keep a holosight tucked in whatever spare inventory space you can muster, and you'll have the ultimate infiltration and ambush weapon on demand.

thespartanmk1 As far as .45 ACP and .300 BLK, there is still merit to using smaller-caliber rounds. Namely, magazine size. If you can only hold a dozen rounds, you have to be careful and make sure that your shots count and that you don't find yourself too heavily outnumbered. With a vented 9mm, you can still put rounds on target, though it might take more of them, and still have a sizable capacity. The point of a suppressor is more to quiet the noise that radiates in all directions from a gunshot anyway, not so much the target downrange that you're shooting at. More to make sure any reinforcements aren't alerted rather than not letting your target know he's under fire, though that is still obviously beneficial.

It's just as when you try to make difference between WW2 Welrod pistol and the German Luger.

+Bruno Dzogovic Your comment was posted quite a while ago, but I still want to correct you: yes, the ASP-1 is designed similar to the Vintorez, but it's based off the VSSK (VKS) rifle. It uses 12,7x55 cartridge, it's silent and it's intended for disabling light armored vehicles\taking out guards from 600m away.. The only difference - the VSSK is bullpup unlike the Kir. And its range is reduced in Arma. I hope this helps you.

+BrainSeepsOut The ammunition seems to be very similar to if not identical to/specifically that used in a bullpup bolt-action rifle called the VKS (aka VSSK), whereas the Vintorez's 9 x 39 mm... not sure that a 'proper' analogue in Arma 3 comes to mind, I'm afraid.

Casamiiir There is no way a tutorial will help you, only thing that will help you is practice. What I'd suggest is making a scenario in the ARMA 3/2 editor where there's just a bunch of soldiers walking on a road and then you engage them from the side.

Casamiiir Well, if you have a scope with mil-dots, it's always seemed to me to be between 2-3 mil-dots lead at about 300 meters on a target moving directly perpendicular to the shooter at Arma's normal "jogging" pace. Anything more specific than that is a function of practice and trial and error.

Uri Thraburn Not quite -- the round (12.7 x 54 mm) comes from the VKS, a bullpup "intended for special operations that require silent firing and penetration much superior to that provided by 9×39mm VSS silenced sniper rifle."

I realize that they are technically different but operationally they are almost identical and that is what I was excited about.

aaron4820 You probably just need to adjust your traking settings. Make it less sensitive in the middle of your view so you can hold it steady easier.

aaron4820 If you don't have precision on, I'd highly suggest it. I don't have that issue because precision keeps it smoothly centered.

Thanks guys I'll try those for now, but both of those options just sound like a workaround, the fact that you can look beyond the scope and still get the magnification is clearly not a designed feature, or else you would have been able to hold alt and look around, but you can't, it's only with TrackIR where you can look beyond the boundary.

aaron4820 Your right that its not designed to be able to be magnified looking out of the scope (therefore a bug, should totally report on bugtracker). However, the TrackIR being able to look around during ADS is a feature, even if it doesn't work with alt. TrackIR exclusive :)

Wade Pritchard Yeah I've reported it on the feedback system, hopefully they'd fix it one day. I agree with the ability to look around with red dot sights and iron sights is entirely realistic though, I use that often, it's realistic to look around the sight when the gun is shoulders and face pressed against the stock, it's just not for the low magnification sights :)

spiced I believe the AS VAL, VSS, and VKS are all able to be broken down into the receiver, stock, and barrel for transporting in, say, a backpack for just that reason, but I could be wrong. And as far as a gameplay mechanic, maybe it would be better suited to a pistol (although it is still very useful at medium range, 200-300 meters, far past where a pistol is effective, you just have to be sure about your ranging) but Arma, even with fictional weapons, tries to simulate real life and, in this case, the VKS rifle.

And also in the hands of a player that mastered stealth and ballistics. Those arc shots are no joke since no one can figure out where the shots are coming from, and high arc shots using heavy rounds mean that even at low speed they deal a lot of damage to poorly armored targets, while at close range it goes through heavy armor without making a large noise.

+alex “alextheromanian” theromanian Git yourself some mods son. CUP, HLC, ACE3. Hop to it.

Pedro Portela In the new marksmen update, some of the new additions included new armour vests for NATO and CSAT which provide better protection but more weight.

Pedro Portela It came with the new Marksmen DLC. Since it replaces default units with that vest instead of the old one I'm pretty sure you do not have to own the DLC to use it.

sillyslapper92 They changed NATO GL and Special carrier rigs to the new heavily armored ones. As well the AAF GL carrier. But not CSAT.

Thank you gentlemen for your clarification, since my unit has rolled back the patch due to the latest entanglement with the mods community i didnt see them yet. Many thanks.

+1911Shields On the other hand, CSAT have the only armoured ghillie suits.

gostrydr It's meant to be an evolution of those weapons. A3 is set in 2035, IIRC.

Evolution tends to make things better and fill a wider nitch. This weapon is the opposite. The only thing it does better is the stopping power. I'm sure the weapons I mentioned will still be valid in 2035. For the same reasons they included the m14 variants.

The Vintorez has really really REALLY short range and uses a super special 9mm round, compared to the Kir that fires 50 caliber rounds and is more silent. It's a good move to put in the Kir because basically it does a better job than its predecessor and sometimes vintage guns (Talking 2035 here) like the Vintorez are fun, but not good guns by that time period.

***** VSS and VAL are effective out to about 200-300 meters, and are much more accurate than the ASP-1 at those ranges.

***** The 9x39mm is not a "super special" round at all as it is used in many different weapons. It can penetrate 2cm of steel at 500m. The 12.7x55 can penetrate 1.6cm of steel at 200m, and it is only used in one weapon. A 12.7mm projectile flying past you is going to make more noise than a 9mm one. The 12.7mm needs more pressure to force it out of the barrel than the 9mm thus also making the muzzle signature louder due to the increased amount of gas escaping. So to sum it up, the Kir has less range, is less effective at range, has a louder projectile, and the muzzle report is louder. How exactly is it better? I can provide sources if you would like.

what is the point in online gaming of using subsonic ammo when they still hear the gun in a few hundred meters...what is effective range

gloryhit more like VKS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VKS_sniper_rifle , at least in terms of ballistics and calliber, while visually it's an oversized VSS/VAL.

+ipropain I'd recommend just getting the one in the CUP weapons pack. CUP and all the HLC weapon packs have given me more guns than I'd ever know what to do with.

Christian Friis Sørensen Okay well I'll check that out. thanks

+xxmonsterteexx Nightstalker scope, it's one of CSAT's little tech wonders.

Hellghast1109 20 Euros for the bundle is not a bad deal at all, if you play Arma 3 daily its definitely worth the purchase.

Hellghast1109 The two MMGs the DLC adds were enough for me, I don't care about marksman rifles that much. Although the reload animation on the Mk14 is pure sex.

1911Shields I don't have an interest in the helicopters or go carts. I had jumped onto a server last night and someone had this DLC, so I was able to try all the weapons out. I was impressed by this update/DLC. The ability to better control recoil and now the use of bi-pods and these new rifles had me sold.

Peacemuser Yep, a unofficial release has been released . Look on Armaholic

+LigerBans Close quarters sniper rifle.