the funniest thing about that is that the rverse flash is meant to be more powerful than the flash so he would heal quicker and the flash had his back broken by zoom and recovered quite well so the reverse flaash acted in pain like the wrist thing would be very painful and lasting when it wouldnt
I love the fact that there was the viberating hand of one of the most powerful speedsters in his face, and Dark Arrow didn't even flinch.... The Savagary
He cant snap the kryptonians neck that easy and even if he could KARA has super speed too she would see him coming......and that would be the ending of thawne
I'll be honest, I feel Tom Cavanaugh owned both Stephen Amell and Melissa Benoist as the villains. I feel Amell basically played Dark Arrow basically the same as regular Arrow and Melissa was a little over the top as Overgirl. To be fair, Cavanaugh does have prior experience playing RF.
@@adamwilsonian7243 they are very different. I like Stephen but his range of acting isn't really broad. Hell even as Casey Jones he was Oliver in flashbacks before the island like him punching reporters.
@@absoluteecho6152 well he also always blushed around her and said from the beginning he wanted Oliver to be into Kara and disregarded the directions that Oliver should be angry with her in the first crossover. Plus kept talking about Oliver being smitten. One can still have a celebrity crush if you’re married.
ooohh he can crush her heart can he, then why didn't he do that to superman when he fought him, oh that's right because he doesn't have the strength to do so
how would he know what density to vibrate at. plus if he fought superman he'd be trying to kill him because you don't mess around with someone like that
there's a world of difference between having someone phase threw you and having the right frequency to crush his heart, not to mention if he tried doing that he'd lose his arm plus if he could do all of this then why didn't he kill her right there and then, because he can't
alright then we're going with real world logic, nothing has been stated that reverse flash can move at light speed because no physical object actually can, the closest anything can get is 99% which Kryptonians should be able to move at if the speedsters can considering in the comics these characters are way faster than the speed of light. in that case he wouldn't be able to move any faster than her so he wouldn't be able to kill her so your argument of reverse flash could kill them in two seconds is invalid
Oisin Van Niekerk Yes, but Thawne is faster than Superman and they don’t really need to be stronger they just need to be smart and faster. Also I’m not sure if he phased through her in the crossover or just made a speed mirage, but I’m pretty sure he phased through her so if that is the case Thawne I have no doubt can as well.
Oisin Van Niekerk Didn’t Captain Cold get beaten by Barry? Come to think of it so did Kara in the Dominator crossover. It doesn’t matter who’s stronger when it comes to fights. It matters who has more fluid movements and who has the bigger brain. Same goes for Batman v Superman. Batman wins because he’s smarter. Same thing applies here. Professor Zoom could outsmart Supergirl just like Barry.
Oisin Van Niekerk 1st of all: I was countering ur she could just freeze him argument 2nd of all: Fair point, but he still had the brains to outsmart which means Thawne most likely does as well 3rd of all: I’m talking about how in most stories Batman wins due to his brains not BvS that movie doesn’t even really count as a Batman V Superman movie it got so little about them right. Batman and Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash are both extremely smart. Reverse Flash even said he was faster than Superman and it seems to be implied he outsmarted him. I guess that really depends on how u take what he said. They didn’t really go deep into detail when he said that.
I'm a bit curious about Earth X Kara and Oliver's relationship. Did it start as a political marriage, or did they just meet at some Nazi dance party and fall in love? We never got much backstory before they kicked the bucket.
@Saurabh Adhikari and Gypsy, and Block, and the violin woman, and Marleen Devoe, and the Top, and E2 Moira, Black Siren, Eva, the muslim chick from Legends, Vixen, Vixen's ancestor, Nora Dhark, the hyper fangirl, and ill just stop because i can name at least another 50 women on the shows.
Because it had everyone and extremely high stakes. Elseworlds had arguably hire stakes but it wasn't really as good because it didn't have all 4 shows and not as much action
@@godseye8785she did stop him from vibrating his wrist . It's because he didn't anticipate it. Once she has that kryptonian grip, he can't vibrate. Atleast that's the CW DCTV logic.
The way they are bickering amongst each other makes them seem like their related. Eobard-Father of Oliver and Kara’s father in law,Oliver-Eobard’s son and Kara’s husband,Kara-Oliver’s wife and Eobards daughter in law
@Harris Andon Fu wrong becuz ... @Harris Andon Fu No, Thats not how phasing works. When you phase your molecules adjust to the density of the object you are vibrating at. there is no strength factor. When reverse flash stops phasing. the molecules of his hand fit between the molecules of the organs and they tear apart because of increased pressure and decreased volume (Boyles law) thawne could Vibrate a feather and if he un phases the feather while its in a steel rod the molecules of the feather would fit between the iron rod, Splitting it in half. Just read the comics. Thats dcs definition of phasing
@@godseye8785 There is no proof it works against Kryptonians though since Superman is one of the main two heroes of DC, they have kept him invulnerable to it because the concept of Superman is that he is meant to be more powerful than any one. That is followed in the comics.
@@Vivasiat Yeah, but thats not what they talking about. It was mentioned already, its different to let object pass through you(as was said, this kind of phasing just do you intagable, but neither the one phasing or the one attacking is not able to touch the other). But they are talking about killing Supergirl, if it is possible, that if RF will vibrate his arm an sudenly stop while his hand is in her(uuf, this one sounds funny), if this act alone can kill her like it kill normal people, of if her invulnerability can stop that.
The Anti-Monitor Exactly, but that seems true with every character in these shows. They seem like they are on a equal playing field with regular humans which I attribute to terrible writing. The Flash and Supergirl are randomly nerfed every time some D-List villain without powers pop up. How can someone with super speed be able to dodge bullets, but be unable to avoid getting punched in the face. This is one of the reasons I stopped watching these cringy series; that and the horrendous writing, pacing, and repetitive plot devices.
They probably should have realized by now that Eobard wasn't with them. He was just using them and it amuses him how little they could do to him. I wish this was the moment they realized they were just pawns who would die if that got in his way.
Except Overgirl & Dark Arrow were clearly running the show and Thawne was just there to be there. Thawne had no goal or agenda in this crossover, he was just a plot device for Barry.
I think that their relationship in Earth X is basically an answer to what Stephen said in one video, where they were talking about the Invasion crossover. Stephen confessed how he thought about character direction towards Kara, so the writers made a crossover and Earth, where they are together. Lol.
@@Graniteheart no pal. There’s a difference between vibrating and phasing. If thawne phased his hand through ppls heart nothing would happen. It would simply go through. Not crush it. But he vibrates at a slower frequency, so his arm is still a solid object, then he shoves it into his enemy’s chest at super speed. How do u think she held his arm? We saw in invasion that kryptonians go right through a speedster when they phase. So, either he was simply vibrating and she just grabbed him (vibrating ≠ phasing), or, he was phasing his hand, not his wrist, and therefore she grabbed his wrist, inflicting enough pain on him that he stopped phasing.
I actualy realy liked both of them i know a lot of people didnt like good supergirl but i enjoyed it also i think melissa just made my day everytime i watched her because she is such a swet person and gives smile to my face every time i watched her as supergirl
Everyone is saying Thawne could kill them all. He could. He just need to get some Kryptonite to weaken Overgirl and she's toast, considering his speed is beyond anyone except Barry. AND, everything Barry does, Thawne can do it too. Unless he is equipped with some Kryptonite, he can't kill her, though he can outrun her. Careful, she's more solid than the ATOM, if that's what you all think. He could Kano'd Ray (he ripped his heart once) because Ray is still human inside the suit, while Overgirl is Kryptonian. Simple. As of Dark Arrow, there's no need to tell since he faced Oliver himself when he was temporary powerless. So I think, even am sure, that he could beat Dark Arrow. And, also, maybe not everyone knows, but Eobard is stronger than anyone could think. Why? Simple : Speed Force and Negative Speed Force. Being connected to both (rather, connected to the Speed Force via his own Negative Speed Force) he has empowered himself a lot more than you could think. Examples? He lifted Malcolm Merlyn and threw Barry on a window at full speed, both cases with one hand.
Eubard Thawne was phasing his hand NOT his wrist,that’s how overgirl stopped him,if he wanted too he could’ve killed them both right there on the spot!
Josef Gamer supergirl isn't connected to the speed force. She may be very fast, but it doesn't mean she also has flash's abilities, such as time travel and phasing. She cannot vibrate her individual molecules like flash
Perfect team. Reverse Flash could win, he has the speed and the brain. Supergirl has only the power but not really the brain. Green Arrow has the brain but not really the power or speed. Hands down for reverse flash ;)
Thawne was right in the end, he did survive over them. Hell he was the only one to it. Ironic an Thawne was part of the another legion of evil and only he died.
Michel nah it’s better that reverse flash was in it than a Barry doppelgänger because we have already seen 2 flashes before in the flash so there is no point!!! Also arrow X and Supergirl X match perfectly because it’s actually kinda funny so shut up and stop complaining
You have a point, I understand, but the Reverse Flash is already getting saturated so in that case it would be better if Oliver was the sprinter and Barry was the Dark Arrow. That way we'd see something different.
Barry did have an Earth-X doppelganger called Blitzkrieg. You see him the the animated Freedom Fighters: The Ray show. That show takes place before Crisis on Earth-X, so i''m guessing Reverse Flash came over, murdered him, and offered his services. We won't know possibly until the 2nd season though.
For those wondering, Thawne could kill Earth-X Kara if he wanted. Kryptonian abilities work on a cellular level, while speedsters’ work on a molecular one, so he would be able to phase through her, it would just be like phasing through a very thick wall of steel
@Harris Andon Fu No, Thats not how phasing works. When you phase your molecules adjust to the density of the object you are vibrating at. there is no strength factor. When reverse flash stops phasing. the molecules of his hand fit between the molecules of the organs and they tear apart because of increased pressure and decreased volume (Boyles law) thawne could Vibrate a feather and if he un phases the feather while its in a steel rod the molecules of the feather would fit between the iron rod, Splitting it in half. Just read the comics. Thats dcs definition of phasing
It's not mentioned in any comics that phasing can kill Kryptonians. They are invulnerable. The phasing won't be to break their body under yellow sun. Also it's mentioned that Kryptonian have super-strength at molecular level, not just cellular level. Haven't you heard of Superman's molecular bonds?
Reverse Flash can literally murder Dark Arrow and literally avoid Overgirl forever until he finds some Kryptonite and phases it into her...if anyone was a Speedster....they really would in theory be unstoppable.
People are confused and ignorant about how Flash's phasing affects Superman When the Flash partially materializes his Human hand in the invulnerable chest of the Kryptonian Superman to crush his heart (assuming its in the same place as a Human heart) Superman’s invulnerable chest muscles crush his hand, in a worse case scenario, until the Flash dematerializes again and runs away nursing his injury. More than likely, the Flash will attempt a partial materialization, vibrating out of sync with Superman in order to cause him a degree of trauma. While this may cause a great deal of pain, Superman’s innate durability should allow him to survive, a little worse for the wear and ripping the Flash a new one in short order. Same logic is applicable for Reverse Flash vs Supergirl.
Someone in Smallville that had the power to phase and phased through Superman heart And this shows that you know nothing about the speed force The speed force would prevent that from happening if he was vibrating to a Kryptonian organs
reverse flash may not be as powerful as supergirl but he sure is a hella a lot cooler. when he puts his mind to something he can do anything, including breaking out of prison in just 1 hour before a death sentence
m b actually reverse flash can catch arrows and dark arrow won’t get a hit on RF because reverse flash can see him in slow motion and easily vibrate his hand and kill the dark arrow
Ethém Shallabdullem um have you forgot he’s a speedster he can go in flash time rip his heart he can go back in time and eras him from the time line when RF is fighting the dark arrow he’s not even moving brah
If anything Justice League, the movie has some values, is it provides a very good evidence about why Speedsters cannot simply kill Kryptonians. Speedsters might move faster, but unfortunately, in front of Kryptonians, they are only like a normal human that can run a little bit faster. Just imagine, when Bolt carried a knife, can he be sure to kill Michael Tyson in one blink? No. The more possible situation is Bolt can run faster, but Tyson can see his every move. So before Bolt run close enough to hurt Tyson, Tyson has already prepared to fight back and if Bolt runs into a single wrong angle, one punch will finish Bolt. This is exactly what Speedsters are afraid of. Even though they can run faster in a straight match, they cannot be close to Kryptonians because they are also very fast and has already fast enough to use their physical advantages. It's game over if Speesters run close to Kryptonians and got one full strength punch.
I thought that was always the case, thats where the debate stems from where the flash can kill superman like he's nothing however if he fucks up anything in that process then superman wins. Thats why it's hard to debate who would win, but theoretically flash should 3 times out of 5.
@@exshadowkick5564 You overestimated Speedsters too much. In Krytonian's eyes, speedsters are not something can't be withnessed. They are only relative fast, just like normal human beings can't win the race with professional sprinter, but that doesn't mean some well trained boxer will lose to sprinter in a fight. The fact is, boxer has a much higher chance to win because physcially they are much stronger. Sprinters' speed doesn't give them a lot of advantages.
@@hmw4166 yeah thats a good point, however flash is theoretically faster than superman. He should still move faster, why I say flash should 3 times out of 5 is because he can literally grab kryptonite from anywhere on earth and just stab superman from multiple angles, retreat, wait for him to be weakened, then rinse and repeat. I'm not saying it's gonna be a blowout everytime as obviously that's alot harder to do. However, they can still kill kryptonians if done properly and carefully.
@@exshadowkick5564 Depending on the continuity Flash Definitely can NOT just find Kryponite just anywhere. It's not a widely accessible object to find, there's a reason only certain people have it too. On top of that I forgot which comic it was but one had Superman and Batman do a personal mission of ridding the world of all but one source of Kyptonite
i think thawne needed them, knowing he cant beat all the heroes solo; not just that but beating a homicidal version of arrow and a kryptonian is an uphill battle to say the least
Uh yeah that's because she IS threatening to an evil speedster. He may be able to rival her speed but she is still much stronger, as in I'll break every bone in your body stronger. Not to mention she could turn him into an ice cube. A speedster's weakness.
@@kolilmd9967 Exactly. Speedsters in infinite crisis were able to trap Superboy Prime, HE couldnt beat them. Eobard had the right advantages, this was just manufactured tension in the writing to make Kara have a stake in the situation when she really doesn't.
