The Flash - The Full Events of Nora's Death - Barry vs Thawne (9x10 + other scenes) 

Idk how they could say he never existed if RF is there 🤣 idk if he was there that night but he definitely existed

The only Flash that erased is the flash flashpoint remnant.

OG Barry is the one fighting Thawne and saved Kid Barry. S9 Barry is just there to stop S1 Barry from saving their mom.

@@quantommy no the one fighting Thawne is S9 Barry, i think.

@@quantommy OG Barry was always season 9 Barry. Here my theory on how time loop works and how this still fits Eobard story from season 1: The timeline never changed. Everything that happened was supposed to happened. It makes sense! It slightly different than season 1 flashback but I’m letting that slide because that was on Earth 1! (Everyone else should think this too. Or not. I’m not the boss of you.) this is Earth Prime version of that night. But it still fits. In fact it fits with what eobard told us back in season 1: Eobard: “Until I learned your secret. I learned your name. Barry Allen. And finally, I knew how to defeat you once and for all. Travel back in time, kill you as a child. Wipe you from the face of the earth. But then you, future you, that is, followed me back, and we fought. We both landed some pretty solid shots. And then you, future you, got your younger self out of there. I was so mad. But then I thought... what if you were to suffer a tragedy? What if you were to suffer something so horrible, so traumatic that your child self could never recover? Then you would not become The Flash. And so I stab your mother in the heart, and I was free. Finally able to return to a future without The Flash, only to realize that in traveling back I'd lost my way home. Lost my ability to harness the speed force. And without it, I was stuck here. Stranded in this time, unable to return to my own. And the only way back was The Flash. But The Flash was gone, and so I created him.” Then when eobard figure out killing barry’mom it’s a fixed point Everything he does was already supposed to happened. Which break him. But The universe or speedforce couldn’t let him know that. Which is why this happen: 8:02 some unknown entity(No idea yet possibly cobalt blue or the negative speed force?) had to make sure Eobard thinks he changed the past. So it’s teleport Barry away to somewhere( I have no idea. I’m literally typing this just right after it released. so part 2-4 haven’t came yet.) But from Eobard perspective it look like as if the flash vanished from existence. This would give him the motivation to create the flash. Thus cementing his role for season 1. What do you think?

I would be worried if Future Flash wasnt fast enough to catch up to this version of Thawne who is significantly slower than the other times Barry fought him lmao

I know they didn't think about this a decade ago. But i have an interesting theory. As flash got faster his lightning changed. But every time we see the night of noras death, his lightning is yellow like when he first got his powers. However speedsters have shown they can change their color especially when they're slowing down. So long story short, Barry's out of character yellow, is actually showing how much S9 barry is holding back to make sure the timeline stays intact. A great detail they may or may not have accounted for. Which is awesome

That’s old reused scenes

season 9 barry held back so much lol, that's why his lightning was yellow

@@alvininthechipmonks​​⁠​⁠​⁠, that’s actually a really good point?!😱🤔⚡️ I’ve followed “The Flash” since even before the Season 1, all the way back since Barrys very First Appearance in the Backdoor Pilot Episodes way back in 2013 during the Second Season of “Arrow”, (S02E08 “The Scientist” and S02E09 “Three Ghosts”), and obviously I’ve been a Loyal & Dedicated Fan/Follower of “The Flash” since the very beginning, (so since way back in 2014, starting with the Official Series/Season Premiere on October 7th, S01E01, titled “Pilot”), without missing a single Episode or Crossover Episode/ Event since then until the Official Finale 9 Years later with the Official Final Episode of “The Flash”, (S09E13, titled “A New World, Part 4” on May 24th 2023), and I’ve actually never really given the color-change in Barry’s lightning throughout these 9 Years/Seasons of “The Flash” and throughout the various “Arrowverse”-crossovers over the Years any serious thoughts if I’m being honest?😅🤔🤦‍♂️🫣⚡️ But I have to admit that your reasoning makes perfect sense now when I really think about it?😅🤔🤦‍♂️⚡️

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No it’s not

Except in post crisis multi verse, technically flashpoint didn't happen

@@vengeance86 then savitar wouldnt be a thing so it’s gotta still happen

@@vengeance86 post crisis i think yeah, flashpoint didnt happen but team flash remembers it because they have the pre crisis memories... in Post crisis timeline it was told that they didn't know about the multiverse so those events wouldn't have happened, but barry remembers it because technically he fought them in a different timeline and retained the memories so they will always be a part of flash museum even though they didn't exist... They just got to know about the new multiverse in last episode so post crisis timeline they never met zoom or savitar or harry.. thats also confirmed that barry was thought to throw lightening in s1. So you are right, flashpoint didn't happen in post crisis timeline but even if it did happen, the situation of creating would have been different and not zoom , maybe henry died by an accident in post crisis timeline and barry created flashpoint anyway but not due to zoom since we do know henry still died in post crisis timeline but not by zooms hand

So basically a spin off of the original flash can still happen. The one "the night" RF actually coming from?

@@fiqz7017 Technically it could. I'd love to see the events originally leading to "the night" *but* I think Wallace is trying to make this the definitive way it went down... which is technically wrong but he's retconning it. My post is trying to fix what he's doing so it still works with the original canon. Nothing on onscreen (so far) disproves this so it's a way to reconcile the original intent of "The night" with Wallace's latest addition to the lore. :)

All the Flash Series is a flashpoint that become canon?

@Matias that's a good way to put it, but yeah. Eobard changed the timeline and it became the definitive timeline, cemented thanks to him wishing it so when Barry and the others were recreating the multiverse at the end of Crisis. **Edited because the original way I wrote it made it seem like Thawne helped wish the new multiverse in and not Barry, haha

​@ShinySephiroth the thing is, our Barry still hasn't closed the loop. S9 Barry as can be seen from the new clip, he comes from the window while Thawne is fighting someone else which as also seen is still the Flash, but that's not our Barry, you can clearly see when our Barry stops to tell the other Barry not to move, that their is still fighting going on, Flash is still fighting the Reverse Flash but it's not our Barry doing it, and I doubt if our Barry was fighting Thawne and he just left the fight to do something else, why would Thawne keep running in circles and fighting himself, which means our Barry still hasn't been the one to fight Reverse Flash that night, or the one who takes himself out of the house, he only told himself not to come out. So it's still Og Barry fighting Thawne, where did he come from and how he knew, because in his timeline his parents are both alive and he still becomes the Flash, so who knows

But as always, he wouldn't listen 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Lucifer is right, he didn’t create hellloop to punish us, we did . Even in reverse flash case.

How did he try to warn him? Didn't understand, pls explain

@@mad_titanthanos he told him that Thawne could just go back to his own timeline and be the hero he wanted to be and forget about Barry. But of course he chose to try and kill Barry instead 🙄

@@mad_titanthanos barry talked to him face to face before they went to fight their final fight. Barry warned him that if he did what wanted to do, he would lose everything

What the hell is doing that dude in the middle of street screaming while wearing a halloween suit?

@@PelinalWhitestrake9147 no wonder Eobard had to change his identity 😂

“Ah great. Another teenager screaming in the neighborhood.”

"There's nothing that Thawne can do now but did what he had done earlier, assuming Harrison Wells's identity and creating the particle accelerator which will make Barry the hero he is supposed to be."

Something directors never think about. I had the same thought playing Spider-Man 2 when one of the boss fights is outside Peter's house and he's loudly and openly shouting identifying things in the middle of his damn neighbourhood

The Barry who stopped Thawne was erased, so technically only like 5 then, but in the 9x10 scene it’s only s9 barry and s1 barry there in the scene, s3 barry when he lets Thawne kill Nora isn’t there and s5 barry would’ve left the timeline to chase after Nora. And of course Kid barry was ran out of the room so he was Saved.

The one who fough with RF is season 9 Barry.

Technically only 4 were in the house the flashpoint one was too tired to run so reverse flash bought him home and the one with nora didnt go inside and was earlier in the night by a good half hour or so probably

Don't forget the one earlier with Barry and Nora (West-Allen) when they visited the other Nora and Henry.

​@@Nolabray21that version of Barry also got erased once the timeline was restored if you remember

I was gonna say, the lightning colour was slightly different before and during the fight

@@maabat8142they didn’t redo the cgi for the old scenes and since they use a new vfx studio then they did back then the lightning was not consistent

I think everyone has this whole situation of events wrong. The first scene we see here where s9 Barry is talking to RF is before he goes through a portal to go back in time. He then goes through the portal after they have talked to each other and that's where original future Barry who never lost his mom catches up to him in the speedforce and they both go through the portal to the past together. S9 Barry only comes to tell s1 Barry to not interfere, that's all s9 Barry does since during that scene, we can still see flashes of light behind s9 Barry meaning the og future barry and RF were still fighting.

@@Danzii well no , no proof of any portals in this

There is something confusing about this barry is so much faster than thawne yet thawne and him are equal in speed here in the battle maybe barry was holding back I don't know.

Can we appreciate Matt Letscher a little more? That's entirely down to his acting. His facial expressions were on point since his first appearance. He should've been the RF not wellsobard

@@ulysses4989 agreed

​@@ulysses4989 no hate towards Tom Cavanagh AKA wellsobard. But I liked Matt Letchster better

@@Velocity_YT No hate to Matt Letchster, but I liked Tom cavanagh better. He made the reverse flash for the viewers. The true hate, the genuine disgust.. not just anger.

@@gamerdude4465 touché

not really, barry probbaly paused a bit and be like " is this really it?, is this that momment"

Assuming he has his entire speed at this point. If that's the case how tf did this slow Eobard knock him out by running through him??? Keep in mind season 7 Eobard who was much faster was frozen to Barry. Barry should've both seen and heard Eobard coming, even if he's close he would practically be frozen if Barry acted

@@ulysses4989 barry lets it happen, he probably created a speed mirage to that is fihgting thawne, and the real him is there to wave no to the older season's barry while saving young one

@@ViolentVioletViolin That's not a speed mirage.

He’s much faster. He either stopped completely and did a flash-time with S1 Barry, or he created a speed mirage to tell S1 Barry not to save Nora. Either way, he clearly wasn’t using all his power against the Reverse Flash.

Nope. He was my favorite too. He should have been thawne throughout the entire show other than season 1.

Tom was way more intimidating and cold. Matt was more of the guy who wanted to ruin Barry’s life. Both have both but more of that for each of them, key aspects of the character. Kinda like how the joker is differently represented by different actors yet still true

Matt is the definitive Reverse Flash in my eyes. After season 1 with Tom's RF he ruined the charactor in future seasons in my opinion. Plus, with Tom playing 30 different versions of Wells it got old really quick

Matt was way more consistent. Toms season 1 appearance will always be the best but it got worse each season. Matt’s was always good throughout.

He basically got retconned so things would come full circle, which makes sense. His life wouldn't happen as it should if our Barry didn't become that future Flash from S1. As that one got protected until he wasn't necessary.

That's the only logical way to say it really, because before Crisis, there's no way in hell he could've even considered becoming OG Barry because it simply doesn't make sense

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 ye

@@themaskedraff it still kinda doesn’t make sense

@@TruthSeeker23099 yea it still kinda don't. But it was still good regardless so I'll ignore it

I see what you did here

scars heal

@@geenhaaien no they don’t. Wounds heal.

@@tamariomartin9080 oh yeah. what do scars do, they fade i guess?

@@geenhaaien I don’t care what scars do.

Bro can you explain how does og barry erased and who was he i didn't understand in the show

⁠@@KITKATPRODUCTIONidk how he gets erased but i think he comes from the og timeline which is why in 1x17 we see the flash and rf come out of a portal which is them coming from the og timeline

No Barry warning is to laugh eobard for I already warning you.

The entire series would be wiped out in favor of the timeline we didn't really got to see, the OG timeline that had the crisis of 2024. It would be actually full circle, but the way it came to be works great too. As it doesn't really break the timeline, maybe Flash was always supposed to warn Eobard before, we don't know. The only thing we know is that the prelude to Nora Allen being killed used to be 2024's Crisis, so it was a more epic and climatic fight.

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 In that timeline Oliver lives to be 86 too lmao

@@stevendchu that too, Barry vanishes and Oliver lives until 86.

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 they should have went…with what you said

Yeah Rip Logan

​@@Pattmorewhat happened to the actor?

@@andrewsung3965 passed away O.D years ago

@@9manny99 wtf really he's so young

​@@GodDiggetyDoodle Drugs overdose

What?? Like his double?

@@talrichardson9570 im talking about the kid version of Barry at 11 years old. The actor (Logan Williams) died at 16 years old sadly.

@@azwarith5056 wow that is tragic, what was wrong with him

@@talrichardson9570 Accidental Fentanyl Overdose

​@@azwarith5056 Please tell me it was a hospital fuck up and not him doing drugs

Zoom in season 2

​@@user-ld8lv5py7kRF was called professor zoom before it's kinda messy I'm not sure myself

@@a3sjustaphil397 hunter Zolomon is Zoom Reverse Flash is Thawns due to the show’s popularity this is how it is now in comics

@@a3sjustaphil397 In the comics, Professor Zoom, the Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon. In the show, Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon.

​@@anthonyallmond3682 thawne is professor zoom, hunter is just zoom, but nobody ever called thawne professor zoom in the show

Flashpoint was one of the worst decisions the show ever made. It erased Barry’s growth throughout the show and created too many holes in the timeline

@@MarcusPearl yep. But Flash point is also a set point in the Flash storyline....it must happen. At some point the Flash always travels back to try save his mother.

@@veemon9280 *fixed point

@@MarcusPearleven if they want to make flashpoint, they should take note from dcamu flashpoint.

​@@user-ld8lv5py7k i'm sure dcmu's flash point wasn't even planned when the flash did it

OG Barry gained powers in 2020 (6/7th season) so naturally he would be the Flash longer = more expierienced, faster etc. that's why he's faster I think than OG Barry who had yellow lightning

Him giving him a head start has nothing to do with his speed, that was not at all the point of that moment

It seems to me it is just reused footage. Barry has orange lightning now. The fact that it is yellow when he is fighting Thawne in his home is because of reused footage from Season 1 and laziness of editing the colour from yellow to orange. The lightning colour meanings are pretty bullshit as it doesn't make any sense that The Rival and Black Flash both have Red Lightning (and thus Negative Speed Force?).

Barry isn't trying to stop Thorne his just there to fight for one. Get his past self out of there and let everything else play out how it's supposed to, which means he limited his speed to match. Thorne's since his faster than this version of Thorne and it origin lightning just means it's a speedster has like a very strong connection to the speed force, granting them greater speed

@@solarwindyou say his color of the lighting changes bc he slows down for thawne No the colors stays the same no matter how fast he runs he still has a greater connection to the speedforxe due to his experience so the lighting is orange even when he runs not that fast he could run

Since S1 actually. Thawne instantly realized that if Barry never became Flash, then in turn he would have never become Reverse-Flash. The biggest hint of his plan and that realization is that he was wearing the same clothes that Harrison Wells wore in 2000.

It’s not.

what happened to barry at the end?

​@@sparrow2068he goes back to the present only to vanish again i think was the future?

Eric Wallace directed, that's something directing should correct. The way an actor moves, they probably didn't do more takes.

Yes

Definitely. Had I known the finale would have Reverse-Flash NOT BEING the final boss as he deserved and as it should HAVE BEEN, this is how it should have ended...

My man is now trapped for 15 years just to get clapped by his ancestor💀

Eobard create his own hell, he is punished and trapped for eternity. Create plans again and again, for finally comeback to the beginning of the endless cycle

Why is not the original Barry?

@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 Because the original became Flash in 2020 not 2014, came from an universe where he lived a happy life with both of his parents and time travel to the night in the year 2000 during the Crisis of 2024 while fighting Reverse Flash

@@franciscorojas6232 soo who's this Barry? And what happened to the orginal

@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 the original doesn't exist anymore

@@ibrahimk9874 that's what I'm asking what happened to him and until wich season he original was in the series

Including his kids Don and Dawn

fr, bro disconnected it permanently. He'll probably never meet the OG

he’s weak as hell , he was getting treated like a boxing bag by rf

@reckasorus hound Yeah, OG 2024 Barry couldn't beat Eobard but S2 Barry was destroying him. S9 2024 Barry got so fast that he even have Eobard a head start and *still* caught up to him before he got to Barry's house 😆

Keep quiet

No it’s not.

Lol

That flash was erased from existence

​@@abhinavbhargava978 No, he's the Barry that S9 Barry stopped from saving her

Oh I thought he was the s3 flash that saved his mother and created flashpoint.

I don't think he included the clip because of s9 flash stopping him from seeing his mother.

@@abhinavbhargava978the thing is he actually went to see her after the fact. The reason why we didn’t see that Scene again because season 9 Barry left the house to talk to RF one last time. Canonically season 1 Barry still talked to her in her dying moments.

This is what I don't understand. How are they going to end the show with a whole comic villain he's definitely going to be wasted

Factos 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

There was floating in s1 when barry first got his powers. Sorry buddy

thats s3 flashpoint barry then he gets erased by his future s3 self and nora gets killed at 4:45 u can see

​@@trickzwhtv No that's S1 Barry, you're confusing the two

@@trickzwhtv no, flashpoint Barry saves her, but after flashpoint, when he goes back and let's thawne kill her, he goes in and reveals himself to his mom and says goodbye

False, writers are just lazy.

@@xccxuy5hnhbvc what does the writers got anything to do with the effects? You should be blaming the vfx artists but if you did you’re still wrong because my comment is a fact

@@OmzigCrist123 I meant Eric Wallace, the show runner. Your claim is false, that guy has no creativity or any skill in show running. He’s lazy, he threw out the vibration effect at the start of season 8 for whatever reason. Barry at the end of season 7 was shown to be much faster than thawne yet thawne still had the vibrations there. So yeah like I said your comment is false.

I get the joke...but to be fair, it felt natural. I mean, you don't care how bad you sounds when you realize you're stuck in a timeloop, said timeloop of being erased (1x23), imprisoned (Season 5), vaporized (Crisis on Infinite Earths), exorcized (6x15), speedless (8x05), aged to death (8x19) and destroyed by your own powers (8x20).

Original Barry is season 9 Barry.

@@fachriranu1041 No he's not there was always a original barry that had both his mom and dad. Got his powers met iris and had twins named don allen and dawn allen. Now after crisis it season 9 barry that's goes back too save his younger self from thawne . Season 9 is the one that's saves him in the timeline now but originally it was the original barry . Thawne even called nora dawn when he met her in episode 5x8.

​@Fachri Ranu Not as far as we know. S1 led us to believe OG Flash was fighting Thawne during *their* COIE and went back in time. The first time we see this night, Eobard and Barry arrive via a time portal from the speed force and Barry's suit is different. Eobard also knows Barry has a daughter named Dawn, but post-Flashpoint/"The Night" it becomes Nora instead. Our Barry became the Flash a decade earlier, too.

@@ShinySephiroth1 The creator didn't know what suit he would have when they were done with the show they didn't think that far ahead . Original thawne found out much about barry life his parents , his kids otherwise he wouldn't have been supirsed by the changes since killing nora which is now a (fixed point) .The show has teased us so much that we might see the original flash but they made it clear now that our current flash (prime flash) has replaced him similar too how current future nora replaces original (XS) nora . There was always the barry with both parents and twins otherwise thawne wouldn't have been in the picture and gave us our prime barry .

@@tybattle123 The creator not knowing the suit is the Doylian explanation, but we have to go in-universe. Either way, my comment was agreeing with yours - OG Barry was replaced by S9 Barry. I'm not sure what you're arguing here because that is what I was saying.

Yep. The completed timeloop actually shows that the Flash who is fighting Thawne in the room...is actually way more competent than Thawne...he's only going through the fight because he knows it must happen...he's merely fulfilling the Paradox.

Eight seconds actually!

More like 10 seconds😭

No , he had justice league.

2:07 Maybe you meant the vibrational effect that made him look like a yellow blur?

@@byonemesis yes that one

Because the flash RF is referring to is the OG flash not our flash

That’s the same Barry that was crying at the door

Which season is that Barry from?

@@canucksrock12 Season 1

Underrated comment 😂

They dont even have budget to phase speedsters anymore 😭😭😭😭 wonder how zoom's gonna run.......

@@Mak_Editz694 You can already see in season 5

@@farhaanqureshi6899 atleast they made reverse flash cool towards the end

😂😂

He got stuck there 😂

Maybe when season 2 flash and original reverse flash have erased and flashpoint reverse flash took his place and the knife.

@@user-ld8lv5py7k Maybe. We shall go to that night and check it ... ⚡️🏃

Well he said why did you let me kill your mom at first I thought he talking about how barry didn't try to stop him but thinking about it maybe just maybe he was talking about flashpoint that at last he let RF kill his mom

It's the OG Thawne

@@SnoozySnacksLegacy Okay and the OG thawne ended up being s1 Thawne. So that night a basically a fixed point in his life too then right? Along with Barry and Nora

They’re the same guy that both reach this point and then branch out depending on the flashpoint timeline or the s1 timeline. So the RF 2016 becomes this Thawne that could either become Flashpoint-Legends-S8 Thawne, or become the S1-8 Wellsobard version

Almost. Thawne himself is responsible for this mess. The moment he killed Nora Allen, the OG Flash from 2024 was erased. Everything that came afterwards are only causes and effects of Thawne's change.

Harry Wells stated that when Reverse-Flash showed up in the 21st century for the first time. (2x11)

May I know if antiflash from season 2 (residual) is always this from season 9 and the previous ones? Except 1