Art of Fighting - Neo Geo vs. Super NES, Genesis, & PC Engine 

Thanks! I have all the Neo Geo ports for it and they did a great job with each one.

I give the SNES version credit for using the shrinking. Mr. Big and Mr. Karate themes are my favorite in that version.

Snes version had a better proportion on CRT tvs, only little black bars on left and right and we have big Sprites in this version because of this proportion

Thanks! You have to master the timing of the delay between the two button presses. I have little to no problem pulling it off in the PC Engine and Neo Geo versions.

Thank you very much! I make a full effort to provide as much detail as possible. My consolized MVS is the only system (of the ones I used for this video) that I have s-video cables for. Unfortunately, the PC I used to record the footage kicked the bucket, so I can't use my capture device. I switched to another device that does not require a PC, but it doesn't support s-video, but it does support component. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on recording equipment, some of which was not worth it, and I reach the point where I don't want to invest more. I can always look into other cables. I just hope that they work.

We all have our preferences. My dislike towards the Genesis soundtrack was that certain parts of it are too loud for my liking. I really don't like loud noises and I live in NYC of all places (born and raised).

@@NeoTurboManiac78 lol

Snes/SFC and AES versions had a Van Damme picture on it

Thanks for the info. I figured they would keep that in the Japanese version.

The Mega Drive/Genesis version doesn't have this King trick

Thanks! I am impressed that the PC Engine was capable of pulling of a quality port.

PC Engine's version of Street Fighter II' Champion Edition is even more impressive, considering it runs only on a HU-Card (so you can run it on the very first PC Engine hardware released in 1987 without any addition !!!), and it was the most complete and faithful port to date (the SNES only had SF2 vanilla by the time, and lacked some moves/animations/details, and the game wasn't released yet on Genesis/Megadrive)... not bad for a 8 bits (although it has a 16 bit graphic co-processor) released in late 1987 :-) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hToclCtLN1k.html

Thanks bro. I really enjoyed working on this one for sure.

Great points. That ending explains alot.

no, backgrounds are so ugly on snes version! graphically, except for the zoom capabilities, I foind this version deepless. I prefer genesis version between both. This version is closer to neogeo one in terms of atmosphere; also there is the 3d effects on floors

Great observation. I didn't notice that until after I finished putting it together. The SNES and its censorship back then. Oy!

Thanks! The PC Engine port was impressive indeed.

You're welcome! I enjoyed working on this one.

Thanks so much! This was one of my favorite videos to work on, even though I had a tough time recording the footage for some of the console ports.

NeoTurboManiac always a nice touch to use dedicated instead of emulations. Also a nice insert shot of all the carts

@@BotzaBrand Thanks! I prefer using original hardware and games, because I'm a stickler for authenticity and the fact that I am a better player when I use original stuff.

Thanks! It was fun and challenging putting this all together.

I think the issue with Super NES ports wasn't so much the graphics, but the playability. The Fatal Fury and Mortal Kombat SNES ports looked nice, but played poorly.

I enjoy Art of Fighting, which is why I really wanted to put a lot of time in putting this together.

Thanks Mark! I really wanted to go all out for this one.

I noticed there is inconsistency of clarity amongst the consoles. When I record using my PC Engine and Saturn, they come out looking good, but then the SNES and PS2 end up looking blurry.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. I really wanted to go the extra mile for this video.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Yeah you did very completed outlook just like your other videos!

Looking at it up close, Art of Fighting has some awesome visuals and I enjoy it, even though its far from perfect.

It's the little engine that could. That's why I sided with Team Turbo during those years.

Thasnk so much! I was really impressed with how the PC Engine version came out. Only if these games had made it to the states, it would've shown what this system was capable of to a bigger audience.

Thanks. I am a stickler for authenticity.

Thanks a lot Anthony! I worked hard to make this a good as possible. I am very pleased with how this came out.

I really enjoyed the arranged soundtrack.

I agree that the Super NES port offers the most options. I would go with the PC Engine port for arcade accuracy. Thanks for commenting.

It sure is. Welcome aboard.

At the time the PC Engine Duo was released, there hardly were any titles that took advantage of the extra buttons.

Yeah the gameplay makes it feel like a different fighter.

I actually like the Genesis version better than the PC Engine and SNES versions. Even though Sega took out the Zoom effect. The Genesis plays the game in Fuller Screen than the PC Engine and SNES versions. The Black Bar on the top always bothered me on the PC Engine and SNES versions. Also in my opinion the Genesis version has the best looking backgrounds compared to the PC Engine and SNES versions. Especially the last stage, where in my opinion looks even better than the Neo Version. Also I always loved the music in John's stage in the Genesis Version and liked how the backgrounds were closer to the Neo Version with the 2 helicopters. Now as far as gameplay many like the gameplay on the Genesis Version compared to even the Neo Version being that many dont like how the Zoom effect makes the gameplay worst in some people's opinion. The Genesis Version gives more of a Street Fighter 2 feel to Art of Fighting with no Zoom Effect. I do prefer the PC Engine Version more than the SNES Version but like I said I always hated the bar on that version on the top and also stuff missing in the backgrounds. Like the John and last stage looks way better on the Genesis than the PC Engine in my opinion. Also the Parallax scrolli ng in the Genesis Version makes it a must have. I own the Genesis and PC Engine versions and played the SNES version plenty of times at a friends house back in the day.

@@Atariatari-ky9te I agree about how good the Genesis version looks, but the alterations to the gameplay makes it feel like Street Fighter II, as you said, but the point of Art of Fighting is that it's supposed to provide an alternate experience to Street Fighter II, which is why I was critical of the Genesis port.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Understood. I guess it does make the Genesis version stand out a little. I feel Sega did a great job on the game and there reason of not having the zoom effect some say is because they felt that the gameplay would have been worst. Im not sure if that is true or not. The Genesis version is very good looking game and the last stage really shines compared to the other versions. I also dislike the SNES version because I never liked the way that the SNES produced sound it sounds like a compressed remixed MP3 and muffled in my opinion (almost like its coming out of a cave or something lol). Im a DJ and audiophile and I never liked the compressed sound of the SNES. Do you like Street Fighter 2 Special Champion Edition better than Street Fighter 2 CE for the PC Engine and Street Fighter 2 Turbo for the SNES? In my opinion the Genesis has the best version of that game as well being that it always feels like a Complete game for me compared to the other two. I also disliked how the PC Engine and SNES versions are playing in lower resolution than the Genesis Version. The PC Engine Version of Street Fighter 2 is good but reminds me of like a computer game and is missing a lot compared to the Genesis Version. The SNES Version sound I dont prefer like I said before i dont like the compressed/sped up remixed sound of the SNES. I was born in the 80's and loved arcade games and for me the Mega Drive always brought a better arcade experience for me being that most of the time it displayed games in Higher Resolution when compared to the SNES and PC Engine (TG16) ports and the gameplay most of the time was on point.

@@Atariatari-ky9te We all have are preferences, when it comes to certain versions of games. Art of Fighting has its characteristics that separates it from Street Fighter II.The Neo Geo fighters descend from the original Street Fighter. I liked how they experimented with different types of gimmicks, features, etc. Some of the audio in the Genesis port I found to be unpleasant, because I do have some sensitivity toward certain types of loud beats or noises. As for Street Fighter II, the biggest advantage the Genesis version has is the layout of the six button controller. I prefer the Genesis version over the Super NES port in that department. For the PC Engine version, not many, myself included, thought that Street Fighter II would come out the way it did. The PC Engine port had the best voice samples. Genesis had static and SNES was off pitch. I played the Genesis version the most back in the 90's, as I did not buy the PC Engine version until around 2000. I'm a huge arcade enthusiast as well, being born in the 1970's, which is why I enjoy doing these types of videos. I collect a lot of arcade console ports across many generations. I've been a big supporter of the TurboGrafx/PC Engine since the early 90's, because of its interesting lineup of games and that it was the underdog.

KoF '98 and The Last Blade are amongst my favorite Neo Geo fighters. I say keep on practicing at Art of Fighting. I used to struggle at it, before figuring out what to do.

I like those extra features. It boosts the replay value for sure.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Some people don't consider this in that snes version, but it's a plus too

It has a nice soundtrack and a great ending that explains a lot.

Thanks man! Don't get me started on Mr. Big. He is so f'in annoying. That happened to me during the recording for the PC Engine port. At one point, I lost a dozen matches in a row. I had to constantly delete my recordings. Once he gets you cornered, you're pretty much through. Funny thing is that the Neo Geo version was the easiest to record. I have completed the game on one credit on MVS difficulty, but have yet to do it on hard. Hopefully you can achieve that.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 I now have Mr. Karate figured out on Neo Geo hardest setting. I can perfect him 90% of the time if I don't screw up. Mr. Big is still a pain. I have a strategy that Silverwings21 used, but it only works for me 10% of the time. He's so unpredictable.

That literally has nothing to do with it! Game logic is independent of the ISA of the processor - lol. And the video hardware is just sooooo different than the Megadrive that it has to be redone from scratch anyway. As well as other things like rom space, which also why you re-write code. And if you end up re-writing code, then definitely make no difference if they share the same CPU. The PCE version uses a completely different CPU, yet when you look at the source code - they translated the 68k code into 6280 code. The z80 on the MD is not in the same configuration, and has it's own limitations. The FM chip on the Neo Geo is pretty much a background audio chip as the vast majority of the music comes from the ADPCM channels. There are soo many differences, that .. no.. it's not going to be a seamless task.

Neo Geo had the same CPUs but they ran at a faster clock and it had more memory the Neo Geos two graphics chips were 24bit on a 24bit data bus and one of those GPUs ran at 24mhz the Neo Geo could use far more data storage for the game data. Megadrive had three sample channels vs the Neo Geo's 7 and the extra data in the cartridges allowed far more samples at a higher sample rate.

Even so, the graphics were far from accurate.

I've mentioned on several occasions that I'm not going to go all out to buy top of the line equipment, as this is a small hobby channel.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Aren't top equipaments, just a CRT tv with s-video cables

Mr. Big is my favorite of the SNES tracks.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Great! SNK could revive it

I never knew about it myself, until I looked it up in preparation for this video.

Thanks man! The PC Engine version is the total package. I was surprised to see how colorful and detailed the Genesis version was, but it was lacking in other departments. I also learn more about these games, when I do these kinds of videos.

I get what your saying. I agree that the Genesis port looks better than the SNES or PC Engine versions. The zoom feature in later Neo Geo titles such as Double Dragon and Waku Waku 7, stretched out the entire length of the stage. It offers two options, close and long range combat. I was critical of the gameplay of the Genesis version, because it deviated from the arcade. Art of Fighting and Street Fighter II are two very different fighters. Art of Fighting is supposed to be a different experience, focusing on timing and conservation. If it plays too similarly to Street Fighter II, then I would just play the latter.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 I feel you. I have compared all 3 versions (Mega Drive, PC Engine & S.Famicom) via RGB and have to say that the Mega Drive does look better. The PC Engine & SNES RGB picture is somewhat blurry when compared to the Mega Drive IMO. The Mega Drive has the clearest and sharpest RGB picture when compared to the PC Engine & S.Famicom. Love the PC Engine though it is my second favorite game console of all time behind the Mega Drive.

The 'zoom" feature for that version can be an eyesore for newcomers. I still applaud the effort.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 I consider normal the zooming on MVS and Snes, but the PC Engine one is disgusting, like you said: It was complicade for players (I consider I'm not newcomer in AoF, but just in this turbografx version)

Funny that, because the MD can do the same type of zoom effect as the PCE (switching res, using h-int to get a vertical scale). I bet all the MD fanbois would be signing its praise if it was in that port hahah

@@TurboXray What a complicate guy!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔🔥😎

It is fast, but it goes against the nature of what the combat system in this game is supposed to be about, which is why I was critical of the Genesis port. For that, I would rather play Street Fighter II Special CE for that system.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 Ok. I consider Art of Fighting on Mega Drive/Genesis as a "Turbo" (better) version and it's good for play. I like the Desesperation defense

It's by far the best of the three.

@@NeoTurboManiac78 I think not. Snes has an original ending, great musics and Damage Moves for all characters. Mega has a great and fast gameplay. PC Engine has only big Sprites, and good zooms in/out, but snes one is good either.

@@fabiojuniooliveira6862 Another blind MD fanboi comment.

@@TurboXray Of course, true man! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔🔥😎

@@fabiojuniooliveira6862 I know! That's why I said it hahah

I've been a fan of the TurboGrafx/PC Engine longer than many retro gaming fans have been alive. I am aware of all the details. I did multiple playthroughs for each version for this video.

Lol, how is the PC Engine showing its 8-bit weakness here? It’s definitely the best outside AES/NG-CD realm version. What does 8-Bit mean anyway? I bet you can’t explain me the difference and what impact it could have in terms of what you see on the screen.

Serious MD fanboi! LOLOL