Ashes of Creation Is More ArcheAge Than ArcheAge 2 Itself 

Which releases first Ashes of Creation or ArcheAge 2? But More importantly... Which one goes p2w first to fund their lack of talent and innovation ;) Anyway, come join the stream: www.twitch.tv/Narciverse

to be fair the one to one copy of the ships going into the water is how newly made ships actually go to water

I remeber playing the whole traderun minigame back in silkroad online, I really liked the system, rather than having players interact with caravans, you would equib an item that turns you a theif, hunter or a merchant, theifs are the only ones who can attack merchants (caravans), hunters are sort of the caravan gaurd and can attack theifs, merchants are the who buy and drive the caravan, the game map simulated the real ancient silkroad and it was like a big straight line from east to west with alot of cities in between, you could go from one city to another which was long run, you can sell your goods there or choose to travel further for more rewards but with more risk of getting caught ofcourse. the longest trade run would take hours and hours going from the far west to the furthest east.

Actually I prefer physical packs like in Archeage rather than clicking in UI, it make you think and strategize how are you going to load and unload stuff. On one route I did use harpoon on a trade ship to pull ship on the shore to the trader, to avoid reloading packs from ship to hauler. It was fun and people who seen it were laughing 😆

i actually think itd be cooler if players did have to load the caravan, you got a whole ass raid group to load that shit. But i guess depends on how immersive you want the game to be.

Yeah to be fair though: Silkroad Online (released in 2004!!!) already had a caravan system, with traders, hunters and thieves. Sureley it was not as polished as todays standard would assume.. but to say that Arch Age (release 2013) were the first to introduce Caravan trading... its a stretch to say the least :D

I loved ArcheAge so much until they put the thunderstruck tree in cash shop and i gave my boat away to a guy who helped me get it unstuck from a river rock the day before and never played again, its the only reason I'm keeping my eye on Ashes.

AA was the best mmorpg in the market at its prime. But greed just destroyed it.

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Fun Fact: Archeage didnt pioneer the caravan/tradepack system, an MMO called Silkroad Online did it back in 2005! In SRO You could pick from three factions. Trader, who had the caravan and the trade goods. Hunter, which protected the caravan from NPC and player thieves. And of course Thief, who's entire goal was to kill the hunters and traders in order to get the goods from the caravan. What was really cool and unique about that system as well is that in order to participate You had to join one of the three factions, and each faction had their own clothing like a skin that you would wear over your armor. When you had that clothing equipped, it would obfuscate your name so that you weren't immediately recognizable in the open world, and it led to a lot of fun in-world drama with things like spies and whatnot. When ArcheAge came out I played the Korean 1.0, and it was immediately my new favorite game because it was so much like SRO, but modernized. I think ashes of creation is doing the exact same thing now, and will be like archeAge, but modernized, and I can't wait 😁

Ashes looking better than ever. Cant wait. Great video as always!

I’m hopeful it will turn into an amazing game, combat still needs a little work. Happy with this update

That screen tear, good catch.

I'll be honest, this entire game mechanic I can take or leave. I'll be more interested in boat pvp with a similar purpose of plundering goods. Straight up becoming a pirate would be amazing.

The cargo raft/raft system is really nice. Better than expected.

Hey, noice vid !

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is how the criminal system will work in the scenario they setup on the livestream. If they were bandits that attacked, killed, and stole goods from another group... would they still be able to enter a node to sell off these goods? Would guards attack? Is it open season for other players to attack and take the stolen goods for themselves? I know it wasn't the target of the showcase but interesting things to think about.

4:06 I wish he'd go on Tangents 🥴

Been saying AoC is the real ArchAge 2 for ages. For the same reasons I've said AoC is going to be a more inherently PvP focused game than something like WoW. Stephen is making the game HE wants to make. And as a devoted Archeage and Lineage 2 player he's making that but better. Which suits me perfectly as Archeage was one of my favourite MMOs and Archeage 2 looks like my every Korean grindfest nightmare.

I like the way archeage did it better where you had to physically pick up cargo off the ground and place it into a slot on the vehicle. Ashes looks okay tho but not as interesting from a pvp perspective so far. They need to show me that I can be a pirate and steal people's fishing hauls before I'm willing to commit.

This is not negative feedback on the video, just my opinion... When you talk about how players can summon vehicles anywhere in AA and AoC has more commitment in this respect, while previously saying that carrying physical packs is too clunky in AA and the AoC inventory is better seems like a major contradiction. While you can summon vehicles most anywhere in AA, the physicality of the trade packs is the commitment. The trade pack system, while simple on its face (create packs, move packs, sell packs) offered players the opportunity to develop unique strategies and approaches to gameplay. The most intricate strategies and epic pvp I've ever experienced by far has been related to trade packs in AA. From how one acquires the materials to make the packs, where they make packs, where they stage packs, the times of day packs are moved, the routes, land, sea, combination of both, the type of vehicles, the vehicle components, your party (or solo yolo), the pvp (fight or run), the destination (safe or dangerous), etc. The AoC system to me seems fairly mundane and restrictive (side note: the tetris inventory is horrendous and I'd be surprised if that UI makes it to release). idk Steven's AA history but he seems more like the raid pvp zerg player to me so he may not have appreciated the trade system as much as others. For a bit more context my gameplay style was mostly attacking trade runs with a small group of 2 or 3 people. The strategy was to hit fast and get the packs out fast. The location, terrain, number of packs, number of enemies, skill / gear of enemies, etc, all were factors in what vehicles we'd use, what direction we'd go, should we sell the packs right away, stage the packs till pvp cools off, hide the packs in bushes, run the packs off the map so no one gets them, etc. Anyway I doubt my opinions will change anything in AoC and that's fine, still hoping AA2 has a trade system like early AA did (the later versions of AA really gutted the trade system to the point where I stopped playing). Cheers!

8:24 My god, check out the chat. Anyone who hates the subscription model should be forced to endure chats like this without chat tab control

In ArchAge, is ranged damage effective from a boat? Could someone give me an idea of the pvp dynamics in boat / caravan situations, and how classes fit into that? @narc?

Looks good so far but I thought trade packs were garbage in AA. Felt like chores.

The creator of Ashes of Creation is in fact a disgruntled Archeage player, who obviously loved the game, but felt that it needed some changes and decided to do something about it himself. AoC is definitely and 99% inspired by AA. And apparently, the changes that were desired were not many. AoC COULD be seen as an ArcheAge 2, as it seems like the exact same game as ArcheAge 1 with some improved gameplay concepts. Seeing as how AA 2 is looking like a completely different game (and a bit of a disappointment, at that), I welcome another game that has similar mechanics as the old AA.

idk, going from trade packs that are a physical entitie in-game that you have to manually carry and put on your vehicle to an item in your inventory with little to no physical representation seems like a step-back for me

man im loving the project so far..but I gotta say I ain't really happy with the lack of physics going through a bush or moving through the vegetation.. Archage when launched had full physics with the leaves and branches...after they removed it. Also the sailing system in Archage looked way more realistic.The ships were heavy af and took time to turn and all.. I hope it gets improved upon later.

I watch way too many of these videos for a game I’ll never end up playing 😅

Archeage was like crack

I have zero interest in pvp but i'll give ashes a try anyway, the world seems fun :)

What happens if the attackers summon a caravan and use it as a weapon to ambush the defenders? They could summon it hours before, wait in ambush, then utilize the caravan's skills to blast away the defenders before attacking the traveling caravan. It would be like a bandit caravan attacking a merchant caravan.

do you guys also noticed that the walking/running animation looks goofy, looks like the distance from the knees to the feet is too short

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SILKROAD ONLINE , mates

EVE Online pioneered caravans, not Archeage's Korean shit.

archeage was perfect game,but XL games are trash thats the problem,im happy too see alot of elements in AoC from AA!

ArcheAge 2's change is just baffling to me. Why do developers keep making single player MMOs? Almost any other genre does single player better. Your entire appeal is the people!

say "game play loop" again I dare you I double dare you!

I had a lot of fun in og archeage until it got so absolutely over monetized that I couldn't do much other than spend hundreds each month to keep up. I think the gliders were cool. The caravans were cool. The pirating on the seas was fun. I even enjoyed the crafting minus the stamina cost that you had to buy stamina potions at the cash shop for.

Still less Archeage than Archeage though.

Once again I just feel this game isn't offering anything new a will end up a jumbled mess of systems and mid combat.

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IMO dragging a UI icon into a UI representation of a caravan is not as interesting or immersive as picking up a physical object in the game you or someone else crafted and putting it in your caravan yourself. I don't think that's as tedious as some people make it out to be (especially if guildees or family members could help)

The release date was planned for 2018. It's now 2024 and you are saying that the state of the game is acceptable. Because it's in EARLY ALPHA???? Be honest, do you ACTUALLY think this is worth the time of your viewers? Will you put more than a month or 2 into the game when it releases? Was this a paid advertisement? You are a blatant liar.

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Of course archeage 2 its much better than some copy called ashes 😂

I'm done with Korean or Asian mmo games in general Bummer because they make rly good games but always ruin it with their monetization models that can't be avoided even with an American port because it's built into the core of the game

ive heard ArcheAge 2 is actually Ashes of Creation, and Ashes of Creation doesn't even exist.

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That Bard ability they teased has me creaming my panties. I was already excited for the Bard, but that was way cooler than anything i could have imagined. Intrepid always over delivers.

I am vastly amused that mmo players are so desperate for a new game to play they will convince themselves that beyond tedious game mechanics like the ones shown in this video with the caravan will be "fun and engaging" and not a cause for outrage from the playerbase after a month due to having to waste so much of their time waiting for a caravan to spawn rather than just playing the game. What is even going on? is slow paced fantasy world simulators what people want now? I get that MMO's need a shakeup but is this it? It feels like an ode to a 90's mmo with updated graphics. I know why the cope mask is so prevalent on your channel, sheesh. (referring to the comments mainly, i know you give it a fair shake yourself)

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Agreed, it even has combat that looks so bad it looks straight form Archeage's era!

Imma be real, these western developers are bad with spell and character animations period.

Wait, this is 1/4 the gameplay loops??? This bodes poorly…. 1) trade routes for AA were just a trade profession. That’s it. ONE of the trade professions. They had group aspects to them, but other than that, it wasn’t treated as a core gameplay loop on its own. 2) This…. Isn’t a caravan. It’s a cart. They need to downplay the mini-game-esque mechanics, and make it an actual caravan whose primary purpose is moving goods from one region to another for practical reasons; e.g., large amounts of lumber from wooded region to a desert region. 3) the PvP was junk in this. They need the support classes and utility/CC. It’s just a numbers game in this video 4) Archeage Founder here. Archeage failed because their servers crashed during all major launches and updates, sometimes for days on end. People felt cheated, because all content was claimed by the time they could log on. So, people left. Each major launch/update immediately tanked the player count. Despite what freemium players want to say/push, it never had anything to do with pay2win at the beginning. It was all just straight up horrendous servers and the devs refusing to fix them and roll servers back.

Loving the way this looks to be going. For the people crying about how PvP in MMOS are bad: you don't have to play ashes. Obviously there's a huge group of people wanting to play a full pvp mmo considering how many early access and alpha packs were sold at a pretty high cost (I think over 100k people bought in at a minimum of $200). The issue with PvP is it's hard to balance due to either companies or individuals trying to pay 2 win, and they start to lose players. If a company can keep gold buying and botting down, while having a source of revenue like a subscription or cosmetics, I believe it can do really well.

I just wait when this game will fail

Yeah guys it's early alpha remember early alpha for the next 20 years so don't talk bad about it grats on developing a basic bodyguard quest and calling it a caravan system

The caravan system looks bad and does not make sense at present. Why is the caravan destroyed? If it was damaged in the attack fix it. If you need another caravan why is it not with you? Why is the loot better if not opened? This makes no sense. The PVP looked terrible at present. Can the summonsed caravan be attacked en route to you? Does not make any sense. The system looks stupid.

Dude you are failing every video making some negativity around ashes. Such a dumb mistake and doing it same last 1 year...

I must say that if this keeps up we will see the game released in 4years where it might be not relevant anymore. It takes allot of time and the hype is going down. It might become a disappointment.

naaah, it looks a shit.