Why did you decide to get treatment? psychopathyis.... Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding in Plain Sight by M.E. Thomas Available in Paperback and Kindle www.amazon.com...
i found it quite fascinating when she said the main factor that caused her to get help was because as her relationships in her life began to dissolve, which limited her 'career' options. such an unusual take on how her gain was being threatened and thus led her to seek help and alternate ways to approach her manipulation, rather than the loss of friends around her.
I mean it's good that she's taking steps towards treatment and personal management for her own benefit and by extension ours. But what's concerning is the way in which she pursues treatment entirely for her own ends until the outcomes approximate something the rest of us would deem "acceptable" even if only in terms of superficial appearance.
Most of the research on treating psychopaths that I ever read in university, and since, point to there being almost no other viable endpoint than the psychopath learning to adopt what one's society seems as more "acceptable" behavior, but it'll never change their nature. This disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder are incredibly difficult to treat not only because those afflicted are seldom convinced there's anything "wrong" with them but also because the nature of their personalities involves underdeveloped areas in their brains and it's nigh impossible at this point in time to radically alter (or perhaps repair) brain structure in such a way as to further develop said areas.
"If there's nobody around me, then I'm nothing". This is such an interesting dilemma for people with NPD and ASPD. Because at the same time people mean nothing to you, they mean the world to you, because they're those who validate your ego and your accomplishments. A life without people for those with ASPD or NPD is a dull life.
They're leeches. They don't care crap about human being enough to not feel guilty for causing them pain, but they can't live without them because humans are their energy source
This woman isnt a psychopath shes a sociopath 🤦🏻♀️i cant stand people who think their the same as me especially when its people in the medical field saying it ☠️
@chelseachyannejessyyork Check the explanation given by Dr Abigail Marsh and Dr Kent Kiehl on the subject. The valid and accurate scientific term is psychopathy. Sociopathy is not used in any psychometric measure, it is a pop psychology term for the most part. Just type their names in the youtube search bar, they'll explain.
@DavidMayTheII 😑haha.. 😂eh im alot like deku from My Hero Academia when i was a kid if someone yelled at me id start balling my eyes out 😅so we are normal some of us might get nervous i do about things were just fundamentalists 🤷🏻♀️ were born this way and those who are made are actually Chess players😅 which the military scouts for just like nasa scouts at science fairs they tried getting my mom in with bioengineering
This really made me appreciate therapists. I dont think I could do what they do because I see this woman and hear her answers and I think that if I were actually there, I would have zero idea on how to interact with her, much less how to help her. Now I know why good therapists get paid so well.
@@johnbeans2000 Did you read my comment? I said I know why they're paid well so obviously I know they get money. Are you a therapist? They do more than listen. They help people but its almost impossible with psychopaths because they don't see anything wrong with their behavior and don't want to change. Have you ever tried giving people advice? Its not easy because they all have different ways of thinking, of doing, of growing, of being, etc. "Just be happy" isnt going to work on someone in therapy for depression. Now consider schizophrenia, bipolar, borderline, anxiety, ptsd, etc. They dont just sit there. They change they way you think about your feelings. I doubt you could gget someone from being clinically depressed to mentally healthy all on your own by "listening", with zero education or experience. They need to understand their disorder and them as people and how do you understand someone that suffers with some disorder you have never had? Advice I give you could work for you but not on another person. I genuinely think therapy and being able to befriend people of all walks of life go hand-in-hand; that's not something anyone can do. Consider social, cultural, religious, political, gender, etc limitations too. All of that plays in to how a person thinks and acts.
They roam everywhere in society, they're probably your politician, doctor or teacher! That is scary but at the time, if they understand their condition and actively try to police their own behaviour, I think it's fine
I don't think she realises saying something bad then smiling isn't something people really do maybe she just hasn't heard anyone really talk about something bad hence theres little training data
well its because she knows she is manipulating the viewer so she can't stop herself from laughing because this is another effort for her to manipulate with people. She is just one big liar who gets a kick out of fooling people now with this thing with her going to therapy
Very accurate. This entire interview reminds me of how no one actually knew patrick bateman, he was just an "idea" but not a person. Patrick Bateman cant relate to, or empathize with, other people. He can't make a "connection" with others, he can only use them for company; the company gives him some kind of comfort but not real friendship.
The sad thing about this is that even though I have some empathy for her because her condition is not altogether her fault, I would still not interact with her beyond very surface level interactions because it would absolutely be not safe for me to trust her knowing the way she is. I'm glad that she is gaining insight into herself yet I do not think that how she is and acts can altogether be cured no matter how much she herself thinks that she is getting better.
Absolutely. I agree with you here and I have personal experience as my benchmark. I made the mistake of having empathy for someone like this and they purposefully ruined my life. I pray that they become self-aware someday and stop being a nightmare on others.
I once worked under a psychopath and had to request another manager. It is very telling because you knew he was pretending emotions and feelings. Behind his eyes was dead space.
“I decided to get help with my manipulation because people were onto me and I needed to become a better manipulator so they wouldn’t think I was manipulating them.”
I get what you're saying because it sure is creepy, however, laughing or smiling when saying uncomfortable things can be a pretty common mechanism, it just means you don't know how to express it in another way. It's pretty common in many other people, like autistic people.
@@naelpontes8444 I know but they obviously don't do that for this reason, but they certainly want us to believe it like this because they are really good at miming emotions they don't actually have to appear "normal"
@@karenalves1156 Not sure it would be that interesting. As far as i can work out my psychopathy is derived from an internal emptiness upon which layer after layer of what is in effect an act had been placed since i can remember. Ultimately it is all about self deception. For what its worth I think i lived the first 50 odd years of my life totally devoid of anything resembling a conscience and it is only by the grace of God that i did not end up seriously hurting people. That said i made my first wife have an abortion , something that haunts me to this day. She got very ill after the procedure and nearly died and whilst she was in the midst of her illness i left her. I then married again and treated my second wife very badly, no physical stuff just emotionally. Come my mid fifties i had a crisis of "conscience" due to infidelities and drug addictions and it was at that point my life changed somewhat i became a "born again christian" ( i no longer am religious or call myself a christian) and started developing a conscience and what i suppose could be identified as human emotions and feelings. I still suffer from feelings of alienation and dont warm to people much and try and avoid them where possible and have terrible insomnia. i was diagnosed with prostate cancer about a year ago so am dealing with that now. My life is not particularly interesting just life i suppose. I try and find beauty in nature and animals and find young children very charming and heart warming despite not having any of my own. I was badly sexually abused by a teacher when i was in my very early teens and while i dont think that was the sole cause of my woes, i certainly dont think it helped anything.
@@ricdavid7476 do you ever have been curious about how is to experience life as normal persons are supposed to do? (blinds, deaf, paralyzed, autistic and other people with physical or mental disabilities do)
@@mili6580 no not curious more a profound anxiety and constant feeling of loss trying to feel genuine emotion and empathy and truth. everything i am and do seems to be false and forced , i must admit to feeling jealous of those who are genuinely happy polite and courteous in their dealings with their fellow man.
I have borderline personality disorder and I see some parallels with relationships here. I have the same problems with employment, friends so on etc - everything is ruined and I start again over and over. BUT when I watched her other videos, she doesn’t care about animals, people - anything. It’s like she got therapy not to feel better but to see how she can create a template to get a better life but not be a better person.
at least people with BPD like us actually truly have empathy and care for another and can love. Just that it's so unstable sometimes because of our shaky sense of self
@@chelseachyannejessyyork hey i have bpd and im studying psychology because im fascinated with personality disorders especially, do you mind me asking if you've always felt this way and how you remember your childhood? to clarify, diagnostically there's only aspd and the terms sociopath and psychopath are used more colloquially, but they're both thought to be some forms of aspd
@spookeymo for me and my childhood i wasnt antisocial i just sort of became that i was more intelligent then other toddlers by 4 or 5 i started to not care to talk to others for the lack of their ability to understand that "im not a child im smarter then you think" 😅i gave up on kids my age and tried to talk to adults to have intelligent conversations 🥲which they just told me to go away🤷🏻♀️ at 7 i had a severe traumatic brain injury so i dont have all my memories but i was a very social kid i liked making other smile being a psychopath knowing how the world is i always it was better to be happy then sad all the time so why put worse out there its very confusing not being able to understand why others care for ppl they dont know but im a empath so i can still feel some form of their emotions ect* like that . My entire existence is a head injury none of it makes sense but like i said we have emotions but it takes different things to get to the same place
Considering that humans for at least 10+ years have to rely ENTIRELY on empathy to survive makes us irrationally afraid or unnerved by those who lack it. Empathy, alongside communication, is the barest foundation of a society; people who try to be edgy and say that society doesn't have empathy or need it are forgetting the 1 absolute reason why they've survived to adulthood; someone cared enough to feed, clean, and shelter you as a newborn and toddler.
There's always exceptions to rules and outliars in science plus we only know so much we know about the brain . Nothing is set in stone in my opinion just current knowledge. I see it unhealthy for people to say this is the science anyone else is wrong cus science can always change improve and realise they are wrong. I. Think socio and psychopathy is way more complex than we realise and i think its a spectrum but i could be wrong
to be a psychopath is to suffer from the symptoms of psychopathy. To not be a psychopath is to not suffer from the symptoms of psychopathy. Psychopathy is curable as the disease is fundamentally symptomatic. Psychopathy is a combination of behavioral conduct disorder(s) that fall under a common impulse, i.e: manipulation. You can resolve your worldview and associated conduct disorders with therapy and psychoanalysis, therefor psychopathy is objectively "curable". However, people usually aren't identified as psychopaths until their behavioral conduct creates serious problems in their lives- the resentment may have built up to a degree by this time that, while possible, it is highly unlikely the individual will rehabilitate themselves during their lifetime. We in society punish psychopaths, as normal people learn from punishment, but psychopaths feel punishment is just another obstacle to overcome in their objective. It is also subjective. If you were trading mortgage securities, you would be rewarded for "psychopathic" behavior, as you would present very strongly in negotiations, and would likely never accept a deal that puts you on the under hand. Try doing that to customers at taco bell, and see how far you get before you're wearing an ankle bracelet. TL;DR: psychopathy is fundamentally curable, but the psychopath must want to be rehabilitated, which means they must have done considerable work internally before seeking treatment. As such, the treatment rate is low, but most individuals who reach for help end up finding it in a meaningful way.
”If there is nobody around me then I am nothing”, such an interesting insight to how she felt. ”The chameleon dissapears when there is no one around”. Wow, isn’t this quantum physics, the particle that is only visible when we look at it… My brain is on overdrive intellectualizing this.
Fascinating right? There was a sociopath I knew once. I stopped imagining/predicting what he was up to or who he was hurting. I realized until I was in his vicinity and actively observing him, I will never be able to realize what he was up to. Total nightmare.
It is linked to a lack of a strong sense of self , hence her describing herself as some sort of vacuum . Not only psychopaths experience that !!!!!! I urge you to be a tiny bit more curious in analyzing vs judging . It will do you some good .
Thank you for confirming exactly what I thought. Psychopaths have 1 thing in common: their teeth are always expressing a smile uselessly while they are talking constantly betraying the way they really feel while expressing themselves to others. This is happening in every video with this person. I have a friend which acts just like this psychopath.
She seems like the kind of person who could step on a Lego and say "oh I think I just had an emotion." She is probably the same way in her relationships.
Went through a breakup with a psychopath, he was cold and strange at times, but he wasn't the horror other people describe psychopaths as. I kept wondering if he was a psychopath but thought he wasn't because of it so I thought he must love me that my suspicious were wrong. I am convinced now that he never actually loved me, these videos are helping me understand the different variations and spectrum. I really appreciate them. This woman and her interviews are SOO much like him, some things it feels verbatum something he would have said. I thought he was autistic, and maybe he's a dual diagnosis. but he is so much more like this woman than what I've learned of autism.
That’s not true lot some can end up on therapy for other reasons and find there one that way it’s unusual that this last just went for that alone but she is diagnosed they can scan your brain to see if you are one
I genuinely wonder how much of her claimed "response" to therapy is genuine, and how much is just standard psychopathic manipulation. This disorder is based in brain structure, and while I certainly hope we can achieve some changes there through therapeutic action, I have serious doubts that therapy alone could create improvements of the caliber this woman is discussing.
Your guess is as good as anyone's. Now as a Christian I don't believe that anyone is beyond redemption, that said I have my doubts about these kinds of people. Then again even serial killers have been known to find Christ and nothing is beyond God's power. But in the end I really don't know. All I can say is that I can occasionally feel empathy but at times I'm like stone cold and don't care about others at all. I don't want to be this way and I feel the Lord is changing that slowly too but you know... Not many people are like this by choice, it's a consequence of trauma, damage to the hypothalamus and the like
They know in most cases, about everything that’s wrong with them. They just don’t care because of lack of empathy. To put it differently, they acknowledge clearly that they’re doing wrong from an intellectual point of view but they don’t feel they are doing wrong from an emotional point of view. That’s because the parts of their brain responsible for shame, guilt and fear are switched of, with activating only in rare occasions and for a short time. If they get to the point of intellectually understanding that manipulating and hurting people goes against their best interest( as she said every three years her life would crumble) they may change their ways. That being said, is not gonna be a change from an emotional point of view, they will still not feel empathy as they are incapable of it, but they will mend their ways to benefit themselves. If you want to benefit yourself, you’ll need to be truthful, trustworthy, nice and polite, do no harm and the average person will not harm the psychopath. As much as to most psychopath it gives a sense of superiority and satisfaction to either harm others or manipulate them, and they find pleasure from it, to others it gives a sense of superiority and satisfaction knowing what they’re capable of but being so strong and mighty to not do it. One more thing, is not that they have no feelings, is that they have no empathy, shame, guilt or fear, or any feelings towards others. That do care about they’re image though, that’s why they won’t tolerate people calling them out and putting them on a shameful spot.
The reason she sought out treatment isn't because she understood that her behaviour is bad, but rather because of the destructive consequences for her resulting from her behaviour. The only way you can teach psychopaths empathy is by relating it to their personal benefit.
Teach psychopath - how to feel guilty, how to feel empathy, how to fear, how to love, how to feel lonely, how to feel sadness; looks like training an AI robot.
I am a very logical person, so I often cannot relate to people when they have emotional issues, and when I try to explain my thought process to people they don't seem to understand it as I do. I can relate to the feeling of simply not existing outside of the boundaries around you but my logical thinking lets me realize that I am still there as I do have a body and sensations.
"Me manipulating the people I was in a relationship with led to THEM having issues". OMG! Obviously her manipulating people was not her problem but their's. I guess if you can feel no empathy for others, everything you do, no matter how horrible, is their problem.
She basically said her way of acting as a psychopath is destroying her life and success because it badly affects people around her. So she doesn't care about people around her , she is going to therapy for herself and in that way helping her environment. Very interesting to see. Maybe this kind of humans would be useful in a dystopia setting. I wonder where this version of homo sapiens sapiens would thrive if mother nature made them
I started beaming as she was talking; way to go, baby! I find it so deeply interesting that she needed to develop a sense of self to be able to feel more nuanced emotions, and especially more subtle relational emotions. this is so cool, I didn't really know emotional...sensitivity? can be learned, or that psychopathy can be worked on in therapy. I also laughed when she said something like, "having more emotions now is nice, but it's actually HARD to have emotions." preach.
Everyone in the comment section is like “don’t think you can fool me I know your evil” it’s funny how empathy only matters to a human when they get it in return
Sometimes my eye contact isn't very good , like if I get shy or if I'm doing something and focusing on that, i can't look at the person much 😂 I would actually say lack of eye contact is not a usual physchopathic trait , usually their eye contact is intense / stares more like 😂
Probably, that can and does happen. I don’t see why people would do that though, I can’t stand therapy. My new therapist gives me sweets for doing well; the one I see face to face at least
Well...yes? But as another psychopath said, he does nice things for his wife, but he does it as a social currency. He even asked her one time, "You know I didn't feel like doing that out of kindness, right? I just do it because I feel it benefits me in the long run, like you'll return the favor." His wife explained to him that you can't really ever know why anyone is motivated to do anything for anyone else. Which is not wrong. So, yes, some psychopaths will actually become more manipulative, but others will get better and play the role of being a better member of society, while actually not feeling genuine motivations for nice social exchanges, but they'll still attempt to integrate. You can only manipulate someone so far before they throw you away; and psychopaths are aware that consequences exist, as the speaker in the video explained, so it's not like they're just going to keep manipulating someone they see as a beneficial bond--because they understand you can't keep starting over as a long term strategy, it's unsustainable.
Gosh, that would be 80th master level of manipulation! From what she said, it doesn't look like this at all. She is self-focused and reflective. And I'm someone who was in therapy as well, that's how I know. She genuinely said she benifited from therapy, and the nuances and insight like this are difficult to make up. Her primary focus on this was self benifit and it's great!
"I am nothing." Reminds me of that part in American Psycho where hes doing his morning routine and he says the line, "There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory. I simply am not there."
Its been said that to treat a psychopath successfully would be the same as trying to remove the gallbladder of a Hare in flight.Its amazing how she injects grandiosity even when talking about her sense of needing help by slipping in getting a "law degree"She is not getting treatment she is learning how to be a better psychopath, she can add the language of self awareness to her repitore of harming and manipulating others
Interesting, I also can't stick to my career for a long time, and other people are not able to tolerate me in their company for a long time. So I also have thoughts about running out of enterprises where I can work. I can create a good impression for a short time, but in the long run it becomes very complicated and almost impossible, and people probably look through me and see something... wrong may be, I don't know what they don't like.
@@mildajuoda638 A lot of psychopaths in walking in society not Harming anybody and are just trying to live their lives, they choose to follow the rules. Although they are a small percentage and make up most of the prison population there are still some that choose to be good, although they can't feel empathy for othees. it all comes up to personal choice really it's not like psychopaths are possessed to commit crimes.
For all the people saying “It’s crazy how casually she can talk about being a psychopath…” What do you expect her to do? Turn the lights off and stab everybody?
I think a saw a real emotion, of deception, when she saidshe had to start all over again every three years. She is really interesting and I wish her healing. I understand mood disorders. I have depression myself, but personality disorders are really hard for me to grasp.
Only realized half way through this part. She killed that possum in the other part. She didn't go do something else, she killed it, and her reasoning (for that lie) in the last episode was that telling people she killed it during this series where she's supposed to be sincere, would be detrimental and invalidate her story, reduce her value to the viewer, so she lied.
why would she lie about that? she said she left it there to drown, she just didn't want to bother finishing drowning it herself. that doesn't make her look good lol. she could have just not brought it up in the first place if she was trying to look good. people are sooo bad at psychoanalyzing it's insane. your theory literally makes zero sense but you're so sure of it hahaha
@@DevinDTV because she didnt think it would sound so bad, until it did. So she backpeddled. Its not psychoanalysis, its common sense. Just cause you didnt catch it doesnt mean you need to get all salty. Psychos are good at manipulating. So dont feel bad. Actually do, yr a cnt.
I used to cry that may hands were in pain... Until I saw a man with no hands. Then I saw a woman who had no feelings. And locked my door with my own hands. And cried all over again...
I have a good friend an academic who looks similar to this person and she has also always been grinning while she spoke , many other people commented on it how odd it was ,I was so used to it having known her for years but now seeing this I wonder
I am questioning whether this woman is a textbook psychopath. Most pychopaths do not self-reflect. They act on instinct to bether their situation via manipulation, no matter the consequences to those around them. If they use a relationship to further their aims, they don't pontificate on the ones they leave behind because they focus on the fact they have achieved their goal of a better position. Their lives don't fall apart, those of the ones they interact with do. She may be on the scale, but if we're really honest, we can relate to much of what she says. Maybe this series is a ruse to get us all to see ourselves as psychopaths. This woman is no Ted Bundy, aside from the same smile maybe.
Its a myth that all psychopaths are serial killers or capable of being so. No such thing as "textbook" psychopath which is why it takes trained medical professionals to diagnose one.
I was watching a lot of Serial Killers documentaries and about Ted Bundy that scored 39/40 on psychopathy test. Is it really true if you see for example decapitated body "sitting" in the park that it wouldn't effect you or your primary thought would be: Is it save for me to still be here?
1. I thought that she was in her 40s. 2. She reminds me of Hillary Clinton 3. A real psychopath only talks this "candidly" after being sentenced to 5 life sentences and is using it as performance art. 4. She's basically just trying to excuse the fact that she treats people horribly.
Why? What is her benifit here or fron writing a book? She sounds very self-wellness and self-awareness focused. It's true that most psychosocionarcs don't pursue it though. They replace it with self-gratification and omnipotence
The only reason I've said so many horrible things here about this person is because I know she's laughing at all of us without even a second thought or care. Call me a victim. (Or, maybe someone should call HER a victim. A _new_ one!_ ) This is a promising world we live in where forums like this allow for understanding both on HER part and OURS. She mentioned that with therapy she range of emotions grew. This reminds me of The Eurythimics songs "Here Comes The Rain Again." (A song is C major, but who's verse works off it's relative minor: A-minor). "Here comes the rain again. Falling on my head like a memory. Falling on my head like a new emotion." C major, I see as red, and individually, it sounds warm and weighty in texture. Love songs are continually written in this key. Songs of personal experience and happenstance. A final note is that I have notices that serial killers and sociopaths often speak in what I call non-base keys. Meaning they speak in the black keys, not the white ones. The black keys are the "complex keys" to me. I have videos of examples of John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahmer spacing of their crimes in A-flat. Blue. The key of death. Whereas, I have observed that in general conversation we speak to each other in the key of G. Aquamarine. Key of fluidity. // What's interesting here is that 2:06 she DOES speak in A-flat (key of death/blue), but after talking about have a newer, expanded sense of of self after therapy, she speaks around the root tones of the keys of B and B-flat. Therefore, she undergoes change. She has grown. I think it's as much an age of Enlightenment as it is a perceived age of world of Doom & Gloom as portrayed by entertainment such as Doja Cat and Billie Eilish were they present themes not only as demons, serpents, and fallen angels, but with the context of a wold of fire, and destruction. Their perceived world of horror and evil both within and without. Yet, clearly in this video there is a true revelation of human understanding, and even an sense of peace within one's self. Even if that self is of lizard. Sure, change is not easy, and it an even hurt. Greatly. But I DO se hope. I see the light. Thanks to all and God Bless, Your, _Acoustic Rabbit Hole_
@witzemacher thanks, totally see that. Especially since it’s more of a social descriptor rather than medical term. A psychopath is usually more tame and plotting, and even more void of emotion than a sociopath from my understanding. Like I guess a psychopath can be on a high speed chase, and their heart rate will still be normal, whereas a sociopath may have just a slightly higher raised heart rate than baseline. I know both have aspd and more similarities than differences but the differences are definitely interesting.
