Astral vs Umbral | FFXIV Lore For Beginners

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It's the requested follow up to my first Final Fantasy XIV Lore video. Today we're talking Astral v Umbral! Designed to help new players get into the game, help returning players catch up, and give current players something to refresh themselves with.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:21 - Astral v Umbral: History
01:40 - Astral v Umbral: Elements
03:25 - Astral AND Umbral together
05:29 - SPOILERS HERE

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29 июн 2024

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@incap6038 2 года назад

One thing we have to consider with the behaviours of Voidsent and Sin Eaters. Voidsent are active, chaotic and always on the move. They possess more personality, ambition and aggression, actively betraying each other and manipulating others for their own gain. They talk, boast, taunt others, hold people hostage and a myriad of other acts. They behave like individuals, morally corrupt individuals with no inhibition or self control. Sin Eaters operate more like a hive. They gather around the largest of their kind, who are content to sit in some hole and just gouge on aether, occasionally sweeping through some village to do so. They don't act with a sense of individualism, and behave very much like drones in a hive mind. They don't talk, or do anything, other than act on an instinct of feeding. They possess no free will, they have no personality or ambition.

@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs 2 года назад

So Chaos and Order taken to their respective extremes. Huh.

@KyrialArthian 2 года назад

I feel like this comment should be pinned; it's such good insight. :)

@WhiteW01f 2 года назад

@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs This is starting to feel very similar to the plot of FFDissidia

@Zayuro 2 года назад

You could also argue that the Source's warriors of LIGHT are trying their best to preserve the status quo (Hydaelyn's preservation, countering the Dark and it's minions), hence causing a sort of stasis where as those pushing the agenda of the Dark seek change, even if it's not in everyone's best interests.

@astrealbrizbee9815 2 года назад

And fun fact, our Party system works like a hive that rushes in to defeat and consume Primals, aka living Aether.

@Poukena 2 года назад

Your light and pigment analogy was really spot on for explaining the differences between how the Source and the First view Astral and Umbral. Really enjoyed this episode!

@dale7326 2 года назад

There is the thirdteen. The fact that we have less info on the 9 other shards are likely explained somewhere in the future

@RothAnim 2 года назад

@@dale7326 Quite possibly. Right now we only know what's happening in two of the shards; the First, and the Thirteenth. 7 others have been rejoined to the source (destroyed), leaving only 4 others unaccounted for. There is some wild speculation that FF16 might take place on one of the Shards, due to thematic similarities with 14, but that also just might just be the result of the creatives exploring ideas that they weren't able to integrate into 14 in an unrelated story.

@wobblysauce 2 года назад

Yep, it works out great.

@craigmitivier637 2 года назад

I'm a little confused, for Astral energies why did you use terminologies that would be categorized as tragedies? Then Umbrel, why connect it too an item used on a day too day basis?

@TheVenomSpartan 2 года назад

@@craigmitivier637 I believe it's due to the active/passive natures of those scenarios. Something like a tidal wave is visceral, it can, and likely will create change. A small pond would be stagnant, and likely unchanging, therefore being passive.

@johndipietro9301 2 года назад

There's an interesting line when you beat Leviathan - he will say something to the effect of "My waters are stilled... is this the power of the Light?" DEFINITELY something to consider...

@kio4896 2 года назад

I mean...not really. He's just saying "Crap, I was beaten. Light's champion sure is buff."

@Raxen95 2 года назад

I think you're reading too much into it.

@astrealbrizbee9815 2 года назад

@@Raxen95 That's literally our job is to look into stuff like this lmao

@TheCookidi 2 года назад

I like this. I seem to recall other primals having set up lines for later revelations aswell

@peelsreklaw 2 года назад

@@Raxen95 not necessarily. This game has lots of story threads that pay off many expansions after they're introduced.

@Castersvarog 2 года назад

Something worth mentioning about Umbral electric/Fire is that we do see Umbral electricity in The churning mists, which has a weather called Umbral static. In addition, background lore officially states that Ul’dah is aspected towards Fire all the time, but it’s Umbral which causes a giant desert.

@GrotslagBrickface 2 года назад

I hope this blossoms into a passion for FFXIV lore videos because these have been a pleasure to watch.

@Sith9890 2 года назад

only Jesse could get me to watch a side lesson to the lore of a game I don't play

@Skyblade12 2 года назад

Have you given the free trial a shot?

@IrideaeSnowbloom 2 года назад

@@Skyblade12 You mean the free trial to the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV, which includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward expansion up to lvl60 with no restrictions on playtime? I heard you can sign up, and enjoy Eorzea today!

@Lilly_Belle 2 года назад

What I find interesting is that Hydaelyn and Zodiark represent our understanding of Astral and Umbral perfectly, as well. Hydaelyn actively chooses champions to further her cause and even speaks and appears before people. Zodiark, however, has never been seen nor heard in the entirety of FFXIV. We've seen a dark crystal, yes, but never Zodiark himself. But that doesn't mean they fully encompass what we believe to be Astral and Umbral. Just as Hydaelyn has her Warriors of Light, so too does Zodiark have the Ascians. Darkness overtook The Thirteenth, but Light nearly stole The First. And people are all so quick to turn on Hydaelyn and call her evil because of what happened on The First, but what really happened there? Ascians caused the flood of light. Who stopped the flood of light? Hydaelyn. Hydaelyn sacrificed a massive amount of her power to halt the flood and even gave up her only way of speaking, namely Minfillia, to help us in our fight. I don't think Hydaelyn or Zodiark is evil. I think they're balanced and are both capable of active and passive interaction with the world.

@XDependent 2 года назад

One thing I would say is that, interestingly. Hydaelyn and Zodiark also perfectly represent the First’s understanding of ‘Light’ and ‘Dark’ as well. Zodiark and his followers’ goals are to actively cause the Calamities to cause the Rejoining. They encourage the summoning of Primals which actively absorb in the surrounding Aether. Meanwhile, Hydaelyn’s whole purpose is to keep Zodiark in check - in stasis, essentially. The goals of the ‘Warrior of Light’ is to bring about peace and stability a to make the world more passive. It’s one of the great bit of storytelling in the game that the concepts of Astral Dark and Umbral Light work even on the characters associated with them.

@tjongdavid1921 2 года назад

Or both Hydaelyn and Zodiark can be both Astral and Umbral like any other elements depending on the circumstances. In a way they mirror each other. LoL

@gnw_AstA 2 года назад

This comment needs more likes because it do be spitting facts.

@RothAnim 2 года назад

Interesting thought! Maybe the Source's views on "Light/Active/Astral" vs. "Dark/Passive/Umbral" might purely be a result of Hydaelyn being active and Zodiark being imprisoned there, while the first is more about the way pre-sundering Zodiark consumed life for actions, vs Hydaelyn putting a stop to that.

@jameslennie5203 2 года назад

It's a bit more then what happened to the first if you know who actually caused the sundering

@dprture 2 года назад

knowing jesse was a history teacher makes these videos even better, everything just makes sense when he explains it

@Amovetv Год назад

Such a good rundown! Look forward to watching past the spoiler warning someday!!!!!

@ShiaraMoon 11 месяцев назад

Once you hit the level 74 quests, it is safe to watch 👍🏻

@ReallyNotAGoose 2 дня назад

So... Did y'all ever revisit these videos?

@Burred11 2 года назад

I cannot believe that I, for the first 30 seconds of this video, was like "hmm, where have I heard this background music from before?" only to then realize, "oh right, FF14... go figure"

@Devhead39 2 года назад

And he did it all without a single "thou" or "must needs". Urianger better watch out.

@xanxv1246 2 года назад

For real, when Urianger talks to much i'm forced to skip because i fucking lose my mind (i'm spanish and for me it's hard enough to pay attention to this extense narrative in a different lenguage)

@wolfspledge1762 2 года назад

@@xanxv1246 it always amazes me how there isn't a spanish translation of this game, we have french and german, no direspect to those of course, but spanish is MUCH more widely spoken

@xanxv1246 2 года назад

@@wolfspledge1762 yeah... sadly this happens with barely all Square Enix games, there is a lot of games that for some reason don't support spanish, i find that if FFXIV had a spanish traduction (not even voice, just game text) they would have tons of players, both Southamerica and Spain would play this game way more

@trivialslope 2 года назад

This is a nice refresher while playing Shadowbringers

@KisiroKitsune 2 года назад

Wonderfully edited and informative video Jesse, just as before! There is one thing I'd mention too though: How some areas have different amounts of aspected aether. Like Coerthas has a lot of astral ice aether so is cold and snowy, while Thanalan has a lot of umbral fire aether so is dry and hot.

@Derpinator01 2 года назад

My personal thoughts for the ending question are that whether order/stagnation and chaos/change are good or bad is a matter of perspective based on one's position. If you're in the middle of a thriving civilization that thinks itself Hydaelyn's gift to Eorzea, then of course you'd want to keep that around, even as the luster starts to fade. On the opposite end, if you've lost everything in a calamity and are struggling to pick up the pieces, then of course you'd take any change you can get, because even danger would be better than having absolutely nothing. This even ties into how the eras cycle between prosperity and calamity, with each era having its own problems and highlights.

@CozyRozzy 2 года назад

I'm so happy to see your passion for this game grow into such a well put together and important series to the game. Keep going! I'm so proud of you and everyone involved.

@Lukazzh 2 года назад

Dude I thought you would be doing more? These are so good.

@acgearsandarms1343 2 года назад

You could give aetherologists a run for their money with this video. It’s that good.

@renemuller7383 2 года назад

Jessys last musings somehow reminded me of Ardberts last words in Heavensward. "Light ... Dark.. it doesn't matter.. what matters is how you use it.!

@theoriginaltubeofyous 9 месяцев назад

really really interesting to see after Endwalker and think about how Zodiark was actively summoned to passively stop the active end of the universe by actively keeping the aether currents flowing around the star as a sort of magnetosphere against the end of days.

@kitsunehanyou09 2 года назад

I love teacher Jesse's energy, it helped me reinforce things I already knew from the game but also gave me a new perspective to look at it--like I didn't think about how the graph was structured. Props to Dan for adding that old ass Classroom TV and vhs player for presentations

@pamharvestcraft 2 года назад

As someone who just got into FFXIV in the last month(s), I'm so happy to be able to explore the lore better with a fantastic voice. :)

@terrafria 2 года назад

no kidding, i started playing maybe 4 months ago and spent most of that time trying to catch up to my friend who had played the till the end of a realm reborn already. I love lore but when your trying to catch up to someone else you lose a lot of information in the rush, also holy cow do they drop a lot of stuff on you along with story. The two videos so far have helped so much in understanding a lot of those things i didn't quite get the full understanding of! Sadly I've only made it to stormblood so in order to enjoy the lore and story i must click away. Will hopefully return to watch more when i finally reach Shadowbringer!

@Steve-mi4ew 2 года назад

I played this game since 2014 and had always skipped every dialogue of the entire MSQ, etc. I simply "didn't care about the lore" - shoot, I even skipped Stormblood entirely because I just wanted to get to the latest expansion (back in 2019). Knowing that Endwalker was around the corner, I didn't understand why everyone was losing their s%!t over the lore and felt like I really didn't know the game all too well. I am proud to say that I 'New Game Plus+' the ENTIRE MSQ (ARR -> SDW B.) this year! - And OMG it was AMAZING!! I am so glad I did it and am absolutely excited about the next expansion!! I remember going through that cutscene in Shadowbringers and as like..."WTH, I'm confused." lol This video really cleared that confusion up alot!!! Thanks!!

@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 2 года назад

honestly I'm glad NG+ exists but the fact that most MMO's push a player to the end game so you're stuck on a 24/7 treadmill just for the hopes to join an end game group saddens me. I mean spending so much money and the only real content is at best 12 hours of total fight time (if each fight takes 10-15 mins with no wipes). that seems like a heavy imbalance from an economic pov.

@zoruasnivy 2 года назад

@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 It really depends on why you play the game and how much you value the activities you choose to do. The nice thing I like about FFXIV compared to other MMOs is that it actually gives you options. Some people love spending months trying to clear hard content and gear up while others play the game for the glamour. I'm in the camp of people who enjoy the story, lore, and a lot of the side content like Deep Dungeons, Blue Mage, and Fishing. It feels like an entirely different game from those who dedicate their time to getting a Savage or Ultimate clear (I can respect those that try to beat hard content). I completely agree with you that some other MMOs feel impossible to play if you work a job away from the house even. There's definitely a time spent vs reward question I'd by asking myself there.

@00031849 2 года назад

Bless you Jesse. I can't wait for more FFXIV lore videos. You nail everything on those videos!!

@xagric1840 2 года назад

Dude, keep this going. Cover everything! This is great. I love your energy and passion so far and honestly, I can't wait to see more!

@miqotesoulia8620 2 года назад

Loved the pigment segment! really good stuff, you explain this very well too with the Astral and Umbral Mixtures. Full glad to support you!

@KhionePheonix 2 года назад

This is actually a super helpful video that makes these concepts very clear. You did an amazing job with this

@yummypancakes7768 2 года назад

Wow this was even more interesting and mindblowing than I was expecting, amazing job! The Shadowbringers portion got me thinking like crazy

@DudeTrustMe30 2 года назад

This is a really good explanation, i started this week playing the game and i gotta say i'm loving it so far.

@Joopy707 2 года назад

loving this series so much!! I just started playing and you just happened to release these videos, perfect timing

@lelelekop 2 года назад

I deeply appreciate your videos for FF14. I've been trying to find lore-related content for ages and yes there are some but not as in-depth and as detailed as yours. I hope you do more as I would surely keep on coming back to know more about the game we love and live in.

@Jadfisk 2 года назад

Damn, its crazy how you just keep improving your videos. I watched your stuff a lot back in 2013, but your recent videos are MILES ahead and it’s obvious how much passion you still have for it. Glad to see it 🔥🙏🏻

@Zahruk 2 года назад

Yes! Love your passion about lore! Keep 'em coming, your style is great, can't wait for the next ones!

@kriswright2585 2 года назад

These videos are ridiculously good, thank you for the hard work. Keep spoiling us, please.

@Largegaybird 2 года назад

I love the way you explained this, thank you so much for making this. You really helped me understand something that was a real head scratcher for me. Your initial lore video was amazing too. I’d be super interested to hear you explain more about the lore in FFXIV for sure.

@SilverLuna07 2 года назад

Nooo, I can only watch half the video! Thank you Jesse for all the hard work you put in! I am loving these videos so far!

@azazeldrakonis7087 Год назад

Pls gimme more lore! I love the way you present this info and as someone who never played any of the other games and finds themselves occasionally cutscene skipping so they can play with everyone else, I appreciate these so much.

@sothedain5801 2 года назад

This video series has been immensely helpful. I'm several months into the game, starting Stormblood, and it's helped SO much. Especially since I'm playing a Black Mage

@Harl3inger 2 года назад

Fantastic stuff. I've talked about this with friends and it's good to see your nicely put together video on the topic.

@itoast2912 4 месяца назад

Ive watched both your lore videos twice now. They do such a great job of explaining how everything works and comes together. I hope to see more in future possibly on the lore of the jobs in game 🙏🏻

@HeyHeyNeon 2 года назад

Thanks for having a clear indication of when the spoiler content starts! Really neat and easy to digest explanation! ^^

@PhilCW10 2 года назад

Great video, Jesse! I was one of the many confused by your tease about light and pigment, but you did a great job! Fantastic work, keep up the passion projects!

@Evmeistah 2 года назад

good god i needed this summary after finishing SHB last year, that mural cutscene and uberdanger did not stick at all like this. Thank you teacher jesse

@danlei88 2 года назад

1:17 Kudos to the animator who made the burning planet/star be the FFXIV Meteor Logo thingy. Brilliant!

@Rozonkomo 2 года назад

This was absolutely great, Jesse! This was exactly what I was hoping you would go into when I voted in favor of not only making this extra video on your first guide, but explicitly called out it would be worth mentioning the philosophical differences presented by the beliefs of the First. As well as what that means for the connotations of these words to us as players and characters. It didn't necessarily need to play out with full spoilers in effect, but that certainly made it easier to get to the heart of the matter rather than talk around it vaguely.

@kennethlee6145 2 года назад

Thanks for this. You are my new favourite RU-vidr, filling a gap I never thought I needed. Do more of these history lessons.

@Xavien12 2 года назад

Thank you so much for making these videos. I had a surface level understanding of most of these things initially but after your explanation it has become much clearer.

@ZephWraen 2 года назад

Your color theory comparison is spot on, Jesse. Good job!

@silxer3154 2 года назад

Jesse: "Now it would be a good time to go (to avoid spoilers)." Me: "Darn, welp back to Heavensward! Until next time."

@tinybee7780 2 года назад

Good stuff. Really looking forward to your next videos. The stuff about the colors and pigments blending together to either form white or black is really neat, like as Jesse said, all about perspective.

@CallaSoreon 2 года назад

Loving this series already Jesse. Very condensed and easy to understand for sprouts like me.

@Jo-sm4do 2 года назад

Loving these lore videos, Jesse. Keep 'em coming!

@Drefanify 2 года назад

I'm so into this series. Great stuff. It only serves to deepen my appreciation of the world, and my eventual second playthrough will be so much better with this knowledge in advance.

@DanManginelli 2 года назад

Thank you so much for these videos, they're GREAT Jesse! 😁

@tpickles67 2 года назад

That pigment vs light analogy was nicely done. Great video man, thanks.

@amie7628 2 года назад

Awesome and thorough video. Thank you for what you do for the XIV community. We appreciate you!

@Highstar25 4 месяца назад

now that we have more details, I'd love to see these videos return and give us a breakdown about the twelve, the world unsundered and hydalyn/zodiark's creation.

@PetarBladeStrok 2 года назад

Your color analogy was absolutely amazing. Great video!

@Sassjor 2 года назад

Hey Jesse I love the little animations with your explanations.

@BorgWolf359 2 года назад

Very good job! Can't wait for the next vid!

@xanxv1246 2 года назад

Instant like before even watching the video, i was afraid you would leave those lore videos in the first, you are the BEST explaining the lore and it's something i absolutely love for me and to introduce my friends in FFXIV, so please keep it going

@GreenLanternR 2 года назад

Professor Jesse giving us another wonderful video. Great work here man!

@ajbeaudry9056 2 года назад

Keep those FFXIV lore videos coming Jesse! 10/10 content!

@eighter5720 2 месяца назад

Holy shit this video is amazing. I usually find it hard to pay attention and grasp stuff, but you broke it down like I'm 5. I love that. Thank you so much.

@kendric99 2 года назад

Thanks Jesse! Another fantastic video. I'm loving these!

@zenmachina6735 2 года назад

About to start the game for the first time. Thank you for all the knowledge, you are amazing dude!

@stanheras9118 2 года назад

As someone who's been confused about the lore since 2.1, thank you thank you thank you. I'm eager to see more in the future

@soseboogs 2 года назад

high quality stuff ... and paired with passion to boot. good stuff good stuff

@Firnren 2 года назад

Really looking forward to the next video in the series

@Hifrombuddha 2 года назад

This is awesome! Can't wait for more!

@dizzlebizzle8424 2 года назад

i really like need these videos Jesse, just getting into the game and there aren't many who present the lore the way people want it, like you do it!

@Dusk_Breeze 2 года назад

As a beginner in FFXIV this and the first video really answered a lot of question I had and explained things I didn't understand, I am very much looking forward to more.

@Hellbane224 2 года назад

With these videos? You can easily tell Jesse was a teacher. And from what I've seen? He was an excellent teacher.

@Zelaji 2 года назад

Im really glad you are making these videos and love hearing teacher mode Jesse!

@belhihihi 2 года назад

Im still so happy you came around and gave XIV a second chance. Now you are making vids on it we love them!

@whitefox703 2 года назад

I Hope we get more of these. I check for them almost daily.

@Hornswroggle 2 года назад

Where the point of perspective became apparent to me was the designation of Astral and Umbral Eras. Because think of what happens when a calamity strikes and an "Umbral" Era (the "Dark" age) begins - it is a time of great upheaval and change. In short: Activity Conversely to that an "Astral" Era (the "Bright"/"Golden" age) is a time of calm, stability, even tranquility at times. Or...: Passivity

@cosmicalchemy013 2 года назад

And I just tweeted out about how I was excited for the next vid! This was AMAZING and makes me only more interested in the story we're gonna get come Endwalker!

@Dom380 2 года назад

Wonderful video as always

@MyraAmherst2018 2 года назад

Holy shot all of this makes sense and it's blowing my mind lol like this can even relate to real life if you deeply and truly think about it 🤯

@MumonguGaming 2 года назад

Great editing and explanations - A+

@AdorableNinja19 2 года назад

Love watching these videos and can’t wait to see more!

@nslater1388 2 года назад

I do thank you for this. I’ve watched that Astral/Umbral scene with Urianger many times and never quite understood it. It’s all clear now. Thanks.

@Arkydos 2 года назад

Another awesome video. Thanks for making it. I was kinda sure what happens in shadowbringers, but man. This video helped a lot with really understanding it xD

@B4rberblacksheep 2 года назад

God I love these videos, it's great to have the lore summarised like this

@SharpsPanda 2 года назад

Keep'em coming Cox!

@cindycs Год назад

Thank you SO much for making these videos ❤

@Melodeream 2 года назад

Epic video, keep them coming!

@wpelfeta 2 года назад

Damn. I guess I'll come back for the second half of the video. I've been enjoying just slowly crawling through this game doing every single quest and exploring every zone. haha. The lore is awesome

@zodbones 2 года назад

This was quite enlightening professor Jesse Thank you!

@davemanxx 2 года назад

This is really informative and interesting, thanks Jesse! I'll be back for the second half once I finish Shadowbringers!

@Darkkan13 2 года назад

Thanks for these videos. Really enjoyed them.

@chillstrix 2 года назад

Wasn't it mentioned in the game before that the Ice element has the highest affinity to Light, which explains why Paladin's "Holy Spirit" skill effect is shaped like an icicle? Not to mention whole deal with Shiva in Shb.

@Wesley76515 2 года назад

Which would mean that it's opposite (Lightning) is closest to Darkness.

@wolfspledge1762 2 года назад

Ice being closest to Light was mentioned during the Shiva arc of the Eden story.

@tuppybash625 2 года назад

So very concise. Love your lore.

@lene501 2 года назад

Mind = BLOWN. I'm a happy little sprout that don't mind spoilers and this was a WILD ride :D Thanks for making these, they are wonderful for a new player ^^