Auckland Clip 4: On Cain and Abel 

Cain was Satan seed, eve fuckt Satan then fuckt Adam. The 2 children.were born from different blood lines The COCK RULES are the first born male interets the kingdom. In the event of a bastards child in the house, well they are exiled, persecuted, and driven away by every action a human can muster against another. The stupid thing here is cain tries to emulate abel by making sacrifices to his brothers God./ grand father. He obviously did not know he was Satan son. Otherwise he would have known that all attempts to impress grandad/God, were never going to gain anything but condemnation and scorn. His reward ? Walk the earth forever marked on the face. Maybe Cain killed abel to punish God for treating him like a kunt all his life. Oh. And the part "the punishment is too great, anyone finding him will kill him" so who are these peoples that will find him and kill him ? Adam, eve, Cain, God, Satan and ?????. Peterson personal flavour interpreting this event as a dick head who didn't try enough is ridiculous. It's his adgenda study. And kindergarten at best.

@@charliejeans2413 Cain was the first democrat.

@Charlie Jeans You have no source except your own imagination

@@charliejeans2413 I think your right about noticing a child and a bastard child hold different meanings in the telling of a story. A child is as close to godly as man can achieve yet a bastard child is a euphemism used to illustrate the consequence of choice and how disconnected consequence can be from the choice which was its' catalyst. Why do we even tell stories after all and why does prejudice exist in a story. Another reason we shouldn't expect to understand every situation to a degree in which we feel we can judge it. Sometimes you just can't see true understanding because of the complexity and therefore we can understand poor choice can lead to prejudice against someone making a good choice ex: getting stabbed by a jealous brother. What do we do to deserve the sacrifice we must make, well well sometimes our choice has nothing to do with it because it is the resulting consequence of the choice of another. Some of us have to climb unimaginable peaks and some of us just have to walk down a hill but the idea is both are equally blessed ;)

@@VernonChitlen does that mean Abraham was a republican? If not, then who might have been the first republican according to the logic of your analogy.

Nowhere does the Bible endorse slavery. A common misconception is that slaves in Israel were bought, sold or taken against their will. However, people who ended up "slaves" were more like indentured servants -- people who found themselves in a difficult situation and in return for food and board would work for a family or group until they were ready to leave under agreement. This was often the result of war, people destitute and cut off, in need of a stable situation rather than going their own way to probable increased hardship or starvation. In such servitude, masters were never to treat them harshly or there would be severe consequences. The relatively modern view of slavery we have derives from certain groups going to foreign lands deliberately to buy and/or remove people into forced slavery. This is very much at odds from Biblical slavery. Paul even calls himself a slave of Christ. This is because he willingly became an indentured servant to Jesus for the rest of his life.

Except what I explained is supported by what the scriptures actually say, instead of just saying "the Bible supports slavery" and leaving it at that. It helps if you can explain your position in detail instead of assuming.

You have to be able to show what you mean. It's easy to cop out and say that the Bible advocates slavery, implying it means the same thing as the African plantation slavery racket. Not good enough.

madwtube If you have to go to an orthodox rabbi in order to understand what the Bible means when it uses the word "slavery," you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

@madwtube And there's your true colours. Came out in the end. Smh.

That's how I read it too. 6 times through the Bible, cover to cover, and it took JBP to see it properly.

While I generally agree with what you have said, I would like to add that sacrifices don’t guarantee the rewards. It’s just your best bet. If you sacrifice with only the goal in mind, in some regards it is a worse sacrifice than one doing willingly and freely with the knowledge that the goal may or may not be achieved. The arbitrariness of life has to be accounted for in situations such as this one.

@This Guy Miko If you listen to Peterson's talks you'll see that he works very hard to eliminate divisive rhetoric. Abel's behavior perfectly summarizes a type of person that can be seen in any walk of life -- liberal, conservative and anywhere in between.

@no name Wow. I'd just ignore your comments because they're so inflammatory, but in case anyone else is following this thread: During the course of an intense and prolonged family crisis, Peterson was prescribed an anti-anxiety medication to which he became dependent. It's likely he was unaware of this dependency until he attempted to stop taking the medication and experienced withdrawal, at which point he checked himself into rehab. To need and ask for help when life's stresses become too much is not an indicator of 'failure'. It's utterly unreasonable to condemn the entire body of anyone's work on the basis of their personal struggles. To be clear: I'm not a big Peterson fan. I listen to him because I want to understand those who think differently than I do, and he explains things in a way that isn't insulting toward those who don't agree with him -- and yet those who don't agree with him are the ones in the comments section spewing vitriol instead of offering a reasonable counterpoint. If the above comment writer had offered specific examples of why s/he thinks Peterson creates divisive rhetoric, I might even have agreed with her/him, but we'll never know because I have no desire to discuss anything with anyone who resorts to character assassination rather than make any effort to reasonably express a difference of opinion.

Sacrifices are not something thats abundant to tou. Totally opposite, if you have 100 million and you think 1 million is sacrifice you are wrong. A sacrifice is letting go video games for example in your free time for exercise or study. Its different for every one maybe thats why cain sacrifices wherent enough, maybe he was offering the same things as abel. But for abel he was all in on sacrifices, but for cain maybe he was better at working and didnt work that hard like abel thats why his sacrifices didnt mean thath much. Its something personal. You can't compare with other people, thats exactly what this story is about.

Where's he getting all these extra details from though, having read the bible the story is incredibly brief and vague and does not imply or allude to much of what Jordan is saying here, is there a more detailed take on the story elsewhere that he is drawing from here?

@@fantasypgatour how do you not see it ?

@@eugenehernandez4868 Dude have you read Cain and Abel? It's a few sentences and doesn't say about 95% of the things Peterson has added in to it here.

@@fantasypgatour 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

@@fantasypgatour It was the The point of Abel’s response, he got angry, that’s not going to help anyone. If somebody rejects you it can be a sign that you need to be doing something you are not doing now, could be learning something new, improve a skill, or changing the way you are doing something. Figuring out what that is will put you on the path to doing better, and experiencing less rejection in the future. Example if a boy approach a girl.. she rejects him.

Nooo! Really? For what? @noname

Nvm I see. Get well soon, doctor.

@@jamienichols6156 metaphysicslv.blogspot.com/2011/12/putna-tels-debesis.html

Thermal Salt most underrated comment. I encounter this EXACT experience each time I listen.

I feel the same way.

You always have God that's the entire message. Even when you feel you don't ;)

Cain destroyed his perception of what he knows is best, the structure of reality. He suffered because of it and was then lost, expelled like his parents but not so much literally but from his relationship with God and what is good until he would decide to humble himself which never happened unfortunately. That's an unbearable suffering.

@@eeeman I was shocked to see his change in perception especially after his encounter with God I really felt he would take away the lesson of being humble in the midst of great adversity for even in the most dire situations our father provides an unlimited wealth of joy and bountiful blessings if we open our eyes to see it. I was shocked to see his perception change to one of jealousy and strife I often think of struggle as an experience which fosters the growth of an exceptional character. The bible is full of examples from Pauls journey from violent persecutor to Apostle (talk about change in perspective/perception to Jesus who faced unimaginable adversity to find eternal presence next to God. The true character of a man is revealed in the midst of great adversity. I saw the overcoming of adversity as a gift from God as a building of ones character so I actually so greater value in the overcome adversity than that of the brother who seemed to face little adversity. So careful what perception we choose to accept as our character thrives upon it ;)

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The education system is just turning out political correctness clones at the moment, unfortunately.

Duude I had a Dream where he was sitting next to me around a campfire with other people oddly enough (u kn how dreams are) when i turned my head to look at him we were at in an auditorium waiting for a conference to start & i think i shook his hand (happened last night so lool still a bit foggy)

In what way has he done more than your therapist? I think you need a new therapist...

Body language is often more telling...oppressing disdain can't be a good sign.

Oksana ML Yet, here you are.

Peace Love .....perhaps they really deep down dont want to help their patients as they would put themselves out of a job...........just like the medical pharmaceutical professions do .....meds for life and no cure........cure would mean zero meds

"I ain't your pal, bucko." Cain said to God.

Cain farts in Able's face.

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This thread. Love it. T&P

I just realized the acronym is TP... lmao toilet paper. Ight imma head out.

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What are you doing mate? Being a dogmatic preacher in YT comment section?

@@Bramandin You think that's preaching? It was merely my opinion in the comment section just as you voiced your opinion about my comment.

I agree the Cain and Abel story certainly addresses faith and when I read through it's one of the biggest feelings I had when Cain choose to not have faith. I was shocked especially after realizing all the struggle he had overcome I felt like if he could have just hung on his eyes would have opened to the light after all struggle is not so bad when you have faith to overcome it. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of fearing the Lord though, if you mean literally fear. You have to take this verse carefully within it's context. Certainly if you are in the act of sinning then you might say "fear the Lord" but you might more literally say "if you sin the Lord has created a world where choice has consequence and sinning will bring about bad consequences. I think throughout the bible you will find overwhelming evidence there is no fear we should hold least of all for the Lord. I think fear is commonly misunderstood when it comes to perceiving our relationship with God. Doom and Gloomers perpetuate fear as a sociopathic construct because it produces results. Just as spanking might work in disciplining your children. Unfortunately things don't need to just work they need to work in the right way. So don't fear the lord consider God doesn't want you to choose sin after all he warned Adam about the tree and like some pussy cat eve has to go digging around for snakes and such out of curiosity. I guess at least guys don't have to bear children. (just kidding Eve I'm sure I'd love you too) ;)

@@rodgaskins - It has been my understanding that to 'fear' the Lord is not to tremble in your boots, rather to 'respect' Him and His judgments and power. Although i am sure there will be those that will tremble because the Lord says we are not without excuse, that in us all He has put the knowledge of truth. - Peace friend.

@@rodgaskins - It has been my understanding that to 'fear' the Lord is not to tremble in your boots, but rather to respect and revere His judgments and great power. Although there will be those that tremble because He says no man is with excuse because the truth has been put in all men to know Him within. Peace friend.

If you like what you're hearing, google Joseph Campbell. Jordan is essentially reading into metaphor, allegory, something Campbell mastered.

@Jack Clare he doesn't claim to have it right and says he strugges... i would beware of anyone who thinks THEY have it right

@WHOSE TRUth Taking with a pinch of salt is to view something with skepticism. If choosing to interpret with skepticism, you're also comparatively processing the obverse; the "literal" interpretation or view. If we understand the mind is processing as both, the "grain of salt" idiom becomes (in my mind) the most polite phrase of all time, instructing people how to think. It's an awkward reminder to interpret information in ways our brain couldn't. If I may offer an alternative, perhaps for the individuals interpreting "you think too much" as "you breath too much." **Addendum: It's obvious this isn't what you're putting forth, even unintentionally. Embrace information and experiences as interpreted, for what they are in the moment, as interpreted in the present. Hold people accountable for the way they've empowered you. If you can do this inside your head, the same empowerment will radiate from the heart, in a way that makes traditional acknowledgement appear like odd behavior. However, traditional acknowledgement has importance, and you'll always know when the opportunity beckons. Toodles, bitches.

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HE LITERALLY THINKS HE'S GOD GETTING FUCKED BY A CAT 🙀, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! NAZI PERVERT. Now I'm off to punch an old white woman because why not?

Our life on this planet favours those who are nearer to the devil, than God! God just wants you to meekly accept your lot in life!

Rage is of the devil; it is not righteous anger. If you have rage, you are already ‘lost’. A spiritually advanced person would ask you what the primary spark for your rage was, are you able to honestly identify that? When you start to react again - can you recognize that spark? Can you be self aware enough to halt the spark at that moment? In this way you would take control of your destructive impulses, or, another way to think of it is that you are not allowing the devil to control you.

Just now read another comment of yours on Nathaniel Drew

@not me I've always thought it's about cannibalism. Kill or be killed. Killing a pregnant woman was kind of reasonable before the CSI era, unless you want the child to take revenge on your spin-off tribe.

@@stephenmason5682 Depends on what you value.

well said!

Eve fuckt Satan, then fucked Adam. She bore 2 children I, Adam seed, 1 Satan seed. There are 2 seeds on the earth. Which ones which ? Is it cains fault he's Satan seed? Did god make provisions for Cain? I can understand the big picture. Cain shouldn't have allowed his anger to get the better of him that is.His sin. The biggest mistake he made was comparing himself to abel and trying to elisct the affection of god. He was marked before he was born, he was never going to be equal to abel. And what of female eve ? Two children in Adams house, working by the sweet of his brow, and 1 is not his wow does that sound like what's going even today ? Maybe Satan should accept responsibility for his illigitame son and stop being the bum expecting others to raise his children. The kindergarten veiws of what responsibility we should accept is well. Immitutre.

Great job, Kaneda and praise God for giving you the faith and spirit for living positively in the world.

That's a lot of expensive toilet paper you have there. ;)

Donald Kaufman probably

It's interesting that it could be one person. You could change the story to mean metaphorically to be about a person, and the duality inside of all of us. But my Bible says it's about two people and uses it for a teaching tool that spans thousands of years, so - yeah, I'm going to go ahead and believe it's about brothers.

Chris Christian there are clear metaphors there that one could make sense of it as inner conflict, which explains why psychologists take interest in them and interpret them that way, but I don’t think anyone could say in all humility that they are clearly man made fables. Most Theologians believe these stories actually happened and they are recorded for our understanding, and that there are many levels of God’s Word to understand. The challenge is to understand them correctly, and that can only be done through humility.

Just did now that you mentioned it. Don't think it really changes the moral of the story other than our choices lead to our OWN demise which pretty much is already laid out in the story despite someone else dying along with you. I'm seeing double now, what if there were 4 people? good/bad Cain, good/bad Able? ;)

I like that idea ....it's workable.

To me God almighty allowing Abel to be killed is the most fascinating part. And Cain being alive, surviving God's wrath is also equally fascinating and amazing. Astonishingly, it dawns on me that maybe God was so pleased with Abel that he declared him a graduate, and ascended to heaven prematurely. Cain has to do his homework, and purify himself with the help God before he also ascends.

He has an entire biblical lecture. Fucking phenomenal. He’s reading the verses on stage.

Socially awkward and talking bullshit masterrace reporting in.

You are a stereotyping scrub

@no namecheck your bias my friend

someone who does as many interviews as he does deserves to relax in rehab. He needs it to recharge. Not to mention how many speeches he does.

@no name You better believe a smart man goes to rehab for help when his wife is diagnosed terminally ill.. "Jordan Peterson enters rehab after wife’s cancer diagnosis"

Joe Van we all have different gifts, this is his. Eugene Pentiuc: Jesus the Messiah in the Hebrew Old Testament prolly is what you are looking for...

@@Margaret709 What do you mean by the last statement?

That's interesting... Through the Italian National Broadcasting Network, Tezuka Osamu received an ardent request from the Vatican to make the Bible into animated form. Lol who would of thought... that's awesome! Idk how I feel about the Vatican but still...

@@noleftturnz I didn't know that. I also didn't know there were 26 ep... I only saw 6! -Found a torrent though- *You can watch all 26 episodes on YT!* *>:3* Yeah I'm not too fond of the Vatican either, but I digress. I wasn't too surprised though that they make such a request, if you think about it..as unholy as anime is! 😇

Thank you! I'll be sure to check it out

Nice one brother! Thank you! :)

@@DonDemetrius no need for thank me. Just hit that like button lol and help spread the word! 😇🙏

I'm guessing you didn't watch the entire clip and therefore did not understand the message. This was about human motivations, not religion. Peterson used the Bible to illustrate his point about humans - not the other way around. Cheers.

I'm guessing someone does not understands Horatian satire...

Unless you are Bernie Sanders or Obama. Then you need at least three mansions.

Truth! When we compare what we have versus what others have, it's inevitable that we'll end up consumed by jealousy.

I have a lot of jealousy I need to deal with. I have a good life and constantly compare it to others'. I need to work on this but I don't know how. I just pray. I may wake up in the morning and first thing make a list of all the things I'm grateful for. Maybe my mindset needs to change and nothing else.

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!!! So good! I love the Second Son connection!

ALL of the stories of the Bible point to our need for a Savior and the fact that man cannot save himself. I like the parallels you pulled out of Cane and Able though, never thought of it that way.

There are definitive proto-evangelium overtones in the narrative, as there were before in chapter 3 Without the advantage of hindsight tho, the fact still remains, that one was sacrificing better by obedience to prescription (explicit or implicit remains untold) and the psychological effect of that less than perfect adherence to the Holy prescription (Word) from Cain remains as self destructive as implied by Dr Peterson. As Agustin said, there is a desire for nothingness/darkness to go back to non existence after the connection to life/light is severed

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