Thanks for loading that up. From what I read I think the bmw all hands down is one smart flawless system. I wich my gt33 atessa ets was like the xdrive.
I live in the UK. It is usually either warm and wet or cold and wet. Subaru does the job just fine whatever the road surface. RWD BMW's and Mercs are a joke on compacted snow or ice, actually they're just plain dangerous IMO.
Up here in north (Norway), there is almost winter all the year. We have a Subaru Outback 2.0 Diesel. We have never had a problem with it, it´s so good all year round. We have ordered a new Subaru Outback 2015 mod. The only difference is that we´ve ordered it with 2.5 petrol. Creds to Subaru and Japan that have brought us this masterpiece
I know. You're right. Both Audi and Subaru actually rally and have many world championships between them. I don't like Beemers now, but they did have lovely rally cars in the '80s. Growing up in Ireland, I remember Bertie Fisher in those M3 E30s, fuck it they were absolutely gorgeous and really exciting to watch and hear
The only Subaru AWD systems that could match the Quattro are the VTD and DCCD systems. The regular Continuous and Active AWD of the lower-end models can't compare well to the Quattro. DCCD is probably the best, since it actually has differentials throughout the whole drivetrain (center, front, rear), while VTD (center, rear) depends on the VDC (stability/traction control) to help distribute torque to the wheels that need it.
I'll always stay loyal to my Audi Quattro vehicles. They are great in all seasons and just a joy to drive. Have a b7 a4 right now and I still adore the car as if it were the very first day i got it!
No doubt Audi quattro & Subaru symmetrical AWD has the dominant systems in terms of AWD. Mercedes 4matic is heavily biased towards safety, and BMW is just another me-too in the market. Think I'm pulling a fast one? Subaru Outbacks & Foresters all go off road, so can the Audi Q5 & Q7. Mercedes has the ML & G-wagon which are excellent too. BMW X5 & X6 aren't even badged as actual SUVs by BMW themselves (so what makes you think they are?)
BMW's suck off road. X3's, X5's & X6's also suck on the road. You're far better off with a regular 3 or 5 series BMW as a road car. The X series BMW's are for people with too much money and not enough intelligence. They are posers cars but people in the know just laugh at them. If you want pure traction for the road Subaru is the best followed by Audi. I wouldn't touch a BMW or a Mercedes 4Matic.
talkychris the 3 and 5 series respectively are probably better on the road than the X3 or X5 (yeah what a surprise), but the X3 and X5 are better on the road than M class or GLK class or Q5 or Q7, or at least they're aspiring for it. "sporty suv crossover" let's call it, which fits the BMW philosophy, being sportier than their rivals. Merc on the other hand is focused primarily on the comfort, which is why more managers and CEOs drive E and S-class than 5 or 7-series. Except the AMG versions, which are completely mad, shredding tires along the way. The RS audis with their more front biased AWDs are way more civilized in this category.
***** I think they are about par. The term SUV in itself is a oxymoronic term; there's nothing sporty about a 4000lb+ truck that is 6in off the ground. BMW M cars used to be very racing oriented but now since BMWs are getting floaty I'd take any Audi RS or Mercedes AMG (even Cadillac V-series) over a BMW.
@beasona9 Look at The trunk badge on the Subaru (at 2:00), it's not a GT. It appears to be a diesel model not offered in the U.S.A. Also at note that it only has a single exhaust (2:02). Here are the specs.= 2.0L DOHC engine, called the EE20, has 147HP and 258 lb-ft of torque, and was released in Europe in 2008.
@Loscaldazar not with 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel drive is suppsed to make to the car better stick to the road and it gives better road control (exactly what audi does) and subaru is like a rear wheel drive just with a bit of power in the front thats why its drifts (and thats not what a AWD car supposed to do)
@londonas2 An awesome set of tires only costs $450US, they should outfit all the cars with the same brand/type of tire to see which AWD system is genuinely better. Like I said before, this isn't a test of the car but a test of the tires.
@wootness3000 yh exactly they show which one has the best value for money and the best all wheel drive, with an audi u get good tyres, good wheels everythign
The two cars have different application, the RS5 is prestigious coupe, but you can be vulgur with the Subi, the torsen differential implemented is as good as the symmetrical but I've found the response time between forward and rear power transfer is not as effective, when it does, it is very abrupt which jolts the car, depending on the surface may cause a instant or reduce friction, because of the static 50:50, the Subi diff acts along the dynamics of a haldex diff which is more effective at trn
And the Subaru also came with compromise tyres, yes? Sure, it would be interesting to know how they do on the same tyres, but most people are going to drive them on what the manufacturer sells them with. That's just as much a part of the total car package as the shocks or diffs or traction control computer.
The best AWD system is by far, Subaru. Second is Audi. X-drive and others perform well to support driver to achieve good road driving. These systems are mostly supported by electronics. Mitsubishi S-awc, Subaru and Audi have center differential, and here the big difference. Read about the Scandinavian flick.
there is part 2 available on youtube, i had remove music,but i will try to repair the part as the whole movie. you will find the winer of the test (I will tell you: it's not my favorite)... :-)
To the people saying "this is only a test of the stock tyres that came with them" I'd have to say: so why do the expensive German cars come with crap tyres? ;-)
Subaru's by nature allow more slip/drift before the electronics come between.. Prefer this fun above eg. Audi's MickeyMouse system that is effective but has no such funfactor as the Scooby
I think one of the biggest mistake that Mercedes keeps repeating is not allowing the ESP to be fully switched off in their cars. So disappointing! I think if that was possible the C class would have had better results in this video...
Wow ok European cars are great luxury cars and good in rain and slick conditions but I have owned 11 differant cars and 3 subarus. I live in northern vt usa 5 mi from canada near a big ski mtn last winter we had a bad snow storn I pulled a honda crv AWD, ford flex AWD, mercedes sedan AWD, bmw suv AWD, and a mini van lol all up jay peak mtn road with near bald winter tires with a subaru leagacy proves there awd surpasses all in awd look up sti vs evo winter challenge
Audi BMW Mercedes all great cars But not realistic for 90 percent of the population. The Subaru however is affordable by most people. And it's just is great. They just need to work on their design They need a more modern futuristic cool looking vehicles. The BRZ and the Impreza are probably the only 2 good looking vehicles in their lineup. The rest need a complete redesign. The engineering mechanics are great it's just the looks That needs improvement
