Audio Post Production for Film 101 - Dialog Editing pt.1

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In this second tutorial I go over how to start dialog editing in Pro Tools for a narrative feature, short, or TV show.
For part 1 I will focus on finding fill, transitions between clips, clip gain, aligning boom and lav mics, and other basic editing techniques. This will create a cohesive dialog track without destructive processing, which will be covered in part 2.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Story Drives Every Decision
2:16 Saving session as
3:03 Master fader and loudness monitoring
5:27 Default fade preferences
6:14 Track layout
7:04 Starting the scene
8:21 Removing the director’s voice
8:52 Finding room tone
9:18 Using strip silence to create room tone
12:02 Using fill paste with room tone
12:42 The wrong way to create room tone
13:44 Breaths in PFX
14:00 Good noise vs bad noise
14:30 Transitioning between different room tones
16:41 Equal gain vs equal power crossfade
17:42 Tone Shift between locations or scenes
18:02 Boom and lav example 1
18:48 Saving processing for a second pass
19:00 Removing noises with fill
20:45 Prelap cuts
21:45 Slipping edits for timing and rhythm
22:28 Boom and lav example 2
23:26 Phase align mics manually
25:44 Phase align mics automatically
27:09 Desynchronizing audio and video edits
27:32 Cutting on a transient to hide an edit
28:08 Cutting between locations and futzing
34:38 Cutting both sides of the call
34:47 Just a bunch of editing
35:54 Fixing sync issues by eyeballing it
38:01 More Phil
39:13 Carrying sound over a cut
39:33 Boom and lav example 3
40:05 More editing
41:03 Fading out after the cut
42:44 No dialog on PFX tracks
43:12 Keeping some dirt

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@tommylockett99 2 года назад

Having worked 30+ years in this business, this is by far the best video explaining dialog editing, I can't thank you enough for the effort you put into these instructional video's....great work Thomas

@AllenCavedo 2 года назад

As a production sound mixer I have tried to explain to my clients what a dialog editor does. From now on I will send them this video.

@legowigs 3 года назад

speechless! stuff which no one shows you for years and years

@jkbeal 4 месяца назад

I’ve worked in picture editorial for years and have never had a truly detailed understanding of HOW exactly the sound department goes about their job. This is precisely what I’ve been looking for. Thank you. Tremendously interesting and helpful video. Confirms much of what I thought I knew and also illuminates details of which I was ignorant. Some of which I think will help me turn over slightly improved tracks to sound. Thank you! Fantastic contribution to the community. Great, great series.

@ThomasBoykin 4 месяца назад

Glad to help a fellow screen zombie out!

@TheSoraMusic Год назад

I learned more in this 45 min tutorial, than 3 years of college. Thank you so much

@RamnoMusic 5 месяцев назад

As a rookie, these videos really inspire me and demonstrate how much care goes into smallest of details that even a keen viewer/listener can have trouble noticing

@ThomasBoykin 4 месяца назад

You’ll notice that with lots of different things! Pros really give their work a lot of thought

@BurgundyKRO 2 года назад

I can't tell you how much I value this video! Keep em coming!

@charlesandhisworld 3 года назад

Timeline Drop Order > Left to Right is such a time-saver!! Thanks for making this video!

@DJDiabeats_ Год назад

This might be the most genius video I've ever watched.

@xXShigofumiXx 3 года назад

Always really cool to see someone elses process

@HubLocationSound 3 года назад

Awesome! Looking forward to the next episode. Thanks for sharing with us.

@MarceloPlaysMusic 2 года назад

OMG! That extract silence trick is sooooo awesome and helpful! How have I never used this! Thank you for doing these!

@mar7838 Год назад

I'm watching this video for the 3rd time now over the last couple of months. I'm now getting better at pro tools and the principles if Post sound that I now finally can take in all the insane short cuts and workflow hacks. This video is so information dense. It's perfect. Really hope you keep uploading

@nimrod7785 2 года назад

This series is so good. Thank you so much!

@marklholloway 2 года назад

Found this really helpful. Learning by real-world examples is like gold. Thanks for taking the time to make videos for Pro Tools in Post as there's not much out there. Liked and subscribed!

@Ritzourne 2 года назад

Great work! Really appreciate. Lots of super cool tricks here.

@GingerDrums 2 года назад

Yep this is the real deal workflow. Been doing audio post for years and still learned some great tricks :))

@arnoldantony5064 3 года назад

Having to learn on the job, I’ve never found any proper dialog edit tutorial which such detail. This really helps to correct my workflow! Thanks a lot and can’t wait for further episodes.

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Great to hear. My main gripe is dialog editors who do sloppy work. So maybe the next time I get an edit session from someone who watches my videos, I will gripe less.

@simoneianniello2884 6 месяцев назад

I honestly think that your videos are the best ones, cause you explain all the details, through pratical demonstration,so thank you for these lessons

@tommys.9174 2 года назад

Thank you so much for your videos! I'm a studio engineer, but I recently took on a short low budget film production. Your videos have been a game changer, and have helped a lot with my session organization. Despite needing to consult Google for some video production terms, I love seeing your in-depth process instead of a quick tutorial that doesn't cover much. Thanks again!

@Kamarkarze 3 года назад

Omg I am learning so much... I'm going to have to watch this multiple times to retain it all Thank you so much for this. I've been trying to figure out how to do all this by myself...

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Of course! If you have any specific questions feel free to ask

@mikaelfas4908 3 года назад

Very helpful video! Keep on the good work!

@dezua 3 года назад

Thank you man! Exactly the content i need to see. I hope you continue making these episodes.

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

I will do my best

@cyprix4019 11 месяцев назад

Awesome work, thats the very best video for post production i´ve every found, even better than in universary back than

@24gasel Год назад

I love this, i need see more tutorials you are amazing

@Dustbrigade 3 года назад

Your killing it! The speed of the edits and the subtle liveliness added is next level. Gotta take notes of some of those short cuts

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Thank you for the kind words. Let me know if it’s too fast to keep up. Kinda hard for me to tell

@Dustbrigade 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin I think it is a good speed, keeps it inspiring. I will probably end up rewatching them a few times. Maybe a separate breakdown or list of your most used key commands could be helpful so they are all availible in one place. I like that you speed up the video from time to time when there is much of the same. Oh, and how do you do quick equal power or equal gain fades? Seems you access both from the keyboard. Keep it up!

@tommylockett99 2 года назад

What is more amazing is the technology we have now, I remember when I started, I was amazed at the clapper or sticks, as, using that to sync, and when we got TC Nagra the world changed very different world

@maniravandi5983 3 года назад

Wow thanks a lot Tom. Loving these tutorials

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Thanks Mani, hope it helps you in some way.

@user-kb7kj4oi3w Год назад

I'm from China, your video give me more help and enlighten. Thank you very much!

@anupamc176 3 года назад

This is a gem !

@matirojasc 6 месяцев назад

You're the best for doing this, great tutorial!

@ThomasBoykin 5 месяцев назад

I appreciate that

@delmixedit 3 года назад

Jealous that those recordings were nice and healthy. My current film is clip gained sometimes +20dB!!!

@prod.zainxaidi8155 2 года назад

This is mind-blowing ♥️♥️♥️😍😍

@dwaynewyatt3 3 года назад

This is amazing!!!! Thank you

@TheEJ1408 9 месяцев назад

Great style of explanation. Have been using Protools for 15 years before finally switched to something else. For exactly the reason shown in this video. It feels like a very old PT version. Compared to the AI-editing tools in some other application (for post especially Nuendo 12) this feels like analog phone era.

@pm42100 3 года назад

This is great stuff, really appreciate that you're doing this series! One thing that occurred to me when you were creating room tone after using strip silence and dropping in the clips from the clip bin (which is VERY clever and I will definitely be stealing) is that you might be able to save some time cutting out the breaths etc. by using shuffle mode rather than manually deleting and dragging. Shuffle mode as a rule always makes me nervous but that's the beauty of the field recorder/work track in your template. Thanks again!

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

That’s a great idea. I’ve done that in the past but forgot about it

@Passaro37 3 года назад

Wish I had this video a few years ago when i was figuring out stuff by myself cuz theres not much info on post-production techniques out there. Thanks for sharing.

@keagansilas2259 3 года назад

I guess I'm kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream new tv shows online?

@mohamedkyson440 3 года назад

@Keagan Silas Try FlixZone. Just google for it =)

@delmixedit 3 года назад

Ooooooooo cool trick for room tone!

@SOUNTH11composingdesign Год назад

Awesome. Thank you.

@erickuehnl 2 года назад

The Space Clips feature is a new/improved way to push all the clips together after using Extract. Just set the spacing to zero.

@madhabdas5449 4 месяца назад

Please one Tutorial on Outdoor Location Scene .Thank you For the videos. Its really helps

@kabed9413 Год назад

Hi Thomas, thank you for this. I don't get what's the shortcut to nudge move the fade for 1 frame. love the sound effects when you speed up ahahah

@user-yw7zu7zi8s 2 года назад

Thank you!

@RoadJournal 2 года назад

Nice!

@alanfelix8081 3 года назад

Very good video, thanks for sharing, hope to have more movie mixing tutorials, I want more learning. Thanks @Thomas Boykin

@productionsoundtexas3949 3 года назад

Can you crate a video on the matching field recordings menu. Never really used that feature or how to setup. Thanks

@KS-gu9zl 3 года назад

Wow you know protools shortcuts very well, maybe you could make a video about most useful keyboard shortcuts for protools please?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

This is a good idea. But for now here is a link to a Sweetwater article: www.sweetwater.com/insync/28-best-pro-tools-shortcuts-you-should-know/

@jphormiga Год назад

HI, I just found your videos and am now binging all of them like crazy, simply excellent stuff, thanks!! I do have a question about PFX and DX tracks: if PFX tracks end up in the MnE mix, wouldn't it be necessary to fill with roomtone on those tracks? I mean, wouldn't they stand out in the MnE mix if the roomtone on those tracks comes in and out every now and then? I hope it's not confusing. All the best!

@ThomasBoykin Год назад

If you mix it right the pfx won’t stick out. But also you should have MnE fill that matches the dialog ambience you help.

@dorisshen4319 3 года назад

Thanks for the tutorials! I would like to ask what do you do if the AAF files weren't named by shot? If there's a great amount of production sound like that, do you still organize them by shot sizes?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Yes

@josephlandman1402 3 года назад

I wonder if we'll see videos on sfx 🙊 BTW this video is 👌🏼

@johnburton6470 3 года назад

How did people learn this before RU-vid? Was there an alternative to the standard school > intern > assistant route? Did all that industry knowledge ever get shared outside?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Hey John, the way I learned was I worked in different studios. Every job I learned new things, and was able to work my way up the ladder step by step. That still holds true. The biggest hurdle is getting your foot in the door. I have some crazy stories about how far I went to get in front of people, including sneaking into buildings and some tactics to get in front of decision makers. All risks that paid off.

@lutrown 3 года назад

Hey, I've got a question regarding PFX. Is it usual to leave little sounds like footsteps and cloth rustle from production audio in DX tracks or are they usually moved to PFX? I've noticed that you leave them in DX, but have seen people move pretty much everything besides dialogue to PFX - including footstep and cloth rustle, if it's outside of the lines.

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Depends on the mixer. If it’s a big sound I move it. But if it messes with the flow of the edit I leave it on dx tracks.

@elinobenjaminvillegas5377 Год назад

Bro has crazy good ears. How can you even catch the phase problem at 23:26? I can hear the difference after but I would've never caught it and now I want to go back to all of my films and check!

@tapologombulawa 3 года назад

What would be the best workflow for a series or an episode based sitcom? I have been looking for this, since am a newbie and am thrilled I got to find it, keep up the good work. I will keep on scavenging through your videos. I will love to get some tips from you 🙏 Thank you

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Should be the same as I have outlined in the rest of my videos. Sitcoms may not do Foley but the big ones do. You will need to sweeten the audience mics a bit to make jokes land and also be mindful of act breaks. The network will have the specs but generally -24LUFS and -2 Peak is standard for US productions.

@MPAflix 7 месяцев назад

Subbed, you mentioned in the beginning of the video that you will touch on PFX routing in the end, but forgot about it, could you please tell us how you route your PTX track in mixing and delivery?

@ThomasBoykin 7 месяцев назад

Oops, sorry! Yes I have a pfx aux in my template now that routes to my sfx aux. that way it goes to my MnE and sfx stems.

@MPAflix 7 месяцев назад

@@ThomasBoykin and do you route ptx which are foley sound to foley stem too, right? Thanks for your prompt reply.

@lousm2549 Год назад

Hello Thomas thank you for your nice videos I had a question about M&E , you separate production sound from dialogue in order to feed the M & E , but How you feel the gap leave by the dialogues to match with the production sound track? Recreate the location air or BG ? Do you create it with air that match the location sound using undertone and Dialogue Match. Or using recordes silence for the location. And when do you proceed to this ? At what stage of the production. Thank you Louis

@ThomasBoykin Год назад

I usually do it after the mix, and will noise reduce pfx if needed to blend in with the sfx

@TordurMusic Год назад

Where can I download a scene like this with the audio so I can practice doing something like this and even make a demo reel?

@stevegeorge7773 2 года назад

Do you mark the scenes: scene 1, scene 2 etc? Or, is time code for editing sound sufficient? Just curious about editing something bigger. Or, do you do both? Very interesting video.

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

I usually name them the scene number in the script or audio file.

@enokimaru 9 месяцев назад

Is there a shortcut to change crossfade and fades from equal gain to equal power?

@SeanHeissinger 3 года назад

Hey man. Curious why you have a dedicated field recorder track. I usually make all my edit tracks field recorder tracks so I can just flip to other mics if needed in place. Wondering if there's a possible negative to doing it that way.

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

No reason, just shithouse ways. I like your approach and might try it on the next show.

@SeanHeissinger 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin Right on. It's cool you're doing these. I've wanted to do something like this but have never gotten up the motivation to set it all up. I also don't know that I have the personality to not make it feel like you're watching paint dry, lol. It's cool to see other people's workflows. There's always more to learn.

@lenagolgol 2 года назад

Anyone knows of a book on where to start and stop scores, music, drones, etc? Thanks

@JackieJohnsonMusic 3 года назад

I love the cleanliness of 6 A DX tracks and 6 B DX tracks... but what if you have many people in a scene -- so there's boom A through E or whatever, plus 4 or 5 lavs? How do you lay that out? Do you add more tracks? Or steal from the other 6?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Add more tracks based on the project’s needs

@yeppy013 3 года назад

I'm wondering what you use for your main headphones when film mixing for these clinical cleanups?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

I usually mix on JBL speakers but I use a set of Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro 250ohm for headphones

@ayneeo 2 года назад

when you used auto-align - you put the boom in the work track and did it - however it's the lav that was fixed - did you select it- think I missed something... thank you

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

Yes I use the boom as the guide to align the lavs

@IndrakarmaBaishnawb Месяц назад

Shortcut to show frame bars in timeline?

@matirojasc 6 месяцев назад

Do dialog editors always use the room tone from the takes or they also use sample libraries of room tones?

@ThomasBoykin 5 месяцев назад

Good ones use the RT from takes

@tonyelk1126 2 года назад

any thoughts on dividing mics by character instead of dividing by angle ? I do this especially with the lavs

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

I do character for lav and angle for boom

@aasmundnordgaard4092 Год назад

Can You write down the shortcutts on this video😊

@dougparsons3868 2 года назад

Where do I go to learn how to do this? This is super cool.

@NathanAlef 2 года назад

You're literally looking at it haha

@CarlRobinsonCKR23 7 месяцев назад

@Thomas Boykin What does A Dial , B Dial and C Dial mean on your tracks?

@ThomasBoykin 7 месяцев назад

To checkerboard scenes

@CarlRobinsonCKR23 7 месяцев назад

@ThomasBoykin so Track A, B , C etc are all separated scenes per group of tracks correct?

@legowigs 3 года назад

so I have this very deep question... please bare with me... its more than just one question, its an entire process dilemma which has bothering me for a long time and I never really know where to address this specific aspect. maybe you can share your thoughts on this. (you might cover this later on in the mixing stage, sorry if might sound crazy on what i'm writing)... to sum it up. i'm having some issues in understanding when to use the clip gain versus the track/bus volume. so, i followed the video, at the beginning you mentioned that your target is -27LUFS (cinema standard) at that moment during the session, the loudness meter is -21dB LUFS (considered hot). looking at the timeline, all fader levels are at unity, also all audio clips are at 0 unity. to simplify things, let's say we are hearing the original gain set by the recordist on set. since the dialogue is rounded now at -21dBLUFS, my instinct would have been to readjust the clip gain now and then, to lower some dB to obtain maybe -23dB, or why not, lower gain to reach -27dB LUFS in your preferred case. From this new set level (-27), processing would happen (eq/compression/saturation/reverb). Im confused in general, not about your video, but in regards to what people write online. Should we be working in this context at -21dB, do all of the processing (eq/compression/reverb/saturation) and only at the end adjust dialogue bus level to aim -27dB LUFS? i think i'm lacking the correct gain stage discipline, the overall vertical approach used in mixing, but i'm desperate to learn more about it. any feedback would be super helpful. love your videos. thank you

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

This is a great question. Every scene is different. So if you have a whispered line or entire scene, it does not need to be -27. The same goes for a yelling scene. It can be quite loud. The important thing is that over the duration of either the program (film) or segment (TV) that the dialog levels average out to hit the spec. This scene I was lucky that they were recorded at almost the perfect level. But other scenes may need global adjustment. In an ideal scenario, the tracks are clip gained close to mix level during the edit. This will keep things like room tone shifts audible. It also makes the gain staging easier during the mix, as certain plugins work best with certain amounts of signal hitting them (compressors and noise reduction for example). The best way to get your tracks in the pocket for levels is to play them on big speakers. It is difficult to clip gain on headphones. Have a meter up like Youlean, and make sure the entire program is close to the spec. Depending on the medium, individual scenes may deviate anywhere from 2-20dB off this spec! But that decision is best left to the mix.

@legowigs 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin Thank you so much! All my eyes and ears are on you!

@norfsyq9660 2 года назад

What codec did you use when importing the video?

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

I don’t remember. Probably h264 unfortunately

@louisling9646 2 года назад

On the track layout segment, you mentioned that A_DX was chosen for all the wide shots. B, C for the respective actors; doesn't this go against what you prefer - where ideally you have person A on one track as much as possible? Also if A_DX was reserved for wideshots and you have two or more actors on that one track, would it not make it more difficult for you to mix later?

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

For booms I split by shot, lavs by character.

@louisling9646 2 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin thanks for the reply!

@Chris-cf2kp Год назад

This is insightful, though I think some of the abrupt cuts in the audio were intentional between scenes of the two rooms and the interplay of dialogue over the phone; and fading those audios removed a bit of the tension that those abrupt back and forth changes make. So, can you say that some audio should not be faded into between speakers?

@ThomasBoykin Год назад

Whatever works for the scene and film, do it

@maniravandi5983 3 года назад

I heard in a podcast that you could totally make dialogue as clear as possible and get rid of all noise and room tone. Is this also right way to do it?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

If you want over processed, lifeless, artifact-laden dialog then yes. But I don’t like that sound on my projects. I think a lot of people fear noise, so they try to get rid of it. But with every decision you have to ask if it’s actually making it better, or just different.

@maniravandi5983 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin but wouldn't be ok when you add amb and efx later on?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Removing all of the noise also removes some of the good tone in the dialog. It’s like peeling a potato with a butcher knife.

@maniravandi5983 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin wow great example. Thanks a lot.😃

@meck10101 Год назад

Do you know what boom mic was being used?

@ThomasBoykin Год назад

Sennheiser 416

@meck10101 Год назад

@@ThomasBoykin Sounds pretty clear to be a boom! I have the MKE600 which is a cheaper version but someday I would want to purchase it

@alexandre7634 3 года назад

You really should write a book ✌️😂

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Nah, there's already a great book on dialog editing.

@deafdave6468 2 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin Its a much richer and more pleasurable learning experience watching your videos, well done - no need for a book!

@depthaudio1817 2 года назад

Where can I get started. I have a degree in audio engineering. Just need practice film

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

Short films are good to practice

@p.l.gbeats9818 2 года назад

Which software

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

Pro Tools

@MarceloPlaysMusic 2 года назад

"Sign my check." 🤣

@ratboyninja 2 года назад

What is M and E?

@ThomasBoykin 2 года назад

Music and effects track for foreign dubbing

@cami.la_ 3 года назад

Hi Thomas. Thank you very much for this video. How is your instagram?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

instagram.com/tomboykinmix/

@iantheianthe3862 3 года назад

I want to learn mixing with you. Do you accept students?

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Thanks for asking! I would be open to the possibility of doing this. I have a signup link on some of my videos or you can send me your info and I will let you know if/when I can do in person training.

@iantheianthe3862 3 года назад

@@ThomasBoykin I have left my email message on your website, but no one has contacted me.

@ThomasBoykin 3 года назад

Can you email me directly please, I don’t see your message- thomas.boykin.audio.post@gmail.com.