How Good Was Barry Bonds Actually? 

The reason I stopped,they colluded against him so he wouldn't get 3000 hits.

I'd say he was a big part of why I started watching, but also a big reason of why I've lost interest as well (think: tiger woods and golf, once he was no longer dominating it got boring). When you see the top of the mountain, everything else pales in comparison. Bonds put up sustained numbers not seen since Babe Ruth. A lot of people are like Mike Trout or Ohtani is the best and I'm like lol, did any of you watch Pujols for the first 10-11 years of his career, let alone Bonds. People will say stuff like well pitchers throw harder yada yada yada, but during 9 out of 10 of alberts years in anaheim he never struck out more than 76 times in a season, the one exception being 93 in 2017. Says a lot about the guy in todays strike out happy climate.

Your team? Sports fans would do well to move away from this term.

These sports, these teams, belong to the people. Yes, some John Fisher's out there will muddy that but at the core these are our teams. We support them, pay for tickets and merchandise, our spirits rise and fall with them. They are ours, like this country is ours. We might not own them but they are a part of us and we are a part of them. Thank you for your unsolicited advice but how about you just do you?

​@@jonnyschwartz😅⚾️

@jonnyschwartz you don't own the team. You're just a pay pig. No matter how much copium you want to huff. Thanks for the world salad though.

@@gregpenismith1248you’re that type of guy. Nice 🤡

If you gave them to some of the longest lasting HoF career players, they would accumulate much higher stats, but the rate they did so would be less, almost certainly.

Of course they would. Frank Thomas was a .330 40 hr guy clean. Shohei, Judge ... forget about it. Brady Anderson juiced for 1 year and went from 15 home runs to 50. Bonds would have retired at 37.

Give roids to Ted Williams in his age 35-39 seasons and the 4+ years in his prime when he was serving in the military. That would probably be interesting to see.

@@laartwork After thinking about it for a few days, I think I over-stated things a bit. You are correct about some of these guys in terms of longevity, for sure. Bonds was a combo of insane talent, but he also managed to stay healthy. Steroids don't prevent you from pulling hamstrings or blowing out your knees- some of the guys you mentioned would never have held up like that. In short, it was a combo of steroid longevity, insane talent, fortunate health and the mental focus to actually rise to the occasion (can't discount performing under pressure). I'll never forget watching it as it happened.

This is pure nonsense. If you gave Ted Williams steroids he would have hit 1000 home runs.

When the ‘80s 49ers went on their run, teams were going 12-4 & not making the playoffs…that shit is foul…50 win suns with Nash & stoudemire & no playoffs is insane…standards were diffy…now teams are under .500 & a 2 seed 💁🏾‍♂️

@@meekmozart5216when are teams 2 seed teams under 500.. ever? Name twice.

@@MartiniGTGP take it easy beloved, I didn’t mean it literally, was simply making a point how teams that suck get rewarded compared to teams from yesteryear who were good got jerked….another point in CFB 6-7 will get you a bowl game but 13-0 won’t guarantee you a shot at the national championship….IJS 💁🏾‍♂️

Thank the Braves

Boy if I was Bonds I would’ve went to Atlanta. They kept him out of the WS when he was at his best.

Facts bro

That's the truth! and you can add Bagwell as it was reported in the Houston Chronicle. Bonds, Clemens, McGwire and Sheffield didn't test positive for PEDs. See I view them differently than Arod, Manny Ramirez, Palmerio and Braun. THey tested positive and faced suspension. Those are three categories, those who juiced and are in the hall, those who most likely juiced who never tested positive, and those who juiced and got busted and tested positive.

Yep let's add bagwell to that list

Yep the Houston Chronicle reported that Bagwell used the andro.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you’re not playing on legend or hall of fame hitting difficulty? We’re jot tryna hear that man

Legendary numbers. Maybe the HOF will vote you in soon 😂

lol good job on rookie difficulty. My 4 year old son could do that .

Why even play the game if you have no push back? Turn the difficulty up.

That’s true in a court of law. This is not a court of law. We know he cheated so it doesn’t matter if we can prove it or not. He’s a cheater and cheaters don’t deserve to be honored. If you want to honor someone then honor guys like Ichiro and Ken Griffey Jr who were amazing and did it the right way without cheating.

@@erikdayne5429 I don't know man. There's definitely levels to cheating. The 2017 Astros were actually cheaters. The people who participated in the 2017 scandal deserve nothing. People scuffing up baseballs, using spider tack, amphetamines, etc, are all cheating as well, but we'll call them lesser cheaters. I don't see anyone trying to keep these so called 'lesser cheaters' out of the hall of fame. That's the hypocrisy of this whole thing. (Cheaters are everywhere) Trying to gain an advantage is part of baseball. I have a hard time placing steroids on the scale of cheating. Quantifying the effect is difficult. They obviously make you bigger, and likely stronger, so you can probably swing the bat a bit faster. That warning track power suddenly turns into homeruns, but you still have to be able to hit the ball. I personally don't have an issue with what Bonds did, he showed us what the human limits were in todays game. Putting up better than peak babe ruth numbers against much deeper fields of competition is incredible regardless of what he was putting into his body. None of his contemporaries were coming close to what he was doing. Outside of Sammy Sosa and McGwire putting up a combined 5 60-70 home run seasons, nothing else seemed particularly anomalous about the steroid era. (I want to be clear this is an oversimplification, some people had high batting averages and for a while we'd get a lot of people with over 1.000 OPS.)

True. How did his head get so big? 😂

Exactly. NEVER

​@@erikdayne5429u sound stpd af.

Fast fucking hands. Great eyes. Still can’t stand him in the fucking dugout, though. So toxic.

@@devinwalton408u was in the majors?

CLEAN AF

Ken Griffey Jr’s swing was even better and he never needed steroids to help him

@@erikdayne5429 nah

My argument to this is steroids can help with your bat speed allowing you to wait longer in the pitch to read the ball prior to starting your swing which is huge when you're already talking about such little time to make your decision. But I agree I think it would be a disservice to not acknowledge the players of that era when the sport was heading downhill. Everyone was taking anabolics, and today tons are taking them. There are only so many compounds you can test for and the types of test you can take to detect them as performance enhancers are always evolving and being studied.

@@Rynoheonlydoesawsome Exactly, this "steroids don't help BA" argument is complete BS. Not to mention if all your long pop flys are now going out of the park, that improves BA as well. Bonds was a 25-35 HR kind of guy before roids. Then he was hitting 45-73. That's 10-38 more hits. Also, if you increase a batter's exit velocity, his BA will go up. A 105 mph line drive is more likely to get by a fielder than a 98mph line drive.

I agree there have been worse people in the hof

@@wingracer1614You do know that He had more than 400 dingers, 400 sb , multiple all stars, MVP, ss and ggs before roids and balco. If he retired after 98 he would have still had a hof worthy career. He's still the only 500-500 player in MLB history.

@@wingracer1614still gotta hit the ball 🤷🏽‍♂️ can you hit a ball coming at you 95-99

bonds would say his godfather was the greatest of all time

Me too I know bums that did steroids & there still bums

@@juliocenteno5400 but i bet they know the difference between there and theyre

@@thewkovacs316 dude are you serious wow get a life it was one word I didn’t know you were an English major

@@thewkovacs316 And he was. If he had not lost those years during the Korean War, Mays would have hit 715 homers first, IMO (To be fair, I think Ted Williams would have broken most hitting records as well during that time). In any event, I saw Willie Mays during most of his career, and even had the extreme pleasure of witnessing him hit a homer off Claude Osteen of the Dodgers in Dodger Stadium. He is the best all-around (complete) player I have ever witnessed play. He excelled in ever category. Mays = GOAT

That makes two of us

​@@TheOlmonroe1Make it 3.

@@coopericus That's right

I spent my birthday money and bought two tickets to three games to see Barry. He earned the hall before he even played with the juice.

He never sucked as a ballplayer. He could have made the HOF without the roids. But man was Barry a dick to people. That doesn't help the public perception.

He did cheat though. That’s a fact and it’s not good to ignore facts just because they hurt your feelings.

@@erikdayne5429 you're the one that sounds hurt kiddo

@@ArJayDMbecause I’m not simping for a known cheater? Interesting theory but I gotta disagree kid. You’re free to lick dirtbags boots though, seems like being on your knees is your natural state so go ahead and bow down to scumbags all you want.

He 1000% does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. He cheated the game. He belongs in the Hall of Shame.

That's actually a good thing, Along with Jose Canseco who else is the most hated MLB Player of all-time???

@@erikdayne5429 The steroids obviously gave him more power. They don't give you ridiculous hand eye coordination and turn you into one of the best hitters in mlb history. He showed enough before the roids to prove how good he actually was. He didn't need the drugs. Yes he shouldn't have done it but you can give those same shots to 99 percent of other players and they won't come remotely close to accomplishing stats like Bonds finished with

Oh it's a big question.

​@thinkforyourself5672 if he was so good, why did he use steroids?

ALL FACTS

Because he didn't start roids till 99 rightttttt

If the 94 strike didn't happen he would've been a 40/ 40 guy twice!!!

Nope he’s a cheater he can enjoy being in the Hall of Shame where he belongs

Mays and Aaron didn't have to face specialty relief pitching. Bonds had to face HoF closers. Speaking of closers, they need to elect Billy Wagner.

People drastically underestimate the amount of athletes on drugs in the past

Ruth was actually so called black himself so yea

@@Trizzer89 "Greenies"

Yes but steroids can turn ground outs into line drive hits and fly outs into home runs. It absolutely makes a difference otherwise players wouldn’t take them.

@@erikdayne5429 How many times do I have to point out the following: BEFORE STEROIDS BARRY WAS A HALL OF FAMER 411 Home runs, 1200 RBI, 1357 walks, OBP of .411, OPS of 990, 8 Gold Gloves for his defense, 3 MVP awards, and nearly 100 WAR......BEFORE HE ROIDED OUT!!!! A .290 BA with 445 Stolen bases BEFORE ROIDS!!! Tell me that 1986 - 1998 Barry Bonds was not a HOF career on its own. After Steroids (1999 to 2007) his BA went up exactly 26 points from 290 to 316. His OPS jumped from 993 to 1217. It's an insane increase to be sure, but the BA didn't jump nearly as much as you'd think. The real damage was his slugging % and OPS. Barry is a sure fire HOF player pre 1999 when he started using roids to keep up with McGwire and Sammy Sosa. Oh yeah, and his gold gloves were not due to steroids either, since he didn't win any after he began using.

@@erikdayne5429 and yet he was already hitting home runs at a high clip before his alleged use. It turned his home runs into mega home runs but they were still homers. great eye for the ball and one of the purest swings of all time!

@@erikdayne5429the whole league was on steroids. Bond still stood out.

Only because he cheated. He was a good all star before that who would have retired at 38 with numbers good enough for the HoF but not in anyone GOAT conversation. His numbers are steroid inflated.

Thanks for the words man, videos are only going to get better too. One day at a time

Watching young Barry was a treat

@@dourmoose Yup, Watched him at candlestick growing up

Oh man I miss the fog horn at the stick

@@winosandbar5077 Gives me chills

You can’t possibly know when he started taking steroids

he's #2 on the goat list behind Ohtani imo

Lol, no.

Wrong. His numbers are fraudulent. Barry Bonds belongs in the Hall of Shame.

@@bjblitz2701 3 mvps (tied for most all time), the most good gloves for a LF, 7 silver sluggers before 98 dosent belong in the hall ??? Lmaooooo

@@Barrybonds762 Yes? It doesn't matter if he hit 100 hrs a season, that does not impact the disqualifier.

He cheated and can't pitch. So that leaves Shohei as the GOAT.

He wasn’t even the best player of his own generation. That would be Ken Griffey Jr.

@@laartwork😭😆😂😂😆

@@erikdayne5429ABSOLUTELY FALSE, Bonds numbers were better, you’re just bitter.

​@@laartworkShohei don't know you exist he doesnt need your devotion little bro

Thanks! Going to be posting a lot this season ❤️

@@BottomoftheInning I'm now a subscriber, so I'm looking forward to them.

Thanks! 🙏

But then he cheated for years so can't have him Hall of Fame. What message does that send?

Also how do you know he was clean in the 90s? If he was willing to take steroids later in his career, you can’t say for sure he wouldn’t have been willing to do them earlier in his career. Yes he got bigger later but that could have been because he added HGH to the steroids he was already taking.

@@laartworkit sends that the writers let David Ortiz in knowing he cheated as well. Get off your high horse, Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because the writers are holding a grudge against him because he wasn’t nice to them. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with “integrity” of the game.

Key words- “we suspect”. The fact is we can’t say for sure when he started taking steroids, so we can’t say for sure which of his stats are legit and which are fraudulent.

@erikdayne5429 it's not that difficult to ballpark his stats sans PEDs. It's still amazing but not quite as amazing.

That’s because of the steroids

Weird it deflated once he retired. What is happening inside his head when on steroids?

Greg Maddux says Bonds was the easiest guy to pitch to, cuz you just walk him

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Thanks man! Excited to keep pumping out content during the season

Absolutely. The ball changed in mid 1993/start of 1994. Homeruns jumped an outrageous 48% between 1992 and 1994. Even more amazing, and telling, was the fact BABIP jumped 15 points from .285 to .300. So not only were guys hitting flyballs over the wall at a much higher rate, balls in play were landing for hits at a higher rate. All of that points to a more lively, more bouncy baseball that travels further in the air and leaves the infield quicker on grounders and line drives. And most importantly, the 1994 level of offense became the new norm (more or less) for the next 16 years. Those norms didnt change even well into the testing era. This juiced ball idea was understood at the time too. But it was forgotten about, and when the steroid controversies of the early/mid 2000s were in full bloom, the PED theory was retconned in the public consciousness to explain this unprecedented offensive surge.