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Bad Popes Don't Discredit the Papacy w/ Suan Sonna 

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In this clip, Matt and Suan talk about bad popes throughout history, and how there will be bad popes in the future, too. But no matter whether a pope is bad or good, the office of the Papacy remains valid.
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@diegofuentes6639
@diegofuentes6639 2 года назад
Popes come and go. We've had bad popes. That's true. But we've also had Great popes who are even saints, doctors of the Church and martyrs for Christ 🙏
@zlatanivanoff8878
@zlatanivanoff8878 2 года назад
True brother ✝️
@collegesuccess
@collegesuccess 2 года назад
St. Thomas More was martyred during the time of Alexander VI, one of the worst ever. We must stay the course in our day: "This is no time to be ashamed of the Gospel!" --St. John-Paul II
@essafats5728
@essafats5728 2 года назад
@Maia FernandezB oops there it is, another hateful ignorant protestant "Christian" How sad ur life must be in ur walk with Jesus.
@essafats5728
@essafats5728 2 года назад
@Maia FernandezB how unfortunate
@essafats5728
@essafats5728 2 года назад
@Maia FernandezB well I guess it's the blind leading the blind. How cruel of our good Lord Jesus to lead me back since last year to the Catholic church, not the sedevecantist, after 35+MIA yrs. If it wasn't Jesus Christ then I would cringe to think it was some other false god.
@alexd4066
@alexd4066 2 года назад
Very helpful as I’m navigating my way back to the Catholic Church
@VizziMoto
@VizziMoto 2 года назад
Prayers your way! Traditional Catholicism is a true gift in this modernized corrupt world. Dominus Vobiscum.
@truthisbeautiful7492
@truthisbeautiful7492 2 года назад
do you think Jesus was command his followers to obey evil false teachers that He called hypocrites and snakes? the Apostles refused to obey the Jewish religious leaders, sayinf we must God rather then men. and Christ Himself in Matthew 15 rejected the Pharisees's claim of Divine Tradition, comparing it to the written Word of God. repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, the only Head of the Church.
@VizziMoto
@VizziMoto 2 года назад
@@truthisbeautiful7492 Jesus commanded us to follow his Church which is The Catholic Church. You talk about Matthew 15, but nothing in that chapter tells us not to follow DIVINE tradition, only that not all Jewish traditions are divine, some are just established customs and it does not defile a man not to follow them. Please don’t use the Bible against those who wrote it and made it what it is. The Apostles and Jesus very clearly established traditions in The Church, Divine traditions that Jesus established through the Apostles. If you’re attacking Jesus’s established Traditions then be specific and I will try and answer anything you ask to the best of my ability. The Catholic Church and all those who follow it, aka the original and true Christians, had only tradition from Jesus through the Apostles and Disciples for over 350 years. Even after the Bible was written it was not accessible for many more years to most. Are you telling me Jesus would not have anything for his followers of his time? The New Testament is The Word of God written by the Apostles. Only later did the Catholic Church take those writings and translate them and all the Old testament writing into Latin around 320 AD. Saint Jerome was commissioned by Pope Damasus I. I ask that you please do your research and to not use the Bible created by the Catholic Church to attack it. The Catholic Church is Jesus’s One True Faith.
@jeanandre4023
@jeanandre4023 2 года назад
Logically, it's true that wicked or incompetent Popes don't discredit the Papacy (no more than counterfeit money discredits legitimate currency or a doctor who commits malpractice discredits the entire medical profession) but it sure doesn't help to encourage the faithful or defend the Church from attacks. When a priest or a bishop or a Pope speaks or acts in a scandalous way it's very serious.
@Wowowowowowowo
@Wowowowowowowo 2 года назад
A simple yet difficult rule would be criticize but never slander
@folofus4815
@folofus4815 2 года назад
A much needed message for this time!
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@jawain2 2 года назад
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@ElizaDolittle
@ElizaDolittle 2 года назад
Thank you for this.
@KauchiSGunasingha
@KauchiSGunasingha 2 года назад
Thanks for this!
@sarahm.819
@sarahm.819 2 года назад
“Be true to what you said on paper.” Mind blown. Will have to do some prayer and serious reflection on that one. 🤯😬
@ordinary_deepfake
@ordinary_deepfake 2 года назад
Except when king Jr slept with other woman cheated on his wife etc
@protheroenigma4441
@protheroenigma4441 2 года назад
Very informative and makes sense.
@seandegidon4672
@seandegidon4672 2 года назад
A wise and (under the circumstances) inspiring share, thanks!
@debbie2027
@debbie2027 2 года назад
Loved this
@puline397
@puline397 2 года назад
first time seeing this man, but i love him already. so well said! There are bad fruit everywhere, it's the principles that matter. ❤️
@gened7611
@gened7611 2 года назад
Antipopes also don't discredit the Papacy because they aren't Popes! FIFY
@CKSLAFE
@CKSLAFE 2 года назад
Why they don't address the Ratzinger resignation issue properly?
@stevecinneide8183
@stevecinneide8183 Год назад
@@CKSLAFE Because Catholics are a subspecies of Ostrich: they prefer to keep their heads in the sand...
@marcelsandino5483
@marcelsandino5483 2 года назад
Omg the best response ever
@miguelinteriano125
@miguelinteriano125 2 года назад
Genius genius 👍
@petethepeg2
@petethepeg2 2 года назад
Talking of discrediting the Papacy ,can we talk of the huge elephant in the room. This is a serious question and not stirring for the sake of it . The choir may not need converting but from an outsiders perspective isn`t this a disaster similar to a ship being holed below the waterline! Pope Francis has said he is “shamed” by the Catholic church’s failure to deal with paedophile priests in France, as one of his closest advisers pushed for an inquiry into the sexual abuse of children by clergy in Italy. A landmark report on Tuesday found that at least 330,000 children were sexually abused by clergy and lay members of church institutions in France over the past 70 years. So not just bad Popes but bad Priests . If the Shepherds are afflicted isn`t it inevitable that the sheep will be scattered and flee and be meat for the beasts waiting . The Holy Spirit is grieving!
@TheT122
@TheT122 2 года назад
Supposing that in the Pope his defects were more predominant than his virtues ... What good these "defects" have done us because it is evident that they have caused Pharisaism, purism, self-righteousness, the moralism that we hid in the bottom of our hearts to emerge. ! Now to see a man like Cardinal Scola say the same in other words, it comforts me and GOD wants all those systematic critics of the Pope to listen to him. I mean, they are not going to say that Scola is a modernist, if the most conservative wings pushed for him to be elected Pope in the last conclave. And not only that, it is gratifying that he also emphasizes the quote from Benedict XVI that I have been repeating for the last few years due to a false conception that faith is primarily a doctrine. Cardinal Scola says: "Francis shares the opinion of Benedict XVI that Christianity is not primarily a doctrine or an ethic, but a personal encounter with Christ within the church community" And I repeat again: Can one be orthodox in doctrine and not have a daily, personal meeting congruent with our LORD? Of course! Let us not forget that those who plotted the death of our LORD were "experts in law and doctrine." Let us thank GOD because he has given us a Pope who is hitting our ego, our pedantry! God bless you.
@dewydoright9878
@dewydoright9878 2 года назад
Wow.
@analaurafuentes2550
@analaurafuentes2550 2 года назад
Big mistake we do is not even understand Francis. The Holy See first off is literaly the chair the Pope sits on. Which most get confused. The Pope is also the King of Rome. Yes an actual King. The Vatican is the Country itself. If you understand the difference and each role that plays, all things end up making sense.
@paulhudson4254
@paulhudson4254 2 года назад
This Pope is not the first to simply not understand the difference between theory and practice! 🙏🌺☦️🌺🙏
@Sippin777
@Sippin777 2 года назад
Mmm, Lagavulin!
@timothyobrien8591
@timothyobrien8591 2 года назад
Call a spade a spade, this is the worst pope in history.
@arkofthecovenant6235
@arkofthecovenant6235 2 года назад
Listening to Suan: I too believe in the principles of this Country among other things. Was the reformation a byproduct of our Independence & Constitutional history???📺👍🏼
@carlingtonme
@carlingtonme 2 года назад
We're not saying the current Pope is bad😑 not us(wink,wink,oh not us Could be sure..
@zolle132
@zolle132 2 года назад
How can a pope be a heretic if he is infallible speaking ex cathedra.
@christopherwilson7902
@christopherwilson7902 2 года назад
Matt, are you going to invite Mike Lewis or anyone else who actually defends Pope Francis on your show? I have noticed that you give plenty of air time to the Holy Father's critics. Asking for a friend.
@christopherwilson7902
@christopherwilson7902 2 года назад
I greatly respect you and your ministry to the Church. I just wish you would be willing to have a defender of Pope Francis on Pints With Aquinas because I am afraid that the podcast is in danger of becoming an anti-Francis echo chamber.
@samuelducay4937
@samuelducay4937 2 года назад
I do find these things just petty excuses for them. They say they just criticize the Pope and still respect him is just mental gymnastics though it is very much obvious that they dont like him and that their beliefs are better than his. Pride is pride no matter where you look at it.
@folofus4815
@folofus4815 2 года назад
@@samuelducay4937 So you’re not allowed to criticize anyone you respect? Respect is blind now?
@folofus4815
@folofus4815 2 года назад
If he’s going to have a Pope Francis defender, I would hope it’s someone who isn’t an unapologetic liar like Mike Lewis
@samuelducay4937
@samuelducay4937 2 года назад
@@folofus4815 Of course you can always criticize. I did not mention anything forbidding that. What i meant was they just dont criticize him, they also imply that he is a bad Pope comparing him to those actual bad Pope who did way worse than him.
@violet2413
@violet2413 2 года назад
Many saints in our Church were persecuted, slandered, misunderstood etc remember Diary of Saint Faustina was once on list of forbiden books by Vatican.... My feeling is that Pope Francis enters that category.... So dont judge him....He is not antipope or for that matter bad pope, Jesus ate with sinners while they were sinners, he was not afraid associate with them although many people rebuked him for that... He gave people chance, in my opinion Pope Francis is doing the same.... He want us belivers to open our hearts.... So please have someone that defends Pope Francis to interview, we need whole story.....thank you and all the best
@vkbowers
@vkbowers 2 года назад
Jesus did this *but* he always called them to repent, to do the hard thing. This is the element missing in Pope Francis. He confuses and permits and refuses to call people to do better---instead he uses so many words to say things which lack the power to reform sinners.
@scipioafricanus2
@scipioafricanus2 2 года назад
Is there any way Benedict can be reinstalled as Pope? He should not have been allowed to resign. What in blazes was he thinking restricting the traditional latin mass? It is just a legitimate as the new form if not more so and should be expanded and promoted just as Benedict stated.
@folofus4815
@folofus4815 2 года назад
He could be reinstated if the Cardinals elected him again. Which they shouldn’t and won’t since he’s 94 years old.
@danialezero93
@danialezero93 2 года назад
The most tempting thoughts and feelings for me since a few years back are that He is actually still the Pope! I’m no sede but this is the only way my soul and intelligence allow me to keep a sane mind in the midst of so much confusion!
@CKSLAFE
@CKSLAFE 2 года назад
He never left, he resigned to the ministry instead of the munus making the resignation invalid. This makes the conclave invalid. The chair of Peter is impeded.
@FFunez
@FFunez 2 года назад
@@CKSLAFE Get out of here with your crazy sede conspiracies.
@CKSLAFE
@CKSLAFE 2 года назад
@@FFunez I'm not a sede the pope is Benedict. Sede is different. You hate truth/God that is why you answer with lies and you are indifferent to the canon law.
@heathervancalcar4446
@heathervancalcar4446 2 года назад
I love our Popes. I love Saint Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict, of course, Saint Peter, Pope Gregory, and many many more. lol Its not the office or the position. To me Pope Francis is like a new age King Saul in the time of King David (before David was king) Pope Francis is still God's chosen, despite bad actions, or things he says that I don't agree with. I will still respect and pray for him, because he is God's chosen. However, just like King David, who hid as to not get involved with Saul as much as possible. I do will not join in on nor agreed with the red flag things that I see or hear that is not morally right. I do pray with all my might for the miracle that Pope Francis can be untangled by what ever devil share has got him. Whatever is happening to him spiritually has to be terrifying. I respect, love and pray for Pope Francis, but I cannot agree with everything he does and says. For the vaccines push, saying abortion is not that important, and then there is the fake god being placed in God's space... No thank you. The actions, make me think of King Saul and King David. So like David, who respected God and his chosen.. I will do that too. But, I will not obey or believe a human person. Over our Dear Lord. Not ever. Lets keep praying for him with all our love, hearts, and spirits! God Bless! Viva Christo Rey!
@stevecinneide8183
@stevecinneide8183 Год назад
That pollock covered abuse scandal after scandal. He was a senile old man who should have been strapped to a rocket and sent to the sun.
@truthisbeautiful7492
@truthisbeautiful7492 2 года назад
so was Jesus commanding his followers to obey evil false teachers that crucified Christ? No. In the book of acts, the Apostles refuse to obey the Religious authorities and say 'we must God rather then man.' The false morals and false doctrine of the Papacy is bad fruit.
@markpatterson2517
@markpatterson2517 2 года назад
There seems to be something wrong with the selection process of the pope if bad popes slips through. This would imply the Holy Spirit isn't specificly selecting the pope.
@miwimarmer232
@miwimarmer232 2 года назад
@G m Then we are being tested by seeing If we will abandon the true church over a bad apple
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 года назад
Thats delusional...the church is the Body of Christ...any claims from the RCC, Orthodox or others to be "the one true church" are why we are in this mess to begin with.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 года назад
@G m I am not insulting...It is my belief that it is a delusional idea. The papacy and Francis can not be reconciled with traditional Roman Catholic teaching and his very Christian Orthodoxy is in question.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 года назад
@G m I am not Roman Catholic, the word catholic small c just means universal in greek. I do not believe in the Roman Catholic distinctive dogmas or doctrines. I am in fact Christian Protestant but i have spent 10 years studying Roman Catholicism, Church history, etc.
@miwimarmer232
@miwimarmer232 2 года назад
@@Adam-ue2ig then you, as a protestant are acting as an authority over the highest rank in our church. Get your head a shake
@cinnamondan4984
@cinnamondan4984 2 года назад
Pope Francis is my favourite
@DeathWatch-jh3yx
@DeathWatch-jh3yx 2 года назад
Bergoglio is a mason tho 🤔
@FFunez
@FFunez 2 года назад
Get your crazy protestant conspiracies out of here.
@jimisoulman6021
@jimisoulman6021 2 года назад
Bad pope's for me raise questions about their divine appointment and the divine authority of the office. If the papacy were a man made construct (which I believe since humans must have free agency and responsibility) then bad pope's would inevitably turn up. By if they are God appointed there ought to be no bad Popes. Keep up the great thought provoking discussions. I do not agree with all you post but I like being challenged.
@johnflorio3052
@johnflorio3052 2 года назад
Do you discount the testimony of the other disciples because Judas Iscariot was among them?
@johnno.
@johnno. 2 года назад
@@johnflorio3052 judas iscariot wasnt a leader of them
@renzothesonger5411
@renzothesonger5411 2 года назад
the very first ministry of Jesus, and one of the people in that ministry literally betrayed him. does that mean the other apostles' authority is dismissed, because one of the apostles is bad?
@renzothesonger5411
@renzothesonger5411 2 года назад
"Bad apostles for me raise questions about their divine appointment and the divine authority of the office. If apostleship were a man made construct (which I believe since humans must have free agency and responsibility) then bad apostles would inevitably turn up. By if they are God appointed there ought to be no bad apostles." same way of argument, but here's the thing: God permit it to happen. how? Judas. does that mean the divine authority of apostles are compromised because of Judas? no. they still have that authority, and that they are still God appointed (Jesus literally appointed them face to face.) despite the fact that Judas Iscariot was also one of them.
@renzothesonger5411
@renzothesonger5411 2 года назад
@@johnno. the fact that Judas Iscariot was literally one of Jesus' Apostles, says enough.
@MrFossil367ab45gfyth
@MrFossil367ab45gfyth 2 года назад
Pope Francis is a good Pope. He is a peaceful, humble, critical-thinking, caring man. I like him!
@miwimarmer232
@miwimarmer232 2 года назад
People make him out to be an evil elitist but yeah he is just a nice, humble guy.
@artstocker60
@artstocker60 2 года назад
@@miwimarmer232 Who preaches heresy and promotes confusion, and confusion is not a gift of the Holy Spirit. Confusion comes from the othwr guy.
@miwimarmer232
@miwimarmer232 2 года назад
@@artstocker60 prove it then. If he was spouting heresy he would be excomunicated.
@VizziMoto
@VizziMoto 2 года назад
Pope Francis says some good things sometimes, but it’s what he does that shows his corruption and lukewarmness.
@botrjez
@botrjez 2 года назад
He's not peacful. He promoted the use of physical violence in response of an insult.
@t6v5c2
@t6v5c2 2 года назад
Oh for the love of all things holy!!!! It’s not merely a “bad pope”. The issue is a manifest heretic claiming to be the Vicar of Christ.
@sanjivjhangiani3243
@sanjivjhangiani3243 2 года назад
Pope Liberius may have embraced the Arian heresy. And there was a pope in the Middle Ages who said that souls were only judged on the Last Day. This pope's pronouncements are not ex cathedra statements.
@artstocker60
@artstocker60 2 года назад
Being only a bad Pope would be an improvement for Francis.
@miwimarmer232
@miwimarmer232 2 года назад
Buddy, we just have to endure with it. Be careful since what you are spouting is basically heresy
@artstocker60
@artstocker60 2 года назад
@@miwimarmer232 Now, now. You would disappoint Francis if he knew you were adhering to rigid clericalism if he knew you were putting the pope above reproacj.
@gfujigo
@gfujigo 2 года назад
What's wrong, is Pope Francis too Christian these days? God forbid he focuses on the love of God to all peoples, and that we care about the unfortunate.
@Ronny423
@Ronny423 2 года назад
Not Christian enough, but thanks for playing.
@gfujigo
@gfujigo 2 года назад
@@Ronny423 How and why? What did he do that is not Christian enough?
@wolfhound1452
@wolfhound1452 2 года назад
Doctor Knows He is a woke pope.
@gfujigo
@gfujigo 2 года назад
@@wolfhound1452 What do you mean by that? I am not clear on what you mean by "woke" and what examples underpin your determination. How did you come to that conclusion that he is "woke"? Thanks.
@VizziMoto
@VizziMoto 2 года назад
Pope Francis talks a good talk sometimes, but he his walk is another thing. He is lukewarm and we all know what Jesus says about the lukewarm. His actions define him.
@Justas399
@Justas399 2 года назад
These "bad" popes show that the Holy Spirit is not guiding Catholic church and that the gates of hell have prevailed.
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 2 года назад
so Christ was mistaken (or the scriptures misquote him)? God forbid... time to find a different religion!
@mariequ88
@mariequ88 2 года назад
There're bad teachers everywhere. Bad parents exist does that mean parents comes from the devil?
@Justas399
@Justas399 2 года назад
@@mariequ88 Agree with you there. However, the claims of the papacy by your church goes far beyond this for a pope. He is the only vicar of Christ on earth. He is the holy father.
@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro
@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro 2 года назад
The real question are: is the doctrine right or not? Is the church still one and Catholic? If it's so, the Holly Spirit is doing what is needed.
@miguelinteriano125
@miguelinteriano125 2 года назад
Hahaha so ignorant
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