Bambu Lab A1: Does AMS lite on top RUIN print quality?

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Hello, 3D Printing friends! Today we're going to find out if putting the four spool AMS lite on top of the Bambu Lab A1 destroys its ability to print.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
00:31 PCBWay
01:06 Concerns
01:35 Why Top Mount?
02:13 About the Top Mount
03:05 Testing Methodology
03:51 AMS lite Next to Printer
04:20 Printing the Top Mount
05:27 AMS lite on top, Comparing Prints
05:38 Side-by-Side Eiffel Towers
06:52 Side-by-Side Teaching Tech's Wobble Test
07:38 Which is which? Comment!
08:03 THE ANSWER IS...
08:20 Wrapping Up

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@darkracer1252 3 дня назад

that video showing it rocking back and forth like that. 100% SHOWS you CANNOT and should never ever. mount that thing ontop. and yes it's visible on the smooth tower.. gotta look at the light reflection in the radius. almost looks like it has a z wobble. ofcourse if you actually had studio lighting. studio camera and knowledge on how to opperate those 2. we would be much better able to see this. and the fact that you don't see it means you are either blind. OR LYING.

@BV3D 3 дня назад

Hi! Thank you for your generous offer of free studio lighting, a free studio camera, and free lessons to use them in a satisfactory manner. Find the items you want me to have on Amazon, email the links to me, and I'll put them on a wishlist so you can buy them and have them shipped to me. You're so kind for doing this! Also, feel free to not mount the AMS LIte on top of your A1. It works for me without a problem, but if it doesn't work for you, that's OK. Also, yes, I'm blind without my glasses, so there's that. Thanks for pointing that out.

@darkracer1252 3 дня назад

@@BV3D what's up with the favoriting of comments that are bad? i see many youtubers do it. is it tricking the algorythm into thinking this was a positive interaction so it doesn't get less recommendations?

@BV3D 3 дня назад

@@darkracer1252 I don't know about others, but I only favorite comments from viewers I like. And with such obvious generosity as yours, how could I NOT like this one and give it a heart? Was that not enough to show my appreciation? Should I pin the comment as well? Yes! That's the perfect way to show everybody how kind you are! Consider it pinned, so it's the first thing other viewers see when they check the comments! And thank you again, very much! When the new studio lighting and camera that you are providing arrive, I"ll be sure to mention it in a Community post and give you a shout-out in the first video they get used in!

@darkracer1252 3 дня назад

@@BV3D you need to seek mental help.

@andrewhumphrey6863 3 дня назад

@@darkracer1252ya need to kinda chill out. This is a hobby. There are a million and 1 more constructive ways to suggest corrections etc..

@ToddRumbach 7 месяцев назад

I couldn't tell. Bambu has bed slingers figured out. Thanks for another great video.

@arnothieb8953 Месяц назад

Hi, first time seeing yours videos. My A1 is actually prints the top mount. Thank you, i have no regret ! From France 🎉

@GregsMakerCorner 7 месяцев назад

Great vid! I was just wondering about this. I have a mini currently, but planning to upgrade it to a full A1.

@A1N0 7 месяцев назад

The thing is, while the printer may wobble, the motion between the printer and table doesn't matter. The only thing that needs to be constant is the motion between the extruder and print bed, and because of a strong design, that doesn't change. This is the same reason that all the shaking of an X1C doesn't really matter, and new feet or concrete blocks don't change print quality. But a great video confirming this.

@emtrax 7 месяцев назад

“strong design”... no, it’s not! Both Z-beams are absolutely light and relatively thin - only connected at the top by injection molded parts - tends to skew. The entire print quality only works through active input shaping, so you shouldn't fool yourself or sugarcoat anything.

@Yoriel79 7 месяцев назад

Probablemente colocar tanta masa en ese punto crítico, aunque a priori no afecte a la calidad de impresión, acabe por reducir la vida útil de la impresora. Las vibraciones nunca son buenas para ningún mecanismo.

@BenWolkWeiss 7 месяцев назад

Exactly. I believe Maker's Muse did a series of videos on this a while ago where he tested different configurations and even suspended the printer in mid air without much difference to the print quality. This is before input shaping was available so that benefit was not a factor.

@andyvannort2743 7 месяцев назад

Strong in this use is RELATIVE@@emtrax

@thiagobaldwin2700 6 месяцев назад

@@emtraxbro ate you a bot or a hater? Why such negativity on so many comments?? Go touch some grass

@robertparenton7470 7 месяцев назад

Thank You! From Frisco, TX. Well, my AMS lite is going on top!

@alexe.sicox3d294 7 месяцев назад

congratulations for the video!!! I suppose, however, that all those stresses on the axes, perhaps over time they can lead to structural problems with the printer or maybe not... Now I haven't managed to buy the A1 yet but I will do it soon... I think I'll leave the AMS alongside too if it takes up a lot of space and I don't even know if I'll fit there hahahaha....

@Nerdhaunt 6 месяцев назад

I'm considering upgrading my Ender 3 V3 SE 3D printer, as it's a good starter, but I'm dealing with issues like inconsistent print quality and auto Z offset, which are becoming frustrating. I've narrowed down my choices to two options: 1. Flashforge Adventurer 5M, priced at $550 in my country. 2. Creality K1 is also around $550 2. Bambulab A1, costing $700 here, but it's not officially sold, leading to higher prices. Which one would you recommend? Creality printers are the only ones with good prices here. However, it seems like all of them need some fixing or adjusting. I want a printer that I can just start printing, go to work, and return to a finished print. I've heard that even the K1 can be unreliable at times.

@Immolate62 7 месяцев назад

Yes this matches my experience so far. I've only put maybe ten spools through it, but having the AMS on top doesn't seem to impact its solid performance.

@mgg6905 6 месяцев назад

Would you recommend running the vibration compensation calibration again after mounting it?

@ronm6585 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Bryan. Happy New Year.

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Happy new year! 🥳

@nouyoter 7 месяцев назад

Btw guys, if you are afraid of it snapping off, you can (obviously) use ABS or PETG or PLA+ OR you can lower the layer height to as low as possible, as that also increases print strength

@thatdude610 6 месяцев назад

What print some did you use to print this kit? Standard 2 wall loops and 15% infill, or did you bump it up?

@gwallace70 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the video, maybe a good moment to get the combo

@RobertGlazier 7 месяцев назад

I really could not tell either. Thanks.

@williamsteele 7 месяцев назад

You know, Bryan, this result doesn't surprise me one bit. I ran into the same arguments when I installed the 3DChameleon's Y adapter on top of the Bambu X1C's extruder... people kept telling me that it would cause issues with the print. But they thing they kept forgetting is that the the Bambu printers use input shaping compensation which cancels out the mass automatically. In fact, this is the exact type of inverted pendulum mass cancellation that the input shaping algorithm is designed for.

@mishelle6315 7 месяцев назад

From using the A1 MIni and AMS Lite, I wouldn't have them on top unless I planned on only using Bambu spools. LOL Other spools, even with the printable converters, can roll right off the AMS Lite. 😀

@TheRealSamPrentice 7 месяцев назад

That's the ticket ! :) Great video !

@woodwaker1 7 месяцев назад

Did you notice any movement of the tower towards the top? That would be my concern that it might separate from the bed.

@vapelandvn 6 месяцев назад

i love kind of that mount, very clean table with this stuff

@luigiboselli311 7 месяцев назад

Hi, I wanted to buy a bambulab a1 3D printer and I wanted to use IKEA lack to make a box but having a room in winter with an ambient temperature of 16.5°C. I wanted to close on three sides with MDF and leave open at the front... for air recycling. Could it improve the temperature?

@chillywilly7881 Месяц назад

What settings and filament choice did you use to print your mount?

@PowerChaos День назад

it only affect the print if you do extreme long prints and multi color prints, so weight get less and "trows" off the "input shaper " and generate more or less wobble so it get overcomensated but to be honest i do not think it will make ahuge difference or that it will cause failed prints, on other side every printer use those spools and are attached to the top of the printer or the side of the printer, it has the same effect as the weight will cause "inbalance" but yet no one can really see it Keep up the good work :D

@paulcumber4732 7 месяцев назад

happy new year bv3d

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Happy new year, Paul!

@ElburroE 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Bryan. I always come straight to you when researching 3D print stuff. In your opinion, do you think the AMS can be places on the LEFT side of the printer on a table? Bambu says to put it on the right, but I can't see why, physically, it can't go on the left. Thoughts?

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

The cable connecting the AMS lite to the printer will reach. The only potential issue is not having a place to clip the toolhead cable -- the one that connects the tool head to the right side of the X axis arm. Normally that gets clipped to the Bowden tubes, and when the AMS lite is mounted on the right side, that cable and the Bowden tubes tend to follow the same arc. If you have a way to keep that cable up and out of the way, you could probably get away with having the AMS lite on the left side.

@DeRock401 6 месяцев назад

You sir, are awesome.

@Cloudsbrain 7 месяцев назад

I don't know if its just the lighting, but on the Tower the detailed part unter der railing looks less detailed on the ams on top one. Could also be a focus thing.

@corwinwhitehorn7759 7 месяцев назад

Maker's Muse made an interesting video 3 month ago about that as well. And you still have the coolest T-shirts ever...👍

@MrJlhhagood2 6 месяцев назад

Any modifications to the stock slicer profiles

@angrybeaver6667 2 месяца назад

Thannks for the video, just wish you would have shared printer settings for printig the pieces.

@jtclark5274 7 месяцев назад

Might I suggest using a drag chain for the head wire? I printed one I found on MakerWorld and really like it as well as the top mount. Also, I printed a few of the 3D Dad Jokes you featured, and they are great. Thank you for that video.

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

That's a great idea! I'm going to look for one!

@edwinirizarry9277 7 месяцев назад

Def interested in this vid since alotta people are wishy washy and man it would be nice to put it on top but I havnt outta fear lol ❤️🙏🏻 we are all one

@dancoon7653 7 месяцев назад

Winder if it could be mounted sideways to a wall?? I dont have space above the printer but would love to get it up off the surface

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Several wall-mount options for the AMS lite popped up shortly after the A1 mini was released. They would probably work with the full size A1, too.

@Filmman586 7 месяцев назад

Bryan, is the mount printed in just PLA?

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Mine is, yeah. If it starts looking like it's deforming (PLA can do that over time if it's under stress), I will likely reprint in PETG. But the one in the video (which is still on the printer) is in PLA.

@Filmman586 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Bryan!!!!@@BV3D

@ronalddhs3726 7 месяцев назад

Hi, great vid (complement in advance :) ) The left ones looked slightly better to me.

@edwinirizarry9277 7 месяцев назад

I can not tell the diff …. I think imma do this mount it will def save space ❤🙏🏻we are all one

@super3dprinter501 6 месяцев назад

What's the total height with the AMS on top?

@Morrisado 7 месяцев назад

Hi Bryan, please could you let us know how tall the printer is with the AMS lite on top? Thanks!

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Its height is between 31.5 and 32 inches (800mm to 812mm), to give a bit of room for the Bowden tubes.

@Morrisado 7 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@alberts6096 6 месяцев назад

@@Morrisado needed tis information as well, thanks for asking.

@permethious 7 месяцев назад

Worth noting that Bambu also sell the screws for it on their site for 1.99

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

That's cool, I didn't know that!

@stevemisher7197 13 дней назад

Because the filament is mounted above the printer, aren't you worried about the filament starting to absorb moisture, considering some prints take several hours to complete? I ask, because so many makers say the material needs to be kept dry. I just purchased the A1Combo and just wanted to know.

@MattTester 7 месяцев назад

I'm impressed that there isn't a difference, however the inconvenience this introduces when changing the spools would annoy me. My AMS Lite (for the A1 Mini rather than the A1) Lives on a pegboard mount above the machine and so far that has been perfect. By that I mean it hasn't fallen off yet...

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

The top mount for the A1 can rotate left or right to make it easier to get to the spools on the back of the AMS lite. It's not a _huge_ inconvenience (though it's not entirely as simple as having the AMS lite sitting next to the printer).

@cspmsmc 6 месяцев назад

The right side wobble test was printed with the AMS up top. When you show the right side you can see that it was tilted a bit.

@jmp7624 6 месяцев назад

Great topic for a video but if I'm being honest, I think the results of this are kind of misleading. The prints were printed super slow or in a higher resolution and this helps a lot with the added weight or two hide quality differences. The Eiffel tower is took you twice as long to print than it would on a higher resolution or faster print and that's what most people will be doing with these printers. The blue filament is not a great filament to show any inconsistencies or differences in the layers and I think black should have been chosen here. The lighting, angle, and youtube's compression also doesn't help show us accurate results since we cannot see the layer lines at all. We are basically taking your word for the quality because we cant really see it. I have seen some youtubers compare printers and say the quality is "basically identical" when you can clearly see differences and layer inconsistencies in the prints they show.

@terryastrickland 2 месяца назад

If anyone is still looking at this thread: First, thank you very much for this information. Have a new A1 (for two weeks) and was concerned about this very issue. Second, where can I find that excellent model of the Eiffel Tower?

@BV3D 2 месяца назад

Hi! I had to hunt for it again, but I found it: makerworld.com/en/models/40302#profileId-40010

@terryastrickland 2 месяца назад

@@BV3D Excellent. Thanks.

@dennysawyer3980 7 месяцев назад

I need that shirt! Or one just like it anyway.

@shannim5 7 месяцев назад

Bryan... Since the A1 uses input shaping to compensate for mass and resonances, what are your thoughts for long prints that use tons of filament? Would the decreasing mass up top cause the input shaping to be increasingly "off" the further along the print progresses?

@rendez2k 7 месяцев назад

Great video. I'm more worried about 3rd party spools that don't fit so well falling off... Any experience with that yet?

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

So far I've only run into one spool that had a hub diameter too large to fit on the AMS lite. There are various hub adapters you can download and print, and I did print one, but it still wasn't a tight fit on the spool itself. I ended up respooling the filament onto another spool, which worked fine and took a lot less time than printing an adapter.

@rendez2k 7 месяцев назад

@@BV3D any tips for respooling? Do you use a tool of any kind?

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

@@rendez2k ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LuhLuW35Urw.html I used the one from this video. In the time since its release early this year, I'm sure newer ones have been released. But this one has done pretty well for me so far.

@rendez2k 7 месяцев назад

@@BV3D thank you 😊

@nobodyimportant8811 7 месяцев назад

Love the shirt

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@jcfpv3454 7 месяцев назад

Thx bv3d

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

You are quite welcome!

@FKCreationsPrints Месяц назад

what does this printer measure with AMS Lite on top i have a space im hoping to put the printer but its not here yet need to plan an instalation 🤣😆

@BV3D Месяц назад

Are you wanting just the height, or the entire volume of space where the printer would comfortably fit?

@FKCreationsPrints Месяц назад

@@BV3D just the height of you have it to hand please

@BV3D Месяц назад

@@FKCreationsPrints Its height is between 31.5 and 32 inches (800mm to 812mm), to give a bit of room for the Bowden tubes.

@FKCreationsPrints Месяц назад

@@BV3D thanks this is just what I needed very helpful

@BV3D Месяц назад

@@FKCreationsPrints Sure thing! I hope it'll fit where you want to put it!

@JoeMikeMakes 6 месяцев назад

This man has the best hair. ever. ;)

@victoroos 6 месяцев назад

Freedom units? Anyway, thanks for the video!!!

@BV3D 6 месяцев назад

Freedom Units, yep! I'm one of those weird people who think the Metric System is the way to go, but I live in a country where everything is using Imperial measurements.

@shawnrathbone 7 месяцев назад

Love the tShirt

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@sotm6078 7 месяцев назад

No link as promised to the AMS top mount!!!!!

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Oops! I apologize. I thought I had that in the description, but apparently not. I mean, I do NOW, but that doesn't help you three hours ago. For convenience, here's the link: makerworld.com/en/models/92486

@nutzy99ify Месяц назад

So do what i did, make a box for the a1 and mount your ams lite ontop. Now itst almost a p1s

@802Garage 7 месяцев назад

The left Eiffel tower looked slightly sharper on details to me, while the right ringing test tower looked ever so slightly better, but if I'm being honest it felt more like lighting than anything else. Extremely hard to noticed any major differences.

@Falkoni339 4 месяца назад

The right Eifeltower looked a bit bend to me, but that could just be me.

@JaXxX410 Месяц назад

Well this settles it. She's going up top. I'm guessing you used standard PLA?

@Twin_Flyer 7 месяцев назад

A bit more stringing on the model then I expected considering the hype around it. But the prints do look great otherwise.

@MrJlhhagood2 6 месяцев назад

I've heard of the #2 roll falling off and crashing into the bed

@drewg1981 2 месяца назад

30 bucks on amazon... a quad holder and 3 bowden tubes later and i don't need an ams.... btw its only there to tell the printer what you are using for filament...

@testjeaapiel9707 7 месяцев назад

its funny how everyone puts the ams on there the wrong way. turn it 180 degrees and it wil be actually carried by all of the printers feet. need an extension tho for high prints

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

We're installing it that way because that's how it's designed to be installed. 😁 Doing it backwards doesn't get you what you may think it does. With the bracket mounted backwards: • The toolhead cable will contact the bracket when Z is at about 190mm. You lose 25% of your build height. • The AMS lite is now angled backward, decreasing the bend radius on the Bowden tubes at low Z values, and increasing friction within them. This can cause feed issues. • The Bowden tubes now rub against the two forward spools, and could get snagged between them during a print. • It becomes extremely difficult to access the screw that locks the unit in the center position (the screw is removed to turn the unit to the left or right to access the spools at the back).

@aqhan 7 месяцев назад

Truthfully, I am less concerned about quality, and more about long time gantry reliability. We can do all the tricks in the world, but having 5kg of extra weight wobbling back and forth constantly, will undoubtedly wear out mounting points over time. And that is far more important, to keep the gantry solid and square.

@jessicaalvis7063 Месяц назад

If the engineers have taken that into account when they designed the product then it is of no concern.

@aqhan Месяц назад

@@jessicaalvis7063 Yeah, many newbies shut more experienced people like myself down. We are now hearing that we were right. Exactly what was obvious to us that would eventually go wrong, did go wrong for many. You can't cheat physics and material dynamics.

@jessicaalvis7063 Месяц назад

@@aqhan so have your top mounted ams deformed your a1 chassis?

@aqhan Месяц назад

@@jessicaalvis7063 I haven't done it because I'm not that stupid. Many did. I did say, can't beat physics. Eventually gantry mounting points will loosen up and gantry will go out of square. Good luck dealing with that. And Sure as the rain, people now starting to file returns and repairs for wonky gantries. I suggest less ignorance in form of "if the manufacturer did it, it must be good", and a bit more research, learning and experience. Helps to listen to people that done it all and seen it all.

@jessicaalvis7063 Месяц назад

@@aqhan you have no idea about my knowledge or experience with 3D printing, just like I have no idea about yours. Why dont you provide us with some evidence that top mounting is harmful? Even just anecdotal evidence. A Reddit Forum. Something. Because right now all I hear is gas. It has nothing to do with physics. An H-beam that carries a ceiling Can handle that load ofr decades or even centures. So if the gantry is build for it then it Can also handle it for the printers life time.

@emtrax 7 месяцев назад

Oh no... why does the test model taper so much towards the top? Please use models that independently cause large X/Y movements at low and high Z - the Eiffel Tower is absolutely unsuitable for the test! The alternative tower is also unsuitable - symmetrical distances and too narrow... no possibility for sufficient acceleration.

@car_tar3882 7 месяцев назад

Most 3D models taper at the top

@emtrax 7 месяцев назад

@@car_tar3882 you're missing the point

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

Hi! If you've got a suggestion for a model, let me know. I asked for suggestions on the first A1 video, and got "Eiffel Tower" and "Wobble Test" so that's what I printed. I also got a suggestion for the Torture Toaster but that one's pretty short so I didn't think it would show much.

@atienne_navarre 7 месяцев назад

Paused - Left is With AMS on Top.

@atienne_navarre 7 месяцев назад

OK, I was wrrrrrrrrrrrrrong. lol Good Job

@BV3D 7 месяцев назад

😉 Thanks!

@TakeItToTheGround Месяц назад

I love the term "freedom units". I laugh every time I hear it. Imperial units, such as lbs was the unit of the English monarch you had a revolution from. Metric is the units of France, the original country to revolute from Monarchy. So really. Lbs, inch, foot, mile etc should be units of the "oppressor". A long way from "freedom units".

@BV3D Месяц назад

I say it to be funny. I'm one of those weird Americans who likes the Metric system. 😊

@omgfrankie 7 месяцев назад

Simple answer.. No it does not . If it does ruin your print quality the problem is your print

@dehdeh6143 7 месяцев назад

Tldr: no

@yourt00bz 7 месяцев назад

This man need to be stopped

@officialteamroc 7 месяцев назад

its funny wehen people say i moved the other print to a differnet printer because they dont want to waste time with color swaps!!!! the system is broken!!!!! we need a better color changing system!!!! bambus is stupid!!! yes i have one!!! i dont even use it because its a waste of time and filament

@judd_s5643 7 месяцев назад

If Bambu’s is so stupid why don’t you get four of your best friends, design a printer Than convince someone to give you money and then present it to the world and turn the entire consumer 3D Market on end! We’re waiting…..eagerly

@gerGoPrint3D 7 месяцев назад

@@judd_s5643 Multi-extruder printers do it more efficiently, but of course they have a different set of challenges and limitations.

@andyvannort2743 7 месяцев назад

Moving to another printer doesn't save time on swa0a. Because there are none. Same as a 1 color bambu print... dur dur dur

@roysutton577 Месяц назад

Bambulabs Canada recently shipped a known defective A1 with a recall notice on powerup on the LCD. They have not contacted the customer and have not informed the government that the unit could cause a fire and possible electrocution since February. The unit was delivered close to the Burnaby depot and they could have easily shipped a working unit and a tech to make it right. Drive time is now 28 minutes. Avoid this shoddy company. I have unopened X1C and P1P and an A1 Mini. Perhaps I will return them tomorrow if nothing is resolved.