Basement Brewery Build Part 9 | Rustoleum Rocksolid Metallic FAIL and how I recovered 

Yeah I am really enjoying sharing it. Once I'm done I'll probably do a marathon of all my videos from start to finish. Lol just to see all that I've done! I'll always share the good and the bad so people can be informed. Thanks for taking time to comment! Cheers Tim! 👍🍻

Lol a beautiful disaster!!

Your welcome. NOW.. If you want to use a solid color kit, I have had success with that before as well as others. @jakesbrewhouse on instagram is a good example. He had great success with his recently. For me, not so much with the metallic product. 👍🍻

Yeah I'm happy with it!! Sorry to hear you had the same experience!! 👍🍻

Yeah you sure can!! Cheers David! 👍🍻

Thanks!

For sure!! How's your project coming along?? Cheers Andrew! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers yeh pretty good thanks. I'm about ready to shoot a little update video. Recon later this week!

Yeah.. I will say I am not totally convinced some of it was my fault. I think I followed everything to the directions..I must be missing something.. BUT I worked in the auto repair industry for decades (Body and paint) and I know about chemicals and application techniques. who knows! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers I doubt it was your fault for the simple fact that EVERYONE has had these similar issues. Not ONE video on RU-vid or big box store review has someone that says, I love this product and it worked out perfectly.

We did a 3 car garage with 3 boxes and had no issue..it covered wonderfully and came out great!!

Your right the product looked beautiful. Bubbles will happen over concrete as moisture escapes in some spots. Heat will get rid of them. You would need spiked shoes to pretty much easily control them. But there will not be alot of them. The big ones happen when the product is put on too thick. But they can be dealt with with a heat torch, I think that is what it is called. If there was a good primer coat on first, it wouldn't be an issue. The small bubbles would be lightly sanded down when it dried and then the product would have no issues being applied. I really liked the look of the metallic. Couldn't really see the finished product.

I'll have to remember that!! Thanks for the tip!!

I used a hand sander, if you have a large area, might be worth renting a floor sander. Either way where a respirator!! I bought by the stuff pretty cheap. I just want to move on. Cheers!! 👍🍻

They went all the way to the floor unfortunately 😏

There is a store called rural king. They had them on closeout, so not sure they have any more.

I guess, I know I let the floor dry for a long while.. 5 days if I remember correctly. I'm over it now.. Glad you had success though! 👍🍻

In his video he said he was sweating alot if that drips on the floor it will cause a bubble

Yeah me too! Live, learn, and share the experience!! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Thanks for that!

Yeah I should have known better.. should have just tiled it all..lol NOT. Cheers Larry!🍻👍

No have not had any other bubbles or peeling.

Yeah I really think that would have been the ticket!! What primer do you use on wood? I'm doing the bar too with the copper pot epoxy.

I use the same epoxy to seal the surface as the top coat. Just use enough to wet the surface and seal the pores then do the final coat on top. If the sealer coat is very smooth do a quick scratch with a higher grit sandpaper so the mechanical bond is there. Cheers!

@@firejohnnym thanks for the tip!! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Thank you for all the awesome videos! Been brewing since 1995 and still learning.

Nice!! Mine is doing pretty well I need to recoat it after all the build stuff and then clear coat it. 👍Q

I think there are a lot of variables that effect coverage. porosity of the concrete, moisture levels, and some other things I am not mentioning. I have racked my brain and if I were to do it again. I would probably not follow the directions on the box and plan on 2 coats. First one to seal the concrete and make a "base" for the second coat. not really worrying about coverage, only enough coverage to make sure the concrete is sealed. I think this would prevent some of the bubbles and make a more consistent finish. I would probably not use a drill to stir either as I think it whipped air into the epoxy, possible contributing to the bubbles as well. lol as you can see I thought a lot about what went wrong!!

There is a tool you can use to raise the drywall during installation. It's like a foot wedge..you step on the back and it pivots to raise the drywall. amzn.to/3u3pC4I that. It also has a rasp and bottle opener!! Lol

Glad they were helpful.

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers we still ain't sure what happened, I followed all instructions word for word. About 200sqft is cured with 700sqft remains tacky and leaving fingerprints. I will probably be removed all I can with paint stripper and recoating...

@@LanceSheppard ugh...that doesn't sound like fun.

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers I would make a video but I'll probably be banned from YT permanently 😂

@@LanceSheppard lol

It's working fine.

I painted mine (4 coats) with this in November 2022. Looks great and handles spills well.

Well .... I called them and asked and they told me I didn't need any. I think it would have helped.. but following what they told me.. see what I got...

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers may have got some bad advice , most epoxy coatings need a primer down first. And usually best to finish with a tough clear coating as well, this can come in the form of a clear epoxy or a water based coating. heres a link to the product on Aussie site ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-liH3KP2NBNM.html

I am aware of this technique with epoxy. Unfortunately I could not reach most of the bubbles, and they kept coming back even after popped.

Thanks for that info!! Hopefully it will help someone looking at this product! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers absolutely I feel like there is many better epoxy products out there but I would have loved to known some tips and tricks that work before I had to do some redus I honestly feel like Rust-Oleum needs to revamp their instructions because I have read more sales of this product then success stories

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers the thing I did figure out through my failed projects is I called Rust-Oleum and they informed me about their satisfaction guarantee and I was very skeptical but they did refund the product that didn't turn out right takes a little longer than it should to get your check but all in all they did spend buy it

You my good sir are a godsend for anyone who wants to give this a shot now. Your the first person all day that seems to have cracked the code. Now that I've heard of someone who has had multiple success with it and not just saying it came out just okay, I MIGHT give it a go. Im still a little concerned with how much prep will be involved though. Do you think etching will be enough or do I really need to grind? Thanks!

linop412 how did your floors turn out?

Glad it did. I think more than anything that is missing is that the concrete needs to be sealed in some way BEFORE putting the epoxy down. Most of the high end kits if found seal the concrete first and that step helps prevent the air bubbles and slows the absorption rate. 👍🍻

Buy Epoxy-coat.com it works great. I did mine with it. I did primer, color coat, clear and a polyurethane top UV coat. It has been awesome, no hot tire pick up or anything similar. Easy to do to with a six foot paint roller.

I followed the Rust-Oleum directions. They are incomplete obviously. ,

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers very incomplete

I know!! You would probably even need a shower afterwards!! Lol 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers When you have suffered this level of trauma, it's sponge baths.

@@beeroquoisnation lol!!!

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers The production values on this video were very appropriate. I am going to expect more sensory stimulation on the next beer video though. Beer is a religious experience. After the Short Circuited Brewing beer drought, the return from hiatus needs to be award winning.

Get David Heath to narrate, the filming of the Elusive Short Circuited Brewery beer production video. LOL Cheers Brian. The brewery looks awesome Bud.

The final finish? Not slick at all I think because it is a flat finish. The Rocksolid was very slick. Even with the additive! 👍🍻

Copper pot I think?

10-4 on the beer! Yeah I am. Debating on the clear.. I do like the flat finish too. Cheers! 🍻👍

Yeah I think they should recommend sealing the floor bit they don't. 😔

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers sealing is definitely not what you want to do, because it prevents the polycuramine from bonding with the concrete. The proper step is to use as little water as you can during the cleaning process (obviously relative, because you've gotta use water. You just don't wanna continuously flood your floor 6-8 times even after it's already been rinsed plenty), squeegee/wet vac all the water out, and then let the concrete dry for much longer than you think it should take. Like 3-5 days. Even better if you can keep it nice and warm (75 degrees or higher) to drive out moisture, and then do a moisture test before you apply the coating. You can use a fancy concrete moisture tester, or like the guy mentioned above, you can take a small square of clear plastic, tape all edges to the concrete floor with a good sealing tape (duct tape or similar), and then let it sit overnight. When you come back, if you see condensation on the inside of the plastic, the concrete still isn't dry enough. Continue drying the slab and checking moisture until you get a plastic square with no condensation, and then apply the coating. Obviously that's far more complicated than rustoleum insinuates on the box, and that isn't 100% necessary to get good results, but it's pretty simple (just time consuming) to do, and will absolutely be worth it. Even if your pad was dry enough to not cause bubbles, letting your pad dry even more will still result in a better application that will last longer and resist chipping/delamination more.

Actually I did. The plastic taped down method. No moisture..this main failure issue sealer. Rust-Oleum does not mention it nor recommend it..had I applied a sealer it probably would have been successful. 👍🍻

Thanks for the tip!!

You are 100% correct... I wish I would have known going in! 😔

To avoid bubbles u need a flame torch wear some spike needle cleats and torch before it drys. Or another option is put that bag with the 2 parts in a bucket before bursting the bag with medium hot water. The bubbles are the gases trying to escape its normal in the epoxy world. There are several ways to handle this That's a Pro Tip. #ThisIsExoticPouring.

I think your assessment is 100% correct!

What primer do you suggest?

Yeah... And here I thought I would be "THE ONE!!" LOL not!

This isn't a water based epoxy. It's not an epoxy at all. It's polycuramine. Which, to be fair, is significantly stronger than epoxy. It's just harder to apply than epoxy also.

If the instructions had indicated I needed to prime I would have. HOWEVER, the instructions explicitly said that the recommended primer was NOT for bare concrete. Also talking directly to tech support prior to installing they said nothing about it either.. Oh well.. Live and learn! 👍🍻

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers ah that sucks man. I just did my garage and the primer worked great. It's hard to find and newer than the instructions. Sorry yours turned out like that. Here is a link to the primer: www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-2-qt-Garage-and-Concrete-Interior-Floor-Primer-2-Pack-306196/300483387?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD24%7CMulti%7CNA%7CPLA%7CAll_Paint_Smart|71700000048001153|58700004793621602|92700041080546080&gclsrc=aw.ds&

Note this primer stinks really badly if you decide a redo.

@@pidtom noted!! Lol

I agree!!

Yeah the instructions didn't tell you to and I called Rust-Oleum directly and asked a ton of questions.

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers there are tons of videos on here. I just did my 3 car garage and followed all the hints on these videos and it came out great! Sorry yours didn’t..

@@JS-go1xr yeah live and learn! 👍🍻

Yeah. I'm retrospect. Al they really need is the addition of a concrete sealer and I "think" That would actually make the product work as intended.. I might be wrong but every other "prosumer" Product out there has a sealer for the concrete under the epoxy so it doesn't soak in and prevents bubbles from coming up. Who knows.. I know I don't recommend it as is!! 👍🍻

When you follow the directions to the letter and even call them to confirm the process? I don't think so. I fully believe they should recommend sealing the concrete first and then apply the product as most professional grade manufacturers do. But they recommended against that in the instructions.

I here ya..

Lol good advice!

Lots of work, and now you get to do it again, I feel for you. At least you're humble about it and you should feel good that hopefully people learn by this lesson. Love your channel

Thanks!! Yeah that's why I share the good and the bad.. Hopefully it will help someone! Cheers! 👍🍻

I can't find a place to buy the p-40 online.

Sheesh..

Yeah.. I feel pretty stupid.. The one video I mention that had "success" made me feel like if I did the right things I'd be good.. Lol yeah right. There are a few things missing from the instructions. After many comments and messages I think if I had put a sealer down and sealed the concrete off it would have worked. Does Rustoleum mention it?? Heck no.. Oh well lesson learned! 👍🍻

Short Circuited Brewers Don’t feel stupid. I’ve read dozens of bad reviews and for some odd reason I keep searching and searching for a good one? Probably cause I just like the way it looks so much, but like you I want to think if I do it better it will come out fine.

@@DaCake2 lol I went through the same thing!! Lol one of my viewers recommend a different product from another company, I'll see. If I can find it.. They sell sell whole kits with all the equipment needed as well.

Funny thing is I did EXACTLY what the directions said as well as called Rustoleum to confirn what to do.. Not a single mention of a sealer.. Or anything etching other than the citric acid

@@ShortCircuitedBrewers from technical point, etching is the best way for concrete to generate hydroxyl group on it, which will then form hydrogen bond with the hydrophilic group on the modified epoxy polymers, which greatly enhance the epoxy film adhesion to concrete. but remember to apply the etching product and wait for a few days drying before apply the two part epoxy. moisture in the concrete may induce blisters and peel-off later

@@asroma5216 yeah I wish I had known that to begin with😔

I agree after learning the hard way.. Cheaper is not better!