Not going to lie, this version of batman has the most character. He actually researches his victims problems, knows how damaged they are, and just lets em break down for a bit.
She thought she hated Batman, so shot every mirror with him in it, then sees herself in that last mirror and realizes she really hated herself. Heart wrenching. Batman always knew their truths and empathized.
this don't cut like a knife it lops off arms like a chainsaw. This scene is so effing deep i actually cried a little. When you put it into perspective of real life. This is the stuff that tears families apart that leave the kids to cope on their own. That's a chainsaw lop not a cut.
@@dansmith1661 robbed denied in this context they mean the same thing. In hockey you can deny the goal or rob the shooter of a goal. Works in the context but thank you for attempting to sound smart. Her Adulthood was "stolen" away from her. Robbed from her. And even you have it wrong Denied of an adult hood. Not denied AN adulthood. that's not proper sentence forming. Watch how you pick on others you may seem like the dumb one after.
This version of batman cared about his villians because most of them were actually people with real problems not just violent thugs with no purpose out causing problems
Growing up, I never understood why many loved Batman when he had no actual superpowers. But now as an adult, i sympathize with him when it comes to the villains he captures. He takes his time to truly do extensive background searches of their history and back stories. He doesnt truly see them as villains, but as people who lost something important to themselves and took it out on the world. Damaged souls. Its darker when you understand as an adult. Much respect.
This particular episode and the episode where Penguin is released from prison were both my most favorites. They show a lot about just how tilted the game is against these damaged souls, and even batman recognizes it.
that's the thing though. they've let their damaged souls cause damage to other souls. it's one thing to think about bad stuff. it's another to actually do it. people who actually do it, are bad people. they've given up their free trial of life. redeemable people are ones who can grow from their setbacks and become better people from it. and if they do crimes that don't hurt people, they have to do more to redeem themselves, by doing good things for the world. but yeah, once you permanently effect someone else, that's it. and anyone who lets someone like that continue while they have the power to stop them and prevent more innocence being hurt, are almost just as bad.
@@tayzk5929 ah, okay so the rapist isn't bad. The truth is the opposite. Good and Bad is objective, our feelings are what's subjective. We become desensitized to some evils, and emotionally hyper-reactive to things that aren't. Is good and evil a product of social conditioning, or does social conditioning help make it so we can't tell the difference? Becoming nihilistic as you age, burnt by the evil of the world doesn't mean you 'grew up', you just let yourself get caught up in the feelings of pain, hopelessness, apathy.
This is very applicable considering our modern problem with delusional people demanding that society cater and validate their delusions about their identity. Batman was stern and forced them to accept reality.
@@randalthor6872 if that's the message you got from this I suggest you spend a little extra time trying to understand Batman's empathy. And the fact he literally creates a new identity for himself that a huge part of his story line is struggling to get people to understand and accept. 👍
@@AllanaRace yes, but reinforcing delusional ideation is not healthy :) When someone insists they are Elvis, you have to help them realize they are not Elvis :) Cheers!
@@randalthor6872 except that's not what your referring to. Again, Batman makes himself an identity which he acts under, and in order to enjoy the series you have to have accepted that new identity. Like Batman is not the series to be trying to spread this message with, no superhero media is going to be because inevitably it's a story about becoming a new person and formulating a new identity. Your media analysis is just really poor in this circumstance.
This is the reason I will always appreciate this version of batman he's not a gritty grimdark edge lord, he's a damaged person who wants nothing more than to help those in distress even if it is his own enemy. Edit cause I keep getting asked; this is from "Batman: The Animated Series"
It’s also the reason Batman:Beyond’s Bruce Wayne was so grumpy and cynical. All those years of helping, the kindness, the compassion. It didn’t mean squat in the end. He lost himself in the fight, in being the Caped Crusader for so long he didn’t see a point to it anymore. Time, fatigue and an ever-revolving rogues gallery wore him down. Until Terry showed up and reminded him of what it means to be Batman.
@@nicksloan960 yeah, because simply beating up villains is the only answer, you can't try to help them ever. Batman may have got old and grumpy, but he never stopped caring about everyone who lives in Gotham. Including the bad guys.
This is the version of Batman I like. This Batman has a reason for leaving the Joker alive. Let him do all the horrible things to the bat family, etcetera. Because up until Joker's death, Batman believed he could be rehabilitated, and he felt the same way for all his villains.
Bro, it’s like that one girl that was on that one show where she couldn’t grow up anymore, but she was a 23 I think year-old woman and she look like an 11-year-old girl which is very funny
I have always hated myself. I was born with a condition where physical activity makes me tired and sick. I could not become a real man and work in the trades or have a military career because of it. @Guy_In_Gray
You never see this level of emotion in shows or movies anymore. The fact that she paused and started crying just before shooting her reflection speaks volumes.
Anime would have ever explain her feeling for 15m, as for western, they prefer to make ugly stupid and comedy. Thanks they are few on in both part of the world breaking these stereotype like Arcane and Dofus Lilith
abang adik and le regne animal are great if you want to watch movies with lots of emotions these kinds of films still exist! you just have to look for them i personally check out cinema showtimes on google every now and then to see what's showing found a lot of interesting stuff this way
Plenty movies and shows have this level of emotion. There have always been just as many bad movies and shows as there are nowadays, you just don’t remember them because they weren’t memorable. You REMEMBER all the good ones, so your memories of the past are coloured better. (Okay I’ll admit the corruption and money-hunger in the industry may get in the way of quality these days more than it used to, but I’d say the effect is not as pronounced as you think)
When he comforts babydoll and the little girl on the swing set I cry EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. They both want a life that’s their own and that was stolen from them. I love Batman cause he understands that completely.
Seeing her turn to her reflection and start crying before shooting it is so deep, like she’s seeing what she should have been and shooting it was her way of accepting that will never be the case.
Nah Kevin is Batman. He played the character perfectly. He understood the character. Bale was a good Bruce Wayne but a horrible Batman imo. Nobody could play Batman better than Kevin.
This lady, Ace (the girl on the swing), Mr. Freeze...and even Harley trying to go straight and constantly messing up. This version of Batman genuinely cared.
The best version of batman ever was this one. He was perfectly portrayed as what he was supposed to be a hero made to help people so no one had to go through what he did.
Absolutely. I think it is a shame that recently they either go with edgy dark batman. ...or he gets thrown in along with Superman and any semblance of consistency or realism is throw into the wind as he somehow manages to be useful fighting alongside a guy who can fly multiple circuits around the sun faster than he could plausibly drive out of the bat-cave. Batman works best on a low power-level, and when some brighter nuances of his character can sometimes shine through. Imo.
He’s showed remorse to the joker, in this show at least prior to what happened to Tim. Bane and penguin are the two villains who aren’t plagued by some mental illness they’re motivated by power, and greed. So it’s very different in comparison to Mr freeze who’s a victim of loss, and 2 face who’s a victim of multi personality disorder.
This is why I love this version of Batman, he’s not an emo guns blazing photo edge lord, he’s a understanding yet authoritative figure, who cares about his enemy’s
“Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations that’s a genuine Batman. If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve written Punisher with a funny hat.”
you literally cant do better than this batman, outside of comics of course. He cares for his villains, and he showed millions of kids that everyone has a story and to never judge a book by its cover. RIP Kevin
@@Dolphinboi this guy asked a genuine question and you insult him? and you question why people are sexist and racist? the reason for such things is because of people like you who never explain to others why people make the choices they do
@@bibigamer502Although her body didn't age, it still grew older and by the time she would have found out or waited too long, her body wouldn't have been able to accept the treatment due to it being past the time, if she got the treatment as soon as she was diagnosed or a few years after, it would have been fine but too many years passed.
@@bibigamer502 Age 21. I have a similar-ish issue so ik, basically when you turn 21 your body stops growing and changing. Before you turn 21 your hormones change your body and make you taller or wider through changes in your bone structure. When I was younger I wasn't given a lot of food to eat so my body didn't grow during puberty and now it won't grow anymore even when I take hormones from the doctor, they tell me I won't grow anymore, all I can do now is try to grow a beard if I'm lucky. I'm only 20 but by the time I got help from doctors was only a year ago so there's nothing anyone can do. The thing is your body needs a few years for the changes to happen, nothing substantial would happen because by the time it starts it would stop at least for me, for the character she probably is already 21 or older so it's the same, her bone structure will not change.
Some physiological explanation for growth bone-wise. When you are young, you still have cartilaginous regions in your long bones that get 'chased' by calcification. Eventually, that region loses the race and the bones have no more capacity for growth.
@@bibigamer502theres similar conditions in real life though not as extreme. They treat it using hormone replacement, but after a certain point your body can’t go through puberty anymore so the drugs wouldnt do anything.
Always think about the post saying “If you can't imagine your Batman comforting a child, you didn't make Batman, you made punisher in a funny hat” (Edited to correct the quote)
@@CoercedJab you're a social justice warrior for your side. bringing everything back to culture war whether it's related or not. not even an attempt at a segue. just launch into a slogan out of nowhere
The caring side of batman wanting to help and the way the flash tries to help and rehab his foes, definitely helps to see why barry and bruce have such a good friendship
This is exactly why I chose Batman’s side in injustice 2 because he cares about his villains even if there bad and he doesn’t want to kill them like super man
Two things, After she shoots her reflection, and begins shooting blanks, there’s one final blast from her laser gun doll thing before Batman reveals himself. She could’ve shot him, but was so lost in her grief that she didn’t. And also, she shoots her own reflection. At first she was angry with Batman for stopping her, but it’s revealed that what she really is angry about is that she never got to live a normal life. She doesn’t hate herself, she’s jealous of what she could’ve had. It’s heartbreaking.
i love this, because he isn’t just having her waste her bullets, he’s having her shatter (literally) this grown image of herself, forcing her to accept herself, or at least start to.
@@Noobie2k7That's not what he's doing at all. In fact, what she was doing before was more in line of trying to forget or deny it; she was trying to recreate the time when her small body was useful or somewhat enjoyable aka denying the reality that she's an adult and the show was just that: A show. Batman's interference forced her back into reality. He didn't allow her to live out this fake fantasy because it would've just hurt herself and other people. Even though it's painful, she has to acknowledge that she'll likely be stuck as a child, in order to figure out how to progress from there into the future, rather than linger in the past.
Bruce wants to believe his parents are alive just like she wants to believe she looks like an adult but in the end, both of them are always told otherwise. No matter what they do, they end up in the same dark place.
@@davidjob4909 Why would it not concern innocent people and animals? And it is sad to already label people as evil and good even if they murder steal etc. The Joker has moments of compassion and even doing something good sometimes. He is the Joker he is chaotic.
I am so glad i grew up with THIS version of batman. The entire DC universe back then had some real deep stuff that even 30 and 40 years later is resonating with people.
That's what made this feel like true Batman. It wasn't just his no kill rule, but he chose to be different than the criminals by showing care. I still kinda tear up seeing this.
She is by far one of the villains I have the most sympathy for. I grew up with people who believed learning disabled were permanently children. When I showed maturity and acted like I was older than I was. The truth was I felt like Baby Doll, I hated being around other learning disabled because I felt like I would always be seen as a defective person. She did too it was the mentality of that time.
im only on the autistic spectrum (i dont know if that counts as a learning disablility or not) and as a child i was less able in some parts of my life. but this assumption that im permanently a child is just present in everyone around me and this clip really got me too.
@@Dw-rs9ed as someone with a younger sibling who’s also on the spectrum, it is definitely a learning disability. It sucks that ppl treat you like you’re more juvenile or lesser bc of it 🫂 thx for sharing ur experience bc I think I need to reflect on how I treat my sibling too
@mccat5 I'm glad I made you realise that. I think there should be more education around this topic. Also I have it easier compared to others out there, people often assume that because somebody is in a wheelchair they are intellectually incompetent or can't do anything for themselves when it depends on each person and their condition. This isn't just an issue to do with neurodivergency but how so called "normal" people assume things.
@mccat5 It's definitely not a learning disability. BUT, a majority of those with ASD(especially high needs) also have an additional neurodevelopmental disorder like communication or learning disabilities that make their autism "look worse". The range of intelligence for autistics is about the same as for the "normal" population. I get where you're coming from and I know it's from a supportive place, but autism is not a learning disorder and it actually hurts those you support by equating the two. But I may be defensive as an autistic person who's special interest is researching autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, etc lol
@EducatedElephant17 yeah that's true. I guess we still go through the same shit of being treated like children a lot of the time though, especially considering the fact that there are usually learning disabilities there too
This makes me want to animate a batman for kids to look up to like we had. I want our future generations to have moments that we got to see where maturing and growing can be taught from animation. I want to make a genuine batman.
Obviously his not gonna kill a little girl , but someone like the joker cmon after the 10th time his broken out of Arkham I think something needs to be done
"Heroes save people, and who could possibly need saving more than those so lost in the dark they have given up hope of ever seeing the light again" -Aaron Haynes
This was back when X-Men 97 and Batman were cartoons that were made for kids without agendas (Gen Z's cartoons are full of DEI and pandering agendas, shame)
@@jgblkshot8375 it literally has everything to do with politics. If something is made as a brainwashing tool, they are hardly concerned with good plot are they? You clearly havent compared anything and dont know what ur talking about.
@@teecakesso your saying Adventure time , og Ben 10 , Samurai jack , og Teen Titans and Regular show are bad shows since they were made in gen Z . Gen Alpha is the generation with bad cartoons
What an adult way to cry to show the grown-up inside the child. She didn’t make noise or throw her arm around because that's what kids do to signal for help. But she is an adult now, no longer playing pretend she know no one's helping her. So she doesn't cry for help like kids do, but because it's the only thing she can do, like adults does.
This is why I love Batman. He shows sympathy for his enemies and comforts them. He wants to help because he knows how being broken feels. He treats them like humans because they are.
Right after the wholesome situation,We see batman yeeting the shi out of a disabled homeless man for picking up a dollar he randomly found on the ground
This was the "cartoon" show that showed me how powerful cartoons or anime could be... I disliked DC a great deal, but this show made Batman feel more "real" than most contrived and empty be the media was selling. The first show that showed how moving an anime could be.
I think moments like this in a variety of Batman shows is why I'm under the impression of "superheroes job is to protect, by this logic they don't just protect civilians, but their villains too".
This Batman never brutalized his villains. He forced them to confront themselves. Arkham wasn’t a prison it was a rehabilitation center. This Batman is a medical and psychological caretaker who goes above and below the law to do what no one else has the desire or compassion to do. This is the Batman I want back.
This perfectly displays why I love batman and why he is such a good character. He’s broken, so he understands why the villains he fights do the crimes they do. He doesn’t want to hurt them or hunt them, he wants to help and even save them. He will find any possible way to ensure everyone’s life is kept safe. He hates the crime, not the people doing the crime. Batman displays attributes that we should all imitate, don’t hate. Heroes don’t hate, which is why batman is one of the greatest heroes of all time.
@@terminallove3531 said the average doctors. And that would be true for average modern medicine, children with growth problems have to take hormones to grow normal at the age of puberty. She never tried reaching out to anyone with magic powers or mad science. Freeze and Ivy are scientists that turned themselves into an ice cube and a plant, pretty sure they can make someone grow taller. Even Bane could alter some of the steroids he uses to fix her. In the real world we could give her plastic surgery and breast implants. We have a surgery to forcibly make arms and legs longer. Batman being a billionaire could afford any of this and not blink. That would cost like 2 car upgrades for him.
@@ZebraLuv The treatment would have only worked while her body was still in the development stage. It basically would have let her body grow the way it's supposed to, so the older she got the less effective it would be. Till it couldn't do anything at all as her body has fully developed
It was an amazing series and after rewatching it recently I have to say it honestly still holds up. A few of the references are a bit dated and might not work well for gen z or alpha, but overall it's message and form is still solidly relevant.
This series reminds me just how different Batman was from other heroes; he was human and understood so much. The care he gives at the end is heartbreaking.
This show will stand the test of time as a completely thought out, full-written and well-rounded Batman. He was all brawns with his fighting, never needing to rely solely on his gadgets to get him out of a tight pinch. He was his own scientist and engineer, and he was the most sympathetic towards all the villains compared to any other sidekick or friend he had. Batman the Animated Series wasn't just a show, it is a legacy. RIP Kevin Conroy.
True Batman - Care about villains, trying understand them and help them Batman we know - beats almost every villain to 1hp and give them brain injurres
This will always break me and i have no idea why seeing baby doll like this is really heartbreaking and gut wrenching it tugs on my heart strings. It hurts 😢
For Batman, some of his villains weren’t villains, they were troubled souls, Batman only does what he has to, he does care One and only edit: thanks for the likes, now and those to come
