Polar Bear I haven't read anything on it so it's not like I know much about it but did the mercenaries really run across open ground like that? I mean, it seems kinda dumb to run into a wall of bullets.
Hepatitis Yeah, I mean they knew the Irish werent well equipped. If they charged in at all sides they could make it and overrun the Irish but they were too well dug in for it to work so yeah. Human wave tactics would work since they dont really have the firepower to deal with it
@@stevenwan9561 iridium was implying specifically to the Chinese and Chinese only, comparison to other nations is very unnecessary. Neither was it racist, I do not find it racist at all.
@@joetrump2983 Looking from the battle between ROC n PRC historical account in China heartland, most KMT soldiers are either runaway or desserter to Mao camp. Mao does not have a standing army to fight against IJA
To understand why the Chiang Kai Shek lost to Mao Zedong could be due to that. When Mao send 5 Armies, they all go as ordered, meanwhile when Chiang send 5 armies, 2 of them will lie that they send their armies to the battlefield, 2 will wait and see whose side is going to win before moving, and only 1 will really go to their battlefield.
Not only that. All the supplies and weaponaries sent by the Nationalist government to their armies mostly didn't make to their troops. Either it was being kept by their corrupt commanders or smuggled out by their own very troops to be sold in black market in order to buy food for their family. And all these goods that were being sold in black market ironically landed in Communists' hands. Incompetence and corruption. That's how the KMT lost the war.
@@theavgeek7473 It's not true, the PLA also fought, but they led a guerilla campaign because they were too weak to tackle the IJA head on. The war weakened the Nationalist Army severely, but they were still more numerous and better equipped than the PLA when the civil war began.
I love how the Nationalists have American equipment like the M1 Thompson and the Communists have Soviet equipment. A grim foreshadowing of the decades to come.
It was not necessarily a foreshadowing. The PLA were already receiving equipment from the Soviets and scavenged Japanese equipment left in Manchuria to aid their effort in the civil war. The Nationalists also had access to American equipment as Americans lend leased ROC during WWII, and many of those stockpiles were left for the Nationalists to use against the Communists. Both Soviet Union and USA had interests on creating spheres of influence over China before WWII ended.
Chiang Kai-shek used to visit the USSR and Russians helped nationalist as much as they could from the beginning since they thought that Chinese communists are weak, since China didn't have strong worker class, only millions of peasants, the only thing which was asked from nationalists are tolerance towards the communists. Before Chiang Kai-shek has ordered communist massacre on Shanghai the communists and nationalist even had offices in the same buildings. And after the massacre communists were utterly destroyed. Only thanks to the atrocities of the nationalists towards to common folk of China, communists gained foothold, and overpowered them.
@@bydloshkolnik Wait, i thought that ROC and USSR hate each other even before WW III. That's why Roosevelt and Churchill even separated their Allies meeting with them. They meet Stalin in Tehran, and then meet Chiang Kai Shek in Cairo.
Fun fact: much like steel helmets, the clone trooper armor’s primary purpose was to protect from shrapnel and explosions, which is why their armor looks useless against direct blaster fire
@@rometotalsam Not really. The clone troopers' and stormtroopers' armor was made of plastoid. It was meant to make the wielder completely shielded against chemical weapons. It was also protective against ballistic weapons, such as bullets and shrapnel. But the main purpose was to create a lightweight armor with chemical protection, a heads-up display, and air-filtered masks with built-in oxygen tanks, making the soldiers capable of fighting in almost any environmental condition on any planet for ease of mass-producing standardized uniforms that work anywhere.
Mike Carone Nah,the CCP would love for people to know about how they crushed the KMT army who have more troops and better weapons at the time. (the CCP‘s victory was almost a miracle considering how much larger and better equipped the KMT army was at the beginning of the war)But the things is that its a civil war and Chinese people aren‘t proud of our history fighting each other.
@@akriegguardsman5238 have u ever watch tge wandering earth or ne zha ,if china want they can make movie with full cgi. But war movie is better with less cgi
@@akriegguardsman5238 5-10 years ago china cgi yes its sucks ,even now still have small issues its still good progress and i dont see much negative comment about wandering earth cgi
"We have to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops" - Every ancient Chinese general. "We have to mobilize 5 million troops" - Every Chinese general in WW2.
Fun fact: in 200 bc china was able to field a million soldiers to fight wars, albeit in a short space because yes, it is possible to make it standing army but no, they're not gonna drain their money
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 The main difference is some dynasties could field 1 force of that size, but in the 20th century onward fielding divisions of 75k-150k was just routine. Its really amazing what our ancient ancestors were capable of from an organization standpoint. And also amazing what modern armies in the 20th centuries could do without computers.
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 i know a battle between Qin, or Chin, who have firstly united China, and another state, Zhao, both sides mobilized more than 400k soldiers and logistic people. in the decisive battle Zhao failed, the captured soldiers were all killed, only about a hundred of them were released because they are less than 16. with 400k people killed almost no young man in that state survived
Well, from a Western perspective and if we see what is currently happening in the Ukraine, there has been a downgrade on the capacity of mobilizing great masses of people for war. Long story short, the Russian army does not even have 0,5 million people allocated in that war now. And the Ukrainian army even less.
@@42069TV the communists absolutely fought the japanese, you couldn't step outside to pee as a japanese soldier in northern china without taking a bullet to the head. the nationalists were throwing numbers at the japanese, who would easily just mow them down... the communists played it smart and struck at japanese supply lines. the communists were so effective in northern china that the japanese resorted to literal genocide (the three all's policy) to try and weed them out, and even then they didn't. i don't even like communist china and i can acknowledge that they fought the japanese extremely smart.
ROC and PRC: **Destroying each other** The warlords: You know what? Let's get involved and take sides in that. What could go wrong? **Two wars later** The warlords: THIS WAS A MISTAKE!
MAO negotiated a peace treaty with Chiang kai-shek in Nanjing, but Chiang did not accept the peace terms. China must be unified, so it has to fight again until the winner is decided.
@@川建國愛拜振華 The ROC has evolved beyond what it was under Chiang. Chiang was a despot, just like Mao. It's against the CCP's current wishes for their supporters to even be free here on the internet. You'd best make yourself scarce.
The real tragedy is the KMT members who were left behind after 1949, those who did not flee to Taiwan with Chiang Kai Shek. Some of them were jailed for decades and had to divorce their wives. It happened to a distant relative of mine (I had never met him but he's somewhere in the family tree). He was a KMT general who was captured and jailed after their defeat, he had to divorce his wife to save his wife and children from persecution. Eventually they were reunited, but he was already very old...
@@dingleberry4234 They were ordered to stay in Burma and Thailand to assist KMT when KMT fight back to mainland china from Taiwan, but it never happen at the end. Those soilder and their offspring still staying in Thailand till now as stateless people. sigh.
I like how both sides use equipment from USA and USSR and other countries. Even the Belgian pistol the commander uses is an amazing touch. Attention to detail like this is what makes films great.
For the Kuomintang the weapons fit very well. The Communists however used mostly soviet stuff irl. But in this movie they got exactly the same guns as the other side like Kar98, Thompsons, Sten Guns and Shermans.
During the second Chinese Civil some KMT defected to the Communist, also if the Communist force were to capture the KMT force any of their capture weapon will be used.
Commander: contact the 108th division and ask them where they are now. Soldier: commander... the 108th division has joined the communists. Commander: 💀💀💀
Fun fact: The Chinese Civil War is still going 'till this day. There was no armistice nor peace treaty. The ROC is quite undefended. The United States of America could withdraw any second. I wouldn't expect such hope within retaking the mainland. It's basically a 3:1 ratio. (This is an edit to a past comment.) Another edit: Toward Tree Fiddy. Such a wise statement. But also quite controversial. We don't know what future ideologies would be present within the distant future, or whether we'll go into old Ideology beliefs. So, the ROC and the USA would experience severe retaliation if the mainland was invaded once more.
True, the war is still going. Taiwan (Republic of China) is still the last place left for both the Chinese Nationalist & former mainlander refugees. Still protected by the US. I wonder how long it would last?
They won in central China and south at beginning of the war. But when the KMT lost the most critical battles in Manchuria, the industrial and mining centre of China, it is only a matter of time for a communist victory. KMT losing Manchuria was actually pretty reasonable, as the people there have been under Japanese oppression for decades. People wanted something radical rather than a republic. You can argue that communist China is bad and all, but the fact was that North eastern China was almost all for the communist. And that is the ultimate downfall.
Communists agree to attack the japanese together with nationalist but only lips service. They wait until nationalist lost so many manpower and equipment against the superior japan imperial army.
Wait so your saying it’s a distraction so I’m Japanese war nationals fight them to use a lot of supplies and at the end they had flag of their supplies gone and since this happened it was easy for communist to take over?
Both the KMT and CCP had educated on both sides, although later the CCP's educated would end up getting killed by said CCP. The majority of the Educated went towards the KMT and ended up fleeing to Taiwan however the Communists actually had tactically superior Military leaders and much less corrupt leadership in general, that's why the Communists won.
@@taiwandxt6493 yes, also the fact that the ccp were hiding off in the mountains when the japanese invaded, then beat the battered kmt i quote from Mao Zedong: “(Japan) doesn’t have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d’état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!”
i didnt have high expectations but i must say this is actually a good (and much more accurate) portrayal of the PLA and how they fought. their tactics were often seen as rudimentary but they absolutely were not. one has to consider that during this point the PLA was still mostly a guerrilla army. they had more heavy equipment than they had in years prior but still not a lot, and their organization was built for things like this. just the discipline required to dig earthworks like that means that the army must be well drilled and heavily motivated. the frontal attacks are the same, especially given as they were designed to break down into close quarters combat. staying cohesive in that sort of chaos takes iron discipline. chinese infantry was so good at infiltration. did the same thing to the US army and marines in korea. the casualities will be high but the chinese army can take them if they have to.
@@Noacuracy just like any other democratic ruled nation, the rich gets richer the poor gets poorer. The communist party rode on the poor and won it all.
In Mainland China, popular opinion of the nationalist soldiers during WW2 is positive. People don’t actually hate nationalist soldiers and there are countless pop culture tv shows in the Mainland praising the nationalist narratives.
I guess no Chinese have bad feelings for nationalist soldiers since they are the major force to fight against the Japanese, but it is not the case for the nationalist party.
@@moe3213 No? China would've been industrialized years before they did in our timeline, and would've been much more prosperous. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact when you take into account Mao's disastrous policies.
@@xanshen9011 not entirely true. Chinas culture and morals (before maos “cultural revolution”) had standards and deep morality about those kind of things, and I doubt politicians would’ve attempted imperialism like the CCP does today. You also have to take into account that the KMT planned to implement democracy as they did in Taiwan. (Which would create for a far more peaceful society and government) They would compete against the west, but there wouldn’t be threats of nuclear war or any of this insanity we see today. They’d just be a bigger, stronger Japan.
@@nahtatroll Which is still a threat. You dont have to be a military powerhouse to challenge western hegemony. Theres this thing called soft power which honestly works better at subverting and destroying rivals than outright conquest/hard power. Japan was an economic threat and Korea is a cultural threat with the rise of kpop.
@@willthorson4543 it doesn't have to be accurate. It only needs to represent what it was like during the civil war . The film never claimed to be based on true story, it was just inspired by true events. If you want accuracy there's documentaries for that.
Another factor that resulted in the loss of the Civil War for the KMT (it wasn’t a huge factor but it should be said) That was Japan’s Operation Ichi-go their largest offensive in all of WW2 pretty much drained the Nationalist army of their best divisions. And when I say best divisions I mean THE BEST German trained Cream of the crop with the best equipment in their whole army but of course it was Japans largest offensive so it drained them of all the experience so it didn’t help when the civil war kicked back up.
ur clueless at the start of civil war KMT had 2.7mill troops vs 1.1 mill CCP and they got absolutely destroy u know why? cuz More than 80% flip to the other side IDIOT aka it means KMT solder dont believe in the BULLShit KMT was selling and join the REAL DEAL CCP LOSER get a clue
Fun fact: Taiwan is more Chinese than the mainland. The CCP destroyed their Chinese heritage through the Moa purges and reeducation. If you want to see what real Chinese culture is like it's found in Taiwan.
I think the best part was the beginning because he knows that it’s hopeless so he doesn’t want his men to die for nothing. At this point it’s death for the sake of the death
Besides from the oil barrel mortars and potato sacks obliterating buildings and making trucks fly, I’d say this is a pretty good movie that I’d watch if I knew the name.
The oil barrel mortars are actually base on historical background. The people's liberation army crated them because they lack heavy weapons and they worked most of the time for infantry target.
@@theoheinrich529 They are real, worked on enemy infantry targets and it is an headache for the Nationalist army who refer to it as 没良心炮, mortars without conscientious. People's Liberation Army lacked heavy artillery at the time and use it as a substitute for real mortars.
@@theoheinrich529 Barrel bombs and "Hell canons" have been used to deadly effect in Syria if you want a recent example. They're both improvised artillery made from gas canisters and barrels
I mean I think the soldiers we're fighting because they believed they we're on the right side to make their countries a better place, the sentence "Young men who don't know each other and don't hate each other are killing each other for fat old men who know each other and hate each other don't kill each other" wouldn't apply better
The men who died on both sides loved, dearly loved their families and only wished to return home. May China never again experience such pain. This was horrible anguish. Please RIP Chinese patriots.
@@tadc345fan Get out of here commie . ROCCCCCCCCCC Nationalistsssssss Capitalist CHina . L COMMIE China lol they arent even commie now cause they know they cant keep a country running with it , they are authoritarian capitalist
Basic mistake. there was no such thing called "the people's republic of China" until October 1949. The Republic of China was considered eliminated since then (except the remaining resistance fled to Taiwan). So the title should not be "War between ROC & PRC", rather "war between CCP&KMT"
I just why... We’re all Chinese... We’re all brothers... Why does this have to happen Edit:Looking at this comment after a year, this comment is shit, the world revolves around power not race, lower classes, middle classes we are the same ‘race’, the leaders and dictators, they are the same ‘race’
The Chinese Nationalist Army was just like today's Afghanistan government army, corrupt and chaotic, though much stronger, braver and better equipped. My 2nd favorite movie of John Woo, after the Red Cliff.
@@mrjam5036 They came out of the second world war far better equipped than the communists. The KMT literally had no popular support from the Chinese populace at the time. Poor Chinese peasants werent going to risk their necks for the KMT and welcomed the communists. They were corrupt and their supplies KMT generals received would be sold to the communist forces. They had every opportunity to win the civil war and lost because of their corrupt fascist government. Chiang Kai Shek's own diary shows he puts 100% of the blame on corruption within the government.
@@mrjam5036It means nothing but KMT was so dumb, cuz KMT initiated the war not the CCP, originally Mao was trying to establish a united government, and Chiang was too confident lol
what a shame they lost. main land china today could have been what Taiwan is now. instead you had the mass campaigns, the great leap back and the cultural regression. and even today main land Chinese reduced to soulless materialism even the last decades movement to the right direction stopped after Jinping policies of the last years.
If only japan had fully captured them, communists will be annihilated. Nationalists were weaken because they did all the fighting in the frontline while communists lying comfortably in their fox holes.
@@MrChow-sw5ub The Nationalists is so weaken that the troops developed from 1.9million to 4 million in those anti-japan battles. The Communists just lay in their holes and buy the weapons and cities from the Japanese. But as I know, the Nationalist lose cities until 2 days before the day Japanese surrender. While the Communist won cities back from the japanese 1 year ago.
The ROC slowly collapsed through wavering monetary supply from the US, desertions, internal intrigues, harsh troop punishments , internal corruption and vicious treatment of the populace in disputed areas. Many Kuomintang Generals were warlords who withdrew their opportunist loyalty once the outcome appeared obvious and tried to form their own deals with the PLA. The ideology behind the Chang Kai Shek's empire was riddled with inconsistencies, corruption and brutality and only clung on because of US funding. Whole units ended up deserting to the PLA. I visited Taiwan in 1970 as a sailor onboard a visiting Frigate. It resembled a City under Siege. At 12 Noon everyday, sirens sounded, jet fighters screamed overhead. Military were everywhere. They had a poor Navy, a small flotilla of frigates, and smaller class of warship. And enough Admirals to sink a battleship. I know this because I think most of them attended the opening ceremony of a new building, the truthfully looked only half finished. This occurred next to our Frigate at the docks in Kaoshiung City. It left a lasting memory for me. I know Kaoshiung has changed radically since then and by all accounts is an attractive city to visit so if possible, I will revisit this area and the whole of Taiwan and have a good look around.
ray hughes I’m a Kaohsiung native, thanks for the snapshot description! I’m pretty sure you knew this already, but Kaohsiung is the Naval Command in Taiwan. It has always been heavy with military activity, especially in the 70s with the hostilities in Kinmen and outlying islands. If Chiang had American support after WW2 ended, I’m pretty sure he could have united China eventually, or at least not lose it all to the USSR-backed Mao.
I believe a lot of what you said are true, but I also believe General Marshall contributed to the outcome of the civil war. That leads back to the negative tension between Stilwell and Chiang from the war prior.
@@akumah the negative tensions you talk about were the subject of many an analysis. Chiang's wife was the real persuader with western diplomats, but Stilwell's frustrations at Chiang's lack of ability to get things done are a failure of the Americans to understand his Eastern approach. To the Americans, it was black and white. This led to the inevitable withdrawing of money despite Madam Chiang's abilities... I would recommend you try and get hold of a copy of "In search of history" by Theodore H White for an on the the spot journal overview of that era from an American journalist.
@@rayhughes Nice, thank you. I will definitely look into it. I have tons of history books by authors from Mainland China, Taiwan, Europe, and U.S. authors. The most recent one I read was “Chiang Kai-Shek and the Struggle for Modern China” by Jay Taylor and “Forgotten Ally” by Rana Mitter. Just about every book I've read has stated that Stilwell was very arrogant and led to many defeats in the Burma campaign.
@@rayhughes I would love to talk to you more about this if you're interested. I'm always interested in learning more about this. I was also a history major.
During Second Sino-Japanese Civil War the Nationalist Army look like German soldiers fighting the Japanese and in Chinese Civil War they look like American soldiers fighting the Red Army
No. When he joined the Nationalist Army, he lied that he was married so that his family would get more food rations as the families of married soldiers in China did at the time. It was a selfless act, not a selfish one.
Even though the alliance was uneasy, it's hard to believe that these 2 sides fought together between 1937 and 1945 against the Japanese... There is even a picture of Chiang Kai Shek and Mao from a meeting in september 1945, where they both toast with drinking glasses in their hands over the victory that the Allies achieved over Japan.
The Chinese communists and the nationalists did not fight together against the Japanese invaders, although it appears that they did. The Chinese communists, during the early part of the war, were a smaller force compared to the Nationalist army. Thus, the communists, even though they were opposed to the Japanese invasion, were not in a position to fight them head one but, relied on only laying low and slowly building strength. The Nationalists, on the other hand, were the only ones that had an organized army with artillery and such. But, no air force, a small number of tanks, and a lot of men but, not really well trained. Their best trained divisions, trained by German officers at the time, fought against the Japanese when they invaded and bombed parts of Shanghai. The Nationalist soldiers fought bravely there but were lacking in support and logistics. That foto of Mao and Chiang Kai Shek toasting their unity together was a high pressured situation created by the US, trying to get the two forces to work together. However, Chiang hated the communists and Mao was determined to convert China to communism.
Fun fact: The mortars made with oil barrels in the film is called "mei liang xin pao", or "the conscienceless cannon", these DIY weapons are made on the communist side and can fire crude explosives to up to 200 meters, but it is extremely prone to accidents.
This movie is about the last of the three decisive battles of the Chinese civil war in 1949, Huaihai Campaign, between the communists and nationalists. The nationalists lost the battle and therefore the civil war, and retreated to Taiwan.
Yes and compare Taiwan to China now. Taiwan is a first world national and also ranks top 10 most democratic. China is poor and authoritarian. The nationalists losing and retreating to Taiwan was a sad time in history.
@@sammymartinez9813 Taiwan is a first world national? Not so sure as it only has diplomatic relationships with a handful of countries and ten percent of its people living in mainland China. The nationalists were very corrupted before retreating to Taiwan.
@@sammymartinez9813 China is not poor. You have a misunderstanding. The wealth in China is centralized but if it was spread out it would be just about a 1st world nation.
@@helloworld0609 Taiwan is a 1st world nation. Search up what a 1st world nation it's to do with the income people are making and their life style. IT has NOTHING to do with diplomatic relations
I know we’d just finished wwii, but given what’s happened since then, we really should gotten involved with this war. Allied with the Nationalist forces and fought Mao.
it wasnt that simple the communists had soviet aid at this point while the nationalists had american/ allied aid but if either sode would have stepped in the other would have been forced to act as well.
A lot of the Vietcong guerilla tactics were taught by Communist Chinese military advisors. The Korean War was a testing ground for Chinese style guerilla warfare that worked effectively against the world's most powerful military and proved itself again in the Vietnam War.
at this point int he war the communist weren't using guerrila strategy anymore, the communist 1st field armies in the west were, but the armies seen here were the northern army and they were just fighting conventional warfare at this point.
This is probably one of the few war movies made without much biasness or false impressions of friend and foe. I remember the Nationalist general saying that the civil war are fought by brothers against brothers. Edit: 12:16 I started tearing at this part.
Yeah, but the nationalists were corrupt and evil back then. Public executions of civilians as a desperate measure and sheer corruption had the people turning to the communists. It was so bad I think this high ranked US soldier who witnessed the nationalists corruption recommended rather to work with the communists because the nationalists were evil and corrupt.
@@Nathan-cd3fw We may have been corrupt, but it was us who laid down our lives preventing the Japanese Invasion. We suffered 14 million casualties while mao sat in a cave right next door in Shanxi doing nothing except raiding our supply convoys meant to feed and supply my ancestors.
@@中华民国万岁-c4g Ikr that's pretty fucked in my opinion. In my opinion, the kmt soldiers were one of the best and bravest soldiers in ww2 but unfortunately, the kmt government seriously let down its people and soldiers. It is their fault that these men never got the recognition they deserved. In the end no matter how strong an army is if even the people of the country don't support them then they lose.
@@redlizerad8268 Its their fault for defending China against Japan while the CCP sat back and did almost nothing the whole war except prepare for a Civil War? My great grandfather wasn't killed by the Japanese he was killed by CCP race traitors defending the retreat to Taiwan. Complain to Xitler wumao.
jy1 ch3n that’s during the civil war, after all, the nationalists had superior military to the communists, but they had exhausted plenty of them fighting Japan in ww2, and right after the war, they had to fight the communists without time to properly recover.
jy1 ch3n Nice try, but the KMT was the only one that could hold off the Japanese .communists only harassed as attacked supply lines, they didn’t have many major head to head confrontations with the Japanese, but the KMT did they took one for the team.
I remember when I learnt about the Chinese Civil War during history lesson at school, the major reason why the Nationalists lost was because of WW2. During Japanese invasion of China during WW2, the Nationalists faced the Japanese head on in battlefield, while the Chinese Communist Army fought the Japanese using hit-run and guerrilla tactics. This cause the Nationalists to suffer huge casualties compare to the Communist. Aside from that, huge inflation and constant wars demoralised the Nationalists, and Mao is a much better tactician. Oh and of course, the atrocities committed by both sides. Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians
aside from that the communist would often use the "human wave tactic" basically they throw huge amount of bodies toward the enemy line in huge numbers, they use the same tactic during the northen Vietnam invasion too but quickly realise the flaws of that
"Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians" Source: I made it the fuck up
This all because of tactical blunders... Wrong person in charge.. Wrong management.. The battle won"t went wrong if right tactical move was made without interference from the top brass. How kuomintang was lose in this war is totally absurd..
Tactical blunders and betrayals, sure but you have to remember the KMT's position. They had to continue the war after fighting a brutal war against the Japanese immediately after WW2. They were already exhausted, morale at their lowest, and most of their experienced leadership were all gone after the Japanese invasion. the KMT took most of the brunt in the last war, that's why the CCP eventually won in the end.
Blame upon the USSR and the US for fighting against each other, During the cold war, it was a domination for ideology across the world. China and Vietnam were some nations that were affected in Asia, whilst in Europe, their ideologies were halved between Communism and Republicism.
This was one of the worst naval disaster that the 20th century had ever seen and a real heartache Chiang's government and also to the whole Republic of China. Taiping was only supposed to carry about 550 personal but during that unfateful voyage, they were forced to carry twice the weight load and including crew were over 1,500 people on board. It suffered the same fate as they crashed into something in poor lit conditions just like the HMS Titanic but the Titanic hit a iceberg while the Taiping hit another vessel. The reason why the Taiping din't turn on their lights is that they were going on a ferrying mission against a curfew and thus during their journey from Shanghai to Keelung harbour in Taiwan, they had to switch their lights off for the entire journey and met with the tragic fate off Hangzhou Bay near Zhoushan. Due to being overcrowded, 1,500 were drowned when the ship sank as it was way overpacked and no rescue could be done. It became a sad tale and also an heartache to Chiang especially as the Taiping liner was the one that he took when he fled to Taiwan. That's not all. That said ship also helped him ferry his wealth, his family, the nation's gold reserve and even bulk of his army across to Taiwan and when he heard the ship sunk, he was pretty upset and even made a memorial later on and historians even placed it as significant as the Mayflower for what the Taiping liner did, ferrying mainland Chinese fleeing the Communist into Taiwan without fail till the sinking like what the Mayflower did to the Pilgrims did when they found America.
Oh you are Chinese? Could you let me know what's happening here? I'm not so familiar with Chinese history. Aren't the both sides Chinese so why they fighting if same?
@@ekanshgupta2421 This movie is about the late Chinese civil war, shortly following the Second World War when the Chinese Nationalists and Communists turned on eachother following their partnership in WW2. After about four years of fighting, the Nationalists were forced to retreat to Taiwan (where they continued to this day as the Republic of China), and the Communists effectively won the Civil War, founding the PRC.
@@notxarbsenoj9231 I don't believe that. KMT army was vanquished by Japanese who was competely defeated by the US. And PRC pushed the US army back to N38 line from Chinese border in Korean War with fewer army than both KMT and Imperial Japan in WW2. So you can see how weak KMT army was. It didn't have power to eliminate communist even Japan had not invaded.
@@jiayili6481 You think throwing baseless statements proves your case what does the Korean War which was fought on a different fronts have to do with the Chinese civil war. The PRC had to flee KMT prior to the Sino Japanese war they had barely escaped so a couple more skirmishes and they would’ve lost. As for Korea The PRC used human wave tactics in the early years of the Korean War which they were moved down, during the end of the war they had to resort to Guerrilla warfare or be annihilated.
You might be misled by some saying like Taiwan maintains Chinese traditiions which was destroyed by communist. But China is a huge country, even food in one place is quite different from another, let alone culture. Taiwan culture can not represent Shanghai, Sichuan or Beijing, they are all different. If you really want to experience Chinese culture, you should spend at least one year to travel and live in different parts of China. And don't worry about communism, if it is not for CPC, many traditional culture like Peking Opera and Kunqu may already disappeared.
No lol. The people were suffering and they wanted to change. That is why they started revolting against the KMT. The People's Liberation Army was literally a bunch of peasents who were like slaves before the revolution.
Its honesty hard to say would China have been better under the nationalists if they won? Maybe not for a while as it had plenty of problems that led to its fall in real life.
Basically this is a Chinese White Army vs Chinese Red Army just exactly same what happened in Russian Empire back then after the end of the 1st world war. Very sad to see brothers killing brothers for some bad choice of rich politicians yet it changed & shaped the world forever. May God receive all victims of the war from all sides into His Kingdom of Heaven.
I bet 99% of the people in this comment section hasn't never read a proper book on Chinese contemporary history. I heard that in places like UK their high school don't even mention Chinese history at all when teaching contemporary history. Wow. I don't know how you guys can be so shameless: commenting as if you know what happened by reading a few wikipedia entries. Give me a break. You wanna love KMT? Love it then. Wanna hate CCP? Hate it then. But the thing is, your love or hatred only shows how remarkebly ignorant and arrogant you are. The world is not just love or hatred. Dichotomy rarely reflects what really happened.
In places other than China, no one mentions it. Infact, the only foreign history taught worldwide in schools is European. Rather, major post Industrailization events.
Finally we see at 5:13 that BELGIUM is the country that stands to benefit from this battle. Also, what are those strange glyphs I see under the patent pending stamp? One of them looks like a Sanskrit Ohm and another looks like a Communist star with an arrow going around perhaps a silhouette of Taiwan?
Chiang Kai-shek (31 October 1887 - 5 April 1975), also known as Chiang Chung-cheng, Chiang Chieh-shih, Cheung Kai-shek and Jiang Jieshi, was a Chinese Nationalist politician, revolutionary, and military leader, who served as the leader of the Republic of China from 1928, until 1949 in mainland China, and then in Taiwan until his death in 1975.
That is not what happened. The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop war. The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT financed the war against Japan by printing money which caused hyperinflation and the Soviets were funding and equipping the Communists.
@@detox4590 what part of that was not factual? The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop warfare, they fought the Warlords, then the Communists, then the Japanese and then the Communists again. The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT were using inflation to fund the war effort, this isn't even controversial it is just what happened, that and the Japanese destroyed huge percentages of the Chinese industrial base. Is this the part that you contest? The Soviets were funding and arming the Communists, and handed over Manchuria to the Communists after the Soviets defeated the Japanese there, leaving behind massive stockpiles of equipment and firepower that the Communists used to turn the tide of the war. Which of these points if western propaganda? No, it is you who is listening to the propaganda of the Communist Party, who in reality did little to unify or protect China during the darkest hours of the 1920's-1940's. They did not defeat the warlords, they were not the major contributor to the war against Japan, they were opportunists who spent World War 2 building up strength and then bulldozed their way to power during the aftermath, in part by making promises they never intended to keep. Mao was, above all else, a complete hypocrite. When the Kuomintang weren't holding free and fair elections, they were unrepresentative tyrants (conveniently ignore that the Kuomintang did make a pivot back to democracy in 1947). Mao himself and Communist Party mouthpieces routinely called for democracy. They would write news articles on the 4th of July praising the American system of governance.
"美國是自由世界的核心,民主的保護神,人民的朋友,專制者的敵人。所有的封建專制統治者都把美國當眼中釘。美國是人類社會的成功模式的榜樣." "The United States is the core of the free world, the protector of democracy, the friends of the people, and the enemies of the autocrats. All feudal autocratic rulers have regarded the United States as a needle in the eye (an obstacle). The United States is a model for a successful model of human society." Xinhua Daily, 1942 蔣介石的獨裁和專政是必須要推翻的,因中國人民最需要的是民主政治,而民主的前提是要解決分權制衡的監督問題。中央的政府權力大得不得了,沒有人監督,選舉是假的,那些代表都需要聽國民黨的,不听就抓起來,甚至派特務搞綁架、暗殺,這怎麼得了? Chiang Kai-shek’s dictatorship must be overthrown, because the Chinese people need democracy the most, and the premise of democracy is to solve the problem of supervision of separation of powers. The central government’s power is so great that no one is supervising, elections are fake, and those representatives need to listen to the Kuomintang. If they don’t listen, they will be arrested and even get kidnapped or assassinated by secret agents. How come this? Xinhua Daily, 1942 美國人民是中國人民的好朋友,我黨的奮鬥目標,就是推翻獨裁的共產黨反動派,建立美國式的民主制度,使全國人民能夠享受民主帶來的幸福。我相信,當中國人民為民主而奮鬥時,美國人民會支持我們。 American people are good friends with Chinese people. The goal of our party's endeavor, is to overthrow KMT counter-revolutionary dictatorship, to build an American-style democracy, and to let people nationwide have the privilege to enjoy the happiness brought by democracy. I believe, when Chinese people are striving for democracy, American people will support us. Xinhua Daily, 1943 有些人懷疑共產黨得勢之後,是否會學俄國那樣,來一個無產階級專政和一黨制度。我們的答復是:我們這個新民主主義制度不可能、不應該是一個階級專政和一黨獨占政府機構的製度。 Some people doubt whether the Communist Party will learn from Russia and become a dictatorship of the proletariat and a one-party system. Our answer is: Our new democratic system cannot and should not be a system of class dictatorship and one-party monopoly of government institutions. Xinhua Daily, 1945 “自由民主的中國”將是這樣的一個國家,它的各級政府直至中央政府都由普遍、平等、無記名的選舉所產生,並向選舉它的人民負責。它將實現孫中山先生的三民主義,林肯的民有、民治、民享的原則與羅斯福的四大自由(按:四大自由指美國總統羅斯福在第二次世界大戰期間提出的“言論和表達的自由”、“信仰上帝的自由”、“免於匱乏的自由”、“免於恐懼的自由”)。它將保證國家的獨立、團結、統一及與各民主強國的合作。 "Free and democratic China" will be such a country. Its governments at all local levels up to the central government are elected by universal, equal, and anonymous elections. These governments will be responsible for those who have elected them. This country will realize Mr. Sun Yat-sen's Three People's Principles, Lincoln's Principles of Citizenship, Rule of the People, and People's Enjoyment, as well as Roosevelt's Four Freedoms (refers to Four Freedoms President Roosevelt proposed during WWII. They are: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Worship, Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear). It will guarantee the independence, consolidation, unity, and cooperation with all democratic powers. Mao, 1945 人民民主專政需要工人階級的領導。因為只有工人階級最有遠見,大公無私,最富於革命的徹底性。整個革命歷史證明,沒有工人階級的領導,革命就要失敗,有了工人階級的領導,革命就勝利了。 The people's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs. 'On the People's Democratic Dictatorship', 1949