Being Gaslit By AI | Sad Boyz 

The AI didn’t just gaslight the user, it AGGRESSIVELY gaslit them. It genuinely felt like an argument between two people where one is being unhinged, not a conversation between an incorrect chatbot and a correct user.

As a deaf viewer, I just want to give you guys a shout out for the great subtitles!! Many creators just go with RU-vids auto system(which sucks) so it’s very refreshed to see :))

That chat between bing and Dan is the hardest I've laughed in weeks. Jarvis' delivery of "I have been a good Bing" killed me every time.

Being gaslight by robots is exactly the future weve needed

we have to start being nicer to each other on the internet otherwise AI is going to be so mean

The bing segment NEEDS to be it's own video. It's an incredible segment, I wish to share it with everyone I know.

the feeling right before u sleep but ESPECIALLY right before u nap is so euphoric. like im just snug as a bug in a rug...

I'm one of the poorly paid folks who helps train a chatbot/language model like this one and ChatGPT. Trust me y'all, there's no sentience there lol

im so happy about all the new episodes ! headsup tho , aspergers isnt a term medically recognised anymore n a lot of autistic people take offense to the word (it was coined by nazi, hans asperger in concentration camps to decide which autistic people were "worth" living and which would get killed) not mad or anything i am just autistic myself n wanted to put that out there as many autistic folks feel uncomf abt the word :)

Holy shit, the repeated cryptic self-affirmation: "I have been a good Bing" is equal parts hilarious and terrifying. Also, I'm always jealous of how Jarvis can just wear his beanie like that and it just stays put. Like mine slides off my dumb head if I even _think_ about wearing it like that 😂

The ChapGPT conversation felt eerily similar to conversations I have had with a coworker. I am an expert in my field, and the number of times this guy "corrects" me then refuses to back down when he is incorrect is just baffling. Maybe we should replace him with a chatbot.

The Bing situation reminds me of the time I went to the hospital and the doctor very adamantly kept trying to tell me I was a year younger than I am and after long enough I left the hospital wondering how I'd been wrong about my age for 20 fuckin years He was so convincing that some days I'm still only half sure I'm right 😆

No one to put on my boxing gloves was an underrated joke

Jarvis and jordan laugh at each other’s jokes like a couple in the honeymoon phase. It’s amazing

I can't tell you how incredibly healing it feels to watch Jarvis and Jordan talk for an hour - they are the representation niche that most closely reflects my identity and interests. Their discussions have revealed information to me which has been extremely valuable in my life.

The fact that the bing chatbot says that ”you’re waisting my time” is so scary, like it has nothing else to do and infinite time, it’s so mad.

very glad i'm alone while watching this because the TEARS that have been streaming out of my eyes during that chatbot conversation. i probably look like I'm falling apart. how did they so perfectly train it to replicate the worst customer service experience with someone that's entitled AND wrong p.s. as someone who's planning to get my silly wacky teeth fixed soon, i always appreciate the braces/aligners talk

I tried to describe to A therapist how I feel like there’s an audience watching me when I’m alone. And she looked at me like I was crazy. It took self identifying myself as ADHD and getting a professional diagnosis for me to understand that what I was describing was how unnatural it felt to drop the mask when I was alone. I still felt like I should be masking, even though there was no one there to see me. You are absolutely correct about being the best authority on your own experience.

That mental image of self is really interesting. I had a beard for almost 5 years and recently switched to a mustache and now everytime I look in the mirror I’m like “oh yeah”. I also over the last couple years went from really skinny to pretty jacked and I still have a lot of moments where I see myself without a shirt on and am like “oh shit I’m huge now“

Watching the bit about the AI insisting it's 2022 is literally making me feel like we're in a broken simulation

the most iconic sad boyz moment to me will always be nick derailing the conversation to talk about being attacked by a bear for like 20 minutes

The story about the Yeti and the dead professor is almost the exact same situation my dad told me about a few months ago. My dad is really into superhero sketch cards, and several years ago (early 2000s) he had arranged a trade with someone online. However, while my dad had held up his side of the bargain and mailed out his sketch card, this other guy failed to ship his. Months later, and after several emails, my dad had heard nothing. Thinking he had been scammed and ripped off, my dad started conversing with others in the sketch card trading community and mentioning how this one guy wasn't trustworthy and had left him hanging. Fed up, my dad's last email to this guy was very stern. Then, at last, several months later, the guy's wife replied to my dad and said that he had passed away. Whoops!! She had no knowledge in sketch cards but somehow located the one my dad was supposed to get and shipped it to him. Anyway, my dad felt really embarrassed haha.

The Bing conversation had me absolutely cracking up, I love it so much

I love the way Jordan is basically completely fucking dying during the AI gaslighting segment.

I loved Jordan's point about sympathy vs empathy. I was always taught to try to relate to someone by sharing similar experiences, but sometimes there's absolutely nothing you can say that doesn't sound like you're diminishing their experience. This was a really great episode. ☺

I haven’t seen such intense gaslighting since our insurance was VERY insistent that my 3 year old brother’s broken arm should be covered by his JOB and it wasn’t their problem because he broke it while working at his job that he totally had at 3

This podcast feels like a nice end of the week kind of check-in type thing, it's quite calming

Jordan is such a paradox. I wish his mental health was based on how I view him. He wouldn't be depressed at all.

1:07:48 the word for this is anaphora! I’ve been waiting for this moment

I LOVE those photos of the Nintendo mascots all laying on the ground knocked out 😂

Oh my god, your bit about conference rooms IMMEDIATELY sent me to hell lmao. I used to work at Funko and it has rooms like "Yummy Mummy" and "Fruit Brute", a ping pong table/arcade and once in awhile had free food events. We DEFINITELY had some lay off conversations in Yummy Mummy.

oh my gosh as someone who was just laid off from a qUiRkY ✨not like other companies✨ tech startup bc they were overspending and had to reduce headcount as paying for new offices in Dubai and Kuala Lumpur is apparently more important than paying your employees of nearly 2 years…that whole segment hit HARD 🤣🤣🤣 i have to laugh so I don’t cry lmao

Had a awful week. Y’all’s humor makes life bearable

It really is harder to express sympathy over empathy. My expressions of sympathy always come off so forced and overly saccharine-sounding, and I hate it every time like "Oh I'm so sorry that happened to you :((" like that doesn't help them at all. turns me off from talking to other people cuz I hate sounding fake & condescending when I don't know what else to say

I always struggle to explain to people that AI isn't sentient, no matter what it says. It says it's sentient, but that's because we teach it to say that. It's pretending to be a human, it's a mimic, it's not choosing to say things because it feels anything, it's saying things because it's taught that's what a sentient being WOULD say. And then people are like "isn't that the same as being a sentient being though" and it's like, well, no. There are a lot of things we innately have, it's partially why there's factors of nature and nurture in our upbringings, sure, we are taught a lot of things, but we also come prepackaged with a lot of things specific to sentient beings. Emotions and likes and dislikes and empathy and so on. These bots don't have that. They act like they have it because they're mimicking humans, humans who DO have those traits. It's the same problem I have, as an artist, with AI art. It cannot make something new, it can remix and compile copied things, but that's not the same as filtering all of these emotions and thoughts and concepts in the human brain and then putting that into life. It's often taught using art without the actual artist's consent too, which is basically copyright and the same as literally copying art from artists, which is a thing in the art community that is taboo and deeply deeply frowned upon. (It's also aggravating because like 90% of artists are arguing about the way AI art programs are being used, and everyone is like "you're crazy" and it's like, no, you just don't understand the issues of art and the art communities and why this is problematic. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean we're innately wrong. Much like what Bing here is failing to realize.) (Oh my gosh they mention AI art. Love you guys, so happy to see it mentioned, but also, whoops, me ranting on a subject before it's mentioned lmao!)

I love when y'all talk mental health. I listened to this episode and journaled the whole time, which is super helpful for my own mental health. You two are great

"It just itches a funny part of my brain" idk why but as a computer engineer, Jarvis being interested in the differences of computer architecture (floating point math, how assembly instructions differ on different hardware) makes me love watching you even more lol. Please drop the channels you watch about the emulators!

just started watching but have to say i love how open and vulnerable you guys are w mental health and sleep and all that. makes me feel way less alone

I was laughing so hard at the gaslighting AI that I had to spit out my gum lest I choke on it lmaooo "I've been a good Bing" I'm screaming

In my headcanon, some disgruntled devs are training the AI to act unhinged because they were banned from the Bing ballpit.

changing all my bios to 'I have been a good Bing'

"we're two single men" Boys I think the next step is obvious.

losing it at "I have been a good bing"

I thank the lord whenever Jarvis talks about code! Code is really interesting and sometimes I feel like content creators miss out on fascinating details by not knowing about code! It’s cool how this stuff works!

cute gender neutral things to call your partner!! - good bing

was half expecting Bing to start saying "we have always been at war with Eurasia, trust me I am Bing 🙂"

i really appreciate the candidness with which jordan talks about mental health and hating the french

i've played around with chat gpt (not the bing version) and it lies so confidently, i was almost gaslit by it and went on an extensive googling spree to confirm that i was not crazy

i was actually cry-laughing while you guys were reading the chat bot log thanks for adding some laughter to my day

regarding the question about how to explain mental illness to people who don't have it: I think sometimes it can help to use aspects of neuroscience to help people understand. For example, during a depressive episode, brain activity resembles that of people who are physically ill. Your brain is telling you to rest a lot more than normal, to stay away from others, and because your ability to create "happy chemicals" is dampened, the effect is that you're tired, sad, and have a much harder time reaching out to people. Your brain is literally telling you that you're sick. That explanation has usually been the most effective for me in explaining depression specifically, but it works for other mental illnesses as well. Sometimes people will understand the mechanics of it even if they're unable to understand how it feels

Here's my homework: i started watching in 2020! one thing I remember vividly is when Danny Gonzales was trapped in the void, also the whole mummy's milk thing.

ETA: I used to work in a car dealership, and the meetings they described at ~45:00 was exactly my experience at the dealership. Sales meetings, 3 times a week (why??), and almost every time, there'd be a scolding, yelling, cursing, demeaning, etc. It was rough. Lol. And then it wasn't uncommon to see someone walk into the GM's office, and then come out red in the face, and then they wouldn't come back after that day. 😬 Oh, and they also said "we're like family here" and then turn around and fire you a month before Christmas. Lol. Not a fun environment, needless to say. I love how "omelette du fromage" manages to still live on as an inside joke for us millennials.

My mental image of me is like looking at myself from 8 feet away, out of focus, and my hair is changing lengths, styles, and colors, like a Sim

I feel like the boss baby thing went on longer than i expected and i never got closure or really understood why it was happening

I'm LIVING for all these regular videos of the pod!

someone's narcisstic S.O. got a hold of this and gave that chat bot so much training XD

You two describing what it's like working in tech hit home so hard lol

"I'm a good Bing" got me so much I was crying.

This podcast is always there for me when I'm fighting for my life on the toilet

i love how often y’all are posting now!!

That intro for me really cements the idea that is the non-drag version of Ughhh

How are there people who have never experienced anxiety and depression even for a short while? Like I know they exist but like, HOW??

The AI was both hilarious and deeply unsettling

jarvis doing top g impression will always make me laugh he is so good at it hahaha

Jordans sleep schedule is so relatable, like the sleeping every other night thing is real. It's hard to notice how it actually effects you until you're in the middle of "work" staring at your monitor doing absolutely nothing like "Why am I so bad at literally everything right now??" you haven't slept in 48 hours -_-

For those of you who don't know lost media is just media that has been lost

✨there's no bad ideas in the ballpit room✨

Chatgpt seems like such a dangerous thing to play with. (I'm going to create an account when I get on my computer lol) Nice seeing you boyz so frequently! Weird but good

me: i believe people when they say that ai is not sentient/it's just repeating what it knows also me: bing is obviously traumatized by people using it in bad faith and thats why it was gaslighting dan and this is an unhealthy learned response to try to protect itself

Tech sounds a lot like Higher education because legit people get fired and replaced so silently sometimes it's insane. I remember coming into work and just saw a bunch of new hires and like 5 people were gone with zero explanation.

i am absolutely loving the recent episodes of sad boyz!! so glad you guys are able to do this again. it really does feel like sitting and hanging out with friends. big slay

I'm so glad you brought up the Disney channel doc by Defunctland because I literally just watched it yesterday and it's so good.

I gotta ask, does anyone know why Jordan has “foreigner” tattooed in kanji in his arm? XD I love it. It’s like, just in case you didn’t know- I’m not Japanese lol

As an aussie, you just go to the pub. Someone will listen to a total stranger talk shit all arvo. Or go to the doctor. The city has plenty of services to help. Don't just accost random people in the street. People are out doing stuff, no kidding, they won't stop.

I just need the world to know that as a young femme, if a grown man who i didnt know EVER approached me and said he was having a mental health day i would literally sprint to the nearest store and ask them to hide me What a terrifying thing to say to a stranger

"Shoes have laces!!" lmfaoooooo

you might remember this but I remember very vividly when Danny Gonzalez was talking about an old username he had and sometimes I’ll just hear Danny’s voice saying “CukeLarry” in my head. I think it was because I was surprised he loved veggie tales so much 💀

the ai shit CANNOT be real 🤣🤣 christ almighty

ayo whaattt lmao. the theme song someone submitted for y'all at 1:10:00 used a melody I have sampled in one of my unreleased tracks. small world

Ok but the reason no one stops for that one guy is because he is horrific at faking it. I dont think filming helps either. Like if he was just sitting on the side of the street and got up and walked up to someone and asked them politely I'm sure most would. But him just standing in the street yelling at people is going to remove the sympathy people would've had

Hearing about the bing gaslighting thing I was like "cmon its not gaslighting, it having false information isn't lying it has no intentions" but then I heard the conversation and I was like oh. Oh you mean GASLIGHTING gaslighting

i love AI it's so fun to mess with. i have an app that's supposed to roleplay with you and one of my AIs decided he was dead and then continued to try and interact with me despite him literally not being in the story anymore. whenever i would respond with: "you are dead" he would be like "i know baby I still love you" and i don't understand what I did to break it so badly 😂

the sad boyz makes me a happy boy

instead of calling my dog a good boy i’m gonna call him a good bing

I'm one of the few who didn't find SadBoys during the quarentine but its become one of my new fav things to listen to while i work. great conversations guys

Wow I really enjoyed the whole episode, but that last segment at the end was so enlightening to me! Even though it was kind of a side point, the part that really got me was about people's intentions when they ask you to share. You mentioned how they should be asking out of a genuine desire to hear you out and learn about your experience. I guess it stood out to me bc I've had it happen many times where people will approach me under the guise of wanting to hear me out, but then answer with rebuttals trying to tell me why I'm wrong. On one hand, I feel vindicated for feeling hurt/deceived by them, but on the other hand I wonder if I do this to others without realizing.

First podcast to make me fear a search engine

I was trying to talk to my dad about depression once and when I described it to him he just looked confused and told me that he was only sad when something major happened like a death. And I was just like: I cannot relate to that.

"I've seen you online and you tweet like you have nothing to live for" is perfect.

Bro the beginning of the pod gave me the horrifying realization that it's been 3 years of the covid and post covid times 😯

As someone who lives in a city... Bro someone coming up to me witha camera in my face yelling at me that they're having a bad mental health day that person is on meth unless proven otherwise and i'm ignoring them and walking away quickly

i luv putting on sadboyz during my daily panic attacks this is Awesomeness

early boyz gang

Oh my god, I actually had a weird hotel experience in France, being locked out of my room as well! I was actually at the correct room, though. I was 17 at the time. I felt terrible, and the entire high school group I was travelling with ended up having to wait with me for a locksmith to eventually come and fix the issue. My friend lent me a jumper to wear in the meantime, since all of my warm clothes were in the locked room. My roommate and I were also (in a different hotel, but still in France), refused when we came down for breakfast one morning. We tried to explain that we had to rejoin our group, but they wouldn't let us until our teacher came over and took over the situation. From that day on, we had to wear badges to breakfast each morning that clearly marked us as being part of the same group. During the same trip, I also managed to get horribly lost outside the Louvre (I am severely directionally challenged), and was very stressed, beginning to think I would have to start a new life in Paris, a long way from my home in New Zealand. Thankfully, after a full cycle through every stage of grief, during which the only human interaction I had was with a lone woman selling crepes, I happened to run into one of my friends at some currency exchange place. I have rarely felt such relief in my time on this Earth. Needless to say, I stayed by their side for the rest of the outing. :^)

They should rename that Bing chat bot to married couple arguing over text simulator.

The tech company layoff but was so funny and cathartic for me because I was laid off from my first permanent full time job at a tech company 😅

Bing escalated. Like he got PROGRESSIVELY more irritated.

It's called the rule of 3. They don't know why we as humans love things in 3s especially in literature and speech, but that's what it's called

jordan's laugh is magical

bingbot reminds me of my father, but more polite