Jamie: "Do you have any question before I depart?" Zajef: "Not really, oh wait!" *An hour of Benny's adventure team* -damn what a way to lengthen the conversation lol.
that stream was very fun to watch, rly enjoyed their dynamic and it felt more constructive and chill overall than other collabs ive seen. very interesting takes and dynamic
It's been 13min and i can resume the last minutes with this : Zajef : I put X here because i think (Insert cope asf team) is a good team Jamie : Nooo guys please don't play that... I'm crying 😭
It's been 1 hour and 22 seconds and i can resume the video with this : Zajef : I put X here because i think (Insert cope asf team) is a good team Jamie : Nooo guys please don't play that... also some of the teams are not cope, like hyperfridge is basically as comfy as zhongli depending on the enemies
Eula only needs a real electro support. Imagine a kit, a bit like Beidou to begin with. Electro shielding and regular off-field electro AND physical damage. Somewhere in their kit they increase damage after your on-field character bursts. This will apply to 90% of Eula's field time and allow her to switch off early if necessary. Decent/good particle generation. Chevreuse grants shred, atk%, healing, and a huge damage bonus. So I imagine this character could provide shielding, dmg% and atk%, and possibly shred, good energy regen is not off the table. I think Eula needs Atk% the most with no Bennett, and she'll have plenty of dmg% from Furina and Mika, Mika will also provide attack speed. In addition or in place of dmg% above, this character could be another flat damage post burst use type. Furina and Mika will increase such by a lot. But I'm also thinking about other characters who could use this kind of character like Cyno and Itto. Possibly Raiden but she will likely still have better teammates. 55:08 She shreds Cryo and Physical Res. If Mika, like, attacked from off-field with a floating crossbow that did Physical damage (he'd be a better unit) she would buff him. In the end, Shatter should have always been an amplifying reaction imo. She and Freminet would make sense.
I agree we need an electro support that would work well with physical characters. I think asking for shielding, damage % and attack % buffs, and shred is possibly asking for too much tho (especially from a 4 star character; maybe a 5 star character with an eidolon could be able to do all of these things)
that's just gonna make already good quicken carries even stronger. So the only way to make just Eula better is some sort of phys dmg bonus (not shread bcz superconduct already does that a lot) that sounds a bit too niche and weird considering physical is not a real element.
Eula was my first five star and I wish she were better but I do think a lot of her stuff could be alleviated by actually having good synergistic supports. She wants a lot of things and there just isn't very good role consolidation for most of them: -The usual atk and dmg% buffs -Superconduct or other physical res shred -Cryo battery (absolutely essential, sometimes you might even want two) -Grouping, since the AoE on her ult is surprisingly kinda bad especially against mobile enemies that might move out of the slow-ass animation. -Healing or shielding (she does give herself a Def buff and some interruption resistance so you can sometimes get away with a mediocre healer like Kuki) She doesn't work well with Bennett/Xiangling as a subcore since she needs too much else and we don't really have other good units that do enough of those things at the same time. Also doesn't work well with any of the groupers because she doesn't benefit from VV. If she got a cryo support that was as good for her as C6 Faruzan is for Xiao and Wanderer, generates a ton of energy, maybe provides a physical exclusive damage buff, and some grouping I think she could be quite a bit better. I've never regretted pulling her but she is just not great without vertical investment. For me Navia is the most motivating comparison since they're both units with large single hits that kinda don't have super synergistic teammates, but Navia has like 50 advantages in comparison, being way less burst reliant, way less dependent on specific reactions, not really energy hungry at all, can easily extend her rotation with an extra skill for a substantial amount of extra damage, her c1 and c2 actually provide substantial "fixes" to potential issues her kit can have, etc.
I have always thought Eula's best team is with Raiden, Charlotte/high con Mika, and Furina. You run Eula on 4pc Hunter - which has INSANE synergy with her back loaded kit. You can very easily get 100% crit rate on her burst and way more than 200% cd with just above average or decent investment. Idk why people are still playing the old teams. This team feels just perfect.
i've been playing this team with mika (only c3) and fischl instead of raiden, it feels really nice. really don't like running raiden in eula teams. the combined attack speed boost between pines and mika is fun. *furina is c2 though, so maybe not representative.
The xiao stuff Jamie said is so true. He's correct in saying that xiao's new ffxx team dmg wise isn't really better than bennet teams. And people mostly underrated xiao before, only dedicated xiao mains were insane enough to wish for c6 faru on wanderer banner.(me included) Xianyun/faru banner was godsent, and xianyun's release made xiao popular again meta wise but it really wasn't her dmg that made xiao so good. It's the quality of life you get with no circle impact, better healing over time for furina as compared to jean and her buff being so good for single target. The team is so stacked beyond belief, fixing all of xiao's issues. Speedrunning wise, in my personal experience at c0 both bennet and xianyun teams perform similarly, unless you have c2 furina or something.
" Bennett fell off after dendro " might be the worst popular take in the game , he is even more meta now , literally evrey single Fontaine DPS besides neuvellite use him
Its literally a fact you can cope all you want also bringing up fontaine doesn't help his case when the 2 best characters in fontaine are by far furina and neuvillete and both of them dont use bennet
He did fall off. But only because before Dendro, National team variations completely dominated the meta and Bennett is in all of them. He was like the #1 most important character in the meta. He's still super important, but not as much as he was back then.
@edimasv4581 you can use freminet in a hyperbloom team too, doesn't make him an actual unit for that team, same with all the copium furina bennet teams
@@UryuCifer Furina is a support , only the DPS use Bennett not the support also there's many teams with furina and Bennett + 4 of the 5 new top tier fontaine DPS in the game use Bennett , arlechino navia wriothesely and lyney all would be weaker without Bennett lol
A good parallel to Eula would be if we had Xiao in 2.0 but with only Xianyun and his signature weapon to support him. No Zhongli, no Bennet, no proper impenetrable shield, no enemy mechanics that he can take advantage of like crowds.
When he says double hydro Xianyun Diluc, who is the second hydro slot with Furina? Ayato? Candace? Kokomi? Nilou? None of these seem to really jive that well in that team, at least at first glance. Or is it a situation where you weave in an N1 in between plunges with Xingqiu/Yelan like some Xiao combos?
Always yelan. If anyone say double hydro, yelan is there somewhere. Yelan is only good in DH, hot take. She is reliant on a battery/partner and hydro res to not suck
@@BluecoreGsaying she is reliant on double hydro to not suck is gross over exaggeration but I agree that she feels much better to play in those teams compared to solo hydro
I agree with Jamie's take on Eula. The worst thing about Eula is that she don't have optimal support and that's also kind of best thing about her as well, because you're not tied to any specific character her team can be very flexible. This Abyss floor 12 I took Arlecchino on the second half so Bennett was taken; as such I ran Furina, Eula, Raiden, Baizhu for first half. Furina was there to take care of Coppelius's shield and Baizhu for heal and survivability. Cleared without having to reset or restart. My Eula is C2, I used R1 Beacon for 90% CR but still did 440K burst. Eula may not be the best for any scenario but she has been consistently good in one side of every floor 12 since her release; I got my first 36* with her and I used her in all floor 12 since her release. If you doubt my claim you can checkout "Vengeance Enjoyer" YT channel, he's cleared all abyss floor 12 with C0 Eula since 2022.
Wanderer needs a passive stack so he can evade without consuming the gauge that should be used to attack, but getting a passive stack is random especially if you don't have a high attack speed, meaning you can't "just evade" even if you are able to evade. This is not a matter of whether you can evade or not, this is a matter of evade causing massive DPS loss or not. If it's really a skill issue, why does his favorite Arlec team has Candace who doesn't have any shield/interrupt res/dmg reduce at all?
This is one zajef opinion that I hard disagree on. Wanderer is the only character with an inbuilt dodge mechanic. And taking that away feels so wrong. With a shielder you're already compromising on dmg and limit team building. It's the clearest sign of skillissue. Seriously, it's not that hard to dodge in this game and with wanderer you're constantly moving similar to neuvilette, using a shield with wanderer is cringe and overrated.
Mika's buff doesn't linger with Eula when swap out unlike Bennett, its so sad that you can't see that guy in speedruns but at least him with Furina can compensate with it.
unless your eula is C6, i dont see why you want to swap out early. But for me, the reason why his kit doesnt really work is when you play them with furina. The lack of cryo application can hinder the superconduct reactions. but considering that he came out not on eula's banner i can understand why you dont roll for him.
@@SuperDio58 Charlotte can be another option for Eula+Furina teams with ToM with tons of Cryo app, but still defeats the purpose for Mika's issues, I can only wish his burst have some forms of application but its "too" good to be true lol.
@@SuperDio58you can actually, having the ability to swap early with eula is pretty important so you won't overkill some enemy and start the next wave early I mean sure again bosses you wouldn't wanna swap early but again right bosses isn't eula weakness, she is more so suck in multi wave content and having the ability to swap early being taken off just feels so bad
@@tasha2749 but again, unless your eula is C6, if an extra 3 seconds or less of her burst would overkill so much, why even bother to swap? And if you end your burst earlier than that, why even bother to burst? More so, depending of the team, the cooldown is not even over yet.
@@basara2102 but you can play hyperbloom with literally anything else and he even says that so i don't see why it's just a reason to dismiss the value of bennett in ganyu's other teams out of hand because it's "worse" at low investment like you don't play hyperfridge so that you can have the best team for ganyu you play it because you have a leftover slot in hyperbloom with freezable enemies that are bad with circle impact
like it kind of completely goes against the motive of the tier list where it's measuring whether a character is bennett dependent to be good like sure you can just have any character sit in the back of a hyperbloom team and do like whatever and fridge does add to core generation but whats the point of bringing that up
It's reasonable if you go by speedruns, Bennett is needed for double swirl setups and 4pc instructor for em buff, both of which are significant for Hu Tao in vv vape besides the attack buff itself
I do 17s run in triple kenki with hu tao bennet so i can safely say hu tao bennet is fucking insane If u look at first glance losing 33% pyro dmg bonus for 1k attack on character who already has 3k atk look bad, remember that its not just 1k atk it also pyro vv + 40% pyro dmg bonus from the ability to reliably swirl with kazuha
17:40 I agree that a good phys carry would want C6 mika but it wouldn’t be because mika is good it’s moreso that phys support just doesn’t exist outside of him. I mean even at C6 he’s a sidegrade to Bennett. For comparison, with Xiao, C6 faruzan blows benny out of the water. Zajef even said on the last banner review that C6 faruzan will be hard to replace in anemo carry teams, can u really say the same about mika? This “good phys carry” would have to be GIGA cracked in order to drag a team of Mika, Rosaria, Raiden to contend with something like FFXX Xiao or even Itto/Gorou/Chiori.
He is better than Bennett at C6 for physical characters; you're just ignoring his synergy with Furina, his healing + buff that isn't tied to the circle impact, and how potentially the 25% Atk Spd improves the MV by 5~8% for NA carries with low hit-lag.
@@asterion3587but that's reliant on furina. Take away the furina, because this is Mika, and furina doesn't come inbuilt in him. Then he is not so better than Bennett. If they released a physical character who also team heals or some shit like xianyun, you would absolutely run them and Bennett...rather than Mika and some other shit.
@@lostblueboy One of Furina's main functions is to give more value to team-wide healers like Mika, lol. "If they add a better Yunjin exclusively for physical damage (flat damage), Mika's buff will be much better." It's the same kind of cope take you're suggesting; Mika fulfills the same role as Xianyun but exclusively in physical teams. It's unlikely they will add more "team-wide healer niche buffers" now that Fontaine is over. Natlan will probably try to create new synergy with its Pyro Archon or who knows what. And Mika C6 is better than Bennett C5 in many ways
Arlecchino without Bennet serves no purpose if u already have Hutao, she ain’t gotta powercreep Hutao in terms of dmg Arlecchino has such high dmg is thx to being able to maximize Kazuha and Bennet’s buff at the same time + her own personal crackhead multipliers
Arlecchino in a no Benny overload is way better than Hu Tao no Benny overload. So there's that. In that same vein, double hydro is better with Hu Tao than Arle. Also, Arle double Geo (zhong/Yun Jin or zhong/Chiori) is better than Hu Tao on same team. There could be more examples.
@@alexferrier5732 youre completely missing the point the point isnt arlecchino > hutao (both using bennet) or arlecchino > hutao (both in overload) or hutao > arlecchino (both in double hydro) no one is going to compare hutao double geo to x character in double geo, the point is that arlecchino without bennet isnt enough to end hutao's carrier AS A WHOLE, you are still going to compare arlecchino (without bennet) against hutao in double hydro, not overload tao or mono pyro tao, noone uses those teams, in that case, arlecchino is far worse than hutao
@@Nanii_nani No I'm not. The point is that an account with Hu Tao but somehow no Benneth, is not going to benefit from getting Arle since she wouldnt do nothing better than Tao, but aint entirely true if that account can setup an overload with C0 Chev (C6 is a bonus but not mandatory), or if that account can pull a double Geo, or even a freaking Burgeon team, mono pyro doesnt count since it uses benneth, but of course Arle is better than Tao in mono. In that sense Arle's flexibility can allow that account to run Tao on her prefered double hydro team or plunge without Arle having to steal those supports from her, and Arle can run almost whatever. Really the only teams Hu Tao excels at over Arle is double hydro singletarget, Plunge Tao and some singletarget Melt variants, but Arle beats her everywhere else and even Arle double hydro in AoE scenarios Beats Hu Tao double hydro in timings. So yeah, there is still value to be had from getting Arle if someone with an account like wants her. You said "none uses those teams", not in speedruns, but just a quick RU-vid search can show you lots of regular runners using lots of Arle teams and getting great timings, not trolling teams. Hu Tao carreer won't be over as long as she has Plunge Tao anyways. But if someone doesnt have Furina or Xianyun and is deciding between Tao or Arle, Arle would get them the most value. (This last paragraph wasnt the point of the OP, just adressing your "Tao carreer not over" comment.
Arlecchino's AoE is better than Hu Tao's, and she's much less reliant on animation cancels which can be both difficult to pull off/easy to mess up and restrict your ability to dodge. Other than people who just like the character which is always valid, I think I'd recommend Arlecchino over Hu Tao to almost any player who isn't a speedrunner. But you don't need either of them when Xiangling exists
jamie has got to stop qualifying everything and just get straight to the point when hes making a pt. also his inability to tolerate alternate comps and focusing only on speedruns doesnt make these collabs worth doing tbh. cuz Zajef is a team cooker, and jamie is speedrun only or gtfo. this whole conversation was incredibly jarring
his thing against xianyun is actually so annoying, he WILL NOT tolerate any xianyun team, every single one "has a lot of problems" and "calcs dont tell the whole story" its so dumb at this point
@@mawroone4346 I forget what video it was, but Zajef admits that he talks from the perspective of a player who don't yet have the means to get or build every character they want. So yeah, of course every Carry's best team is going to be some variation of National or Hyperbloom because the supports involved give you the most bang for your buck. You'll get the odd powerhouse like Itto, Neuvillette, and Navia, or a rare teammate recommendation like Barbara for Furina or Candace for Arlecchino, but otherwise TCers are going to default to the "old reliables" because people most likely already have them _and_ they come from a time before 4-star supports started getting super niche and gimmicky. Will they remain the best until Genshin Ep.2 or whatever Hoyo decides to call it? Only time will tell.
Bennett himself isn't the issue. The issue is that there isn't enough stuff that isn't strictly a DPS race. Do you remember the one boss event where you could add modifiers for more points (up to and including _just turning the timer off)?_ We need more stuff like that.
Having some of the best units in the game being 4 stars is actually so good for people who dont wanna spend but butthurt people like you want to take even that away cuz your favourite character isnt as good
