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Better than Newtypes: Perspective Changes in Turn A Gundam 

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In this video I'll discuss the theme of perspective changes and the blurring of lines in ∀ Gundam. I think its the most mature Tomino Gundam because its solutions to the issue of permanent and repeated wars is much more grounded and thus earns its optimistic happy ending.

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@davidwanc11
@davidwanc11 3 года назад
Turn A deserves more love and recognition than it got. The non-lead characters didn't feel like one off cannon fodder but were actually beings with their own personalities. Dianna and Kihel weren't your typical damsels in distress whose sole job was being waifu eye candy but were highly capable and commanded respect.
@korbinservergundam
@korbinservergundam Год назад
It dose not.
@marcjustinpascasio9955
@marcjustinpascasio9955 Год назад
@@korbinservergundam It definitely dose
@korbinservergundam
@korbinservergundam Год назад
@@marcjustinpascasio9955 You cannot be more Wrong Turn it was the worst ever. I hated the show before but then I decided I'd give it a chance and I watched it and it only made me hate it more it's absolutely trash. G savior is better
@klaasfaak4039
@klaasfaak4039 4 года назад
Great analysis! Turn A deserves so much more love than it gets.
@goemandude8735
@goemandude8735 4 года назад
As popular of a franchise as Gundam is, I’ve never actually seen anyone do a legitimate analysis of it. Keep up the good work man, this is great!
@Nyard
@Nyard 4 года назад
Yeah kind of astonishing how the discourse around Gundam often seems limited to comparing the details of the mobile suits rather than the storytelling and themes. This is my attempt at addressing that lack.
@JaceyMitchell
@JaceyMitchell 7 месяцев назад
​@@NyardOn that note how do you like the Mobile Suit Breakdown podcast? I think it debuted a little while after you published this video, but I think they're doing a pretty good job at looking at it through a more academic lens than the videos that focus comparing mobile suits.
@Nyard
@Nyard 7 месяцев назад
@@JaceyMitchell I haven't checked it out, thanks for the recommendation though. That sounds interesting.
@PaszerDye
@PaszerDye 2 месяца назад
TBF as much as its substance is rooted in humanity in the midst of conflict and art needed to convey those values, gundam is a material and media vehicle to sell toys. To do otherwise would be like watching professional wrestling for the so-called background drama and not the over-the-top choreography and gladiatorial flirtation with injury. Unless they do something spectacularly bad like G-Reco somehow managed to do, the toys will always sell which is what keeps the franchise afloat. As the western animation audiences and toys market prove, it takes more than a passionate fanbase to keep a franchise relevant. There have to be views, sales, and some form of commodity that is moved. In tangential allusion, I'd paraphrase Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas in saying 'a line must always go up.' And so, G-Witch has proven this recently as well. As long as the dialog isn't so obtuse and confusing to the point it becomes an obstacle, the story itself only needs to reach a certain bar then be carried by every other aspect such as animation, MS designs, its music, all the other production values, and the gunpla sales for an iteration of gundam to succeed. One review I did come across was a review of IBO by BOOFIRE191. Although it did come a year after yours, it's pretty informative and tries to reframe everyone from the collective tunnel vision over the disappointment that 'they didn't win' to the greek tragedy-like fall of the protagonists caught in circumstances more gray than black and white, as well as notable inversions of established gundam tropes. That said, overall I think Gundam as a franchise on the whole fails to honestly embody the ideals its original creator intended. Like you said, after Tomino repeatedly concluded his stories with newtypes killing each other and ending up badly, he made Turn A without newtypes and reached the most uplifting ending he could come up with. But that also ignores and betrays what the franchise has become to its fans ALA death of the author. To most fans, gundam is about harsh reality amidst planetary conflict, and conflict will only ever repeat and repeat in spite of differing technology. That's just where humanity is in this current epoch. In that sense, Turn A is a fairy tale because Kihel & Dianna's opportunity to switch places and perspectives is almost too fantastical, and the fact characters get to see the horrors of previous stories in the UC timeline, is just unreal. And yes, you can use the Turn A as a washing machine or to dry clothes, but it's played off in a sort of pretense that it isn't a weapon. In the same way you can use an loaded rifle to pitch a tent--it's not an outright wrong usage, but it's a blase way to go about it that undercuts the gravity of what has been established, that gundams and guns were created to take lives. So yeah, it can seem intrepid and novel to use a gundam like that, but IMO the framing of the scene feels irreverent and childish, and can waved off or ignored. That all said, it's just too on the nose and hollywood-esque in a way, that after a bunch of character get a different perspective the problem is solved after some climax and the world is suddenly better off. Gundam was inspired by the country's generational experience of war to branch off from super robot into real robot, but under the auspices of Sunrise, Bandai, and other toy & media companies it needs to keep its franchise alive, it has deviated from its exact ideal as something anti-war into an echo of it in order to just carry on, whether as something for corpos to exploit and make money, or for people to genuinely enjoy. So in that vein, i think such ideals better summed up and convey in One Piece. While it is generally in the same cultural boat as gundam, I feel it has kept more of its initial integrity intact inspite of its fans and success than Gundam, considering its author's sheer dedication. Particularly through the story of Nico Robin, Frankie, and the allegory of Pluto; "it isn't a crime to exist."
@willthedill180
@willthedill180 4 года назад
Now, that's a vibe.
@Nyard
@Nyard 4 года назад
vibbing
@lemmythetrash-goblin8291
@lemmythetrash-goblin8291 3 года назад
A beautiful video. Truly gets what makes Turn A Gundam such an unique and sublime series. It has such an optimistic outlook, without ever feeling preachy or naïve. I like how you highlighted the casul diversity of the cast. It was such finely done detail I hadn't even thought about it, but in hindsight, it perfectly fits the themes of people being able to live in harmony, no matter where they came from or how different they are. Such a lovely, optimistic series.
@RayOfTruth
@RayOfTruth 2 года назад
After War Gundam X also directly comes to a similar conclusion. It's also the anime that focuses on Newtypes the most, and is the only Gundam AU to use the word "newtype."
@FredMaverik
@FredMaverik 7 месяцев назад
it's also a rehash so there's that
@MrImpala444
@MrImpala444 3 года назад
It was a bitter sweet ending for me. Sochie was left all alone, man.
@cathopreicon
@cathopreicon 3 года назад
thankyou for taking the time to make this video. I just finished watching Turn A and am left with a huge void. this video was a really satisfying reflection on what just happened. Thank you
@kolinmartz
@kolinmartz Год назад
Zeon has a lot of influences after a certain 20th century country and “New types” just sounds like the space version of blond hair blue eyes to me.
@TDSFounder
@TDSFounder 2 года назад
Good point on the the deconstruction of New-Types. Though I think Sochie wasn't feeling happy in the ending.
@agogobell28
@agogobell28 9 месяцев назад
This is an absolutely beautiful video essay, encapsulating a fundamental part of why I love Turn A Gundam so much. Thank you for making it.
@kurosan0079
@kurosan0079 3 года назад
I'm convinced. I don't even care about Gundam canon anymore. This is the correct timeline. Or should I say, the Correct Century.
@lemmythetrash-goblin8291
@lemmythetrash-goblin8291 3 года назад
I always loved that name. "Correct Century." Because in the end, isn't is just that? A timeline where humanity has a chance to be better, to build something from the ashes of the past. Where humans can learn, be better and embrace each other as brothers and sisters, no matter where they came from. A century that has chance for everything to finally go correctly. A more beautiful century
@SudrianTales
@SudrianTales 2 года назад
@@lemmythetrash-goblin8291 and no colony drops
@FredMaverik
@FredMaverik 7 месяцев назад
@@lemmythetrash-goblin8291 I mean, why was it even called that in the show? Who named it C.C. more than 2000 years ago?
@TheLVJ
@TheLVJ 3 года назад
I respect Turn A and its broad strokes, but it has some truly infuriating moment to moment character interactions. It sets up contrived/repetitive plot cul-de-sacs. There was often dissonance between the animation and dialogue during both slower and chaotic/erratic battle scenes. I've been doing a paced full franchise rewath for much of this year. From a directorial standpoint, I have to place Turn A closer to the ranks of Wing and Victory. It's a beautiful series and thematically rich, yes. The awkward character writing and ham-fisted conflicts really pull me out. That's Tomino for ya, I guess.
@matteste
@matteste 2 года назад
Yea, I would describe Tomino that way. Great ideas and world, but questionable characters and writing. A lot of his stuff is just all over the place, feeling either inconsistent or contrived. The battles for instance just felt forced, like he had some "battles per episode" quota to fill.
@xistentialanime282
@xistentialanime282 4 года назад
pft Newtypes are so 2019. Give me some Nutypes
@stormeaglegaming5395
@stormeaglegaming5395 3 года назад
interesting analysis
@dagon99
@dagon99 10 месяцев назад
nice analysis.
@RubenPaintsMinis
@RubenPaintsMinis 3 года назад
Excellent video! I don’t want to disagree but I too think a lot about Gundam and especially Newtypes. Also I haven’t watched Turn A yet. The problem I see with just changing perspectives and is that as you noted near the end of your video, is everything gets mixed. The hope is that by all classes and genders mixing is that people will stop fighting the “other,” because they see the other as themselves. Fine enough. The downside to this is that that as all sides meld, the center starts to go askew. Definitions will also skew. This is uninhabitable. So then New definitions will form and sides will re-emerge and conflict arises all over again, Perhaps the show has a happy ending because the narrative ends before the philosophy fully unravels itself. I really like the fact that a new type ultimately dies because THAT is the logical conclusion to mixture; Ego death a la The End of Evangelion. Sure Newtypes get weaponized similar to Jedis in Star Wars but the underlying philosophy is that by ascending one’s being to the level that it can experience all experience from all sides conflict will truly. Such as Luke Skywalker nearly killing his father, only to forgive his father and sacrifice for his father, who the sacrifices himself for his son. I still have a lot of Gundam to watch but I’m interpreting Newtypes as the answer to conflict. The conflict will only end when you basically bleed for the other side. Imagine stabbing an opponent in the heart and you equally develop a hole in yours. But one part of your video that I totally agree with and see the profoundness of is the baker. He has changed perspectives and remolded himself and is content in his new position. Perspective change and then new definition that is sustaining. NOT perspective change followed by mixture and that’s all, (pseudo) happy ending(IMO).
@Nyard
@Nyard 3 года назад
Thanks for your thoughtful comment! To me the process of perspective changes is never finished but is an ongoing practice of trying to see the world through the others eyes. As the world changes and new factions and conflicts form the same means of perspective changes can and should still be happening. I don't see it as an Evangelion like instrumentality, because the way to see through the others eyes necessitates individuality. In Eva the metaphor of instrumentality was to give up being a person because of how unavoidable conflict is, in Turn A if anything being a person becomes richer and more unique by having such a vibrant and diverse world. Conflict is not avoided by erasing difference but by increasing and cherishing differences. Either way, you should really watch Turn A I'm sure you'll find it very interesting.
@FredMaverik
@FredMaverik 7 месяцев назад
Watch the show.
@FredMaverik
@FredMaverik 7 месяцев назад
@mrdaddy569 maybe watch the shows.
@LegendoftheGalacticHero
@LegendoftheGalacticHero 5 месяцев назад
I love you your perspective of the baker. Myself I see it as rather than a perspective change, perhaps a perspective regression. I haven't watched turn A yet so I don't know what kind of life they had on the moon, but it made me think of what if one could be the thing they wanted to be as young kids, which at least used to be simpler such as fireman, plumber, doctor, nurse or baker. How many people would work on those simpler professions if they could live from it? But if in the moon they knew a different life style, then maybe it doesn't hold. But I still like that evokes that return to innocence.
@fattiger6957
@fattiger6957 3 месяца назад
UC Gundam really is depressing when you think about it. And if you accept Turn A as the future version of it (which I think Bandai will announce some day that Turn A is just a possible future) it makes it all that more depressing. Humanity never got it's crap together and just ended up being so destructive that they were driven to a near apocalypse that erased their whole history. Despite stopping them from repeating it in Turn A, it seems like humanity is still primed to do so. I say this coming from Macross, which is a much more hopeful series. Humanity in that franchise had been through many of the same things as people in Gundam, but in Macross humanity came together and found peace among themselves. By Macross Frontier, they were thriving and sending out generation ships into deep space. But the one unifying thing in Macross is different people (humanity and the Zentraedi) finding commonality in something beautiful, which took the form of music. The people in Gundam never seemed to find commonality and always fought over their (often petty) differences.
@HoratioScaleModels
@HoratioScaleModels Год назад
Looking for an anime streaming service to sub to, RU-vid brain, which one has the most/best(?) selection of gundam series to watch?
@ridzwanlagenda2949
@ridzwanlagenda2949 3 года назад
I knew newtype made super soldier
@tahirahmad9645
@tahirahmad9645 25 дней назад
Amuro was right! Patience, perspective changes, and common sense need to prevail. Char was wrong. The crew of the White Base and Nahel Argama (uc 0096) came so close to this. Banagher, Suletta, and Loren are the top best gundam characters that avoided being sucked into war. But they fought with purpose and freedom, achieving a better outcome that Amuro and other characters never had.
@fattiger6957
@fattiger6957 3 месяца назад
While I generally really enjoyed Turn A, it does feature some of Tomino's common idiosyncrasies. Way too long and bloated story, giant casts where some of the characters just end up fading into the background without resolution to their subplots and ideas that go nowhere. Realistically the series could be half the length and still tell the same story. Why even bother doing the Loran crossdressing thing when it led to nothing? Why have Sochie engaged to that guy when his death didn't seem to leave much of an impact on her? Why present the Diana Counter forces (on Earth) as so incompetent that they never felt like a threat to Loran and his mustachioed machine? Overall though I have to emphasize that the show is good, very good, and it is certainly worth a watch.
@DSMadara
@DSMadara 6 месяцев назад
You realize the moon people are new types right?
@kindlingking
@kindlingking 3 месяца назад
They aren't nor they're ment to represent them.
@PaszerDye
@PaszerDye 2 месяца назад
that's like saying the Vagan in Gundam Age are newtypes... which they aren't.
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