BLACK LEGION & ABADDON: NOT SO HARMLESS AFTER ALL | Warhammer 40k Lore 

The Emperors pizza palace

Wait you guys force shy to do something. I thought ist was the other way around?

Sanquinius the bambino got pepperoni’d

After 13 fails Abadon is harmless in my book. He should've be overthrown a long time ago.

New HBO series idea: The Young Primarch. Lorgar is like the Pope, Erebus is like Secretary of State Voiello. Wow, that actually works pretty well.

Ye

even that they forgot to tell about Sigismund death in the first black crusade

And Perturabo always sees the eye of terror. Does that mean he also sees all?

It's even better than that. It says chewed up bones

This was perfect! Did a spit take at work listening to this, as UltraBlueBois is my army :P

was watching for a comment about this, was laughing my ass off when i saw it

Shy's edits are the best

I listen to the podcast on Spotify throughout the day, but when I can I pull it up on RU-vid anyway just to see the edits

Shy's edits were on point this episode.

Shy episode special!!!

*As a word bearer* "That's why you will fail Creed, Abaddon never prayed to the gods. He never pleaded power from them, he never thought to give praise to them. He earned his power, he earned his stripes of honor. You?.." "A human on a backwater fortress world that failed several hundred times, a world that was known for its failure to defend. All to make up for eons worth of failure. We brought the galaxy to it's knees. You?." *Gentleman chuckling* "The Fame you obtained was being a regular meme about hiding a titan in a bush to destroy... Infantry. Hahaha! Not to mention the one that has you commiting utmost amounts of heresy, like riding atop a Tyranid. Hope the inquisition finds you well."

@@kormorgen637 _"I am totally not a pawn of superior powers and it wasn't real Chaos, real Chaos United has never been tried! I was merely pretending being retarded for 10k years!"_

@@nickkorkodylas5005 “I have the symbol of chaos tattooed to my forehead for fashion!”

@@kormorgen637 "We brought the Galaxy to it's knees". You mean you TRIED to for 13 consecutive crusades, with only the most recent one bearing any fruit, and NOW you gain an ego the size of the great rift?

@@stankobarabata2406 dude you clearly dont know what you're talking about out of the 13 crusades only 1 was remotely a fail for abbadon and even then it wasnt that bad . Abbadon and his dark crusades are actually legitimate threat that destroyed plenty of planets.

Hydra Dominatus

Who?

@@CarburetorThompson exactly

That whole bit was hilarious

ah yes steel talon logo

I really hope that's actually lore.

@@ThejollyFrenchman from what i recall, yes it is, terminator armor was discovered from an stc fragment for hazardous enviroment work suit for craftsmen and manual labourers

@@breitve Yes. and its funny to think how space Marines use a upscaled Plumber outfit to take on humanities greatest foes. That sayed, I laugh anytime I remember that most imperial Tanks are just weaponised farming tools, like the whole Rhino line and the Leman Russ variants are just with weak weapons equipped armoured tractors, that the pioneers of the colony-worlds can sheaply produce before building real tanks

and its even on topic for the episode, terminator captains mario and luigi anyone?

@@tumage8592 using a power fist to clean out my toilet

Lost and the Damned is so good, my favorite of the SoT series so far

I do find it funny how Perturabo was the only one who called him out on that shit during the Siege

@@mardonram8673 it really depends on what you are looking for, the Ciaphas Cain Novels are a lot more light hearted and a go to if you want some nice not too gritty guardsman novels. Personally I also love the deathwatch novels ( ESPECIALLY SHADOWBREAKER ). It also depends on which faction you might want to read into. Lastly I would definitely recommend "Belisarius Cawl and the great work" and the "Bequin" novels. Bequin novels are easier to get into but man Cawl's book is so good.

@@mardonram8673 for the guard guants ghosts is quality

I just finished For The Emperor and i *absolutelly loved it* but i don't know what to read next. I heard Eisenhorn and everything involving him is good, especially because he's not really a good guy, he's a hard fucker and an example of how the Inquisition are authoritarian sons of bitches lol, but there's so many books involving the bastard it's kinda overwhelming ;-;. I heard 15 Hours is awesome because you really get how distopyan things are for the Guardsmen, without any sugarcoating or bullshit about how well disciplined and brave they are, in the end they are desperate young people that are totally not ready for this and are mostly treated as cannon fodder and even if they win sometimes lol. I wanted to read Gaunts' Ghosts because i loved the First and Only's aesthetic + Tona Criid looks badass but i heard the books are pretty much just action books that are paced too fast, at least until Necropolis or something, so i want to know if the plots get good and if there's good character development and dialogue etc. Lol there's so much shit to read i just can't decide help.

CADIA STANDS!

Cadia broke before bricky did

I know the fall of cadia is both a major and pretty badass piece of lore but i never got why people are so attached to them, probably because i'm new to the setting or something. And i say that as someone who, if i could afford, would probably become an IG player. I like the story of the fall of cadia, but the regiment itself looks so basic when compared to pretty much all the other's traits and gimmicks. I love the Valhallans because of the Cain books, i took a liking to the Armageddon Ork Hunters cuz of their gimmick and lore, and i'm about to get into the Gaunt's Ghosts books because i like their aesthetic and Tona Criid looks badass and i hope she gets her spotlight in the books lol, and well in the face of all the other regiments i just can't see the appeal of the cadians @.@

@@lovebunny2652 cadia is love because they where the front line to the eye of terror and as such they avoid a lot of world to fall in the first place

@@migrivp2672 I know how important they were and i want to read their books about the fall of cadia and the aftermath, in fact i'm more interested in Cadian Honour because as far as i know the book is about the state of the cadians after losing their world and it has potential to be an interesting story that explores the psychological impact of losing your planet and is probably not just a battle book throwing numbers and explosions everywhere that don't really mean much to the plot. In the end all i'm really saying is that they look rather bland on the surface at least, and the whole "bravest and most disciplined" thing doesn't appeal much to me in a setting in which we have 15 Hours to show how actually fucked and pointless the life in the Guard is. They have that "everyone is a hero" look but the Imperium is most certainly not, in fact every image of them looks like blatant propaganda, and the constant spamming of "cadia broke before the guard did" doesn't actually help lol. And now that i mention it, i hope Gaunt's Ghosts has more to show than just action scenes...

It's literally the only reason

Shy, with the job of being the only competent person, is bloody funny

I'm just constantly seething at the fact that I always miss out on it because I'm listening to these in the background so I can't see it

but for real tho

Also speak of the decanonized Black Crusade... The one that wouldn't have ended up with Cadia going Boom.

@@AAhmou which one? There were 5 other Black Crusades. One that killed Dorn, one that where Tzeench possesed blood angel Captain, and three more.

Running Out of stuff 😅 Am they are taking about 40k so that is Like never going to Happen 🙆🏼‍♂️

Bold of you to assume they’re going to run out

Ah yes the OSS of the Adeptus Astartes.

@@tomschroder7713 soon my brother soon

The twist is that they've ACTUALLY been covering the Alpha Legion all along.

Narnia and john carter of mars would also work.

See also; The Matrix

Flight of dragons is a deep cut that I appreciate

"Wait you called it an isekai, fuck you, but not really haha" I say being held at gunpoint by RU-vid censorship

The Wizard of Oz.

Crystal or not, Eldrad’s arms stayed attached to his body. Lol

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

How do you turn your knees into borax

@@SomeKrieger space elf biology that's how.

Morothrak Bladereaper I am the Borax, I speak for the knees.

Here's the thing though, doesn't GW base the canon outcome of lore battles on the results of official tournament play? So isn't at least some of Abby's bad luck the result of players' matches, as opposed to just uncreative writers?

@@raycearcher5794 while I’m not so sure for 40k, gw tried that to determine the outcome of the end times. It ended with Archaon getting stomped and Grimgor clowning on everyone. They didn’t like this and as a result we got the dumpster fire known as the End Times

Abaddon gets little love it seems from GW. The man successes in so much and yet by the end of it all. Just one failure. Everyone laughs at him. Even after 12 Crusades. People call him a loser. Though he left ruin and death in his wake. Killing Billions on top of billions of souls. Destroyed man worlds. Still, by the end of it. He is Abaddon "The Failure". Fuck even after his 13th Crusade he still gets no love. Even after succeeding in destroying basically the beating heart of the Imperial Guard. He is still seen as someone who dun fucked up. I get it. He is the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy). Seriously, throw him a bone. Doesn't have to be a big one. At least give him a Codex that makes him a badass. Though Choas always gets the shaft when it comes to Codexes.......so I won't hold my breath.

Failbadon

@@Qardo Honestly I think it's because - as a lot of the fandom tends to joke - he just feels so much like he's never gotten out of Horus' shadow. He's the mini-me to Horus' Dr. Evil. Just a tiny stunted version of the big guy everyone remembers and liked; despite what he may, or may not, have actually achieved on his own. Everything about his up front design just reeks way too much of trying to make Horus But More-us and it ultimately harms the entire character because there is a lot of potential for Abaddon. Especially since they can't have him be too successful or too cool, so every defeat not only makes people roll their eyes at how the edgelord lad failed again; but it ultimately brings up direct comparisons to Horus who *nearly* brought the empire to its knees.

Yes they can be made, but it apparently takes between decades and centuries to craft a single suit.

@@habibihabibi7115 yep, as they are absolutly ludacrisly resource intensive. Lore wise these suits can survuve tank shots and even some anti-titan weaponry

The common ones are expensive, think ab the ones for the custodes

@@giuseppe9653 allarus and Aquilon both can be made, but like all custpdian wargear, it is made custom for the custodian.

Not just resource intensive but because the Mechs pray over every nut and bolt they use in its construction.

Tongar never had the makings of a vasity space marine

@@EldenLord1142 Small gene seed was the problem

Baccalus: “Yknow Sicarius predicted all this” Tongar: “What?” Baccalus: “All of it: the empire never truly being at peace, only war.” Tongar: “Sigismund. Cato Sicarius is the master of those smurfs’ honour guard”

Istvan V, whatever happened there?

@@gudboah4688 Phillus Manatardo: WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!

one can only hope

Yeah pretty sus

It's 5 pm for me inthe UK, So pretty muvh as good a time as it could be. I just kick my legs up and listen to these nerds take the piss out of my accent.

Dont know what you mean, 18:00 is perfectly reasonable

@@tumage8592 "time zones"

“From Shame and Shadow Recast, In Black and Gold Reborn.”

They didn't really retconn him, that's the worst part of it I think.

@@papanurgle8393 they didi

@@childrenofthesun471The Necron pylons were hinted at back in the first Eisenhorn book and the crusades having secret agendas has been canon since 2008

No still pretty weak

Dosen't work. Abadon is and stays pathetic

Its when you try way to hard to make a powerful villain that's not overpowered

Hes scary if we take gothic armada into account and his "failed" black crusades do indeed have a different purpose than attacking people, but instead to destroy necron pylons that hold back the eye of terror

I still dont understand why people think he's pathetic. He's literally the warmaster of chaos. He has a lot of warbands at his beck and call. He isn't pathetic, people just take the memes to far. And you can't argue that point with them because "abbadon pathetic, he failed 12 times! He's shit!". Its honestly frustrating.

Also Abaddon could move as fast as a space marine in power armour while wearing terminator armour because he was buff even by space marine standards

@Magnus The Red Alpha Legion gives everyone headaches. They are the legionary version of Tzeentch's realm, nobody can understand their intentions... Sometimes I think not even THEY know their true intentions and loyalties.

This is the happiest wh40k origin yet

@@level1dodo896 too true

Dreadnoughts, the wheelchairs of Dark Age of Technology :P

Let's not speak about the fact Horus' Clone stood against a couple of demons, a sorcerer and his rubriks, a couple of squads of Marines also an Eldar assassin. It was during that mess that Abaddon took the opportunity to bring him down.

also for some reason the fulgrim clone in trazyn's collection *does* have the special warp sauce

​@Imperial Guardsman my headcannon on that is that his spirit still lives in the warp, so by perfectly recreating his body his spirit just went home. Kind of how Dark Eldar ressurection works, actually. But less icky. But Horus' soul was annihilated by the emperor, so even if you get the body right, the empowering spirit won't come back.

@@SymbioteMullet yeah, there's a theory that all primarch souls are warp entities, so should you make the body, their spirit will comr back, save for the ones that had the big lightshow when they died, IE Ferrus, Sanguinius and Alpharius AKA Possibly Omegon

A local Inquisitor is on his way to you now.

The red corsairs is waaaay cooler then the black legion.._

Thousand Sons are superior

@@GarmrsBarking hhmmmm

Because they are? After UM has been turnes into an unlikable faction with unlikable characters basically any other chapter, faction seem more interesting.

Nah, it was designed to protect reactor repairmen if I remember correctly

You're thinking of Imperial Knights. Terminator Armor was basically the dark age of technology equivalent to a super Hazmat suit that was designed for mechanics doing repairs on active fusion reactors (which is insane).

@@habibihabibi7115 Imagine what the gooood shit was

@@cadenglass1387 I once saw a pretty cool rendition of dark age terminator armor. Looks like some Star Wars shit. Like a really, really angry, roided up stormtrooper.

@@cadenglass1387 images.app.goo.gl/ZDsYo32zPSz18Sxw7 I think this is the one

This literally how people expected Thanos to die before Endgame, but with Antman, _and not through the ear..._

@@THExRISER LMAO)

Your girlfriend is badass!

>Ascension >A PSYKER in ascension Psykers are gods at level 1, howre you acting like 20+ levels MORE of godhood is really impressive?

@@brosephnoonan223 By clever application of god-like abilities, of course)

"yeah vulkan held a 7 ton lizard for 3 days while hanging off a cliff"

Theyll never do Alpha Legion. You need to actually know what your talking about, otherwise all conversations devolve into "I am Alpharious and/or Omegon" meme reguritation. Trust me, Im Alpharious.

@@brosephnoonan223 So this was a fucking lie

@@heavystalin2419 He's Alpharius Or Omegon

So he's one of the lower four with Malal?

@@jbark678 malal doesnt exist tho

@@jbark678 He might be, he might be between the four and the lower four. We don't know The last time anyone actually fought him was when it took The Emperor to get him out of the collapsed Imperial Webway

People joke that he's a bitch because Drach'nyen occasionally cuts him, but anybody else would be taken over the moment they touched that sword. Fulgrim, a fucking Primarch, got taken over by a Greater Daemon while Abbadon has been wielding a _God_ for ten thousand years with only a few minor incidents. This man has a will that makes steel look like a bitch.

@@bloodfartmoon2765 That's exactly what he wants you to think!

He also killed his father in the same manner he swore to avenge him.

I imagine that ork has a oni mask and has that big japanese war club

Orks would be the only thing that could seriously pull that off. The rest of 40k has so much edge it cuts your unborn grandchildren and orks literally survive by the power of God and anime. The more over the top the greater the chance of succeeding in unforseen ways.

But don’t forget that the only reason the 13th one succeeded was because Abby happened to have a blackstone fortress.

@@mapleflag6518 and where did he get it? Oh right a Black Crusade

I would like to thank the academy for my ability to get highlighted twice 🏆🥈

Pineapple pizza Fuck yall it's my favourite one Now give

double cheese with kiwi

@@user-cu4ru1om5t tempted now

It’s because he is Alpharius.

@@cryamistellimek9184 WE are Alpharius

@@dfs3537 yes we are

@@Hammer_Of_Olympia No, I AM ALPHARIUS

Probably came with it’s own worker’s union paperwork. I can already imagine some working stiff being asked if he’s terminator armor certified.

I thought it was a bit ambiguous, in that a lot of different factions had different ideas about them. I know that the Eldar think that they're created by Vaul but I didn't think that was confirmed

Maybe they were created by a Vaal? Like maybe an old one bore that name first? Just occurs to me because we know the Eldar were created by the old ones. But even that is stretching it.

It's implied the dragon survived the attack but was weakened by the eldar fortresses, the exact reference escapes me but it has something to do with inquisitor hoth.

@@thomasmacabee8361 from what ive read he did survive but was turned into shards like the other c'tan a big void dragon shard might be the one the emperor trapped inside mars

If Abby didn’t have that Blackstone fortress the 13th black crusade would have been a total failure.

True! It's even supported in the really really really really old lore

How do you properly say his name?

@@dorukhanozen2580 Yabba Dabbadon

@@brosephnoonan223 Who would be the BoBo standing next to Yabba Dabbadon ?

@@dorukhanozen2580 It's pronounced "Kyle"

>The best loyalist is the head of the chaos faction >Hes the best loyalist because he can literally only beat OTHER chaos guys

Spire ? Wasn't he in the ciphas Cain series

@@sodagod4709 He was a main protagonist of a game "Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 1&2". BG:A1 was during 12th Black Crusade and BG:A2 was a little after the fall of Cadia. During BG:A1 he was a captain of Dauntless Class Light Cruiser and after several battles with chaos was promoted to Admiral and tasked with defending the Gothic Sector from Abaddon. After 12th Black Crusade failed the madlad gave chase after Abaddon into the Immaterium. When he emerged it was a Little over 800 years and he heard a distress signal coming from Cadian Sector. Of course, he isn't canon, but damn, Such a wasted opportunity.

Ive been a fan for years and i still feel like im a beginner. Theres sooo much lore, helps work go by faster.

Abs wasn't juiced when he and his men put down the Horus clone, he only gets Warp-crack after Uralan.

would be .... but they too often forget important lore about Black Templars.

Elaborate?

@@tomschroder7713 They all accomplished at least most of the goals they set out to do. They weren't all just catastrophic failures like the internet implies

@@deanprowell7947 And didn’t Abbadon get his ass handed to him at the end of each one?