Horus and Abaddon - What Was The Difference? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

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Basically, since Horus was balder, he achieved higher form of evil than Abbadon and as such did more damage to the Imperium

Horus’ fall is just so sad. After all, we got stuck with Abaddon.

One of the best versions of abaddon we ever saw was in the saturnine novel. He wanted to topple the emperor but hated all the warp bullshit, demons etc and actually planned stuff out

Horus was also a very cunning politician, but the feeling of abandonment by the emperor and the beaurocrats who were annoying him slowly turned him sour. For example, the beaurocrats wanted to collect taxes from worlds, which have just been conquered. This stupidity and shortsighted demeanor by the senate gave him the impression, that his labor would be ruined. When he was about to die, he told his remembrancer that it should've been Sanguinius instead of him being Warmaster. He described him as a wise man who knew how to conquer in order to rule afterwards.

I have been playing Dawn of war dark crusade a lot recently, and after a lot of the dialogue and cutscenes, I think: "Eliphas the inheritor is the chaos lord Abaddon wishes he was"

Simple: Horus was competent for Chaos, while Abbadon is competent for the Imperium.

When Abaddon's solution towards Cadia was "throw a big rock at it", it didn't salvage him, from being the armless.

Honestly, they really should show us Abaddon getting shit done and having interesting interactions instead of always jst telling him how badass he's supposed to be. Show us more of him being a proud warrior who respects strength and honours fallen enemies who possessed it (Sigismund and those Blood Angels who got thrones made out of black legion skulls as graves/monuments). Also, when Horus entered the gate of Molech after becoming a traitor he came back looking visibly older, as a primach! That means he spend thousand and thousand of years in the warp during that time.

Horus is way, way more God like. He is essentially perfect in every aspect. This is made pretty clear in Horus rising

Abaddon calls Horus a weakling because he failed to take over the Imperium. But Abaddon past conquest shows that he's even worse than Horus since Abaddon had a huge asset that Horus never had, a daemonic force. These forces can be applied in both battlefield and subterfuge which give a nasty surprise to the Imperium since it has time to fester instead of being rushed. The Grey knight or the Inquisition may have been active in thwarting his scheme for ten millennia. But these incursions always resulted in the purging of a world which is far from the warzone. Ten Millennia of the long war just to bring the rift into the galaxy might've been a good idea, if it was done earlier and not been part of the Emperor's plan. How many veterans of the long war have to die anyway just to bring it? At this point, it's likely that his Black Legion is no longer composed and run by Astartes who've fought during the heresy. Even if the 'veterans' are still in charge they're probably becoming more delusional than ever before since they're in a war against everyone, including their own legion. Currently, he's stuck at Vigilus and even being fooled by Calgar just because he wants a duel with his flagship at stake. He did leave Vigilus and still planning to make another invasion of the surrounding system. But what's the point of the invasion if knowing Vigilus is the vital point. I'm starting to think that whatever tale Khayon said to the inquisition might've been just a glorified version of what really happening. At this point, the Chaos Gods might've been planning to replace him with someone else because they didn't get the second coming of Horus, but the second coming of Belakor. Even if they never want him to win, it even shows that Abaddon isn't using the dark gods for his personal gains, he's just a slave who is unaware of his own leashes.

Horus is like Morgoth and Abbadon is like sauron

The concept that Horus could have been a mistake by the Chaos gods is kind of humorous, that he might have been to good at his job. If Horus wins and the extermination of the galaxy happens. Chaos loses everything. Stagnation and war are what feed them, not annihlation. So Abaddon being incompentant plays into Chaos's hands a bit more. Just good enough to keep shit going, but not great enough to win. Almost like an endless proxy war.

He actually got the talon from the OG horus body. He simply just killed the clone broke Horus' big mace and left.

Horus dealt a blow so powerful to the Imperium that it hasn't recovered 10 000 years later. He could fight Big E one on one as a reasonable threat, even if Big E was holding back. Amongst his brothers, he was considered one of the best duelist, most talented leaders and best strategists. Abaddon has made 13 attempts so far and the latest one, his "stroke of genius", made the Imperium be lead by a demigod and the greatest astartes living legend, reinvigorated their armies with the primaris, brought an archmagos to innovate across the board, made Big E and his daemons far more active in the galaxy, united the eldar, had them awaken their greatest weapon against chaos and motivated the necrons into increasing the number of Blanks in the galaxy. All this pyrrhic victory cost him were multiple irreplaceable archeotech superweapons, and he still thinks it was worth it.

Although Abaddon definitely doesn’t live up to his Primarch, Majorkill is being somewhat unfair to him when discussing that it took 9 years for Horus to siege Terra vs 10K for Abbadon to destroy Cadia. Horus was the Imperial Warmaster and held the upmost trust of the Emperor until his declaration of Rebellion and also his allies were mostly full strength, organized and disciplined Legions whose Primarchs was only starting to sip the Chaos Kool-Aid, alongside all of the other big advantages that Horus held. Abaddon on the other hand had only a wounded Legion, his Primarch allies were either dead or bathing in the Kool-aid and focused on their own thing, and most of the Traitor legions where weakened and broke into war bands, with only the Black Legion, Death Guard, and Iron Warriors bearing any semblance of unity and cohesion. The best examples of this being the World Eaters and Emperor’s children, with Angron caring only for harvesting Skulls for the Skull throne and Fulgrim somewhere in the Warp jerking himself off and snorting the souls of the Damned like Super Crack, while their respective Legions broke down into Warbands doing basically the same thing as their Primarch. Even the Death Guard and Iron Warriors are suseceptible to this, with Mortarion and Typhus butting heads, and the Iron Warriors fighting their own Civil War. So yes, Abaddon may lack the Genius and battle prowess his Father had, but even if Horus was able survive the Heresy and remain Warmaster of Chaos, he would have had a very hard time thanks to his former allies turning insane and disorderly and the fact that he lost everything that brought him so close to victory the first time around, so maybe not 10K years as it did Abaddon, but he still would have taken a very long time to achieve the same milestone has his successor did in the real timeline.

Well, Horus brought the Imperium to its knees in 9 years, killing trillions, responsible for killing two primarchs one directly the other indirectly, and mortally wounding the Emperor himself. Horus welcomed any and all challenges from calling out Lorgar to try something when Lorgar was eyeing Horus's position of leadership to going toe to toe with Russ and before his end faced down the Emperor himself. Abaddon however, has spent over 10,000 years trying to get through the front door(Cadia) from the eye of terror, most significant victories are against a wounded and exhausted clone Horus which was almost a tie, an aged and out of prime and exhausted Sigismud who still essentially mortally wounded him, a necron pylon weakened Celestine who survived anyway, and a Primaris Calgar though stupidly left him to live just like with Nathaniel Garro and Garviel Loken. Abbadon however lost to Eldrad, refused a challenge by Azrael of the Dark Angels when called out, and Eikos Lamiad beat him in less than a minute. Basically, they are the same person.

Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be a cool video ngl.

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I think one of the biggest problems with GW writing chaos (aside from the fact that chaos corruption only affects like 2 major races in the entire setting) is they focus too much on Abadon. In fantasy there's been multiple ever-chosen in the past leading different chaos incursions, In 40k there was 13 black crusades and they were all Abadon. And most of his writing feels like lazy preteen I have the best OC do not steal author bias. I've heard people saying Haarken or one of the traitor primarchs should be the war master. Personally I like the idea of Lorgar being the warmaster, his whole power set is based around leadership and creating a cult and imagine the impact of having a massively powerful character in the modern setting be the weakest primarch.

“A primarch can one shot a space marine like I can one shot a 4 year old with a roundhouse kick to the dome.” I can only assume he’s speaking from experience.

Do ya reckon you could do a video on Abandons relationships with the other traitor Primarchs. Always wondered why none of them became warmaster

I think Horous’ fall could have made a lot more sense if he had been in the coma for a lot longer. 1000+ years. They could even have used it as a means to have a whole book about what was happening in his mind during that period. Chaos could have shown him the imperium falling without him as the leader, and how the imperium would flourish under his rule. During this time, Horus’ is eventually worn down and succumbs, but it isn’t some snap of the finger thing as it is in current lore.

Horus despite being a a failure fucked the imperium into being a crippled mess for over 10,000 years in a war that lasted 7 years Abbadon was given similar resources and 10,000 years and couldn’t break a guard regiment

Horus is like a ceo of a billion dollar company. Abbadon is like an assistant to the assistant manager

Everyone's debating Horus vs Abbadon, and I'm just over here like, "can we please collect all the relics and get Vulkan back?"

There was a lunar wolf commander who was nicknamed little horus who also fell to chaos

Abbadon had the Talon of Horus before he killed the Horus clone. He had it in stasis with the Emperor's blood still on it. Iskandar Khayon nearly passed out from the psychic backlash when Abbadon dropped the stasis field. Per Talon of Horus book if I remember. Horus clone still had Worldbreaker though.

I think we can all agree when Erebus ran and hid like a 🚺🐶Chaos was “phuck, there goes our plan B all the way to Y so I guess Abaddon it is.”

One thing I remember in diference between Abbadon and Horus is the way they defeat powerfull enemies. Abbadon could kill Sigismund on combat with the help of Drach'nien sword and time itself( Sigismund had 1,5k years at the time) while Horus kill Sanguinus on combat and almost mortally wounded the Emperor of Mankind. Horus was a great leader and warrior, Abbadon is just a strong warrior.

I think you explained Horus' motivations better in this vid than I've heard before. Horus' sin was pride and ambition, he wanted to be in charge. But he was loyal to the Emperor, so he needed to believe that the Emperor had become or was becoming corrupt, so that he could justify stepping in to "fix" things. And then he would be the hero and number 1.

Abaddon took the talon off Horus' body, not his clone...infact, he used the talon to wreak world breaker, in his fight with the clone...

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I like to think if the emperor was able to rid the chaos gods grip on Horus, then the heresy could’ve ended better for the imperium. Just remember it’s Erebus’s and lorgar’s fault

dude, abbadon didnt loot the claw from horus's clone's corpse. abbadon had it in stasis since horus was killed, and he even KILLED the clone with it

Biggest difference: Horus - A well made and fleshed out character. Abbadon - Just another random big bad strong evil guy.

Abandon crashing a Blackstone fortress into Acadia is literally Ork tier battle tactics. Literally pulled the ole crash your attack moon into the planet.

TBH Majorkill, you actually made Abandon sound like quite the interesting character in this video.

Not strong as a Primarch? Even with chaos buff? Explain Luther beating the Lion in 1 v 1 that should had been an extremely easy victory for Lion, but didn’t and was taken down

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Abbadon is kinda like Lord Harkon from Skyrim. Pursuing a goal that will completely fuck up everything if actually achieved.

Abaddon took the talon from Horus dead body, not from the clone. He shows it to his bro's when they find him on the vengeful spirit.

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Now we need Archaon the Everchosen vs Abaddon video.

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Abaddon certainly feels like a "If I were writing Horus this is how I'd do it" kind of character cause he seems to rule through nothing but brute force but the story keeps talking about how smart and clever he is to not let the chaos god own his soul like all the other demon Primarks and I get how from the perspective of a imperium story that's all he has to be a big scary dude in black that will kill everyone if he succeeds but it really seems like he wins cause the story says he should and in a way the black legion (Something in universe should be the most horrifying threat to that galaxy a combined force of any traitor legion, God, or cult all brought together under one banner and is coordinated enough to not just dissolve into infighting like other war bands) have become the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarines in levels of basic

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Hours succeeded a dozen times before failing. Abandon failed a dozen times before kind of sort of getting a result that isn't a total failure.

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Weak things must be crushed says the guy who teleports away when he gets slapped

Horus had arms. There, video done.

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After watching this I've committed heresy in thinking abaddon is a better "bad guy"

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Abbadon believing the emperor to be weak really gave my head the go to just imagine them in the Raiden punching Armstrong meme kekw

Could you do a video on the tensions on the first born or how there slowly going to slowly fade away

Happy birthday Major!

video of non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl

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Hello Majorkill. I've been a pretty consistent enjoyer of your videos, but this video has been off the nose. I highly suggest you read Talon of Horus and Black Legion. I'm not going to cover every single point, but here are a few things. Abbadon did not recover the Talon of Horus from the clone. He already had it by then and stabbed the Talon into Horus. Abbadon is highly charismatic. This is made particularly evident in both Talon of Horus and Black Legion. He's got a sense of humor, is convincing, and is an excellent manipulator. Additionally, you're entirely missing the point of the Long War. It is painfully reiterated, over and over, that the Long War is never supposed to be won quickly. In Talon of Horus and Black Legion, it is constantly repeated that the Eye of Terror is a complete shithole; they can barely produce their stuff - warbands are continually fighting each other, and there are scant few places in which cohesion is assured... even amongst the Black Legion. This is the reality for traitors after the Horus Heresy. They're forced to endure a Long War because, unlike Horus, who had half the damn Imperium at his back, Abbadon is stuck in a pocket shithole filled with daemons, his forces are constantly bickering, and for this and a myriad other reasons, the Long War is meant to be extended. I know some of his interpretations haven't been good across other books. However, I implore you to read the books about the Black Legion before talking about the Black Legion. Keep up the good work, otherwise.

Huron blackheart should rip Abby in half and become the new warmaster, he would be the better leader and actually has a reason to want vengeance on the uncaring imperium

Have to be honest, I think Abaddon is more of a man than Horus, or any of the other Astartes or Primarchs. I have respect for anyone who doesn't bow down to anyone because of "duty" or some other nonsense. Ask yourself this; would you rather be the actual leader of your own Galaxy wide empire or be nothing more than a sacrificial puppet to a dead guy who killed his previous employees? Say what you want about Abaddon, but I believe he is simply using the Chaos gods to his own benefit, not the other way around. Every man who has fought him is either dead from battle or old age, yet Abaddon still lives. Sounds like he's winning to me

There are times that I think Chaos would be cool and I’m tempted to build a Chaos army. Then I see stuff like this and realize, the Imperium isn’t that bad.

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Horus was goal -oriented, whereas Abaddon cares more about brand recognition and has spent the last 10,000 years on pinterest and deviantart and being social media influencer.

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The part with a Primarchs soul being a bound minor warp god is still entirely speculative.

Happy belated birthday my guy

Abandon: sees a fortress to take and thinks ‘yeah that should be an easy win’ 1 failed taking later Abbadon: eff it, drop this expensive as heck thing on it. Also I recommend you do a reaction video to this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sq_rih_8Um8.html

so a desire for anarchy is the only way to seemingly balance Chao within ones self is what you sound like your saying at the end and it makes sense is this by design in the video if so kudos for the head cannon insight

Can u please make a video about imperial ships,great video btw

Just a quick correction: Abbadon took the Talon on his father's corpse after he got deleted by the Emperor. So he got it legit imo. x)

I will die on this hill perty would be a better warmaster and lorgar is probably the only person that could unite chaos into an empire that could rival the imperium. I am so confused why gw is having both these awesome characters on the sidelines.

It's funny how I watched Darth Gandalf's video the other day and now this comes out.

Horus was a diplomat, which is why teh Big E chose him to mediate his brothers. But he was not a politician/governor, which is what caused him such issues that allowed him to fall.

Can we get a video on the difference between Archaon and Abaddon?

Dispite your efforts, I'm actually a fan of Abbys because of this video, I understand him more. Good vid

The big difference between the two is simple Abaddon: ''Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it!'' Horus is the driver of one of those cars :p

What Warhammer 40k faction do you think the Big E rolls for table top? Imma go with the Tau.

"Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away"

Also please cover the Sabbat worlds crusade

I'm only just now realizing what an amazing tactical failure Cadia would have been under literally almost any other circumstance. Abaddon takes a Blackstone Fortress - basically an almost-Death-Star, a straight up make planets go away gun if I understand it right - and throws it at a planet. Sacrificing an entire mobile planet-killer that could have gone most anywhere and deleted enemy worlds for him, just to bring down one. If the benefit had been anything less than "the galaxy cracks in half" that's a spectacular level of failure.

I love the idea that The Emprah abandoned the crusade to paint minis in his room.

With a guy like Abaddon on the reigns, Malice/Malal should be having a field day

Holy shit I'm here a minute after it being released sure is a shame I'm in class and don't have my headset-

*cries in tabletop Abaddon vs tabletop Primarchs*

I love how he thinks the emperor is weak the guy who could fry him in an instant.

Horus was a sock puppet (of c*m sock I the case of Slanesh) for Chaos whereas Abbadon is a Marionette (or elaborate voyeurism sub because again, Slanesh) whether you see the hand or not, it's still there.

From my perspective Horus became a moron because he’s salty about daddy, but Abaddon became a moron because he is one.

Please do an echoes of eternity video. Especially on the primarch battle

Happy birthday buddy