We got a hint that Kano killed Blue Morpho way back in season 1. "Those hands of his are strong enough to crush a boulder, yet delicate enough to crush a butterfly." Then Kano hands Dean a blue butterfly.
Also when team ventures is drugged by Mother's gas, you see kano having his head spinning in his hallucinations. Maybe the gas gave him vision of what he did to his friend.
What's messed up here is that Jonas went to get Blue Morpho's body for his "experiment" and left The Monarch out in the wilderness to fend for himself. Dude was a real psychopath.
@@B1SCOOP Rusty is a clone - Helper Mk 2 tells Dean such by accident, mistaking their identities. But I don't think Rusty's a clone of himself - I think he's a modified clone of Malcolm. Note how The Monarch is healthy, spry, and has all of his hair. Rusty's dealing with balding, a tumor-turned-brother, and health concerns. They're very close to the same age, since they went to college together. Dr. Venture got Monarch's mom pregnant, passed the resulting child off as Malcolm, likely swiped DNA and very well could've made Rusty. Note there's never any mention of Rusty's mom, *ever*.
I hadn't even thought about this, but yeh the super scientist couldn't be fucked to find his illegitimate son in the crash. That is true evil, not what Dr. Z did. He gave Vendata a true new life as his own entity. This show has so many dark layers, and soon... More will unfold.
Considering Jonas Venture Sr. is the owner of the whole compound and makes the place run, that means not only did he bring back the Blue Morpho as a shadow of his former self, stuck in a cybernetic body and a slave to programming, but when Kano broke him again, Jonas just THREW HIM IN THE DUMPSTER. Jonas threw a "close friend" into the fuckin' dumpster with his body parts still inside there. Not to mention the suit was obviously the only thing keeping him alive and got broken by Kano, his internal organs probably would have rotted away inside there if Doctor Z hadn't found him.
And for some reason, I think Sovereign knew who Vendata was (and kept quiet about it all til the very end of his life) nevermind the probability of him having the same theory as Red Death re: the Movie Night Massacre on Gargantua 1 and made him a Councilman of the Guild out of sympathy and respect
Fun fact, Vendatta didn’t really hit the switch that caused the massacre, The Sovereign did in a shapeshifted form! It was his only way to usurp Jonas (Force Majure), while making it look like a team of rogue guild members were responsible.
Kano's silence was a choice because "He had taken from this world a great man" which was implied that he killed Dr. Venture. Now its explained that the person who he killed was the Blue Morpho. How cool that they put in this subtle reference.
It rather bugs me how the writers created the implication that he was referring to Dr.Venture. I mean Brock accuses him of killing Dr Venture to protect the Orb and Kano doesn't try to deny it. Kano could have easily denied it without mentioning who he DID kill, but the writers wanted to create that false implication for the audience... Not to mention that Brock was under the belief that Dr Venture was killed in the movie night massacre by sphinx (Though that makes me suspect their might have been some minor retconning inbetween seasons)
also he referred to the creation as "one sexy makeover" i dont think he regretted that first encounter. also i think rusty may have always been a shit. he didnt seem happy in the flashback while watching the monarch play with that toy car and when venturion attacked rusty was burning ants .
It’s speaks a lot to team ventures credit that they actually ridiculed Jonas for turning Morpho into a puppet. A lot of people act like they were just as bad as Jonas but they really weren’t.
Kinda makes you wonder what Jonas had over them to keep them in line. Obviously he blackmailed Kano with the threat of ruining Blue Morpho's life (which he did anyway, just in a different way) to keep the big guy loyal, but how did he keep the likes of Action Man and Colonel Gentleman in line? I'm not saying it's impossible that they worked with him entirely willingly, but Jonas was already the type to apply leverage against others...
Ichiyama22 well action man was high all the time and Gentleman was a sex addict so I don’t think they really payed much mind to his atrocities most of the time.
Yea I think that Jonas provided Action Man with his drugs. As for Colonel Gentleman, he probably black mailed him with the knowledge that he was gay. Gentlemen wasn’t out in the open till relative modern day.
@@Moffles0919 Gentleman isn't gay. If a word should be used to describe his sexuality, I'd say omnisexual would be the most accurate. Guy is willing to fuck anything that moves and I'm willing to bet quite a few things that don't.
Blue Morpho/Venturion/Vendata storyline is one of the saddest character stories I've ever seen in a show. I'm now starting to suspect Jonas caused the plane to crash because Blue Morpho was starting to resist Jonas' orders. Also notice in the flashback, Rusty is burning ants and stealing, both cruel behaviors, and he ate his twin. I wonder if Malcom was supposed to be the good brother, and Rusty the villain, like Dr. Killinger suggested.
@@25shadow11 monarch was already a bad guy by this time. Bad guys cant arch each other. That's why the monarch had to take on the blue morpho disguise last season.
@Danite Ghost And looking at the Monarch in his run as Blue Morpho, that was probably the most successful we've ever seen the Monarch. He's a natural hero.
Danite Ghost we know he’s slept with at least two to three girls, Dermott’s mom, Hank’s mom (at the very least since I’m not sure if Dean might just be a clone or what right now), and the crazy bitch.
Seeing how perturbed Dr.Z was when he saw the blue morpho's brain, contemplating putting him out of his misery before ultimately turning him into a weapon against Jonas, says a smidge more about his moral and ethical boundaries for the supervillain when compared to the former. Also, team venture's vocal distaste towards Jonas's desecration of a dear friend's corpse implied far too many things about the man
Z often blurs the line a little bit. I remember back in his Johnny Quest days, he wants to release a green renewable energy source of pure ethanol made by mutant insects, but only after he conquers the world with said insects.
From what we've all seen, I think it can be assumed that Jonas was (and *is*) the monster of this series.The more we learn the depths this guy would sink to, the more we see how bad he really was.
Tara Alexander yes he’s bad, but that’s because he has no morals or ethics. It’s not like he wants to hurt people it’s just that he can’t rationalize that’s what he’s doing, he only sees himself and what he can benefit from stuff. It’s not malicious but bad regardless.
Sounds like just as Kano snapped Venturion's head off, Venturion was saying, "problem solved." And you can see "directive: protect" reappear just as he lets go of Rusty.
To make this even more tragic, I think that Jonas didn't do this out of the "goodness" of his heart...reviving Blue Morpho into Venturion was just another experiment, another project. He didn't save him, he used Blue Morpho's corpse to once again show off his smarts.
@@speshulgurlee And he got bored of Venturion within a month, letting him do menial labor, like walking a dog. The council of 13 maybe villains...but Jonas was a monster.
i kinda wonder if its that+ Jonas probably wanted to keep BM doing his dirty work as before, except now he could just be controlled directly now as a robot
"Some bungler dropped dime and I got pinched on a narco rap" Dr. Z not arrested for being a superscience villain menace, but rather for coke trafficking. Leave it to VB to treat villains so poetically Capone.
In singapore too, they were probably going to execute him. They don't fuck with narcotics of any kind over there. Heavy handed but hey, fewer meth heads is better for everyone
@@satoshikatsumoto9007 Whats really interesting is that in the world of Venture Bros, super villains like Dr Z would have made very scary real world crime lords, and some of them did.
Another hint to Rusty being a clone is that the date on Venturion's view says 1977, and Rusty looks about 10 years old, when in the Spanakopita episode flashback we saw that Rusty was around the same age ten years earlier, in the late 1960s.
Interesting how as the years passed the rest of team Venture began to mature but Jonas stayed the same. They started to grow apart from Jonas, which explains why they weren't in Gargantua-1 movie night massacre.
I know this is 6 months late, but the only reason the team wasn't at the massacre was that they were late. Hell the only reason Jonas is still alive in any capacity, is because the team retrieved his body from space and put his head in the PROBLEM machine.
I love everyone who is pointing out all the intricate details surrounding this character and how they've been alluded to and woven around. I also love that Dr. Z just installed a "Good/Evil" switch on his noggin.
I love how more and more the series goes, we see how shitty Jonas Venture SR really is. Originally it was just nepotism, now Rusty’s feelings are completely justified
Everyone focuses on him choking Rusty, but no one talks about how he thought he was crashing the plane that would take his wife and make him Jonas’ newest toaster.
It’s even sadder when you realize that’s his last memory, even after being turned into Vendata. In Bot Seeks Bot when he’s broken in the bathroom, the last thing he says is “I think the plane is going down.” Meaning he’s essentially in his own head practically re-living his death every time that the Blue Morpho breaks through all of his programming as Venturion/Vendata
@@BusterJones9506 Tragic is how it resolves itself, implying that Jonas made sure he couldn't remember, for better or worse. Right as Kano takes his head off, the screen goes back to "Directive: Protect," stops bugging out, and he says something like "Problem resolved" or the like.
It makes me sad whenever Malcom Cries in the flashbacks. He was just trying to have fun and spend time with his family, but sadly like his dad, he too was met with the misfortune of Jonas's cruel and selfish behaviour which lead to the loss of his family and his unsettling transition into becoming the Monarch.
Lets be perfectly honest here. If all it took to make Vendatta "Evil" was the installation of a minimally invasive switch on the back of his brain casing... ...Jonas had ALREADY incorporated the ability to program Vendatta to do and act however his handler pleased
It just occurred to me that there's a chance Sovereign/"Bowie" knew who Vendata once was and assuming if he did cause the massacre, he offered him a seat on the Council and omitted the Blue Morpho notes from the Guild. There really is no coincidence for why Don/BM/Venturian/Vendatta ended up as Councilman 1.
@@Flarflenugen If that isn't a PRIME example of calamitious intent, after all, what is? Even if it was arguably an accident..... so much carnage. so much death.
All it took was one bad decision to set the man once known as the Blue Morpho on this path. He cheated on his wife, wound up being blackmailed by Jonas for years because of it, and to top it all off Malcom, as it turns out, is actually Jonas' son instead of his. And that's not to mention how he was used even after death like a toy. And all it took was one night. One tape. And one horrible excuse for a friend.
@@Lonelyweirdo96 you can definitely hate Jonas, because Malcolm meeting Jonas was the worst day of Malcolms life, and the catalyst to what he eventually became.
It's bad to recover the body of the friend whose life you ruined and turn him into an abomination, but that also means he didn't bother to look for his friend's son, whose body was surely not there.
that's after he either seduced or r worded Blue Morpho's wife. we don't know which. We just know in the flash back, BM was wondering if he was infertile not her, Jonas leared at her picture and said "hey, bring her around my science is potent..." After everything we've found out that Jonas did, do you really think he wouldn't simply take what he wanted?
It seems to be implied that the clones have to age in real time. So he could have cloned him as a baby. He also wouldn’t have the memory backups, which he gets from the learning beds.
@@matt_1984_Given the whole situation, it wouldn't shock me if he did rape the Morpho's wife. I mean, I'm sure he didn't hold her down and rape her, but I can certainly see him manipulating her or even drugging her.
@@gentlemanmaniac9992 The Action Man was not good with anyone, he is easily the worst after Jonas himself, well at least he has the excuse that that whole super-soldier thing probably messed his mind like it did with Hatred.
@@joethehero2 yes, I think so plus whatever trauma he also got working for that fucker Jonas, he was a still a POS responsible for a lot of the things Rusty went through.
Love that Venture was more perplexed that his team expressed distain over his "accomplishment" instead of praise. Makes you released Rusty, while still fucked up, is still more of a human being than his father.
That's the beauty of failure. If Rusty had been rhe successful super scientist he always wanted to be, he would have been exactly like Jonas. Instead, through his failure, he was able to be a much, much better father and friend.
And that they thought he was cool. Like, really, Dr. Z saw his worth while Jonas was happy to throw him away. Yes, he was horrified, but he also saw this cool, amazing robot and saw its potential. That is so much more than Jonas did
@@milliganpaul7900 I still say thats the case, even after all that they did to him, he (as Vendata) probably still remembered his hatred for Jonas, even if he couldnt remember why the hatred existed. So he orchestrated his death in a sort of subconscious manner. Dr Z was only a piece of the puzzle, restoring him to functionality.
What's funny to me is how *incompetent* these heroes and villains are often portrayed. They're ridiculous, flawed in ways well beyond literature, and often just straight up act like dude-bros, party animals, or just depression-targets. But what do we see? Dr Z snagged for a drug bust. Presumably he's going into a super-max prison with damn near nothing to work with, and he busts out. He doesn't say he did his time or got released or anything. He "escaped". When compared with the day to day world, these goofballs are actually still a legitimate force to be reckoned with. It puts things in perspective when you're otherwise desensitized and see them all as walking jokes.
The funny thing is I really do believe Jonas could have easily "saved his friend's life" at the very least by making him a replica of his old body and preserving as much of his original thoughts and memories as possible, but he instead chose to wipe his memory clean, dress him up in a Halloween costume and parade him around like a toy with the Venture logo slapped onto him. I also know there's the whole debate of whether or not "bringing him back" in the first place was even the right thing to do, seeing as how Blue Morpho didn't ask for any of this, especially since Jonas didn't even do the same thing for his wife. It's pretty crazy how the stuff he didn't do makes Jonas as much of a monster as the stuff he already did.
Because Jonas is the kind of guy who puts himself first, EVERY TIME. There’s never a moment where Jonas is actually putting someone else first, not even Rusty. And he’s such a good gaslighter and manipulator that he makes everyone think he’s the hero. He treats his friends and family as experiments, he manipulates and tortures people, he leaves kids to die in dangerous situations, and then he turned his friend into a roboslave after blackmailing him for years… Rusty may be completely ignorant about Hank and negligent towards Dean’s mental health, but Jonas was downright manipulative and malicious. Fuck Jonas.
And then throughout the whole thing, he forces the Blue Morpho's friends to bare witness to it all. They had to let him basically be a toy to Jonas until Kano finally had an excuse to put him out of his misery
@@KellyCalKelsey Knowing what a glib sociopath Jonas already was about ruining lives and engineering nightmares, I can't imagine the kind of thing's he'd come up with for OSI after waking up completely severed from all sensation, and with only his own thoughts for company.
@@gentlemanmaniac9992 to double that, Not all can be blamed on Jonas. I mean... yeah... like a good... 60? 70? percent of it. But other then that, Rusty, The Guild and The Investors were to blame.
Four years later: No, it's not just that. Dr. Z didn't inherit his super scientists or amazing venture capitalists parents money. That dude built an evil empire starting with nothing but will. Man is my god damned hero.
When Action Man is disgusted by your actions, you know you're beyond help. Also Dr.Z got sent to a SuperMax for cocaine possession must be some strict laws in Singapore.
Bhahaha I want to see more of the arch Dr. Z did on Jonas. Lol, the army of Helpers shooting at Jonas with Dr. Z riding some big machine and laughing menacingly. Now that’s an arch right there!
@@BokanProductions You know, I always forget that detail. Adds a fun element to the fact that they were on the council together with how Z programmed Vendatta.
I know Johnny Quest is an actually character in this show... But what happened here is Doctor Benton Quest went into the dark side and brought back to life his friend, the Green Hornet, as a cyborg, much to the disapproval of Allan Quartermain, with the technology later used by Omni Comsumer Products and the underfunded Detroit Police Department.
I'm pretty sure the good/evil switch is just a joke but i want to believe Jonas just put that there in case he ever got bored of venturion and wanted an easy way to get rid of him
I liked him better with his little moustache. Who else is low key hoping he was the one that opened the bay doors. I mean, granted a lot of innocent people died in space, but still Jonas had it coming.
If that was how he treated his friends, then you can only imagine how he treated everyone else. This makes me think it could have been anyone on that station who wanted payback.
There's a really nice hypotheses running around that it was Colonel Manstrong when he was a paperboy. Since he wasn't killed on that night, one has to wonder what was he doing during the movie screening. Some think he wandered into the control room and found Vendata's sex tape. He got so shocked at his first sexual experience that he accidentally opened the bay doors, probably by resting or falling on it. The trauma of knowing he had murdered everyone was too much and it's the reason he's so ashamed of any sexual displays. It also explains why he chose to say Ghost Spaceman did it, as it's the way a young boy would rationalize murder, by making up an excuse about someone else doing it.
I mean, think about how many months be had to look at what was basically his dear friend's corpse and how it was reduced to being a slave to a horrible man. And now the poor thing that used to be a man is so confused that it's attacking a child for no reason.
I think the show made it pretty clear even though Jonas is a hero by profession he doesn't have the morality of a hero. Since he was using Blue Morpho to do his dirty work. The good/evil switch is probably for when he wanted Venturian to do bad.
Wow, even Team Venture is outraged. When a full on psycho like Action Man can't take it, you know it's some fucked up shit! But OMG! A good/evil switch! That's some good ole 70s style villany from Dr. Z.
"Kano hasn't spoken a word, since," so it was having to put down his friend's carcass that made him take the vow of silence. Poor guy. Knows if he had still been partnered with Blue Morpho then no one would have been able to tamper with the plane (look at the attention he's paying to them working on the X-1), having to watch the ghost of his friend shuffle around the compound, and then having to put him down with his bare hands. Doubley sad that A) Had Venturion wanted to actually hurt Rusty, that boys neck would have been snapped off, by sheerest virtue that he's trying to save his child in the error-flashback, Rusty lives B) He had realized his error enough to release the child, Kano didn't have to force it (but made the smart move, knowing all the things Jonas Sr could have built into this thing for it to suddenly spring out while melting down) before he snapped his head off
So let’s get this straight: It all started with the Guild, back in its found fathers it’s mission was to protect an ancient object of great power called the ORB. After that event the Guild later became the “Guild of Columns intent” so Colonel Venture quits the Guild and became an inventor of Super science. After that Jonas was born and followed his father’s super science career, but expanded to explore the world seeing lost civilizations and creatures. He fought many villains not just the Guild of Columns Intent but villains like Dr. Z, Scarumantrula, Brainulo and L Ron Hubbard. On the way he created Team Venture. Colonel Gentleman a James Bond man, Action Man a super soldier, Swifty a African American boxer, Kano a master of the martial arts, Humongaloid a man with (super) Gigantism, and that aquaman reject guy and a caveman and the Blue Morpho. As time goes on Jonas has a wife or lover pregnant with his son(s). And when Rusty was born he became his father’s traveling companion, side-kick, and young test partner. In 86 Blue Morpho’s plane crashes, Malcolm (The Monarch) survived and was raised by Monarch Butterflies. Jonas saved the Blue Morpho by turning him into a Venture Robocop. Rusty went on many adventures with his father and it mentally scared him for life. Then when Rusty is a teenager he goes to college and wants to make his own name, while his father at his space station a paper boy watches the blackmail tape of Jonas and Blue Morpho having sex with a couple of celebrities. He accidentally opens the cargo doors releasing the entire crew including Jonas. Team Venture tried to save him but Kano slips on one of Rusty’s old cowboy toys breaking Jonas’ frozen body like glass leaving his head intact. After that Brock is forced to quite college and joins the army then is transferred to the OSI, to battle SPHINX. As for Peter White he hoists a game shower there he meets Billy and they somewhat became friends until Billy is signed by Brock and his partner/father figure Hunter to find the guild. At the college Billy meets Pro. Fantamos who is a cripple man wearing prosthetic arms to hide his true arms. He created a machine that was meant to fix his limbs but instead turn them into electrical invisible limbs that can kill someone just by touching them. As for the Monarch he joined some villains groups as a henchman before becoming his own, then Hank and Dean are born. Under the Venture Compound Rusty or Thaddeus as he’s called clones his sons incase of emergencies, and Broke’s hired as his bodyguard after the previous one went crazy. As years go by the Venture bros gone on many adventures until JJ was born almost trying to kill Rusty but changes his mind after he shows him mercy. As for Pro. Impossible he was so caught up in his work even ignoring his wife’s child till finally she leaves him and became a train wreck. After Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend were about to get married Phantom Limb tried to crash their wedding and steal Dr. Girlfriend and the Guild at the same time. But failed went crazy even started a group callee “The revenge society” consisting of a shoe, a mug and a toaster. He even used Billy to join the heads kf two of the oldest members of the guild to know about the ORB. After JJ’s death Thaddeus inherits his brother’s tower and became rich until he found out his father wasn’t dead nor the Blue Morpho so both he and the Monarch got to meet their dads again until Jonas ends up accidentally killing them both. And all this after Dean goes through a life searching after finding out he’s a clone, Hank falls in love with a villain’s daughter and they keep it a secret. Is there anything I missed?
The Revenge Society turned into a proper team with actual recruits after the attempt at getting the ORB and the discovery that it was broken a long time ago. And he had Billy graft those two's heads together because at least one of them was about to die and that was his way of keeping them alive for their knowledge. Also, the aftermath of Brock's mission involving Billy and Fantasmos had him effectively demoted to babysitting duty for Rusty Venture, with the actual objective being to make sure he didn't find and use the power of the ORB (the latter happened but not the former, with Rusty electing to study it to determine whether or not it's a danger to humanity and if it could be safely utilized for mankind's betterment. Brock also left OSI thanks to his old flame's manipulations and the clones of the boys were all killed off (as Hank and Dean were death prone and the clones acted as backups but got used here to try and force a stalemate). He joined SPHINX alongside his old mentor, Hunter Gathers and some OSI defectors before the organization re-merged into OSI after its leader passed the mantle on to Hunter.
I find it ironic that Jonas ultimately suffered the same fate as Blue Morpho did when Team Venture shoved his remains in P.R.O.B.L.E.M. and he got left there for 20ish years.
Jonas liked to act like he was helping his old friend, but if he was actually doing it to bring him back, he wouldn't have designed him to be a walking, talking testament to his ego that's literally branded with his name. He didn't do it to save the blue morpho, he did it to see if he could. Not to mention it's entirely possible he could have been doing it to make sure he lived forever too, just pop his brain into a robot body and bam, the world is stuck with an immortal Jonas.
So that's why sometimes Kano did and didn't speak later and there were contradictions concerning whether and how he had anything to do with so-and-so's death. Clever of the writers to reveal it this way.
Jonas caring only for people with if they are useful to him or not, i believe Jonas only turned Morpho into Venturion just to get research data for his own life extension machine project, that why Jonas got bored of Venturion
One of the things that has often troubled me about the Monarch's back story is that he doesn't remember playing with Rusty, but he remembers his childhood home as well as his life after the plane crash extremely vividly. I've often wondered if Monarch is also a clone and the original Malcom was killed in the plane crash along with his parents, which would explain why his memories are so fragmented and he only remembers certain things regarding his childhood (much like Hank and Dean). It just seems very unlikely that a young child would survive a plane crash but not his parents. Assuming Malcom is Jonas' child, it would make sense that he would've kept clones of him much like Rusty.
Or the wreck caused some memory loss. He was able to remember bits and pieces of how his dad and mom were but the earliest interaction with Rusty was wipped out. If we take Myra's word about the true ages of Hank and Dean, then Rusty (depending on how many clone slugs were produced) would more than likely be in his early to mid 60s as opposed to the 42/3 years old stated in Return to Spider Skull Island and the college era
We don't know if the original Venture team realized that he was literally thrown in the trash. And I imagine they were just happy to get him away from Jonas
That Good/Bad switch is there before Z even changes his look or anything, implying Jonas put a goddamn Good/Bad switch in there just for the laughs of it. At this point im not surprised.
@@fulviopontarollo2952 There have been animation errors before. Remember the mind-assassin episode and how the Monarch's gloves disappeared and came back?
