It's also why doc looks so deteriorated stress does a lot but you'd think years of running climbing and escaping bad guys would leave you with a bit of lean muscle even in his older years
I’m enjoying the fact that Billy would have been fanboying and doing whatever Jonas Sr. Told him to do in earlier episodes. Here he’s standing up to one of his greatest childhood heroes
@@eternallegacy89 And who actually raised him? I imagine that given a choice between his birth father and the father that raised him, Malcolm would choose Blue Morpho. Especially given how emotional he was at the end when he realized who Vendata was
You know, if Jonas had been a little more patient and communicative, Rusty could have gotten the lab up, then both Blue Morpho and Jonas could have had their bodies back.
Jonas wanted revenge for BM trying to kill him, no doubt, plus I think he was too much of a dick to care about his old friend. Its not like he cared about his own son all that much.
We all know that no one would’ve been willing to give Jonas a new body no matter what the circumstances were. Billy didn’t want to kill the Blue Morpho because he’s trying to be a proper doctor and BM was way too furious at Jonas to be even remotely convinced to transfer his consciousness into the poor guys body.
Yeah, he was straight up going to kill his friend, again, just to temporarily have a body. The guy is a sociopath. Hell, because he grabbed him after he disconnected, he lost his only chance to have a body again all because he could only think of himself
I still can't believe that they kept all their consistency right down to the Monarch's backstory in EPISODE 1. Plane crash and live among monarch butterflies. and yet that was a HUGE part of the Blue Morpho's backstory we couldn't have even possibly guessed back then. seriously great show in that aspect
It would be nice if there could of been a esp where Malcolm could of talked with his dad/mom more or just figured out what all was going on with him and the whole BM, rusty and other things.
I am very impressed at how fast Rusty went from "Oh my god, is that my dad that mysteriously disappeared all those years ago without a trace when I was only 18 and have been left wondering for the past 40 years what happened ?" to an annoyed " that's called wifi dad wifi sigh"
Kinda shows how hes an asshole I mean the dude had to bring back his dead friend to show that he could he used a tape to black mail his so called friend more then likely is the monarchs father and wants them to kill his friend again just so he can live again and probably clone a new body for himself so he can be an egotistical ass hole all over again
Did you forget the other douche stuff he did before this episode? Example like leaving a bunch of orphans in the bunker during that gas attack, abuse and neglect Rusty (letting him test dangerous proto rides, kidnap and ignore his woes) and pretty much have affiar with multiply married women!
the entire series, Jonas is shown as a narcissist and it really culminates here, but with one added feature: it becomes apparent that the only thing jonas really feared was being permanently dead
To quote Bruce Wayne in Batman Bryond, "You don't cheat death. You whimper in fear of it." That sums up Jonas Venture. A man who's that terrified of death and finds a way to cheat it.
I think the best part about this plot twist is that they made it so believable that we weren't really surprised as much as amused... after 7 seasons, finding out that Jonas was pretty much a supervillain was like, "Yeah... I shoulda seen that coming..." I mean the Venture crew were never really morally sound people to begin with. The show always felt like "heroes and villains" were just two groups of rich superscientist assholes terrorizing the world with their feud...
I honestly enjoy the fact that they make a point in the later season(s) to show that even those who are "villians" still love their kids.(Wide Whale, someone else i'm not remembering rn, etc) Jonas did not. He didn't give a fuck about Rusty, and it's actually sad.
Damn, jonas was this mythic character that everybody idolized at the beginning, yet when we knew what he did we became more interested and rooted for Blue Morpho and his "son", this series was capable of making all its characters main characters. Go Team Venture.
The best and saddest part? The world at large still idolizes Jonas Venture. Only those close to these events have even half a clue of just how bad he really was. Most of how truly awful he was is just for the audience.
Well, I'm here after watching the movie. Turns out The Monarch is a Clone of the Original Rusty Venture. Jonas put a Clone embryo inside the Blue Morpho's wife, which turned out to be the Monarch. Which makes The Monarch & Rusty clones of each other and not really half brothers like everyone was presuming. It also turns out that the Monarch has 2% Baboon DNA, which made him more aggressive, somewhat territorial, and prevented him from going prematurely bald like Rusty. Jonas also very likely shot down the Blue Morphos plane to get rid of him & claim the bounty on his head, the fact that The Monarch survived the crash & life is a testament to his survivability. It was said that The Monarch was Clone #21 of Rusty, thus making Rusty Clone #20, meaning that the original Rusty Venture & 19 Clones most likely died, which explains Rusty's lapse in memories & not knowing or remembering everything that happened to him which is the same thing that happens to Hank & Dean. If anything, this just makes the series that much better & it goes full circle only this time it will truly end.
The way they portrayed Jonas as an admirable super scientist and all around hero on the surface, yet as time went we all realized that he was actually a selfish, petty manchild who only cared about others based on how they could benefit him....which in turn makes us look at Rusty and realize that he's actually pretty damn well adjusted, all things considered. Think back to when you first started watching show, Jonas seemed like an awesome father and yet we have cynical Rusty, why is he so negative?? Now we know! Dean is essentially going through all the phases his Dad went through. The writing on this show is incredible...the fact that they pulled off doing so many callbacks (movie night, PROBLEM, Action's Stroke, Vendetta, Dr. Dugong, etc.) is proof that Hammer and Publick are geniuses. One more thing that perfectly defines Jonas...the conversation with Rusty in this video. First conversation between father and son in 20 years, any love or compassion? NOPE. Help me kill my old blackmail victim so I can take his body until we can regrow mine! That's Jonas in a nutshell, not sad to see him go!
@@aawallace98 well we saw his head fall off so its possible there's more to be done there, AS did green light the show for like two more seasons and I'm guessing they can get a few more out of this show before they develop everyone well enough that that can end it.
@@aawallace98 another things they could use now that I think of it is Jonas transmitting his consciousness into the web through Rusty's watch and patiently waiting until he can find a new body. Plus we still don't know who opened the air lock on Gargantua.
Drellistenstomusic would you say they’d turn dr venture into a think tank; getting knowledge, and etc of future inventions to eventually over take the guild of calamity or will they perform venture to be their own vendetta
Rcketfield knowing venture Sr he’ll probably make give them plans to build another body or something that gives him control over someone’s body and rename the plans so they’ll be none the wiser
this was interesting as this was the unveiling of the real Jonas Venture. As this what everyone spoke of very highly with the greatest respect. only to find out he was a really terrible person on the inside who constantly under minded his peers, betrayed their trust by sleeping with his team members wives (Corneal Gentlemen's and Blue Morpho's), black mailing them to do thing for him and being a terrible parent to Rusty. we originally thought it was jealously that Rusty hated his dad but it more resentment as he is the only one who saw Jonas for who he was and didn't wanted to be nothing like him.
I like how everyone loves Jonas, and Rusty has lost his shit over his death, and when he comes back, Billy learns and Rusty remembers, that Jonas Venture is kind've a prick when you get to know him.
Funny how this all works out, isn't it? We've got a butterfly-costumed gadgeteer with a secret identity, whose arch enemy turns out to be Doctor Venture. And then, besides them, we have Rusty and the Monarch.
Honestly, the my favorite part of the scene is the way James Urbaniak delivers the "...dad?" line after he hears Jonas' voice for the first time in way too long. For such a short line, he delivers the exact combination of shock, confusion, relief, anger, resentment and every other conflicting emotion in the right amount that Rusty would have after seeing his dad somehow alive.
That was a spur of the moment the director wanted Shock factor wasn’t thought up properly. However this work of art was set up since season 2 Literally when Jonas Venture was having a swinger’s party you’ll see Blue morpho in the background and the plane crash that caused him and his wife dead in season 1
Spoilers . . . . . . . . . . . . . Turns out The Monarch is actually a clone of Rusty, but with some baboon DNA. He does freak out about it, but after talking to his wife, he chooses to continue his arching towards Rusty, calling himself Rusty's better self or something along those lines.
I honestly wish there was another season with Jonas and the blue morpho in it. I'd love it, just seeing how rusty would be adjusting to his dad back and how everyone else would adjust and recognise how evil he was. While the monarch and his dad team up to defeat both ventures. Would have been fantastic
This was one of the biggest moments of the show, that tied up just about everything. Everything led up to this point. All the call backs, all the backstories, all the history, what you thought were throwaways. Everything came together for this moment.
I just noticed the little detail that Monarch has his ornamental wings on rather than us functional ones, to explain why he doesn’t try to fly after being launched into the air
I really feel bad for Monarch here, like, he heard his actual name in like, what, YEARS?! And he tries to grasp Blue Morpho for an explanation so desperately while Jonas HAD to try kill him...
Actually I feel like Hank is much more in danger here. Young, athletic, and in Jonas' eyes he probably sees him as a shiftless simpleton, not much of a loss.
No, if you listen to him talk he says that he is going to work with Rusty to get the cloning program back up. Of course they would have to build from scratch but it would take long with Jonas running the show. He may even be able to accelerate the growth of a Clone body.
I like Rick and Morty, but when it comes to producing a shock factor, it doesn't have shit on the Venture Bros. It tries, but the most it's gotten out of me was "Hah, that's fucked up!" But this episode...this shit legitimately blew my mind. I had fucking nightmares about this that night when I went to sleep.
I love how Rusty and the Monarch, AKA Malcom, hugged each other when they were both falling. Like in those cartoon shows and movies when the characters fall together.
I was more interested in the possible plot of The Monarch finally seeing his father and finding out the whole history of his family and everything, Im a bit let down all he got was a smile and only a possible whispering voice in the back of his head that that was his father, no closure.
When it comes full circle that jonas was a narcissistic sociopath who only happened to do good things as long as he was having a good time he was literally going to kill the man he kept screwing over and used to call his friend just to get a body that he admitted would be temporary
Exactly. Jonas could have honestly just have been patient and waited for a fresh clone body but would have rather killed his friend and taken his body all for the sake of comfort and/or more control.
Its weird when you realize had they all not freaked out they could of just cloned up a body for both Jonas and blue Morpho. Then again Jonas not being completely insane after being a head stuck in a machine and just thinking of what immediately benefits him is in character.
All i know is if jonas was back he would likely take venture tower evict every one and rusty and the rest go back to the old compound with some tents or to spider skull island and some wacky stuff happens in the middle leading to the season finale were jonas gets killed and he may have cloned staff members working for him.
Anyone else think that Jonas already had the clone program created when Blue Morpho died, but instead made him a cyborg to control him. We saw Blue Morpho was pushing back against Jonas and his blackmailing. I'm suspecting Jonas killed Blue Morpho by sabotaging his plane. Jonas then decided to turn Blue Morpho into a cyborg so he could still use him.
That's a good theory!! Also plays into why Team Venture was so disgusted when they found out he had rebuilt Blue Morpho as a robot...they obviously didn't have an issue with extending life in a synthetic matter (agreeing to place Jonas in the PROBLEM), but they knew that Jonas only revived BM to be his personal puppet. I think BM had recovered the sex tape and was about to expose Jonas for the greaseball he was, that's why Jonas somehow caused plane crash. This would also explain how Vendetta was in possession of the tape on movie night!!
There’s also what Rusty told Gary when Gary tried to have him clone 24; namely that while cloning was possible, they weren’t Star Wsrs style clones... Gary would have to raise his friend as a baby up to adulthood. Same applies here with trying to clone the Blue Morpho. Hank and Dean got off easy because their clones were made around the same time they were born, and the Learning Beds copies their last recorded memories.
I find it amusing that Rusty is so unimpressed with talking to his "dead" father that he's got the wherewithal to get annoyed with him about using the term "WiFi". Back when they were dealing with the "IGNORE ME!!" guy, Rusty was all "but Papa, where have you been?" when he thought he was talking to his dad.
That's perfectly valid, actually. Nearly a decade ago my sister called to tell me that our father had gone to the doctor and was informed that he was just missing about a liter of blood mysteriously (personally I think his new wife sucked it out, but that's a tale for another time) and there was this pall that the old man might be on his way out. Then I thought about it. This was the guy that caused us to be sent to bed early because no one wanted us to see how drunk and stoned our father was when he came home. This is the guy who was always away on "business trips" when he had to spend time in jail for any number of reasons. This was the guy so testosterone poisoned that he would go out of his way to pick fights with me when I was thirteen just so he could prove how "alpha" he was. This is the guy who moved to Minnesota for years, took a weekend trip back to Washington to play golf with his alcy friends, but stopping to see his own kids was never really part of the plan. The guy who would constantly pester me about when I'm going to have kids when my sister already has three that he just doesn't have time for. So yeah, you can absolutely go from "papa, where have you been?" to "man, fuck this guy, why the hell is he still clinging on to life?"
I just watched Shadowman 9, and I realized something: Jonas Venture Sr. is in some senses responsible for some of the misery everyone goes through or an important even: *Any* issues Rusty has(I’m not listing all of them) Besmirching the Blue Morpho’s reputation with the shit he made him do, along with probably giving the Monarch his homicidal tendencies, which in turn lead to Baron Underbeight losing his jaw in the crossfire of his first attempt to kill Rusty. A more stable and raised right Rusty would’ve been more likely to take in Billy and White, which would’ve at least delayed Phantom Limb’s birth, and let Brock and Gathers be able to look deeper into the Guild without being reassigned. All the lives ruined in the aftermath of Movie Night and the Pyramid Wars because of his dumbass idea to make it that easy to open the bay doors(a small protected button would’ve been so much more safe). The top comment is right, Jonas *is* the DIO of Venture Brothers, the legacy of his sins reaching even into the episodes with the least bit of connection to him. Go scream in Hell Jonas
Also, the fact Hatred was the one who reassigned Brock and Gathers but didn't realize all of that would loop him back to square one w/ taking up Brock's role in Operation Rusty's Blanket (The ORB) and as bodyguard after Princess Tinyfeet abandons him
I'll admit I have conflicted feelings about this episode. On one side it was nice to get all this backstory about Jonas and the Blue Morpho. But on the other hand, I expected him to have been an awful father but at least a good superscientist and someone that embodied the ideals he preached of "Hope, Love and Superscience". It's sad to see he wasn't even able to live up to his ideal and was instead a narcissistic and egotistical madman who was more fitting as a founder of the Guild of Calamitous Intent than a superscientist. I thought he at least was a good leader to his team but it seems he couldn't even be a good friend.
Well if youve been listening to rusty that illusion was supposed to break a long time ago. I mean sure rusty was sick of his dad but the things hed say werent unfounded.
I was waiting for Rusty to start putting the pieces together. "Malcolm? Wait! Are you Don's kid?! Why didn't you say so? I always wondered what happened to you. You're not still pissed about the firetruck thing, are you?"
This clip might be one of the best clip I have seen of the show, mainly because (in my mind) I see it as a after death reunion of 2 friends/enemies with their sons, where most likely Monarch is biological son of Jonas Venture, because Blue Morpho was (most likely) infertile (which gives a whole new meaning of "Venture Brothers") Honestly, I love it. I might need to watch this whole show someday
I don't know about you guys, but something about Jonas Venture Sr. and Blue Morpho's death is somewhat iconic. Here are two great men that has cheated death for so long with the help of science. When Death finally found those two, he wanted them back because they overstayed their lifetime. It's like something out of Final Destination in a way.
YagMi6 what’s even more ironic that there false deaths and re-berthing took episodes minutes and were very suspenseful but their actual deaths were in the shadows and background
I like how the Monarch and Rusty are saved from the fall by falling on the Boy Rusty Ballon, breaking it. Symbolically destroying the legacy of Dr Venture, they survive unscathed from what kills Dr Venture.
He didnt even need to steal the blue morphos body to get a new one. His goal there was to kill him before word got out to the public of how crappy he was
Everyone just saw the legendary jonas venture and the original blue morpho fly away with their sons. And then we get a shot of malcolm and rusty holding each other
For "a show about failure," Billy makes considerable progress over the course of his character arc. They pretty much force him to operate on Dean after he gets testicular torsion. Billy is not a doctor, and openly admits that he has no idea what he's doing, but he still performs the operation successfully. Fast-forward to here, and he's a full-fledged neurosurgeon.
@@oMaJoJ It was mostly a throwaway line and fans kept repeating it like it was the Gospel while ignoring the other themes like doing something that you're passionate about despite the risks.
The thing is, it is a show about failure, but it's also about the beauty in failure. These characters are later able to succeed exactly because they did fail and fail terribly.
The Venture Brothers always seem to grab & throttle you quick, with some weirdo glitchy tech - or some a-hole showing up and screwing things up. Damn, I miss that series.
THE BLUE MORPHO WILL STILL BE ALIVE IF HE NEVER BECAME FRIENDS WITH JONAS. ALL THAT SHIT JONAS HAD BLUE MORPHO DO. SO THAT WAS WHY THE SOVEREIGN HAD THE BLUE MORPHO KILLED. SO JONAS HAD HIS HAND IN BLUE MORPHO'S DEATH.
+Quintin Garvin Jonas Venture brought back Blue Morpho to make him into a robot, but he lost interest and after Vendata attacked Rusty, Jonas just threw him out. Dr Z found him and turned him evil. We don't know who caused the plane to crash, but we do know Jonas was an untrustworthy pathological liar who was only into himself. We already know Jonas and Morpho's friendship was basically Jonas blackmailing him because he was guilty from cheating on his wife.
The deaths of Jonas and BM signify the ongoing theme of the show; The death of the atomic space age of the 20th century. Everything in the show's present time has been more or less about failure. The failure to live up to the standards of the ''golden age'' of 60s and 70s.
@@carlycrays2831 as opposed to the world we have now, run by people with all Jonas' narcissistic sociopathy (and then some) and none of the super-science that allowed him to work around it at least part of the time?
You know, considering that every one there would not have minded finding a robot to put his brain in instead of Blue Morphos, and it's not like they would have killed him there and then, all Jonas had to do was be patient, but he probably knew with Blue Morpho gaining his memories back, he probably would have had his legacy destroyed ontop of probably being thrown into some OSI prison
Please please please bring back Blue Morpho, I don't mind a little BSing. I need more Blue Morpho and Monarch moments. It's possible to save Blue Morpho, his head didn't take on too much damage.
*Normal people watching this with no context*: "What the fuck is going on? What is this?" *Venture Bros fans*: "HOLY SHIT!!! THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH WHILE BRING EVEN MORE QUESTIONS!" Love this show.
Ok, so when.... Is the osi, or some one who steals his head going to attempt to clone doc venture senior, only for everything to go wrong? I mean the osi has the head, on ice. If he was just dead they would have buried the guy, same thing goes for the blue morpho.
It’s fun to remember that Dr Venture is based on Doc Savage who lobotomized some of his foes and Blue Morpho is Green Hornet and The Shadow. You could also look at it as what would happen if a Disney Anti-Hero tried to be an Anti-Hero in the Venture Bro’s world. Like he’s not really a terrible guy but Dr Venture...
After heavy research and finally tieing a few loose ends together, it has become evident that Jonas Venture Sr. was actually 100% Force Majure (previous Sovereign of the Guild), which he may have kept low key, possibly even appearing as an anonymous head like his successor, the late great Mr. Bowie. The Movie night massacre was actually Bowie’s chance to usurp Jonas (Majure), hence as he stated, he killed his predecessor on multiple occassions making it appear that Vendatta was the one who did it despite the latter having no recollection of doing so? Bowie being a notorious, and talented shapeshifter jumped at the opportunity his Guild members created and most likely used a different guise, probably even Vendatta at one point once inside the space station and did the deed. This not only allowed him to terminate Jonas and claim the title, but also use the ammo from the event to incite the Pyramid wars in order to kill two birds with one stone while making it appear he had no involvement in the movie night massacre himself. We also all know that the Venture family has ties to the guild sovereign position which would also make 100% sense that Jonas inheritted the title. Too add more fuel to my theory, Jonas being the leader of “The Boys Brigade” that supposedly involved it’s members being kidnapped and held at Majure’s headquarters has Jonas written all over it considering he probably interaccted with it’s members, Prof. Richard Impossible and Phantom Limb as well and easily pulled it off to probably ensure that people wouldn’t put two and two together about his second identity. Any thoughts on this theory, let me know. But lets be real, the way Hammer and Publick tie all loose ends in their storyline, I can def see this being the main plot of the movie.
part of me kinda wishes Jonas's plan worked and they brought him back, I thought it would've made for interesting dynamic with Jonas and everyone else given how much he's missed
