I love Nick Diaz but that is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Floyd is a boxer, he doesn't need to defend a takedown. Should Nick Diaz not get payed/get payed less because he couldn't throw a 180 in darts? Different sports which require different skills due to the different rules.
+CM678 His point was that mma requires a broader skill set yet boxers who are one trick ponies get paid much more. (Also, your darts analogy is off cause it has nothing to do with fighting while takedowns are)
jurado1010 Broader skill set yes, but nowhere near a skilled at punching as boxers are. Nick Diaz would get demolished by any top 30 boxer in their weight class. Triathletes have to swim, bike and run but none of them make as much money as Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps who only do one. It's because Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps bring more spectators in. Same as Mayweather compared to any MMA fighter. No it isn't, takedowns have nothing to do with boxing. You do realise Floyd Mayweather is a boxer?
+CM678 read again, i said takedowns have to do with FIGHTING, not boxing. I see your point of who brings in more money, but you have to understand what i'm saying too, i'm not saying nick is a better boxer, i'm saying he's a better fighter overall. How do you think floyd would do in an mma fight? Probably fine on his feet but if it hits the mat he's fucked (not that he'll ever fight in mma seeing how he cherry picks his opponents to keep his invincibility aura...)
+jurado1010 I read your comment fine. I know you said fighting but Mayweather is a boxer, he doesn't need to learn to defend a takedown. Exactly the same way Nick doesn't need to learn to throw darts. I agree he is a better fighter overall, that is obvious. But your original comment suggests that Nick Diaz should be payed more simply because he has decided to be decent at a few things(boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc) rather than be incredible at one thing(boxing). Like I said, I love Nick but he is very jealous that Mayweather has literally made 500 times more money than himself.
Example: WATCH conors videos when he works the speed bag or heavy bag for all that. No rhythm, uncoordinated, no footwork, no TIMING. NO BOXING TALENT. THEN WATCH MAYWEATHER ON THE SPEED BAG. CONOR NEEDS TO FIGHT A # 5 RANK boxer before even dreaming of even being in the same city with KING FLOYD MAYWEATHER. Especially since conor got KO' d by a sparring partner. lmao
Are people either aware that James Tony who are degrading mma had an mma fight? UFC 118 against Randy Couture and he lost, could not even make in past the first round.
+John Doe I don't think that was the point. I think the point was to people arguing in the comments that boxers could make it in MMA even though the boxer in this video was destroyed in ufc.
Culo Churra That's not close to being true. MOST? Really? It does not matter first or last, he has a very small chance to being able to fight back and almost no chance in winning.
Randy Couture took James Tony down with a super low single leg takedown; the hardest takedown to complete, but James has no wrestling background, while Couture was an Olympic wrestler, so all James did was flap his legs around like a fish out of water.
jacekvo jace you right the only reason MMA is more popular than boxing because you can ground and pound or choke someone out but in reality a real street fight is better than both the first rule everyone wants to see a knock out no matter what
Mortal Kombat Reconciliation *In a REAL street fight, an untrained street fighter does have a chance and can (probably) K.O. a skilled MMA fighter. But that's just me. MMA (in all honesty) will prevail every time.*
Dashon Corra You idiot the ref stopped the fight because couture was about to choke him out. If the ref didn't stop it then fine let the guy loose consciousness and probably die. The ref knew toney couldn't get out of the choke. Anyways even if toney knows couture's 1 move out of 50 other submissions then fine let him practice his striking, if he does come back to the mma then the other fighters will show him 50 other submissions, ground and pound, clinches knee strikes. We'll throw everything in there.
Dashon Corra And you think that'll make a difference? If couture can only go for takedowns, then your dude is screwed!!!!!!!!!! Ground always beats striking, if you don't have 3 years of training and experience in wrestling or jiu jitsu, it doesn't matter if you're a professional boxer, you're getting taken down and pounded to a pulp or submitted. Either way you would loose that fight and you would know MMA isn't the game you want to be playing.
Dashon Corra But you're the one who is defending James Toney? That's why we make it a big deal. Because you keep defending Toney like he's a martial arts master. Toney isn't the kind of guy to take on someone like couture. Oh yeah he'll know couture will go for the takedown. He'll be ready for that. But couture is not stupid, instead of shooting in, he'll just wait for Toney to make a mistake. Toney needs to enter wrestling competitions to get experience. It's not enough learning just some lousy MMA techniques. He needs to train in other things than just his stand up. And what the hell are you talking about? Your logic is that if someone scares the shit out of couture that'll show how inferior MMA is? How do you know if couture is scared? Do you have mind reading powers? Can you sense it with your magical spell? Or are these just assumptions.
Dashon Corra lol. YOU'RE scared to admit Couture beat Toney and he couldn't do a damn thing about it, otherwise your boxing world would come crumbling down.
Dashon Corra That's why Couture didn't box him lol, he used MMA.... Also that's so fucking stupid saying getting submitted doesn't mean shit, if you get submitted in a real fight the person could just kill you within minutes lol..... Stop posting, seriously it is so embarrassing haha.
James Toney: "If he shoots in on me I am going to hit him with an uppercut or a left hook." Hmmm, I guess it just slipped his mind to do that come fight time.
Boxing is a singular aspect of unarmed combat, mma is the sport of unarmed combat... A very talented boxer could beat a mediocre mixed martial artist I don't doubt that, but to compare someone like Jon Jones or Cain Valesquez to someone who is using only one form of attack is laughable and anyone who thinks a pure boxer would stand any more then a punchers chance against someone like that is seriously uneducated... The boxer may have the slight advantage in close quarters exchanges on the feet but that's it.. From long range what about kicks? Clinching? Takedowns? Jiu-jitsu? Cage control? All of these things are going in favour of the mixed martial artist, it's like someone fighting using only a sword against someone with two desert Eagles and a sniper rifle! The sheer amount of weapons the mma guy has will almost always outdo the one weapon the boxer has..
***** Wrong. MMA fighters excel in atleast two styles. Also u talk about JDS when he isnt only stand up contrary to popular belief, he just prefers stand up. Btw boxers dont know how to counter kicks thats bullshit. Do you even know how fast these kicks are? And you said imagine a boxer with takedown defense. Then they are no longer boxers plain flat and simple. Besides people complaining about the fact that UFC has too many rules. Thats what makes it difficult. You want no rules? Go back to the early days of MMA. Boxers got destroyed back then just as they would now.
Yes they are in it for the money not the competition. Thats the problem. Though yes holly holm is good she will get smashed by Ronda. So would all of these "succesful'' mma fighters who would get smashed by anybody decent. Though Holm is good i will give her that. I would like to see tyson fury in mma just so you guys can see why the sports are worlds apart. He is talking a lot of smack get him in the ring with a somebody completely shit like overeem for example. It will be a fun comedy show.
What does that have to do with anything? Yes its a job they do it for money. But boxers do it only for money. Examples: all of deontat wilders opponents and most recently the guy that lost to that hollywood guy Micky Rourke. I mean no disrespect tk the guy not sure how to pronounce his name right.
Tom Evans agree for sport competition, but i believe a boxing has a wider aplication in terms of self defence on the street. multi opponent ect obviously bjj will help a lot but if your caught on the ground with a kick your toast
Tom Evans as to very talented boxer, take a look round at what the mma fighters think about if tyson had trained mma instead. even if he didnt do ground work a punch from him in 4oz mits is a career ending injury. and no im not a boxing is everything nutter i train BJJ and used to box
It's nice to come back and watch these older videos sometimes. And what's really cool is how far the striking has come in MMA since 2010! I wonder how far the average boxers grappling skills have come since 2010...
Goldberg Brian You don’t have to say “Most” because the “est” at the end of “dumb” implies that it’s the most dumb or as dumb as it can get. You only say “most” before words that you don’t add “est” onto. Like “difficult.” “Dumbest; Most difficult.” You’re welcome.
Has MMA striking really come that far since 2010? I dunno man. 43 year old Anderson just put on a good showing against Adesanya, JDS just knocked out a supposed top 5 HW, and neither of those guys are close to what they were in 2010, Aldo just won his last 2 via KO and he was already around back then too. Then you had K1 GP winning roided to absolute fuck Reem, Machida, TRT Vitor etc etc.
I like the praise Mercer gives to MMA in this show. It gives much needed respect between two great forms of entertainment. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how you're fighting, but the fact is that you're fighters. That's a brotherhood.
I find it funny how every boxer has this plan of "i just wont let him take me down" yea if wrestlers who are ACTUALLY TRAINED to stop takedowns still get taken down, then a boxer who has never even seen takedown defense before will hit the floor, you one trick ponies always like to justify why you only chose one aspect of fighting instead of learning them all
tom smith dont get me wrong, i have absolutely no problem with boxing, muay thai, samba, jiu jitsu, wrestling, any of it. But what i dont like us cocky boxers and boxing fans who say that a boxer will just knock an MMA fighter out before a takedown, just like mr james phony did when he got smashed by randy couture
silver back wanna guess why he hasn't been taken down... because he has takedown defense. Wanna guess why James Toney did get taken down... because he has no takedown defense
true lol James toney all like "If he shoot in at me I'll just step back and catch him with a uppercut or the hook and if I catch him on his chin it's lights out." Lol Randy courture made him eat those words when he shot in on him, took him down and clobbered him.
Yeah, but a boxer as a better chance in an mma fight against an mma fighter than the other way around. Like an mma fighter in a boxing match. Remember Mercer vs Sylvia.
*Robert O’brian* Boxers = shitty at everything else. Take away a boxer’s boxing and he’s a sitting duck. Take away an mma fighter’s go-to moves and he still got ammo.
Of course a boxer doesn't stand a chance. only an idiot would think one did... Does a pure jump shooter like Klay Thompson or Dirk Nowitzky stand a chance against an all-around player like Michael Jordan or Hakeem Olajuwon?
Ray is so humble, I love his respect for MMA. James tried to be pretty humble in this interview but I know he doesn't respect MMA that much at all. Those guys are right though, James Toney hits harder than any heavy weight MMA fighter.
mu11champione Nah, that's retarded. Karatekas can be successful in mma, but it's a lot harder for an mma fighter to win under karate rules. Does that mean Karate require more skills?
@@Seth_Peterson Oh prime Tyson with a good 4+ years of proper training wouldve been a legit contender to me, Just because of his power, It would be harder for floyd to transition to a 145 or 155 weight class the best skillfull fighters are at those weightclasses
Bas warned Tony like 1000 times. So did Ray Mercer - he warned him many times but Tony just focused on the idea that he would connect with most fighters probably 98% of the time. The opposite is true. If he connects there is no doubt he will knock someone out, but the chances of connecting are really low if someone wants to take you down. It shifts to like 5% chance to knock someone out. It's easier to close the distance and tie someone up.
+Robert C. Christian He took a dive silly. It was a payday for him. The UFC offered him tons of money to basically throw boxing under the bus so MMA could get some attention.
***** Yeah right prove it. He would lose a fight with Couture, 10 times out of 10. Do you actually believe the bullshit that comes out of your mouth. Did you see the fight?????
Yeah. Tony was really confident he could clip Couture shooting in. The fact is when you never seen a high level wrestler before you'd be really suprised at how fast they can cover distance and change levels. Catching them coming in takes great timing or a piss poor shoot by the wrestler.
but ray mercer didn't fight any technical mma fighters. his biggest fight was a washed up tim sylvia who tried to bang with him. horrible strategy. Its like saying that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is more technical and skilled than mma. I will practice jiu Jitsu for the rest of my life but I would never call it more technical than mma. MMA requires that you diversify your attack in order to win. If I speak Chinese better than you do but you are competent in 5 other languages as well why is your craft less technical than mine if we have different goals. I might want to read ancient chinese literature and write a thesis. While you might want to travel the world and be able to communicate with people from many places.
+trashbash2001 they not. just being respectful in the aspect of takedowns. Whereas in boxing you go to your corner on a knockdown and you can't take people to the ground and pound on their face. But boxing is far more deadly than MMA cuz MMA fighters only tackle and wrestle
+trashbash2001 They see their boxing fan base rapidly aging and they realize that GenXer's and Millennials prefer MMA. As the WW2 and Baby Boomer generations die off, boxers know their paychecks will get smaller and smaller until they disappear.
Super Heroes As WW2 Generation and Boomers die off, boxer's paychecks are going to radically shrink. Its what happens when a fan base shrinks. Hair metal bands in the 80s sold out arenas, now they can't even sell out county fairs. Same thing will happen to boxing.
Super Heroes MMA fighters are getting paid more each year. Comparing UFC 190 payouts to UFC 1 payouts, there's a big jump. As the fan base grows, so will the payouts.
Super Heroes That will change. As the money grows so will the federal government's interest. With the way the UFC acts, it won't be long before it gets caught up in a trust busting investigation by the justice department. Eventually, more organizations will rise up to rival the UFC and fighters won't be contracted to just one. As they fight across organizations, fighters' paychecks will increase, too.
He still was the two times champion and Ray Mercer was old, out of shape. Ray wasn't considered as a top boxers cause he often relied on his chin to tire his opponent. I wonder how thick his skull is. He ate some bombs that would have killed most.
People who criticize MMA always leave out the kick boxing, Muay Thai and other stand up arts. I personally prefer MMA simply because you are a free to use different styles, there is nothing stopping a Boxer from getting in the cage and trying to box there opponent.
MrKevin9856 mma striking is far more complex than boxing. You need to watch out for kicks, elbows, knees, traps where the opponent grabs & strikes you with kicks elbows, knee or punches you, leg kicks, sweeps, or him shooting in for a takedown or judo trips. You have kicking range, punching including spinning backfist range, trapping range & grappling range. Boxing only has 1 range and 1 set of weapons & no idea of his vulnerability to other strikes. Look at the diversity of striking weapons alone of Jon Jones, Cain Velasquez, Lyoto Machida, Anthony Pettis. No single dimensional boxer could compete in standup.
I like how they use Tim Sylvia as their example of "champ MMA fighter" lol how long has it been since he was champ? He wasn't even champ during a good time for heavyweight MMA.
hang on a minute!!! a fans constantly use james toney is the same argument. toney was a supremely skilled defensive boxer but he didnt live the life, he wasnt dedicated the way he should of been. in hes prime he was a non puncher. he carries very little legit knockout power as a middleweight. then steps into a cage at 40+ and gets irased! come on man.its gotta work both ways
Benjamin Oconnor Yeah I respect that. I'm just happy Toney got his mouth shut after all the stuff he said. This definitely doesn't prove the boxing vs MMA argument.
As someone who is a big fan of both, their is so much that goes in to just " throwin hands" than a lot of people give credit for when you are just boxing. However there is probably 10x more science in mma, I mean you have to be dumb not to agree with this, I means it is literally the mixed science of ALL aspects of fighting, granted boxing in mma is definitely different than just regular boxing, as goes for basically every martial art. But let's face it if a boxer fights a mma fighter 90% of the time the boxer is gonna get fucked up, same goes if a mma fighter boxed a boxer the mma fighters gonna lose. THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT SPORTS! Bottom line and both deserve much respect.
Pure boxing is a joke to me when it comes to actual fighting. It's a fun sport, but when you bring up the art of fighting, if you only know how to do one thing and you're going against somebody who can do five or more then you might wanna think about negotioing and playing peacemaker.
I’ll tell ya. Boxing is much more useful than any grappling art. Most fights begin and end with punches. Floyd could probably knock out an mma fighter his size in less than 5 seconds.
@@becarefulwhatyoufish4764 boxing is the best. Take it from a guy whose won street fights. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FKKG0pSJzrs.html
stupid. itd be called murder sport. because as soon as it comes to close quarters on the ground someone is getting a chunk of there face bitten off. come on mate. where do you draw the line. keep it serious here
123mambo321 They don't watch MMA at all. 90% of the boxing community are very angry about the success of MMA. Rather than trying to promote boxing, they slander MMA instead. They are doing more harm to boxing than good by acting like children.
***** Well... the mature boxing fans need to make more noise. These crazy people make boxing look bad. Just look at the Rousey/Holm fight. Rather than giving credit to Holly Holm for training for 6 years in grappling and avoiding all of Ronda's hip tosses and submission attempt, they claim Holm's victory for themselves and act like her win was nothing. It's sad really.
Ray Mercer sounds very ignorant making remarks like "For one you gotta be in hella shape." MMA fighters fight at most 3-5 rounds, Boxers fight for at most 12 and they don't just "train for one thing." They train their footwork, their coordination, their speed and accuracy, evasiveness, stamina, etc. I'm a fan of both, but I've noticed that a lot of MMA (namely UFC) fans act like UFC fighters are the grandmasters of all Martial Arts when in truth a lot of them stem from BJJ or Wrestling backrounds and would get smashed on their feet against any Boxer, but as would a Boxer get submitted by just about any BJJ guy or Wrestler, but a Boxer with good takedown defense would be a hard opponent to beat. What a lot of you people don't understand is that the sport of Boxing is limited yes, but the fighting style, the Martial Art of Boxing is not. No Boxer would just allow himself to be taken down easily just because it's "outside of their style." However what matters isn't the style, but rather the fighters.
+brian sheehan He only says that because he's been in boxing his entire life, and hasn't done any BJJ, so he has no clue what he's doing and his movements are highly inefficient, so he gets tired faster.
+brian sheehan Wrestling and the ground game takes a ton out of you. In boxing it is a strategy to tie up the opponent and make him carry your weight until the ref breaks you up. Imagine how much more you can sap your opponents energy when you are actually wrestling them and putting your weight on them with no break. I believe that is what Ray is speaking of. The training in wrestling, take down defense, and jiu jitsu is extremely taxing on your endurance, especially for someone that doesn't have the core strength developed yet. I thought Ray Mercer explained everything extremely well and I appreciate his view on it as a former boxing champion.
Believe me. A boxer with no takedown experience can get taken down extremely easily. I suggest you step into a local decent high school wrestling teams room. You can be humbled very quickly. I wrestled and did some boxing training before. Using your whole body takes more energy then just throwing punches. It can truly be exhausting. Especially if your on bottom with someone on top of you. It really can wear you down
+brian sheehan ahhh the only "MMA only has 5 rounds" card. This has been refuted over and over. I'll make this comment short... A boxing match is 36 minutes of striking with 11 minutes of rest, an MMA title fight is 25 minutes of fighting with 4 minutes of rest.
+brian sheehan I agree with you but I think most people that say boxing is a limited sport are referring to the sport. Muay Thai is boxing and it includes elbows, kicks, knees, etc.
why does it always gotta be boxing OR mma. Cant it be boxing AND mma ? I do think boxing is worse for your health though. You won't break a leg like in mma, but you'll lose your ability to speak properly. All those punches to the head are fucking cat's up.
Kendy Louwaars well it depends, you can do cardio boxing which is same thing as actual boxing but you're not going to spar or have any fights. it is just to keep your body fit.
It really depends on the kind of boxing skills you have, take Mayweather for example. He received little to no abuse during his career, he is about to retire and he's as good as new. Is not boxing itself but the boxers.
a boxer will lose in mma and an mma fighter will lose in boxing 99% of the time. thats just how it is. they're both combat but they aren't the same thing really. floyd would get owned in mma but i dont see GSP winning any boxing matches either(both vs good opponents of course)
meke delabonte That's because a boxer focuses only on punches and an mma fighter covers all aspects of combat. Since the boxer only focuses on punching, he gets very good at just punching. Its like people who "lift", but only with machines. They get strong in that fixed motion but it doesn't help them like free weights would.
Good advice Lea Lea! I noted the same thing. Refreshing to know someone else did as well. Black men stick to what you're naturally designed for: boxing, footwork and speed - its a killer
Vividua Elsaphe That's a really simplistic worldview because MMA gets talent not just from MMA gyms but also champions in other sports. You think Rousey is not a master in judo? Fedor isn't a master in Sambo? Cormier isn't a master at wrestling? Werdum and BJ Penn aren't masters at jiujitsu?
Randy admitted himself..he didn't want to mix it up with Toney Kimbo lied and didn't want to go toe to toe with Mercer Tim Sylvia who's seen as a striker in MMA was knocked out with one punch by an old boxer. Theres no point arguing about this, if you want to watch superior striking watch boxing, if you want to watch a couple of tarts roll around on the floor for 30 mins cos they're terrible strikers and can't compete with a legit boxer...then watch MMA...just ask Randy, he'll tell you himself.
If I had to pick a boxer against an mma guy, would pick a knockout artist because he may only get one chance to make a statement. I would not pick a technical boxer because he won't be facing a boxer. I love both sports but yet I lean towards tactical combat. In regards to May weather , I think he would do terrible in mma, because his sideways stance would make it too easy for the mma guy to take him to the ground. Also he won't win on points in the sport of mma. I would use a boxer who can knock you out immediately with either hand. Just to let yous know . All through out history catch can wrestlers have always defeated boxers. Even the Great Muhammed Ali lost to a Catch Can Wrestler. Read the book Say Uncle. It has many it talks about many matches that took place where a boxer lost to a Catch Can Wrestler.
***** Trying to fool? no one, yes i have seen Toney's debut and that's how i know Randy took him down without throwing a single punch that also proves he didn't want to stand toe to toe with a legit boxer...like i just said, Randy said himself you must be mad if you think i'm going to duke it out with Toney, but thanks for clarifying my point.
***** They'll still lose if they go toe to toe, even with amateur mma guys? is that why an old Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia with his very first punch?lol Anyway MMA is far from a real fight, no biting, no eye gouging, all this rolling around on the floor would have your head kicked in within seconds in a real fight, the last thing you want in a real fight is laying on your back looking for an arm bar, MMA have changed over the years anyway to make it nothing like a real fight, like when Gerrard Gordeu kicking and stomping Teila Tuli and Kevin Rosier when they were down which you are now not allowed to do, that's more of the brutal reality of a real fight which they totally cut out, and also brought in rounds like boxing and make them stand up if there's a lack of action because people have paid to see a good fight, not 2 guys lay on top of each other for 30 mins and hoping for a easy pay day, don't get me wrong i used to love UFC, loved watching it up to part 6 with Tank Abbott and stuff but when they started changing rules its nothing like a real fight now...wonder how handy a Gracie arm bar will come in this situation when you're getting your face stomped on?lol ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ddzeuA0KTmk.html
***** Mate you trying to say Sylvia was washed up when he was UFC CHAMPION not long before this fight? when Mercer..who's been washed up for years, who is fatter, 15 years OLDER and 7 inches shorter than Tim Sylvia..who still knocked him out with one punch in 9 seconds as some sort of excuse for why the MMA fighter lost?lol I still stand by my original statement, boxers are superior strikers and MMA fighters don't want to fight toe to toe with them...like i said just ask old UFC champion Randy himself, or Sylvia for that matter now lol and any clown that says boxing is dead and is being taking over by these UFC, 9 second lasting glass jaw jokers need their head examined.
***** What you mean back in the day when MMA was 1 skill set? Sylvia fought Mercer when it was UFC 115! how on earth is that early? it was UFC 60 when Matt hughes beat Royce showing you needed more than just Gracie jiu jitsu so im sure they knew they needed more than 1 skill set nearly 60 UFCs later, excelled in the dark days and couldn't compete with today's? Tim beat Andrei Arlovski! Well it wasn't a joke to boxing was it? he knocked out a guy, who knocked out Arlovski...with the very first punch thrown...that's 100% lol can't get any better than that, by a washed up grandad boxer..the only joke here is the former UFC champion who was knocked out in 9 seconds by a guy who doesn't even know what hes doing in the octagon lol Would Mayweather out strike Jose Aldo? how do i know till it happens lol could he out box Mayweather? of course not, could he out kick Mayweather with kicks to his shins? probably yes cos he wouldn't want to box Floyd and considering Mayweather doesn't do kicks to the shins. But then again if i wanted to a watch a shin kicking contest i can go to an infants playground to see such boring girly activity or even better watch Anderson Silva's last fight.
Idk who is still watching this video in 2022 but I’m glad that I tend to meet people that are fans of both sports and understand that they are both in fact different and awesome in their own ways. Yeah, I mean I’m sure there are still people that hate one and love the other but generally I see people that follow athletes of both sports and like both. That’s how it should be, because they are both incredible sports.
Boxers always talk about the ground game like mma is just punching and grappling... I don’t think most boxers can handle various types of head kicks thrown at em, or a spinning back fist. Or even leg kicks from a guy who’s an expert in that for that matter.
Goat Boat I'm pretty sure head kicks and spinning back fists aren't much of a problem or not a huge thing to adapt to, their hands are already in that area. Leg kicks are basically on the same level as the ground game, they're going to need a lot of training to adapt, a lot less than they would need for kicks to areas that would already be protected.
Dumb argument, all MMA fans say is "Well in a street fight" who cares about a street fight its about getting payed bruh, im an amateur boxer and I can say MMA is great, If I got into an octagon with an experienced MMA fighter id get tapped out easy, but if a MMA fighter got into a ring with a boxer the boxer wins there 2 different sports so just respect both off them, you don't see baseball fans and cricket fans crying do you? No cause there 2 different sports just like Boxing and MMA.
You're stating the obvious. We all know an mma fighter wouldn't do as well in boxing and vise-versa. What makes MMA the better sport is that its more realistic. If an MMA guy got in a real, untelevised fight with a boxer the guy who trains multiple aspects of combat will win.
water bottle macoroni but a street fight does not pay your bills so who cares about a street fight? only people who ever talk about streetfighting are the guys who are the ones behind the screen never involved in them
Its really as simple as i put it before. If you train mma, your learning and practicing all kinds of punches, kicks, takedowns, grapples and submissive holds. Its alot more versatile and basically, the mma fighter would have a bigger arsenal that the boxer.
We just recently had MMA legalized in CT. But the catch is the medical insurance you have to have. The insurance you have to have to host a fight is so high that only the casinos Mohegan sun and foxwoods can afford to host MMA fights.
Good thing about MMA is show casing the unknown fighting style. They let world know that Boxing is just one aspect of fighting. Ju Jitsu, Kung Fu, Taekwando, and other world fighting techniques are shown in here. So this let us know who is the most effecting fighting style unlike those blinded boxing people. But hey in reality Boxing is not enough to defend yourself
JC Rafael Where are all these fighting styles you speak of? All I see in MMA is the same few submissions (triangle, arm bar, alligator, rear choke, head and arm, etc.), shin kicks, inner thigh kicks, chops, muay thai clinches, elbows, hammer fists, ground mounts, high knees, and bad punching. That seems like quite a few things, but considering you are speaking of all these variant forms it is really nothing.
JC Rafael Why do I have to research MMA from the beginning when I was watching it from the beginning? I watched Pride FC and UFC from their debut. Their rules have become more stringent - weight classes enforced, etc. You never responded to my point but rather deferred by telling me to partake in research. And your last sentence makes no sense. Not trying to be rude, but if you are going to respond, please try to respond to my point.
Then you should saw what happen. If you really watch the begining of MMA you saw how boxing was ineffective to Ju Jitsu. If your a TRUE MMA fan you should know how to respect other fighting style. Roy defeated a Kung fu style in an underground match why you dont know that? Because Ju Jitsu is the most effective fighting style today, it is the most used fighting style.
I notice a trend of Professional Boxers moving to MMA and doing extraordinarily well. Say what you will about the art of boxing, but it produces some of the most fierce warriors who use their bodies as their weapons.
I AM A Boxer and I love MMA! I won the Golden Gloves Championship this year in 2015 and plan on being a World Champion. I then plan on converting to MMA to become the Ultimate Fighter! My name is Douglas A. Chavers III. I'M HERE!!!
Ray Mercer is a JOKA !! He got in the K1 ring with Remy Bonjasky the bell rung and he took one round house kick too the ear lobe / neck and walked straight back out, direct to his changing room, then flew home ONE TIME Funniest thing i ever see !! They right tho - NO MMA fighter can even think about taking a boxers punch.
That generalization is retarded... there are tons of subhuman dudes that are in mma that can take a abnormal amount of punishment. I tell you what though, if a boxer is talking smack about the ground game, they've never rolled around with some beast before. I have mad respect for wrestling even though I dislike it in fights, one of the hardest sports you'll ever do that's a fact.
Mister Scrotus Boxer has no chance on the ground game because guess what, boxer don't have a ground game !! Ditto boxer can't deal with most kicks becasue - they don't train kicks. MMA guys can't deal with a Boxer punch, this isn't about "taking punishment" fool, because a boxer is a trained knock out machine killing machine. While an MMA fighter learns so many different skills, the Boxer hones his strike's, over and over and over again. Think about it, i don't care who are you don't want to pro-boxer connecting while standing there chatting shit about tuffness and MMA conditioning. Fact is MMA fighters aren't fools, if they fight someone with a boxing back ground they don't get into a slugging match, they do everything they can to avoid that shit.
sugarsaint Mma fighters train to condition themselves to absorb and take punishment and keep going and they can deal with a boxer's punch...unless they got glass chins. and um...taking hits counts as taking punishment.....and among the hits they take are kicks which are much more powerful than a punch and most of the time the kick's striking surface is the hard and conditioned rock hard shin bone among other striking surfaces and there's plenty mma fighters who can take many hits and deal with lots of punishment keep fighting and if they can take kicks, knees and elbows in addition to punches they can definitely take a boxer's punch. and a boxer is a trained knock out machine but so is a MMA fighter and also in addition that, a MMA fighter can also potentially break or dislocate a limb or joint, choke you out(hold a choke longer after unconciousness can lead to death) and can throw you like a rag dog, slam you, take you down etc. MMA fighters have so many ways to seriously wreck someone and possibly kill someone. and a boxer does hone his punching skills but MMA fighters hone their punching, kicking, elbowing, kneeing, takedown, throwing, slamming, and ground fighting skills. and there are MMA fighters are very good boxers and very good strikers in general that could stand with a boxer. I'm not saying necessarily straight hands. I mean pure striking as in using kicks, knees and elbows in addition to punches. and mma striking is steadily evolving and improving and has definitely since the older days of mma. and there are mma fighters who are former amateur boxers and former pro boxers and some who are have backgrounds in other things too.
every art > boxing, who stands and waits to get punched? lol or hug after a few short burst and boxers wanna come to mma? lol cant beat one art form then how you gonna beat many
MrWinning43 Wow, he can beat a highly intoxicated man! Impressive! I must learn his techniques if the allow me to beat a man whose reaction time, thought processes, and hand-eye coordination have all been severely debilitated! It just doesn't seem like such a thing could be possible! Amazing!
Wow, an amateur boxer beat a professional mma fighter who was still training at the time, was sober, ten years younger than Sonny and sucker punched sonny! Pretty decent for an amateur boxer against a professional mma fighter, Judo blackbelt and D1 wrestler! Amazing!
I don't understand why you can't like both sports. They're different and both great to watch. Its not like I'm a Red Sox fan or a Yankees fan because they are rivals in the same sport. Its completely different.
Boxing is the best martial art. Kicking compromises balance and grappling requires you to roll around on asphalt. Boxing can inflict the most damage while keeping 2 feet on the ground.
James Toney was beat up pretty bad by Randy Coture right? Right. Boxing is an awesome sport yes, but MMA is much closer to a real fight than boxing is.
Raymond Racela I can count on one hand how many times I've seen a ground take down, or BJJ in a real fight. In almost every fight all people do is swing punches at each others faces. Two average joe's fighting each other I guarantee they will just start throwing punches.
Lucas King I’m doing mma and muay thai/boxing as a semi pro fighter. I’m an striker and 2x european muay thai champ but so many times I used my grappling skills in street fight but I prefer stand up fight over ground fight
Most people that talk about boxing vs mma are idiots and probably have never laced up gloves. Fighters are Fighters period...... the funny thing is that you will never see a WWE wresteler go into boxing, become world champion with only two fights and beat a legend of boxing.
What's your point? That because Lesnar had a combination of fantastic wrestling and freak athleticism the ufc isn't legit? You can't sit there and say Lesnar isn't legit, Couture is an Olympian. Also It takes away from your argument if your claiming Lesnar wasn't legit and in turn neither was Couture as we all know what he did to Toney.
my favourite thing is theyre talking punching power boxing gloves vs mma mits... bas rutten is the guy who set the record straight back in 2004 i believe about the differences between the two. where a tv show set up training dummies for him to hit bare knuckle, then with 4oz, then wearing 16oz boxing gloves. the difference was HUGE. like 600ft/lb with gloves and like 950ft/lb with 4oz and only a small difference bare knuckle of like 1000ft/lb
You can take an athlete/champion boxer like Wladimir Klitschko; teach him ju jitsu, wrestling, kicking, takedown defense, etc. and turn him into a championship caliber MMA fighter. BUT you could never turn A Cain Velasquez into a championship caliber boxer under no circumstance. That's the difference, boxing champions are born.
Sure he could. Anyone with good training and technique can be. Werdum is a world bjj champ and he's 6'4". Struve is 7 feet and he's good on the ground if you can even get them there. That's the strength of martial arts, anyone can do it.
John Constantin what are you brain dead someone like Aldo Frankie conor mendas germy Stephens halloway burmudaz and 90 persont of people at feather weight wouldnt have to take flyod so stfu im right
man the arguement is stupid, todays boxers are sloppier than mma fighters with their standup, shawn porter vs devon alexander was the worst dispay of boxing i ever seen, holding and sloppy ass punches yet theyre champs! pac man is even a wild puncher, there is a short number of fighters who really have hands these days! i boxed and studied mma, i watched paulie vs judah, these dudes hardly touched eachother, boxing is not as good as mma in a street fight, when you get grabbed in boxing, you stay that way until the ref breaks you, in real life youll get slammed, in mma if you get grabbed you get slammed! in boxing if you get knocked dwn, you have a 10 count, in real life if you get knocked dwn ur gonna get pounded on the ground, in mma if u get knockd dwn you get pounded on the ground, in boxing if someone has better hands than u the fight is basically over, in real life if someone has better hands theyll try to grab and take u down, in mma if someone has better hands you can grab and take them down!! its not rocket science to see that mma is much better for a street fight, boxing is only one aspect of fighting, what happens when in a street fight the boxer cant ko his enemy, and the guy grabs and takes him out his element!! mma is the art of mastering not just ya hands but its the art of mastering ur entire body!! maybe in thr early days of the ufc it was just barbaric! mma fighters have crisp standup now and alot more skill to go along with it, a good striker mma fighter with ground game will take out a skilled boxer anyday, why? because the mma fighter has more tools and weapons! plz stop having this arguement cus its so stupid, common sense will tell anyone a man who can use his hands, elbows, feet and grappling is way more equipped for a street fight than a guy who just uses his hands..
"If someone just takes me down, I'll just throw an uppercut." I'll bet all the wrestling based MMA guys are shaking in their trunks now. Welp, turns out all those years of Wrestling went down the drain you guys, beware those uppercuts.
MMA/UFC is dumb down "salvage" combat sport where fighters use their feet compared to the intelligence of the "Sweet Science" of the Art of Boxing. NO FUCKING COMPARISON!
+Jonathan Lechan Just FYI you're wrong. Real fighting has no rules whatsoever, potentially no time to prepare, a random location, and there's genuine emotions involved, plus raw motivation to beat the other person up, maybe potentially a life or death situation and other people could join in as well. MMA still has rules even if it is significantly less restrictive than boxing so it's not really "real", hence it's referred to as a sport.
Yes well done, have a cookie. The thing is that boxing is one of the most practical if not the most practical striking style. And the most skilled boxers are seen in boxing and that's why from lots of people's perspective boxing is better. Just like a wrestling fan might prefer to watch pure greco roman wrestling than UFC. Mixing everything up/ having less restrictions brings drawbacks such as each skillset the fighter has is a lower level of skill generally. Constantly saying UFC is better because its more real is the obvious thing to say and it's getting really old now. Some people don't want to see real fighting, they want to see high quality techniques and strategies. Grappling someone in MMA that likes to punch isn't exactly rocket science, but boxing strategies go very in depth. At the end of the day most MMA fans I speak to know nothing about fighting and just want the cheap and easy thrill of seeing someone getting their face smashed in (which shouldn't even be something to enjoy looking at and it can't be compared to watching the beauty of a one punch KO). What most of them tend to say about MMA shows they know very little. Many will disagree but the smaller minority of people that know about fighting will agree.
Autonomous Male the most skilled boxers might be seen in boxing but the most skilled fighters are seen in MMA. Just cause punching is the most practical form of striking doesn't mean it's the best or the most effective. You really think mixing skills up means lowering other skills? First of all that's not true in the least, especially since prettty much all MMA fighters are already experts in one style even before training in MMA, and even if it was true, that lower skill in one area is better than someone else's non-existent skill in the same area. Grappling someone who wants to punch isn't rocket science? That sounds like a pretty good strategy to me in doing something that's better than your opponent, and grappling just an FYI requires a lot of skill and strategy. People also don't want to see running around a ring for 1 rounds. You obviously haven't talked to many MMA fans or at least real MMA fans. At least if they get hit constantly the fight is stopped thereby reducing the chance of long term damage. Most people who understand fighting know that allowing someone to take a 10 count and get punched some more is worse. What's so beautiful about that? Obviously you've been talking to the wrong people.
Yep, amateur wrestling is a family tradition with me, I love it. However I have to admit an MMA fighter most of the time will beat a wrestler. It is to bad boxers can't accept the same thing.
+Eye Washere everyone one have chances, if i take on an elite MMA figthter, or boxer, or any other type of combat sport specialist, i still have chances to take him out. And thats what happen in 3:50. A boxer can beat an MMA fighter, same as an MMA can easily beat a boxer, like what happen to tony in MMA. But an MMA fighter have more tools comparing to a Boxer, which give him more chances of winning in a fight.
I would like to see a boxer in his prime be tested in this Octagon. It would have to be a certain type of boxer. Not a guy like Mayweather, who is the type of boxer that outsmarts his opponent and therefore only excels against other boxers. More a type like Mike Tyson or Sergey Kovalev. Because it's nice when you are a master in takedowns, but when a boxer like Tyson or Kovalev, with great power and superb delivery would land just one punch, the fight would already be over. A boxer can knock out any non-boxer with just one punch. Especially when he would wear MMA gloves. It's not even fair. Mike Tyson in his prime would knock out Jon Jones within 10 seconds in the Octagon. Fists are so much faster than kicks. Nobody can take down another man as fast as Mike Tyson could hit another guy in the face. Boxing is the fundament of all fighting. Because fists are the fastest human weapons available. No wonder boxers also have the best reflexes of all athletes.
I think even a pure boxer would do well in MMA (as long as he ups his grappling game), it doesnt take a lot to knock somebody out. the fundamentals of boxing would help, because a lot of MMA fighters don't know striking fundamentals, like defense controlling distance turning an opponent, timing etc. Actually if a boxer simply relies on his punch, he gonna be taking a chance gettin in the octogon. thats what happend with james toney when he fought couture, toney thought he could ko him, was lookin for that punch. couture shot at him so low that toney couldnt even throw a punch. and toney wasn't athletic enough to scramble out the way, went down and it was over.
+Andrew Slatter MMA is actually real fighting .. Boxing is just one aspect of MMA. Boxing is on dimentional fighting system. boxers are really easy to beat. i can't believe you have kids.
I have a lot of respect for boxing. As a matter of fact I enjoy watching it a lot more than modern day "MMA". None the less James Toney looked like a fish out of water against Randy Couture. Low single takedown to a malling. Ending with a side arm choke. If it were a boxing match yeah James would have best Couture silly. Different ball game.
Zain Hussain LMAO So it takes way more skill to throw a Left hook than submit someone with a Heel Hook or is harder to takedown a strong fighter and keep him down ??? Get the fuck out of here!!!
Boxing is a way more complicated and dangerous sport. This is a fact. Boxing takes more time to learn. I spar with MMA fighters who will tell you its extremely hard to learn the cuts, angles, and moves of boxing. Same for the boxers who spar with them and make fun of them, I tell them 'MMA and boxing are 2 different sports, We are all fighters, respect each other.' The facts are... Its harder to transfer to boxing, boxing is more dangerous, and takes more time to learn.
L's Down No way is Boxing more complicated than MMA...Perhaps more dangerous long term but no way is Boxing more complicated. Boxing is mastering 1 fighting style, MMA is mastering 4 or more fighting styles including Boxing.
One thing that turns me off from mma is the bro culture . I picture a bunch of white frat boys going "Lets friggin train ufc bro, friggin awsome " and the other one going "fuck yea bro ! just bleed !" lmao. Like both sports though, mma for the more realistic fighting and ground game . And boxing because of the strategies and science behind it and the elite level striking. There are very few elite strikers in mma with actual credentials while there are alot of elite grapplers.
Let the foolish mma fans have their fun. We all know where the highest caliber fighters are. Making the real money with guys like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. MMA fighters don't have what it takes to be where they are. They haven't accomplished a fraction of what these legends have. The sport is not as demanding. The talent pool is not as deep. Anderson Silva is 33-6. Fedor is 35-4. Guillermo Rigondeaux (2 time Olympic gold medalist in boxing) has 475 amateur fights with 12 losses. In the pros he is 16-0 with 10 knockouts. Floyd mayweather is 49-0 , 23 of which were TITLE FIGHTS. Honestly tho, Fedor does stand out. He beat a lot of great fighters.. but the average boxer is light years better than the average mma fighter. That is not even up for debate.
I would pay to see a prime Tyson or Joe Frazier massacre these so called talented ufc fighters. stamina endurance and power go a long way.... Just imagine Tyson with ufc gloves instead of boxing...
+Aleksa bajic "UFC fighters cant stand 3 rounds imagine them 12 rounds they would die from breath lost." Yeah those are 5 minute rounds, almost twice as long and if there is grappling involved that takes way more out of your gas tank than striking does.
Steven Larsson Wasn't always that way. Only thing that changed was because people didn't want to see the hugely drawn out matches, the 5 min rounds isn't a capability thing- its an exhibition device designed to force fighters to put stronger effort rather than the near total conservation that for non technical fans made the fights boring. Personally I with they kept the 10 min first round and then did 5 min rounds unlimited after that. Can't recall if it was Pride or K1 or pancreas that did which of what.
Ray Mercer said something important. In order to be the best fighter possible he has to experience the closest simulation to street fighting, which is MMA.
